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>>21760862
Imagine reading someone with such physiognomy.

>>21760862
Should I read Decline of the West? I got it years ago but since then it’s only been sitting in my shelf. I’ve been thinking of maybe reading it because my German has seriously suffered over these past few years due to me pretty much exclusively reading books written in English.

>>21761114
he has foreseen the doom

>>21761114
What the physiognomic model of history does to a mf

>>21761218
its fine to read it in english, john david ebert read it in english. DoTW doesnt have the same obscurity and apodictic tone found in heidegger and kant so it should be perfectly easy for you to read even in german

Which High Culture will replace the death of the occidental superorganism -- does it even exist yet?

Autistically categorizing all of world history is peak winter

Name a single conclusion he makes.

>>21760862
Is this the guy that played Hank in breaking bad?

>>21761722
The West is the only High culture that properly exists at the moment, aiding its success, the next most viable is the Russian which Spengler predicts will be able to flourish after the West is gone, personally, I'd place my bets on Latin America being home to a new High culture though since every part of the world has had its day but the Americas were wiped clean of their local cultures allowing it to potentially have a fresh start in the South, somewhere like the Amazon.

>>21761829
that Germanic stare

>>21761869
how could Latin America possibly have a high culture that's not just an imitation of European? Just looked at realistically.

>>21761869
Those people are not going to create 'high culture'

>>21761869
What kind of timeline does this happen on? I can't really see how any new high culture could arise this century, given that the entire world is about to go through population bottleneck.
>inb4 Africa still breeding
Their population growth is entirely dependent on trade and foreign aid.

>>21761877
>>21761905
>Didn't read the book
>>21762046
Absolutely not this century, the next two hundred years is our Caesarist stage, there was a roughly 500-year gap between the end of Apollinian Civilisation and the beginning of Faustian Culture, so we'd be looking at a high culture liberating itself from the West at minimum around 2400 according to Spengler's model, and we'd be waiting until the 4th Millennium before a brand new high culture forms independently, wherever that may be.

>>21761869
Yes. The 4th Reich will rise in Argentina + Uruguai + Chile + South Brazil

>>21761114
he looks like a powerlifter evil genius
>>21762259
that'd still be Western retard

>>21762209
Why does he predict it will rise in Russia then? What's to stop new civilisations growing in other places on the ashes of the fallen Western hegemony? Like a repeat of Hellenism, but stretching even further across the world due to greater interconnection between countries.

>>21760862
Reading Spengler, Durkheim, and Freud made me realize that the people that come up with crazy ideas and theories are no great geniuses. They are normal people that think they perceive some sort of pattern to the way we live or behave.

That's not to detract from the originality of their work or the flashes of brilliance present in them when they do indeed touch on what might seem like a grave historical or sociological or psychological truth. But read The Decline of the West or The Division of Labor in Society or Freud's interpretations of dreams and tell me great swathes of what they say haven't been revealed to be complete bullshit (or put more politely, merely a framework or perspective rather than an historical/sociological/psychological truth) by subsequent events or knowledge.

>>21762386
Duginism

>>21762517
Spengler died before Dugin was born. How could he be influenced by Duginism? Unless you're talking about proto-Duginism withing Eurasianist theory.

>>21762352
>that'd still be Western retard
South America isn't really occident nor orient... Although, the "4th reich" is.

>>21762386
Not just him. Tocqueville, Nietzsche, Steiner, Cioran too had this world-historical prospect of Russia.

>>21760862
>his conclusions are off
How come? Caesarism is coming.

>>21760862
Crowley if he never had sex

>>21762386
Spengler posits that there are these things, culture-civilizations (the first half of it's life is "culture", the second "civilization"). They're higher-dimensional brain funguses. If you have one in your head, you perceive spacetime a certain way. These things manifest in reality and then go through a life-process. That life process is a steady flourishing that leads into ossification. After ossification, people with the culture-civilization in their head can only ever see new ideas, material, media, content, etc in terms of old ones. It's not a cycle, they don't eat each other, they aren't born from each other, and they don't make more of themselves; they just pop out of the ether. So

>Why Russia?
Because one popped up there.

>Why can't new ones come about after the West falls?
Because the planet will be a lifeless hellscape. Spengler predicted that Faustian Man (that's us) will swallow the planet and then cleanse it of all life with nuclear hellfire.

>Like a repeat of Hellenism
That's not how it works. Culture-Civilizations have no relationship to each other. Faustian Man isn't a child of Apollonian Man (the Greco-Roman culture-civilization), they have no relation. SOME White People used to be Apollonian, and SOME White People are now Faustian. SOME White People are also felaheen (Spengler's term to refer to people without a culture-civilization in their head). The Greeks were Faustian, then Magian (Jews and Arabs), then Faustian, now they're felaheen, for example. The culture-civilization has NOTHING to do with the Greeks, there are NO racial, religious, or cultural boundaries to culture-civilizations. A Bantu from the Congo can have Chinese Man in his head just fine (although culture-civilizations DUE have a say in how quickly outsiders are let in).

Also, Spengler posited that there was a "dead period" of a few centuries in between Magian Man murdering Apollonian Man (Christianity was this) and the birth of Faustian Man, so he'd actually totally reject your idea of Hellenism.

>>21760862
>intellectual dark web
how old are you, out of curiosity

>>21763309
Now having said that, if you want to disagree with him, go ahead. A common starting point is just to notice that his understanding of Communism was dead wrong. He thought that it would shrek Russia Man and Chinese Man, turns out that it didn't (Because it's a lesser version of Capitalism, which is the PEAK of Faustian Man's intellectual endeavors). Other interesting ideas are "what if a culture-civilization comes back", which is novel for Sumerian Man, Egyptian Man, and Mesoamerican Man. Toynbee took the idea further and posited a whole bunch of other culture-civilizations that were strangled in the cradle, like Incan Man, Norse Man, and Polynesian Man.

There's a lot of little peripheral peoples, like the Balts, the Mayans, the Pashtun, etc, who could suddenly find themselves rocketing to stardom as other powers recede around them. What if Spengler was wrong, and they get their time in the sun?

>>21761869
> I'd place my bets on Latin America being home to a new High culture though since every part of the world has had its day but the Americas were wiped clean of their local cultures allowing it to potentially have a fresh start in the South, somewhere like the Amazon.
funny thing about human settlement in the Amazon:
1. Indigenous peoples. They are children and can't fend for themselves. Their culture has been destroyed and they're completely irrelevant.
2. The non-indigenous element in the Amazon fucking hates the forest. They despise the climate, the fauna, the flora. They want to destroy and exploit the most they possibly can before the opportunity window vanishes and governments are forced to crack down on the environment. Brazilian settlers in the Amazon come from the south of the country and they haven't created a new culture centered on the forest like American cowboys did with the western frontier. They are just southerners who happen to be in a deeply forested area, which they try to make resemble the south as much as they can. Having a lot a cattle and a big SUV is what they all want. These are the most ignorant and hardheaded people I've had the displeasure to meet, and I'm from the south.
In any case, there's nothing good coming from Latin America. We're just the worst result of colonialism. We struggle when others prosper and we struggle even more when others decay.
South and Southeast Asia is where the future is at. Thailand, Malaysia and Indonesia will jump waaay ahead Latrine America in a matter of years. Not to mention Indians, once they figure out how to poo in the loo.

>>21763309
>Faustian Man (that's us) will swallow the planet and then cleanse it of all life with nuclear hellfire.
How is the Russian brain fungus supposed to develop then, given that they're the people we would most likely have a nuclear war with? They would be in worse shape than anyone else.
>SOME White People are also felaheen (Spengler's term to refer to people without a culture-civilization in their head).
Suppose you can't relate to any culture or religion. How do you know if you are felaheen or just schizo? Is there a way you can get a culture-civilisation into your head, and would it be advantageous to do so?
>Magian Man murdering Apollonian Man (Christianity was this) and the birth of Faustian Man
How is Faustian Christianity different from Magian Christianity then? There are plenty of people today who still look back to the Apostolic age as their ideal.
>>21763320
>his understanding of Communism was dead wrong. He thought that it would shrek Russia Man and Chinese Man
What do you mean by shrek?

>>21762420
That's because they owe their debt of style of thinking to Goethe, who is the grand genius

>>21761114
I didn’t realize Klaus Schwab was this old.

>>21761419
https://youtu.be/ZlieqVxG6ps