/lit/ - Literature

>>21756451
> She ate the fuck out of every other male author -or female- of the past century.
I am Brazilian and no, she did not. Stop exaggerating like a delusional contrarian.

>>21756451
Why are you posting this Ukrainian jew?

>>21756462


O TEU CELIBATO É TÃO PERPÉTUO QUÃO ETERNO O REINO DE DEUS.

>>21756451
Based.
>>21756460
Teu rabo.

>>21756551
When did you learn portuguese and why?

>>21756451
People don’t like her?

>>21756451
I read Hour of the Star years ago and it filtered me more than anything I ever read. It was around the time when she was being heavily hyped in the Anglophone world after Benjamin Moser's new translations came out. Should give her another try now, still have that copy of Hour of the Star lying around somewhere and it's short enough.

>>21757126
If you liked Hour of the Star you will love Água Viva

>>21756451
isn't she a brazilian thot? i don't know if i like her because i don't read women

>>21756451
This chick is pretty hot, I'll accept her as a good writer based on my desire to bang her.

>>21756451
So she is like the Favela Beckett right?

>>21756451
She is my waifu

>>21757126
That Moser guy is a butcher. At one point he went so far as to suggest her father was actually a Nazi soldier that raped Lispector's mother because wouldn't be SO classically Jewish? He is fucking hack.

>>21758135
>>21758160
this one
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this one

>>21756451
I mean Guimarães and Machado are better than her but not by much and the three of them are leagues ahead of almost everyone in this godforsaken country.

>>21757082
She has the same problem as say, Frida Kahlo or Sylvia Plath in that every bpd art ho in Brazil holds her in insanely high regards because "she just ike me fr fr", which drives people away, but the work itself is fantastic.

>>21756451
Mid

>>21759370
A cutie from Porto Alegre recommenced me Erico Verissimo. Is he any good? It appears he’s not translated to English yet anyway.

>>21759395
Only read Incidente em Antares by him, not sure if translated but it's both a very funny and informative in it's portrayal of the southern colonization and it's politics.
It's kind of a weird comparison, I know, but it's almost like a giallo mix of Borges gaucho stories and 100 Years of Solitude. It's a book very much from the guts, very gritty and earthly, but also funny and fantastical.
If you want a similar author whose works can be more easily accessed in english, try Amado.
Also beware of southern girls (or people in general), they're untolerable assholes with the worst of both brazilians and argentinians in them.
I think the fact that she recommends Verissimo is very telling actually, it's like a southern guy recommending Faulkner. Yeah both were talented as fuck but they're both also painting your people as absolute barbarians, you shouldn't be showing this to other people.

>>21759416
its politics*

>>21759416
sounds super boring thanks i'm gonna take a hard pass on that

>>21759416
> but it's almost like a giallo mix of Borges gaucho stories and 100 Years of Solitude. It's a book very much from the guts, very gritty and earthly, but also funny and fantastical.
sounds kino. I will check it out, thanks.

>>21756451
What’s up with people these days and exaggerating so much? You can’t just say you like an author anymore, it’s gotta be
>don’t like that author, haha you don’t like literature then!
and
>she “ate the fuck” out of her male contemporaries!!
Brother this isn’t a competition, we’re all human at the end of the day, and a lot of people on this particular site are trying to turn their lives around. So don’t be a prick

>>21756460
Doesn’t look like she eats at all desu

>>21756451
I am Brazilian, have read her in the original, and her writing is sentimental trash, while the form is mostly immitative of Molly's monologue.

>>21757082
In Brazil she's a Sylvia Plath type of figure. Every teenage girl loves her. She's even more sentimental and ridiculous, however.

>>21759370
You like what the critics tell you to like. You have no personal judgement.
There's little that's similar between those three authors other than their fame, and Guimaraes Rosa for one greatly disliked Machado.

>>21759699
>while the form is mostly immitative of Molly's monologue
you clearly read this somewhere else because calling someone sentimental trash while speaking about Ulysses and specifcally Molly's part is a bit absurd.
She's also stylistically much closer to Woolf than Joyce (though the three are obviously similar).
>>21759704
I never said they were similar just that the three are my favourite brazilian writers. I don't really read literary criticism and certainly not brazilian literary criticism.
If anything, the fact that you must bring up Rosa's opinion of Machado as if it should have any bearing on my opinion of any of the three authors shows me you're far more worried with criticism than me.
My enjoyment of Thomas Pynchon doesn't mean anything about my enjoyment of Jorge Amado and neither of those things says anything about my enjoyment of Carlyle.

>>21759718
Molly's monologue is sentimental trash too, and so is Woolf.
Also, Guimarães Rosa's opinion had a reason. He rightly saw Machado was doing something very different from him. The fact that you like both means you have a weak aesthetic personality, similar to second-rate critics like Carpeaux and Bloom, so it's no wonder you can so strongly enjoy the pseudo-philosophical sentimental ramblings of a middle-aged apartment owner.

>>21759742
>The fact that you like both means you have a weak aesthetic personality
How the fuck do you even come to this conclusion, you can only think like that if you only consume art from a very specific period and location.
This is one of the most absurdly baffling opinions I have ever heard, even if you went to the most radical early 20th century vanguardist and pressed him enough he would have to admit some type of forefather or influence that at least on some level went against the main thesis of their work (and I can mention examples if you want me to).
I urge you to please point me to some sort of critic who only endorses a specific type of work (what the fuck is even an aesthethic personality anyway, are you the fucking Terminator, dissecating every single work you come across to find the signifiers you find worthy?
Honestly how the fuck do you even deal with literature - or any type of art - when you have to consider that the mere FUNCTION of the arts seem to change every 50 or so years, not to mention sensibilities?
I hope the first semester of letras treats you well because there is no way you have ever came in contact with any single proper aesthethics text if you can still think in such retarded subcultural terms.

>>21759762
You are an imbecile who parrots the opinion of the critics. Lispector, Machado and Guimaraes Rosa? Yea, we all know those three!

>or influence that at least on some level went against the main thesis of their work
It's true that you can like both Rosa and Machado independently for different reasons, but the very coupling of those two names, plus Lispector, is very revealing. Sorry, but I cannot resist. I know just which type of reader I am dealing with, and you do indeed lack a properly developed literary personality, which by the way means a capacity for personal taste.

>>21759762
True

>>21757063
He works for the mexican government. Kinda like a spook.

>>21759797
You fucking absolute retard what good would it do to recommend Osman Lins or Adonias Filho or Murilo Rubião or countless other lesser known authors who weren't translated?
>you do indeed lack a properly developed literary personality
the irony here is that you think that literature works like subgenres of music where you can easily pick and choose from let's say a 100 year span. This is only possible if the entirety of your literary knowledge is reduced to 20th century, commented upon literature. Once you set out to understand the genealogy of either an artist or movement that is outside your clearly limited comfort zone (as seen by the fact that you didn't answer any of my questions), you'll realize that this is futile.
Don't even want to mention how the fact that you think that Machado and Lispector are that far removed from each other only seems to fortify my argument.

>>21759797
>>21759843
imagine if you two spent just as much effort trying to make money and start families instead of typing all this pointless third-rate cowshit out

>>21759862
don't really need money and I'm waiting for my gf to become rich to start a family but my kid will come out wrong if this retard doesn't explain to me how the fuck can he identify the inherent aesthethic qualities of a certain piece of art then choose to enjoy it or not.

>>21759870
kek okay you made me laugh really hard there. fuck that guy and best of luck to you man

>>21759843
>Osman Lins or Adonias Filho or Murilo Rubião

None, because they're all shit, and Osman Lins is a second-rate imitator of the wartime Frenchies.
Also, nice strawman of my views, which at any rate I have barely exposed, if at all. I have probably read way more widely than you, and in nearly ten languages.
Good night, parrot, and enjoy your Antônio Cândido.

>>21759883
Again, your attempts to insult me by hurtling criticism which I haven't read towards me only tells how YOU are blinded by criticism, choosing to enjoy certain works based not on their merits but on what you perceive to be "ideal" (not even good).

I suggest you read some Bolaño, who incidentally isn't anything like any of the writers I mentioned (maybe the Pynchmaster? Idk), probably a third of his literary bibliography is mocking absolute retards like you.

Also for someone who dislikes so many authors, I'd very much like you to mention what the fuck do you enjoy. It's also very weird to call Lins imitator of war-time frenchies when he was clearly far more in line with the post-war ones, even by his own admission, but I'm sure you read somewhere Lins is like the brazilian nouveau roman and decided this sounded like shit.

>>21758416
Fuck Moser, i'll gladly dick him down tho

I read The Apprenticeship and didn't really like it. Hegelian romance with some not very interesting new age spirituality thrown in.

>>21759416
> Also beware of southern girls (or people in general), they're untolerable assholes with the worst of both brazilians and argentinians in them.
She did speak with disdain about other parts of Brazil, almost as if she weren’t from the same country. Also she told me to avoid Rio like the plague when I go there and that instead I should go to Rio Grande do Sul.

>>21760924
Bewaring Rio's capital might be a good idea (even then, I went there a bunch of times and nothing even happened), but the interior is beautiful, particularly the Region of the Lakes.
I've never been to Rio Grande do Sul but it doesn't strike me as particularly beautiful or interesting, it has a bunch of german looking buildings, a sub-par litoral and the most inbred motherfuckers you've ever seen outside of Great Britain and Apallacchia.

>>21759718
>I never said they were similar just that the three are my favourite brazilian WRITERS.
Not a single poet in a poetic tradition. That's how I know you're a pleb.

>>21759843
>>21759883
I love my flamewar-niggas. Let me pointlessly fight too. kek

>>21761762
>in a poetic tradition
maybe that's my first problem right there bud

>>21756451

to be honesto i think Clarice is one of the biggest hit or miss authors out there, every one I know that has read her either puts her in the mid-at-best category or holds her as some kind of a Saint, showing almost devotion...
to me, it seems like her genious relies on being able to connect deeply (and i mean marina trench type of deep) with a few
do you know any other artista that has this superpolarizing effect?

>>21759378
this
she's to lit major art hoes what ryan gosling is to /tv/

>>21756451
Tá dando pra quem na USP pra ficar tapeando essa mulher aqui, OP?

>>21759391
Back to TikTok friendo