/lit/ - Literature

>>21724255
I look Nordic as fuck. 100% Norman-Swabian stock

>>21724268
A fair amount of Sicilians look Nordic, especially in parts of Sicily where the Normans had fortresses and settlements, but Evola did not have a Nordic phenotype at all. He has a very distinctly Italian face.

>>21724255
So he doesn't fit your arbitrary standard? Just try reading any of his books, because by the looks of it you haven't really read him at all. Try one of his essay compilations to begin.

>>21724287
"Bro stop being mean to this weird right-wing twit you're being so unfair right now bro just give the magic racist man a chance bro!"

>>21724280
Vgh... once again us PoCs need to pick up the heavy labor that the Nordics are supposed to do themselves, just so we can prevent them from committing collective suicide. Will our and physical and emotional laboring go unpaid once again?

>>21724319
Instead of reading try television, its seems right up your alley.

>>21724255
>Rejects Fascism, Far Right, NatSoc and other bullshit.
Based. All of these were created by the same people which is the controller class. A class that wishes to divide, conquer and ruler it's subjects. A class that owns entire "elite", which is just a middle manager class (bankers, politicians, billionares etc), across the entire globe. A class that pushes Red vs Blue, Democracy vs Communism, West vs East etc.

>Degeneracy and demographic changes.
What can you realistically do? 80% of retardes has decided to terminate themselves. It'll even out eventually when they die out childless, bitter and desperate and the following generation, which will luckily still hold a sizeable number - enough to restore and make a comeback - will take note of that and bounce back.

>Spiritualist "garbage"
That's how you filtered yourself. You are a plebian of the soul. A monkey in a human body that secretly craves to return to the jungle. Your entire existance is a subcouncious "return to the monke" paradox. Thank you for filtering yourself, the LGBQT or Far right extremist patsy is this way - Reddit.com

>>21724379
>which is just a middle manager class (bankers, politicians, billionares etc),
You could just say Jews next time.

>>21724358
Yeah no I prefer following my actual religious tradition and culture rather than taking some rip-off Theosophist's Conan fantasies seriously.

>>21724268

>100% Norman-Swabian stock

>>21724255
Terrone, fascist and "spiritual"
Rats have a greater dignity

>>21724255
>Fascism, the Far Right, National Socialism
rabble beliefs. Indeed.

>>21724455
Chances are you don't. If you would have grasp on any religious tradition, you wouldn't have problem with most of his spiritual views, seeing them misguided at best. You're modernist and prefer to post shit online, closest thing you have to religion is scientism and myth of progress.

>>21724497
Adolf HItler is E1b1b. He is racially jewish.

>>21724255
>I tried to be fair
You must be pretty stupid then, since you got so much wrong.

If anyone is wondering, no, these are not fair characterizations. Evola continued to be involved in activism after the war and had principled reasons for not wanting to be involved in MSI terrorism, which later turned out to be a CIA-backed plot to prevent communists from starting a revolution in Italy, because briefly after WW2 the CIA was still controlled by American and British WASPs terrified of communism and simply wanting to create an Anglo-American world empire using finance and enforced "liberalism," and wasn't yet just a runaway schizophrenic psychopath institution that serves the highest bidder.

>>21724319
>brown retard who starts sentences with "bro" is brutally filtered by Evola to the point that he gets mad
Comedy gold

>>21724255
>then immediately disavowed Fascism, the Far Right, National Socialism, and all his beliefs
No he didn't. He was never even a member of any fascist party and routinely criticized them, you fucking idiot.
>"Degeneracy and demographic changes? Welp, nothing you can do about that, just ride the tiger and do nothing about it.
He never says this either. He just says the kali yuga must come to an end and all Traditional movements will ultimately fail until that time. He says try but don't be attached to results, an aristocratic principle totally foreign to you I assume.
>from a Sicilian family and had a giant hooknose but still an insane and ardent Nordicist
He wasn't a Nordicist, he believed in a spiritual race of Aryans, which was what all of Europe was at one point, and many other people outside of Europe. He criticized the nazis for not considering the inward essential natire of race.

Your entire post is just ignorant/butthurt shitposting, you don't have any arguments or engage with a sine idea of his. I expected better from lit.

>>21725528
>jews (a race of mutts par excellence) have the same gene
>dat means he jewish!
Top kek you utter retard.

>>21725528
not a jewish Y-DNA

>>21724255
>it's another thread of lying and concern trolling about Evola, and also being retarded
IDK about you guys but after the 5000th I am starting to get bored...

>>21725590
This exposes OP for not having read even just the introduction of Revolt. Probably got his entire opinion from a youtube video or reddit.

>>21724255
After the collapse of grand narratives it's extremely hard for right wingers to provide any coherent foundation for their beliefs. There are three responses to this.

The ones that are honest about this end up bogged down in subjectivism with no ammunition against progressives. This is no way to win a culture war since it is hard to maintain a consistent positive energy from an inherently nihilistic position.

The ones that know that some transcendent anchor is required to make their values stick attempt to retreat into pre-modern religious frameworks like Christianity or Islam. They're mostly larpers, but the foundations they rely upon aren't completely dead yet and God is the ultimate way towards moral realist normative ethics and having an excuse to resist the progressives. It can also inspire fanaticism when you fake it until you make it, which is a valuable asset.

Then there's the ones who neither want to be secular nihilists nor "christcucks", they are looking for transcendent values from alternative sources, but the pickings are slim. These become the extremely larpy neopagans with no uninterrupted lineage to the actual pagans or they become esoteric nerds into Evolva, Crowley, Savitri Devi etc. They're trying to codify their neofolk playlist into an ideology but ultimately end up with an incoherent mess that invites nothing but mockery. Still, they cling to this approach, out of sheer refusal to embrace one of the other two.

The attractiveness of Evola is a mystery to anyone outside of this camp, you have to recognise their desperation to see why grasping for this straw is attractive at all.

>>21725652
and what are the progressives progressing towards?

>>21725669
Some amalgamation of corrupted and botched secular remnants of Christianity, degenerated egalitarian humanism, appealing to vague intuitions remaining within the people from a former time.

>>21725648
Faggot OP could be a mossad agent trying to discredit Traditionalism.

>>21725652
Characterizing Evola readers as neo-Pagans is inaccurate. Some might be but Evola ultimately endorsed Catholicism with Classical Heroic ideals.
>any attempt at practicing religion or spirituality is le LARP
When is it not a LARP? Do people have to become ordained monks before you permit them to bring religion into politics? Do they have to construct a solar body of glory before talking about esotericism?

>>21725869
Evola was at best very chilly toward the church, he like Guenon may have been able to consider the idea of a reborn and robust Roman Catholic in a Holy Roman Empire but the present church was basically just useless and enabling a lot of bad things. I think he's slightly unfair in this, because I have a higher opinion of Christians than a lot of men of his generation did, which is why they tended toward other faiths or atheism or paganism. But it is definitely fair to characterize him as basically "pagan," as long as that term isn't misunderstood. Pagan in the sense of a Vedantist, pagan in the sense of a Neoplatonist, but not pagan in the sense of a neopagan Odin worshiper.

>>21725878
He endorsed Catholicism in Mask and Face and in later works.

>>21725869
>Characterizing Evola readers as neo-Pagans is inaccurate.
There has been a mistake, I did not say that. I said: "These become the extremely larpy neopagans with no uninterrupted lineage to the actual pagans __or__ they become esoteric nerds into Evolva, Crowley, Savitri Devi etc."

>When is it not a LARP? Do people have to become ordained monks before you permit them to bring religion into politics? Do they have to construct a solar body of glory before talking about esotericism?
This is the essential problem of our time I feel like: How do a postmodern people escape out of it into a new sincerely adhered to grand narrative? I don't think anyone has found a convincing answer yet that works. I personally think a backpaddle to the established pre-modern religions looks a bit more hopeful than the nihilists, the neopagan or the "traditionalist" option.

>>21725893
What later works? IIRC Mask and Face is one of the places he's only slightly chilly toward it. He certainly wasn't Catholic in any meaningful sense, he was not a believer in Christ being the son of God at all.

>>21725893
>had the cross explicitly removed from his own casket in late 70s Italy
nah

>>21724255
>I tried to be fair, but how is there anything worth reading by Evola? His works are quite frankly garbage.
for you? no. go back to reading stephen king and that crocodile guy

>>21724280
>shilling normans
no anon all the cuties are of breton stock and mr. Evola would agree 100%
stop shilling norman faggotry

>>21725912
I'm not saying he was a Catholic/Christian. In Mask and Face he offers it as the best way forward for a Traditionalist Westerner, as opposed to atheism, satanism, theosophy, etc., which is a step back from the points he made early on with Pagan Imperialism. I can't remember where else I saw it, maybe some essays online, but he definitely wrote about it more.

>>21725921
He wasn't a Catholic but he thought most others (in the West) should be, to be protected from dark forces. Read Mask and Face of Spirituality.

>>21725982
>>21725921
>>21725912
>Evola declaring that Catholicism is the epitome of spirituality
>4chin arguing that Evola was not catholic
how about being faggots making an effort in restoring Catholicism meow meow to the state it was before Vatican 2
num3rous mystics, staring from Eliphas Levi and ending with Tomberg argue along that line, not to mention canonical figures like blessed Benedict XVI and Hans Urs von Balthasar

>>21726007
>how about being faggots
meant to write
>how about not being faggots
faggots are welcome though, but only the ones not being faggots for material gains hint hint wink wink

>>21724255
It is usually the men who are racially impure who see from the fence the truth about race. Actual aryans people are busy being living gods to care, it's like expecting a happily married man to be highly invested about the dynamics of the sexual marketplace.

>>21726126
>actual aryans not bothered that their neighbors are niggers blasting filthy music 24/7
anon in our time in which the democratic party (& soros-type ngo's) strategically implanting niggers into nice neighborhoods, otherwise populated with people devoting decades to finding and welcoming nice neighbors, what you say is a pure lie

>>21726007
>Evola declaring that Catholicism is the epitome of spirituality

>>21726247
Catholicism, not Christianity

>>21724255
> giant hooknose
His long was long (which is a masculine trait) but it wasn’t a hooknose.

>>21726299
His nose was long*

>>21726299
agreed, that is the ultimate normal nose, neither aquilian nor jewish (6-shaped)
op is grabbing at straws

>>21724731
God you people are fucking boring.

>>21726126
>being living gods to care
Narcissistic garbage.
I hope you get Alzheimer's when you're old.

>>21726167
It's not that they aren't bothered it's that white people are the least racist demographic and there's a reason for that beyond being corrupted by Christian morality. They are the least insecure.
The greatest racial thinkers I know of are Miguel Serrano and Cesar Tort, one was Chilean and one is Mexican, this is a pattern.

>>21726403
That may or may not happen regardless of your hope, and even if it did you would remain unaware of it one way or the other. If you want to invoke narcissism, you exemplify it by your belief that your meager and impotent resentment can determine the course of disease in other human beings. That's all your fantasy. What's real is that now, today, you are seething over some harmless hyperbole.

>>21726498
As a Canadian, this is definitely true. Weak/tributary powers are always the most self-conscious of their race. People from great power countries (USA, France Britain) on the other hand have an almost unconscious sense of superiority that manifests itself in different ways; Americans by thinking everyone is exactly like them, French by thinking that everyone should be like them, and Brits by thinking it's side splittingly hilarious when everyone isn't exactly like them.

>>21724268
Kek, I got it anon

>>21726560
This is especially evident in the Canadian music scene, where all the non-insecure musicians move to the USA to make it big, and the ones who are left always seem to burrow into some sort of vaguely nationalistic niche of folk or world music.

>WHY ISN'T THIS AUTHOR A BASED NEO NAZI FASCIST LIKE ME >:(
>I DEMAND AN EXPLANATION
Holy shit this board has sunk low

>>21726299
I knew an Italian heiress once who had a nose like that. She got really pissed off when I asked if she was Jewish. Apparently Italians are really insecure about their jewish-ass-noses so they cope by saying it's a "Roman nose"

We pig nosed Normans know that they're the same thing however.

>>21726582
Put some respeck on Stompin' Tom's name

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=T_lKiGE-hUg

>>21726536
I don't actually wish you to get Alzheimer's. My intention was to make you look into impermanence and how it undermines all claims of superiority. It pretty much leads to this adage: "This too shall pass."

>>21726660
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZIwzRkjn86w

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=R5_zvuPw8xU

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uP8_g8AQ7X0

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Dbbdu91CSFI

>>21726655
That’s not a Jewish nose. Have you seen Richard Wagner aka the most German man who ever lived? That guy had an aquiline nose which was way closer to a Jewish nose than Evola’s and still that wasn’t a Jewish nose. Not every long nose is a Jewish nose.

>>21726711
Adding image.

>>21725901
Say what you will but I praise Kek
Verification not required

>>21726711
>>21726713
>Richard Herzel Wagner was born to a German family in Leipzig, who lived at No 3, the Brühl (The House of the Red and White Lions) in the Jewish quarter on 22 May 1813.[n 1] He was baptized at St. Thomas Church. He was the ninth child of Carl Friedrich Wagner, who was a clerk in the Leipzig police service, and his wife, Johanna Rosine (née Paetz), the daughter of a baker.[3][4][n 2]

>>21726773
Botpost

>>21724280
Roger II (Italian: Ruggero II; 22 December 1095[1] – 26 February 1154) was King of Sicily and Africa,[2] son of Roger I of Sicily and successor to his brother Simon. He began his rule as Count of Sicily in 1105, became Duke of Apulia and Calabria in 1127, then King of Sicily in 1130 and King of Africa in 1148.[3] By the time of his death at the age of 58, Roger had succeeded in uniting all the Norman conquests in Italy into one kingdom with a strong centralized government.

Roger II's elaborate royal mantle bears the year 528 of the Islamic calendar (1133–34); therefore it could not have been used for his coronation.

Though the island that Roger I and his brother Robert Guiscard had conquered was populated predominantly by Arabs—with a strong admixture of Greeks—Roger I had always remained essentially a Norman knight. His son, by contrast, was a man of the Mediterranean. Deprived of paternal influence from the age of five, Roger was brought up in a cosmopolitan, multilingual world of Greek and Muslim tutors and secretaries and soon revealed an exotic strain in his nature. The latter was obvious enough in his complexion and in the darkness of his eyes and hair, but his contemporaries soon learned to their cost that he was a ruler for whom diplomacy, however tortuous, was a more natural weapon than the sword, and gold, however corrupting, a more effective currency than blood.

>>21724731
You were on the money with this ngl, he had no reply except a non-sequitur. Same shit different day with these retards who "take their religion seriously", oh I bet lol

>>21726711
>Not every long nose is a Jewish nose.
This is going on my wall.

>>21726942
What? you actually believe that? lol

>>21726942
>>21726953
I meant to say, do you actually believe every long nose is a Jewish nose?

>>21724255
So you're saying the only barrier to you committing to your beliefs is having just one more talking head espouse them? And then of course, another. And so on.
Ergo the barrier is you're a coward. I haven't read Evola, but he published books. What have you done? Call him a fag because he doesn't pacify you by proxy with more ideas that, in the meantime while they make you feel good about yourself, just require a bit of grease that just require two more years to aquire in two more weeks. Bluff. Chicken.

>>21724355
Oh fuck off

>>21725528
Jews are J something no? J is the semitic group right

>>21725669
Being an asexual body-positivity landian cyber blob.

>>21726299
I look like that

>>21724255
I'm certain Ezra Pound's reactionary literature contributed to a genocide. While Evola was more of an introspective. That you think someone should be imprisoned on account of someone else being imprisoned, by virtue of the law, means you deserve it more than either of them

>>21726299
Hooknoses are also a masculine trait and that's why (Jewish but not only) women with hooknoses tend to be ugly.

>>21726397
See >>21724358

>>21726688
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=D7gvotoVFlI

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tJmm_hmT8NY

>>21726582
>Canadian music scene ... the ones who are left always seem to burrow into some sort of vaguely nationalistic niche of folk or world music.
That just made me think of Devin Townsend. It's like Enya metal.

https://youtu.be/1n7uvokARQ4?t=76

Perhaps the relationship between Canada and the United States is like the one between Ireland and the United Kingdom. Or New Zealand and Australia.

>>21727485
As a leaf, yes.

>>21724255
>I tried to be fair
I haven't read this guy but judging from the way you write about him I doubt it.

>>21725528
that's a north african haplo the superior e1berber

>>21726560
>>21726498
>having a nigger blasting nigger music while you are trying to read a book is just white tolerance
while I like and appreciate the work of Mr Serrano, your stoicism-cope is just sad
it's the slippery slope that lead us here

>>21728806
Shut up Mutt ahahahaha

>>21728812
go cope

>>21728833
I don't need to because I don't break into a cold sweat every time I see a blackamoor you fucking loser

>>21728859
I bet you’re used to being in contact with negroes. Maybe your step father was one.

>>21728859
you know what they say... either you abhor nigger behavior or you are a nigger
the sad part is that actually decent black-skinned men harvest the grief of their savage brothers

>>21728888
Quads confirm. Holy checked.

>>21725599
Dude, are you aware of Hitler's family background? It is muddy as hell.

>>21725552
Evola wasn't brown?

>>21728976
Brown doesn’t really mean anything.

>>21724255
>boohoo why did he disavow my beliefs
If you claim to represent said beliefs, you're a good reason as to why.

>>21728976
Nope, sorry mutt.

>>21728974
>Hitler was secretly a Rothschild!
Retarded.

>>21728980
Well, when I hear “I am/you are/he is brown” I imagine someone with brown skin, and which might indicate a mulatto, arab, southern asian. Now some wigtards classify as brown people who simply has brown hair and eyes.

>>21729140
Only retards and leftists do that.

>>21729140
Only a few genes select for skin tone. Light and brown skin toned people of the same race are more closely related than a light non-Euro and white Euro.
Why don't you just say non-Euro instead of brown or whatever else?
There are brown'ish Euros too.

>>21725669
Better society than the one(s) we have now. I can't wrap my head around the conservative impulse to not improve.

>>21729138
I think anyone with less than 10% of jewish ancestry shouldn’t be considered jewish though. The point is that he was not 100% european.

>>21725669
the great plane field of the maximally undifferentiated sapiens, though eventually it may move towards inclusion of the higher primates and rodents

>>21729304
Then what constitutes an Euro and a non-Euro? Is someone with 90% southern european and 10% jewish/mena/mongol ancestry european?

>>21729665
Germanics living in or from Europe

>>21729665
European isn't a pure race in the first place, as Guenon explains in his first book.

>>21730273
You are a nigger and a retard.

>>21729665
>Then what constitutes an Euro
Descent from the three combined native populations of Europe, the Neolithic Hunter-Gatherers, the West Asian Farmers, and the Proto-Indo-Europeans. You need a portion from all three, the precise ratio is irrelevant.

>>21730327
guenon also wiped his ass with his hand because muhammad said to so whats your point?

>>21730352
>what's your point?
That Guenon is right and European is not a pure race. Genetic studies also bear this out if you're the science-cuck type of guy.

>>21730329
He's right, all Europeas of note were Germanic including the ruling classes of the Greeks and Romans in the founding era

>>21730378
> all Europeas of note were Germanic
Statistically impossible.

>>21730378
meds + touch grass + have the sex + bbc

>>21730378
Is that why most kylixes and amphorae show curly black haired men?

>>21729422
>Better society than the one(s) we have now.
By what standards do you define as 'better', and to what end?

>>21730385
>>21730437
>>21730555
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4kdWvDNGysE

listen to this lecture and learn

>>21730329
>oy vey!

>>21730367
Europeans are more pure than middle eastern mutts, especially Nordics.

>>21730437
>seething tranny gets refuted

>>21730654
I'm not even arguing against fair traits in ancient Achaeans but that doesn't make them Germanic, you have to stop with this sense of protagonism, Germanics may have appeared into European history as the last iteration of the blonde beast but they neither were the first, or the only or even the most glorious. And it's gone anyway.

>>21730663
yeah they can be mongol mutts too

>>21730691
What a sad thing to read

>>21730702
sorry anon but it's what it is I don't make the rules, being Danish or Swedish nowadays unfortunately doesn't make you a kinsman to Diomedes or Pericles
I like to think that if predators like Achilles, Romulus and Alaric met in a room together with one of the local squatters in Hellas, Rome or Gotland today they'd probably find they have more in common with each other than with any of the latter

>>21726711
>Mein Gott! VVagner vvas a cryptojevv

>>21730654
Ah yes, another twittertard buying into BAP's clumsy retarded nordicism. I like BAP but this cheap nordicism is the same level as Chamberlain's desperate claim to great Italians like Raphael, Giotto, etc., calling them Germans. This is ridiculous and gives off the same insatbility and insecurity of African-centrists. Lack of subtlety denounces an ill-constituted nature.

>>21730702
>>21730654
>>21730378
Explain this https://www.nature.com/articles/nature23310 please

>>21726126
This is factual.

>>21730691
The Dorians were Germanic you dirty nigmutt

>>21730732
Can you refute it?
>muh BAP
Nobody cares

>>21730782
no they weren't, you keep using this word, "Germanic" without any care to its proper meaning; you remind me of other clowns calling any west European post 2500BC "Celt"
they of course had common ancestors but probably parted around 2000BC somewhere in central-east Europe

>>21730732
Except he argues his point very well with solid evidence as opposed to the hoteps.

>>21730748
nobody is denying that there was a helot underclass that was there before the dorian invasion

>>21730788
Literally refuted with genetic studies proving continuity from Minoans and Myceneas to modern Greeks. Plus you have all the pottery showing SYMPOSIASTS with curly black hair (I assume you are not as retarded as to not know what being a symposiast entails).

>>21730842
>before dorian invasion
First, you are unable to read. The article refers to CONTINUITY you dumb nigger. Second, Dorian descent is mostly found in one region, not ancient Greece as a whole.
Third, name 5 germanic poets (inb4 homer, vyasa etc)

>>21730888
not him, that study is outdated and doesn't not prove what you think it does, there's not even a single formal analysis of continuity in the region, but of course you don't know that because you stop at sensationalist headlines, there is very little quantitative continuity in modern Greece if you've read any of the more recent stuff, which in any case is not what we are discussing, as a chihuahua may very well be quantitatively closer in terms of allele frequency to a wolf than to a rat but it's for all practical purposes a weird rat

>>21730654
>>21730788
>>21730835
>>21730842
give me one evidence showing romans and greks had class division by race

>>21730888
>pottery showing SYMPOSIASTS with curly black hair
So? Practically every ancient Greek author describes the gods as golden-haired with grey or blue eyes. Same for the demi-gods and lots of Royalty.
>MUH SCIENTIFIC STUDIES
Glorified guess-work, most of it is garbage that will be out of date in a couple years if it isn't already. It is usually anti-white as well. It's garbage.

>>21730920
listen to the lecture by professor pervert

>>21730932
Gods =/= people

>>21730904
We can peruse it together.
>Modern Greeks resemble the Mycenaeans, but with some additional dilution of the Early Neolithic ancestry. Our results support the idea of continuity but not isolation in the history of populations of the Aegean, before and after the time of its earliest civilizations.
I want to know what you understand by this paragraph.
2017 is indeed not up to date when it comes to genetic studies as it has been advancing, but this is the one I could get out of my mind. Do you have any newer study that addresses this issue?

>>21730920
Out of the physical descriptions we have for Roman Emperors, more than half are described as having white/Nordic features, not features that we would associate with more recent meds. The middle east and mediterranean were mutt-ified since the ancient past, it isn't just hellas and rome.

>>21730932
>Practically every ancient Greek author describes the gods as golden-haired with grey or blue eyes. Same for the demi-gods and lots of Royalty.
lmao ur a clown

>>21730937
They are the primordial ancestors. The heroes and Royals are people, they are frequently described with Nordic features by practically every author. If you honestly think modern greek or modern "romans" are genetically the same as they were 3000 years ago you're retarded. Ancient Egyptians didn't have the high levels of subsaharan admixture they have today, it is a recent phenomenon. You're just anti-white.

>>21730946
Lmao dude he BTFO YOU and now you're coping.

>>21730940
it's a paper written by a coping greek, but you only have to look at the actual paper and the supplementary section to see there's no formal analysis of continuity(formal analysis = actually try to model modern Greek populations using ancients as reference), the proof is in the pudding: you can't get such high dilution of neolithic Anatolian ancestry as they themselves admit without large population displacements from peoples richer in other components(Roman era Anatolians + Slavs)
the one study I can recall that does actually attempt a formal analysis is Olalde 2021, the one with Roman era samples from the southern Balkans, and they conclude there's clearly no simple continuity with Aegean BA, as anyone can see by taking a look even at a simple PCA or the frequency of Y-DNA in modern Greeks
Aegean BA got slowly replaced by a more near eastern shifted population during the Roman era(confirming the writings of ancients), which in turn during the middle ages got mixed with incoming Slavs

>>21730948
>they are frequently described with Nordic features by practically every author
This is a lie and exaggeration.
Stop acting like an Afrocentrism retard. You can defend and appreciate your own culture without claiming others.
>You're just anti-white.
It's not anti-white to claim many nobilities of ancient cultures were not Nordic in appearance. You're technically anti-nonwhite...

>>21730952
Go back to flooding /his/ about "Darkwitch", faggot.

>>21730952
ur a clown

>>21730663
Okay sure but the point remains, Euros are mutts. This has interesting consequences on their mentality and approach to civilization as Guenon explains.

>>21730946
>seething pooman
Check this out
https://www.timesofisrael.com/anomalous-blue-eyed-people-came-to-israel-6500-years-ago-from-iran-dna-shows/

>y-y-you got BTFO!!1
>no ur coping!!1

>>21730942
To begin with they had curly hair (Med feature), not straight hair (Nordic feature). They had fleshy lips (Med feature), not thin lips (Nordic feature). They were like modern Meds. This weird Nordicization of Med culture is pathetic wewuzzing.

>>21730932
I don't care about fantastical allusions. Give me examples of the royalty.

>>21730932
Dude, saying that Modern Greeks is a good representation of how ancient Greeks looked like is anti-white propaganda? Like what is so outrageous about avowing there were as many (I believe it was the majority though) brown/black haired people as blond people in Greece as a general (there has never been a single evidence of class division by race, a barbarian German would be a metic just like a brown arab)?

>>21730975
absolute clown

>>21730968
>>21730969
Good argument, shitskin.

>>21730973
>mutts are pale with blonde hair and blue eyes
Next-level shitskin cope.

>>21730979
>Greek diner owner with a photo of the Acropolis on the wall, who names his son Achilles or Agamemnon or something like this, and they think there is a direct line from the blood of Olympus to his gyro and pizza joint. This is right yes? If Achilles were born today, he would serve you premade pizza crust with formaldehyde-flavored gyro shavings on top

>>21730964
>You can defend and appreciate your own culture without claiming others.
Nobody is claiming anyone's culture, you're arguing with voices in your head. I get it, you're an insecure mutt/shitskin.

>>21730989
>gets refuted outright
>y-youre a clown!
Haha JUST

>>21730990
You are anti-wog.
Being anti- anyone is bad imo.
Just get your homogenous community and stfu already. If you're so superior, then please end the Jewish problem already. Or is it because you're a weak bitch who prefers to scapegoat all non-Nordics while claiming their cultures like an Afrocentrist retard?

>>21730999
>I get it, insecure mutt/shitskin
I get it, you're an insecure snow nig.
You're so superior that you got cucked by subhumans. Got it.

>>21730987
Ok so primary sources describing ancient greek nobility and primordial ancestors doesn't count? Only shitty studies with huge degrees of uncertainty count? Keep coping, you will never be white.

>>21731012
>argue with evidence that ancient people's had fairer skin and coloured eyes/hair
>OY VEY STOP REPLACING OUR CULTURE THIS IS GENOCIDE
Makes things abundantly clear that you're the one whose insecure.

>>21731005
I'm not claiming anyone's cultures, you're delusional.

>>21731018
>>argue with evidence that ancient people's had fairer skin and coloured eyes/hair
I can give colored artifacts showing royalty that doesn't have blue eyes and blonde hair... It's not hard.
Your ludicrous claim that every single ancient royalty had blonde hair and blue eyes is ridiculous. All you can do is just cherry pick a few instances and rely on confirmation bias. All it requires to refute you is just pointing to many instances where this isn't true...

>>21730984
They often had red or dirty-blonde hair, grey, blue or green eyes, and pale skin. These are not features commonly found in meds today. It's proof that there was either a caste distinction ornthe entire population was whiter.
>fleshy lips
>curly hair
This is laughably weak.

>>21731022
Stop acting like a retarded overly emotionally Jewish nigger. You're claiming all the nobility of these ancient civilizations had Nordic features, and there is plenty of evidence showing otherwise. You ruin every thread about Evola and Traditionalism with your insecure LARPing bullshit.

>>21730948
>they are frequently described with Nordic features by practically every author.
Can you give me one example of the description of their bone structure, nose, lips types, etc.? Is: 'light hair' enough to be Nordic?
This is a very retarded argument, ancient Egypt is a much older civilization and suffered much more with European, Near Eastern/Semitic/Arabic invasions than Greece and Italy.

But yes, the primordial ancestors were literal gods who literally sprang from the earth, who were AUTO CHTONOS, who founded the cities, etc. They are as beautiful as they are strong. You believe in fairy tales and you are just like the worst kind of jew.

it's truly comical how a thread about Evola regressed into a bunch of Thralls and Cilician slave descendants try to claim kinship with these ancient aristocrats based on the sort of absolutely plebeian, quantitative measure that has little bearing on quality and "race" in the sense Evola understood it; Evola wrote a whole article on this matter putting ressentment filled "med" clowns in their place with their yappering about Romanity but without giving in to northern descendants of Thralls who think that by just having some exterior vestigial resemblances to the blond race it gives them some default superiority
petty "Nordicism" and mediterranism are laughable for the same reason

>>21730990
>>mutts are pale with blonde hair and blue eyes
Yes, they are. Genetic studies confirm both those traits came from different people groups. Europeans are not a pure race. I know, truth hurts if you're a race-coper.

>aristocrats
>spiritually superior

top zozzle, aristocrats are the most spiritually dead materialists there are

>>21731025
>Your ludicrous claim that every single ancient royalty had blonde hair and blue eyes is ridiculous
Where did I make this claim? I just claimed that those traits were more common in the ancient world than they are now in the same areas. Possible caste distinction as well, which would make sense, since people did this thing called conquering back then, where they would subordinate others.

>>21731003
hahahahaha
now say it with me:
WE WUZ GREEKZ N SHIETTTTT

>>21731036
this is what Polemon(a principate era Roman-Greek) had to say about the at his time rare pure Greek race

>>21731034
>seething
>creating retarded strawman arguments because you got BTFO
>blames me for running every Evola thread despite me just getting here and chiming in against the anti-white bullshit
Yes you are delusional.

>>21731043
I don't agree they were necessarily more common *at large*, but it's possible that the frequencies were different according to various ethnic groups... I don't think it stratified based on nobility though.
Also, race is not skin deep. You can have brothers of the same race with different colored eyes.

>>21731047
>saving all of these shitty memes to your computer
I almost feel bad for this belligerent mutt bastard

>>21731013
Primordial ancestors like Heracles, Athena, etc? I will only buy into your fairy tale evidence if you, besides showing me blond haired and blue eyed people, also show me people who can fight and kill a lion with impervious golden fur and claws sharper than any sword.
Now give me a primary source showing the division by race among Greeks.

>>21731042
He means aristocrat in the etymological sense of the word, you dumb high schooler.

>>21731051
>anti-white bullshit
It's not anti-white to disagree that all ancient nobility were fair featured. This is a very Jewish tactic.

"Oy very! The goy dares deny our divinity about how we're responsible for all that is good their culture!"

Change goy to non-Nordic, and that's what you are.

>>21731061
even worse he just means "edgelords like me"

>>21731064
>very
vey*

>>21731040
They're pure enough to not have those rare features mixed out, aka not mutts. You can make the same argument with any group of people, it's redundant/cope. Sorry you're brown-skinned.

>>21731066
His views are the same as the upper classes for most of history, nothing that crazy.

>>21730932
I'm waiting for the 5 poets

>>21731064
>all ancient nobility were fair featured.
Nobody is making that claim, or at least i never was. You're so triggered by it though, its hilarious.

>>21731073
I'm not brown skinned, but why do you hate them so much? You're anti-brown. It seems like fuel for fire and seems to lead to anti-white sensibilities.

Being anti any race is Jewish. Ethnic preferentialism is different hatred towards a race.

>>21731073
>They're pure enough to not have those rare features mixed out, aka not mutts. You can make the same argument with any group of people
Same thing replies in reverse then, by this logic any group of people that's genetically stable for a certain period of time is "pure". By that logic many Middle Eastern, Indian, East Asian, and many tribal groups are pure.
Guenon's comment is more spiritual in nature anyway and he only seems to have regarded certain East Asian races as "pure races", i.e., capable of having race be their unifying principle. I threw in the genetics comment because you're probably a science-cuck.

>>21731084
>we can't talk about the physiognomy of ancient nobles because it shatters my egalitarian worldview

>>21731085
>Same thing replies in reverse then
Cool, that doesn't mean a mutt race is the same in purity as a Nordic race.

>>21731084
>You're anti-brown
Yes, the world should be whiter, crime rates would go way down, for example. Or at least Western nations should remain white if they arent to devolve into 3rd world shitholes.

>>21731094
Nordic races are mutt races, so yeah it basically does. Unless you're confused on what "mutt" means?

>>21731083
Are you retarded? Different anon here, but just read the thread. The dumbfuck above literally made this claim repeatedly.

>>21731100
All people today are mixes of different races, Nordics much less so than most other races. Keep coping ahmed.

>>21731088
There's so many of them though. Which ones are we going to talk about?
>>21731099
It's just a very Jewish way of approaching the world. Claiming any group "should" go extinct. There's a difference between wanting your country to maintain its ethnic character versus bullying and demeaning all of them "browns".
It's a faggy thing to do. And what's funny is you keep screaming "anti-white" like a self-victimizing Jew. The reality is you're the one who is starting the fight.

>>21731104
Its this same mentally ill guy in every Traditionalist thread trying to do this /pol/ white race thing or whatever.

>>21731104
Cool, I didn't, and that guy is partially correct.

>be named "Giulio"
>change your name to "Julius" because we wuz emperors
He'd have a Twitter account with a marble statue avatar nowadays.

>>21731110
No, there are multiple people here, retarded faggot. I only got involved because I recognized that same faggot again. A lot of people are fed up with him.

>>21731113
What is partially correct about ''every noble, aristocrat was blond with blue eyes''?

>>21731107
> Nordics much less so than most other races.
Nah, completely inaccurate statement. Do some research on genetic history of Nordic peoples to understand how embarrassing your statement is.

>>21731116
That "same faggot" is the person I'm talking about, take a deep breath and relax.

Did he have a mental breakdown and delete all his posts? The fuck happened

>>21731107
how mixed are Bantu people?

>>21731133
/our guy/ janny doing the Lord's work

>>21731169
>yay!! We censored the racist posts, sistas
>based mossad mods!
YWNBW

>>21731110
>people in Trad threads are sympathetic to ethnic nationalism and won't let you shit on white people
wow big surprise

Holy shit this dude is seething lol, based janny

>>21731218
Ethnic nationalism doesn't mean to deform a nation. Why do you people always insist on preposterous claims and when admonished for that play the victim as the reasonable ones? This is literal nigger behavior. People like you just make me think lower of Nordic and Germans.

>>21731212
Clownanon stop seething
You’re clearly a newfag who hasn’t read Evola and it shows

>>21731225
>so mad he can't even reply
>still thinks its the same person
Dilate + meds, mutt tranny.

>>21731257
>oy vey just let me shit on white people and not let you talk about race in history
Kek not how it works on here, mutt. Maybe go to R3ddit?

>>21731275
Evola believed in superior races. There's a whole chapter in RAtMW on it. He believed in the Ancient Aryans, he just didn't put as much emphasis on biological race, he believed in a spiritual component more than anything. He believed that the Germans had this spiritual component and were the inheritors to the solar empire, hence his support of the Nazis. Swedes may have been more pure but spiritually ge believed that they had devolved too much.

>>21731352
>oy vey, half of europe isn't white, it isn't actually europe, there is only one pure race descended from some sort of adam kadmon! oy vey we don't subscribe to any jewish gnostic and divisive stratagem!

>>21731374
>he just didn't put as much emphasis on biological race, he believed in a spiritual component more than anything
because this was a way to reconcile his Nordicism with his own Sicilian wop heritage

>>21731374
I don't like Evola but he has something insightful here which is more or less what Nietzsche expressed in the Dawn and one of Hitler's table talk speech concerning the Aryan expression. Goethe, Heidegger, none of which had typical Nordic/Germanic features, still expressed a particular German spirit through their works that evokes a similar atmosphere as that of a Greek expression (Hölderlin, Nietzsche as well, and many other scholars like Müller, Wilemowitz, etc.). All of them had direct influence from Greekness, but take German Idealists like Kant and Fichte, who also expressed something strong in their works and had barely to no direct influence from Greekness (they were much more immersed in their times and modern philosophical intricacies). I think physical traits are very important but there is this subtle and even more profound side that crass materialists ignore.

>>21731400
can you name 5 great poets, writers, philosophers who were pure blonde blue eyed nordic/germanic?

>>21731400
>Nordicism
Lol. The entire point is that he didn't agree with Nordicism you cretin. You clearly haven't read him. This is like talking to a leftard...

>>21731383
>seething brown retard so mad can't even write coherent replies
OOGA BOOGA

>>21731428
Zeus, Kronos, Heracles, Theseus, Perceus, etc.

>>21731428
>pure blonde blue eyed
actually produce less great men on a per capita basis
germans unironically did research on this

>>21731468
Depends on how you define great. Sweden has the highest amount of blonde men per capita I'd assume.

>>21731447
you are a literal ooga booga who couldn't comprehend my point, lol. anyway you are a waste, bye!!

>>21731456
kek

>>21724255
Shit floats to the top

>>21731456
You will never be an aryan, you materialistic euhemerist hylic, you will never know brahman, demonic shudra

>>21724255
>evola thread
Hylics discussing and debating race of the first degree, which is subsumed by the race of the second, and third, and is in effect contingent.
Body < Psyche
Cant even begin to comprehend "psychic heredity" alongside the somatic

>>21731519
Angry brown hands typed this.

>>21724255
Mussolini just wanted him to write some bullshit to go against the church. Read Giovanni Gentile if you want a proper introduction into Fascism and Guenon if you wan mysticism.

>>21731400
Evola was not a nordicist, he was a borderline phrenologist and did correlate jawline and skull shape with spiritual and intellectual disposition, which is retarded imo, he never took it too seriously thoigh and admitted the possibility of there being anomalous, where the physical appearence failed to reflect any deeper aspect of the being.

>>21731545
I left out some words and all that, I dont mean "Being" as in "Being" but more so evola tried to point out connections between the body and the soul, the soul which comprises dispositions of a psychical and intellectual kind, on the level of a personality, he never said it was fixxed either.
And one thing should be made clear, according to evola, skull shape, the front face and sidewards physiognomic profile was much more important as opposed to mere colour,
If you want to look into it, its sort of like a facial astrology which the chinese and so on also have think palm reading except for the face, but his own version of it, based on his theory of solar/lunar races, cyclical histories of different civillizations, masculinity/femininity etc.

>>21731544
But Evola's got that swag u know?

>>21731563
Bigger heads and spherical skulls are ideal for tuning into frequencies of universal love.

>>21724255
>Fascism, the Far Right, National Socialism,
>aristocratic in any way

>>21725669
They think they're "progressing" towards the federation in star trek but in reality they're becoming the Borg.

>>21731747
>fighting to preserve Tradition and your heritage isn't aristocratic
>disdain for degenerates isn't aristocratic
>aristocrats in the West didn't overwhelmingly support Hitler and fascism before ww2
Commie slave detected