/lit/ - Literature

Late capitalism? More like early hypercapitalism

>>21709458
More like corporatism

>Labour Theory of Value

>>21709425
When you finished paying, the shoe is all torn because it's made by cheap labour with low quality control lol

>>21709473
>implying sneakerheads wear their shoes like normal people, if at all

>>21709425
lmao
just don't buy them

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fscdi7GJ8V8

>>21709458
More extreme capitalists, like the Austrian school, are against buying things on credit. Being allowed to spend money that you literally don't have is the biggest handout out there.

>>21709540
But everybody’s doing it anon. What are you, some sort of square?
To OP: try some William Gibson. It’s subtextual for the most part but he touches on it.

>>21709550
>It’s subtextual for the most part
It's explicitly overt in the Bridge Trilogy.

>>21709425
Why do people talk about "late stage capitalism" as if stuff like this hasn't been happening for as long as money has existed?

>>21709983
I referred to it as subtextual because I see it as more of his vision of post-late stage capitalism but I don’t disagree with your opinion. I think we’re on the same page, so to speak.

>>21710001
Full blown capitalism has only started from the industrial revolution onwards which is a pretty short time considering all of human history. It is late stage because we are about to fuck up the planet environment to the point of extinction.

>>21710001
>as if stuff like this hasn't been happening for as long as money has existed
Yes, but the proliferation of digital instant information access-transfer technology (coupled with the media culture that goes along with it) exacerbated it to a grotesque degree

I want to go back in time and strangle Werner Sombart.

Transgenderism is actually the height of late stage capitalism, and I'm convinced that it is the first instance when a capitalist venture (plastic surgery) actively began to mutate humans themselves.

So trannies may be the first actual capitalistic humans, where the fashion industry actively formed them out of thin air

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>>21710039
Not just transsexuals, but AGPs.
Every country has trannies, but autogynephilia is only prominent in western liberal democracies.

>>21709473
I know a woman who buys expensive sneakers that cost like $400 a pop and she says that "they last her at least 3 years" like, lmao I bought $20 reebok sneakers that lasted me 6-7 years what the fuck of an argument is this
The thing that makes me laugh the most about normies is that they try to justify their brand slavery by claiming they're buying real value. It's fucking retarded.

>>21709425
City Come A-Walkin by John Shirley

>>21710058
>local autist misunderstands a woman and social conventions, more news at 11
What she mean by "last" is that they look presentable for that duration, not everybody is ok with looking like a hobo in a paird of scuffed, beat up sneakers you've been wearing for 7 years

>>21710058
>lmao I bought $20 reebok sneakers that lasted me 6-7 years
so you work in a cubicle

>>21710113
Man, among normal people, pristine sneakers are more embarrassing than beat up ones.

>>21710113
This. Also there is fashion to take into account

>>21709463
>laybore gots nuffing 2do wiff valoo
>snirqqqq

>>21709463
I've never met a socialist that had a good practical argument against capitalism

>>21710989
I've never met a 'capitalist' that was loved by the billionaires he sucks off daily

>>21710780
I bought them as running shoes for my morning runs, which is arguably more stress than she puts on her shoes.

>>21711036
>immediately resorts to sexual thinking

Why are you like this?

>>21711065
Dishonesty or willful ignorance of the opposing arguments of capitalism means you are either a billionaire sociopath or a little toady “temporarily embarrassed millionaire”, and are thus worthy of scatalogical ridicule

>>21711095
why kind of warped mindset is this?

Is it just mentally easier to pretend everyone who's not in lock step with you is psychotic?

>>21709425
Braverman. Labour and Monopoly Capital.

>>21709425
How much are those Jordan shoes actually worth? I can't believe that pair of sneakers would have almost four hundred dollars worth of labor and materials?

>>21709425
>AHHHH NOOOO SAVE ME FROM THE RESPONSABILITY OF MAKING A CHOICE TO BUY ULTRA RARE FUNKO POPS. I HATE THAT I HAVE THE POTENTIAL TO BUY THE ULTRA RARE ANTMAN GOLD EDITION FOR $2450.50. PLEASE, SAVE ME FROM THE HELL OF CHOICE AND AUOTONIMY!

>>21711282
They probably crank them out for <$10/pair, parts, labour, packaging and shipping included

>>21711282
no such thing as "actual worth". only labor expense.

>>21710113
Kek

>>21709425
It would probably go over your head, but this seems to fit your description https://www.amazon.com/dp/B0BWVQPR28

>>21710113
But my shitty sneakers looked presentable for 3 years too. Any pair of sneakers will look presentable for 3 years
I'm only willing to pay above 200 for leather boots, those with some care will last like 15 years.

>>21712245
you retard it's about aesthetic cohesion. It is fine to not care about your appearance, but some people care about theirs.

This is why this board is full of incels.

>>21712290
My point was that the woman's specific excuse was about longevity of the shoes which is bullshit. Also sneakers look like garbage. I care about my appearance, that's why I wear nice boots. You make no sense

>>21712301
>Also sneakers look like garbage
>I care about my appearance, that's why I wear nice boots.

If you are wearing boots whenever you go out then you are definitely autistic and this is apparent to everyone or you are /fa/ starter pack and have no actual aesthetic assessment of your own.

i took out a 5k loan to support my camwhore addiction

>>21710807
>among normal people, pristine sneakers are more embarrassing than beat up ones
/fa/ isn't "normal people". Wearing scuffed and beat up shoes on purpose is wack and declassed posturing. Clothing is an language, and someone who taught you to speak trained you wrong on purpose as a joke.

>>21710807
>normal people are ashamed to wear brand new clothes
sorry about your insecurities bro but please don't project

>>21709425
Do people not realize this shit would happen regardless of whatever 'system' was in place. People with power have been exploiting people without power since the beginning of time. The only way to fix this is create a culture that refuses to accept this type of behavior which, in our current state, might never happen again.

>>21710043
Anons in this thread have never heard of sign value
>use value, the functional utility of the product
>labour value, the cost of producing the product
>market value, the nominal price in dollars of the product
>sign value, the prestige and feeling that comes with simply owning the product
Baudrillard writes that the sign value has exceeded the use value and the labour value.

>>21712395
>if you don't like to wear sneakers you are mentally ill
would you please fuck off back to where you cam from? you sound like a gigantic retard

>>21710058
>I bought $20 reebok sneakers that lasted me 6-7 years
This isn't something to brag about.

>>21713276
Clothing is the language of people who have nothing to say. I'm amazed retards, in no doubt scrambling to defend their own fragile egos, are arguing in favor of brand loyalty and slaving trends on a fucking literature board of all places.

>>21714305
>The only shoes that exist are sneakers and boots

midfunc as shit.

>>21714321
Why not? It shows that anon at least takes care of his few possessions and values function above (falsely attributed) form.
I've owned exactly two pairs of shoes for over ten years, Bruno Maglis, which I've also taken to fix by hand and I can assure you I make more money than anyone here. I openly look down on people who so vapidly try to take care of their appearance without first fixing what actually matters: their attitudes.

>>21713190
t. Larry Wheels

>>21714324
>You either dress well or you read. Pick one,

you are midfunc

>>21714339
then you poorfag slobs wonder why people avoid you. dont give me that shit about taking care of your things, holding on to a pair of shoes for 7 fucking years is hobo tier.

>>21714339
>values function above (falsely attributed) form.

Do you only read textbooks?

>>21714350
>being a wasteful pig is good, I must assimilate the constant bombardment of consumerist propaganda with my own self
Christ.

>>21714358
Do you really believe literary fiction says nothing, and is purely about form? Do you think the shallow aesthetic of basic material commodities (extension of yourself, sure, but purchasing and wearing and cycling through trash really betrays what you truly are) reconciles with higher purpose or meaning?

>>21714350
7 years is fine if it’s a pair of dress shoes or something that you wear a few times a year, but 7 years for Reebok’s or everyday shoes is just embarrassing

>>21714367
>Do you really believe literary fiction says nothing, and is purely about form?

No

>Do you think the shallow aesthetic of basic material commodities (extension of yourself, sure, but purchasing and wearing and cycling through trash really betrays what you truly are) reconciles with higher purpose or meaning?

Yes

Why own two pairs of shoes for a decade and not two books to go along with it? Maybe a dictionary and a road directory.

>>21714324
>are arguing in favor of brand loyalty
Not a single brand, or loyalty to one, was mentioned until you brought it up. Meds but unironically

>>21714339
>values function above (falsely attributed) form
This is just a euphemism for being slovenly

>>21714359
>you can only be a hypebeast sneakerhead consumer or a Gogol-tier miser wearing decade old shoes and framing it as some sort of a statement
>no middle ground exist
based retard

>>21714477
You could just not judge people on their attire like some sort of compensating histrionic woman, but if that wasn't such a rare stance to take we wouldn't be having this conversation.

>>21714477
Kek at the Overcoat reference. Nuance and middle ground has totally disappeared here and on most of the internet. It not too often I see someone say a book was okay here or just good. It’s either based or cringe. Polarization is a bitch

>>21714484
If someone presents themselves as a slob with shoes that are talking, it says a lot about them and they deserve to be judged

>>21714505
If you'd rather listen to someone's shoes instead of their words that says more about you than anything

>>21714520
Once again you don’t seem to understand that there are multiple ways you can validly judge a person which includes what they say and also their appearance

>>21714484
Yes, I guess it would be better if objective reality were completely different.

>>21714529
Measure maybe but I wouldn't judge anyone for their appearance
I also don't care about anything but knowledge and novelty which is why I couldn't give less of a shit about how poorly someone is dressed, I just care about what they have to say

>>21714554
By the way this also goes the other way, you can absolutely judge someone for how well they're dressed
The more someone puts effort into their appearance the more vapid they and the more worthless their heads are tends to be a pretty good rule to follow

>>21714554
>knowledge and novelty

That is why people care about their appearance.

>>21714570
You are deeply insecure

>>21714570
think thats kinda contexual. maybe a funneral or church. if you saw it every day and they are probably not on wallstreet, might be a reasonable assumption.

its about reasonable possibility in the context you are provided.

>>21714607
o narcissus, how does spending an hour a day in front of a mirror and rushing to project some bullshit idea of a personality outwards relate to knowledge or novelty? is it the knowledge of buying a mass produced good and knowing worthless trivia about it to brag about? the novelty of spending time in a high/middle class social bubble where the most interesting thought you have is about tools for walking through urban spaces?
you're in a board that memes american psycho, I cannot fathom what the fuck you're doing here defending materialism

>>21714631
>Mass produced
>An hour in front of the mirror
>American Psycho
>Materialism

Your ignorance is embarassing. Mid functioning autists should be banned from this board since they cannot understand nuance or middleground.

>>21710039
the greeks did it earlier

>>21714662
I'm just asking what kind of nuance wearing rubber soles to step on concrete you think seems to give your person
What can you say about your shoes that is novel, or even worthy of saying?
Explain it to me like the autist I clearly am, please. Did you make them yourself? Did it involve any sort of skill? Do the shoes have any sort of legitimate value beyond their clear purpose? What do you do when you have to walk through mud, it's a rainy day and a puddle stands in front of your path, or by bad luck you step on dog shit? Why do you care? I don't get it, wouldn't you rather talk about math or arts or literally anything else instead?

>>21714484
>>21714570
>>21714631

Everyone judges everyone based on their appearance, professionally and socially. Both men and women. When I go to the office I present myself a certain way, when I go to the art gallery with friends, or having drinks or on a date I present myself another way. You know why? Because It's POLITE.

Again, clothing is a language, and you're seriously trying to convince everyone that constantly talking in a caricature Serbian accent all the time is actually not annoying - but, in fact, enlightened. While having proper grammar and enunciation is somehow "vapid" and "materialistic".

You have fully crossed over into fedora tipping territory

>>21714554
If you have no issue with a nigger with face tattoos looking around nervously waiting behind you at an ATM, that’s great. I just hope you aren’t one of those hypocrites making racists or sexists posts here

>>21714685
There are a lot of insecure anons here who don’t don’t understand socializing

>>21714685
>Everyone judges everyone based on their appearance, professionally and socially
Professionally? I know almost everyone prefers to judge through job quality over appearance. In fact it kind of gets in the way nowadays, unless your responsibility is explicitly social. There you're right.
>but, in fact, enlightened
Finnegans Wake is pretty enlightened desu.

>>21714721
Many workplaces have dress codes. This is well known

>>21710968
If it’s a contest between people valuing a piece of paper because of the thoughts on it versus a commie who spent 10 000 hours dreaming up a toilet paper thesis I think everyone comes down on the right side of “labour value”. In fact in a discussion about what things are worth to people, a connection to labour seldom appears at all.

>>21714684
>What can you say about your shoes that is novel, or even worthy of saying?

Nothing. They are just comfortable and cohesive with the rest of my outfit.


>Did you make them yourself?

Yes and my friends have also made me a few pairs of shoes.

>Did it involve any sort of skill?

Yes.

>What do you do when you have to walk through mud, it's a rainy day and a puddle stands in front of your path, or by bad luck you step on dog shit?

I have good luck so I have never stepped in a dog shit. But when it is raining I just wear my rubber boots or waterproof sneakers.

>Why do you care?

I enjoy beautiful things. It is a simple and actionable way of refining your taste and identity as a whole.

>I don't get it, wouldn't you rather talk about math or arts or literally anything else instead?

Conversation is a series ot lateral jumps. All topics are covered and circled back towards and coalesced throughout it.

>>21711137
The same thinking that all fanatical cultists have
>"Your with us or with them"
>"You either accept what I think is right or your a devil incarnate"
its why minor disagreements amongst their own lead to cannibalism

>>21714729
And the best workers in the most competitive fields seldom respect it, or drop it once they fund their own companies. This is also very well known.

>>21714737
No. They aren’t showing up to the office in sweatpants and flip flops

>>21711282
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>>21714734
>/lit/-shoes

>>21714745
I seriously can't believe I have spent this long explaining footwear to someone with asbergers. I need to make some changes.

>>21714570
>"I've always believed that the more someone puts effort into their appearance, the more vapid they are,"
>"It tends to be a pretty good rule to follow."
- he said, his words slightly muffled by the mouthful of salad he had just picked up with the entree fork.

>>21714734
>Nothing
thank you

Damn. This thread reminds me how some are just disconnected from reality

>>21714737
>or drop it once they fund their own companies.

Yes, but first they have to fund their own company. You are just wearing disgusting grocery store sneakers and wondering why it is diffocult to make any friends.

>>21714772
Do you bring up your shoes in conversation without prompt?

>>21714782
Yes, I have alligator slippers and I’ve fucked 4 teenage girls in Starbucks by talking about them as an icebreaker

>>21714782
I don't bring up shoes, I think it's in bad taste

>>21714774
It truly is astonishing.

>>21714792
That's fucking rad. I can't lie.
>>21714794
Then at least you know one social rule. You can talk about them if someone mentions them/compliments you on them btw. Just in case that helps you out.

>>21714684
>What do you do when... you step on dog shit? Why do you care?
Nigga is you seriously be sayin you don't clean your damn shoes and walk around with doodoo feces on them all day?

>>21714811
I'm saying I'd rather ruin my $20 shoes by scraping the shit on concrete then walk around smelling like feces while panicking about some stitched pieces of rubber and leather.

If a nigga walking around in crusty, smelly 7 year old Reeboks or New Balances, I know all I need to know about that person. Protip for autists: your appearance is important

>>21710989
How about this simple line of reasoning: the world is currently capitalist. It is also extremely fucking gay. Hence, capitalism is extremely gay.
Now please don't do anything in the vein of "not real capitalism", I can't take it seriously.

>>21714823
Protip for you: I don't care about your appearance and I never will, you're overcompensating with your bullshit social rules for the fact that you're a deeply uninteresting, insecure, stupid and easily manipulated person. You never question what's around you, or the why of anything in your life.
That's a sad way to live, but 20 years in it's hard to quit, right?

>>21714817
Just don't step in dog shit then lmao.

>>21714837
>You never question what's around you, or the why of anything in your life.

Holy shit I hate the midfuncs

>anon has often wondered why it was hard to make friends, get a girlfriend, or a job

>Local autistic man continues to lose his mind over being told looking presentable is the preferrable norm for most people
>More news at 11

>>21714851
I am legit torn between laughing and feeling genuine pity for them. I just want to help now I think.

>>21714851
>Eyes go straight down like a trained dog

>>21714858
To be fair he also wears boots sometimes.

Look at David Foster Wallace's shoes.

>>21714851
I haven't followed the whole discussion but have you understood that I bought th sneakers for jogging? You are saying that I'm some kind of freak because I fucking jogged in old cheap gym shoes? are you seriously this genuinely broken in the mind? Is this an American thing? I mentioned boots, what they fuck do you think boots look like? Like what are you imagining, I am not sure if you're just poorly aware of things or schizophrenic. Sometimes I genuinely feel like you're all genuinely fucking retarded here but then again it's full of literal fucking trannies in here

>>21714851
>>21714858
Kek
>>21714859
It’s the stubbornness and detachment from real life that is frustrating. If he could grasp this basic fact his quality of life would go up. Yet he continues to be defensive

>>21714882
Your collective delusions aren't real, but then again believing they are is what makes your kind

>>21714871
They are truly the only good part of the outfit.

>>21714721
>o narcissus, how does spending an hour a day in front of a mirror and rushing to project some bullshit idea of a personality outwards relate to knowledge or novelty?

It’s very important to be responsible and focused on your day-to-day life. Dressing neatly and being more presentable shows that you have that sense of responsibility and focus. People will take you more seriously, and that on its own can really make quite the difference all the time.

I mean, you brush teeth and groom yourself before you go out - why stop short of the next logical step?

>>21714873
We know what boots look like. We know that they are (hopefully) not Doc Martens. I am imagining non-descript brown leather boots which you have been erroneously led to believe go with everything. They don't.
What do you wear your boots with?
I can help you.

>>21714882
I'm not going to ask you to post a photo of yourself because I assume you look like a gigantic mongoloid with crotch hair
that's if you're not an actual deformed tranny
I genuinely think you zoomers are fucking subhuman, I hope an adult finally bitch slaps your stupid fucking face and you learn not to be such a fucking idiot

>>21714873
>bringing trannies up out of nowhere
>wears boots as everyday footwear

>>21714905
>I am imagining non-descript brown leather boots which you have been erroneously led to believe go with everything. They don't.
All right it's how I imagined. You're completely fucking retarded. I'm out. You are a genuinely, completely fucking retarded zoomer mongoloid. I was talking to a literal brain damaged retard all along. I am actually appalled that I share the planet with dumb Americans like you who waste oxygen every single day
please, I beg you, kill yourself. I'm out.

>>21714882
It is. That is what is so frustrating. The fact that for the most part everybody on /lit/ is on the spectrum. It is the medium functioning autists that ruin things for the high functioning ones with their tautological vanity.

>>21714919
I was right about the boots wasn't I?

>>21709425
TIL that appearance isn’t important

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>>21714897
When the situation is apt, anyways. I wouldn't walk into a fucking classroom or a movie date looking like Bateman. I don't think most jobs nowadays even call for this type of dress code, at least not your usual /lit/ ones sans law perhaps.
And dressing like this in your off time? You're supposed to unwind, take on your Crocs and your sweatpants.

>>21714934
No you thought the stupided possible fucking thing an idiot could imagine for the sake of being a stupid fucking retard and it was my mistake to assume that you wouldn't be such a retarded inbred mongoloid. Although maybe it's an American thing and boots in America mean vintage military shit because everyone wears $2000 sneakers. In any case you're a complete waste of space, please kill yourself.

>>21714897
man i ordered some shirts from charles tyrwhitt the other day and i should have known like all british shit it would be sized for people with no fucking shoulders. the sleeves are the same length as a "tall" from j.crew but cuz the fucking shoulder is so god damn small it's always jacked halfway up my arm and it feels like its going to fucking rip half the time. i swore to never ordered burberry again, and mr. p shit didn't fit for shit either, but no i just had to try yet another poorly fitted brand for tiny british men.

>>21714964
Why don't you go ahead and decribe your boots for us?

>>21714897
A man should only wear suspenders if he is above 60 years old and 220 lbs. He needs to sweat a lot too. They should be pulled down in a stressful situation with sleeves rolled up for effect

>>21714954
>movie date

>flannel shirt
>jeans
>worn-out sneakers
that's how you know you're getting your money's worth

>no you cant just charge what you want!
Its called free enterprise

>>21714954
>Lack of abstraction when presented with an example
>>21714982
That sucks dude. As bothersome as it is you really have to take your measurements and then a lot of the time end up in a brief back and forth to make sure that the clothes will actually fit. Sizing is stupidly arbitrary. The shoulders thing happens to me all the time as well.

>>21714996
>>21715000
Very good.

>>21712395
Depends on the boots. Walking or hiking boots, yeah, that's weird. The best pair of shoes I've ever owned were suede ankle boots that I wore all the time for five years. I bought a pair of Solovairs to replace them and they fucked my feet up big time.

>>21714954
In my off time I dress in a generous cut dark linen jacket or a lighter deconstructed oxford weave cotton blazer, with chinos or non-matching pleated slacks instead of traditional suit pants. With a white cotton casual shirt, a polo or a white or black (depending on the jacket color) solid color crew neck t-shirt - in order of the casualness of the occasion. Lately I've been forgoing the belt, because it sort of ruins the casual vive. For shoes it's usually loafers, top-siders or plain white Stan Smith's - again, in the descending order of casualness.

>You're supposed to unwind, take on your Crocs and your sweatpants.
Why? Because being a disheveled slacker, having no standards for yourself or others, is now normalized? Wasn't your position against materialism? Wearing Crocs and sweatpants is the ultimate expression of materialism in the late capitalist society.

>>21714996
Why? Suspenders are a bold accessory, and give you a very distinct look. Not to mention, it's actually healthier to wear suspenders instead of a belt.

>>21715027
Why is it "Very good"?

>>21715049
Those boots sound nice. Suede just spikes my neurosis in a weird way.

>>21714897
Man, if I saw a guy my age (mid 20s) dressed like that me and my friends would just laugh I'm sorry

>>21714982
Paul Stuart is having a semi-anual sale right now, with some good deals on their shirts. Check it out.

>>21715059
>Why?
I think I'm getting it now. We're both autistic and just going off different paths. This might be an integral quality to man. Much love.

>>21714909
What’s wrong with boots bro?

>>21715096
looks kinda marilyn manson?

>>21715096
>he finally posted them

>>21715096
Kek

>>21715096
pretty based
nothing wrong with them desu

>>21715059
Very good because it made me laugh.
You are just as autistic as the stinky sneaker guy, but in a much more convivial way. Unstructured blazers are the way to go.

>>21715059
There is middle ground. I will say that it is better to be dressed to the 9’s than “seven year old Reebok’s” but I have a feeling you are an autist too. Overdressing is such a thing and should be saved for important days in your life. How hard is it for people to get “dressing to the occasion”?

>>21715090
His path is better paved.

>>21711036
Billionaires hate capitalism.

All they want is to become entrenched elites, why would they support a system that they used to destroy the previous entrenched elites?

>>21715096
No fucking way! Actually?

>>21715142
No arguments against this.

>>21715135
Dude everyone is autistic here. This guy is just the yang counterpart to dogshit sneakers yin

>>21715090
Dogshit sneaker anon, is this actually you? If so I am legitimately proud of you for learning something.

>>21714321
>not getting scammed isn't something to brag about

>>21709478
Clothing is probably the stupidest thing you can collect, unless its made out of precious stones, or something.

>>21709425
Kek nigs will pay for this too.

>>21715078
>"Man, if I saw a guy my age dressed like that, my friends and I would just laugh. I'm sorry.", he said
Later that night, as he sat on the couch in his one-bedroom, 400-square-foot "studio" apartment, smoking weed, the thought of the guy he saw earlier crept into his mind. As he took another hit from the joint, he began to feel a sense of regret wash over him. "I could've been somewhere better by now if only I applied myself," he mused. "That's it, starting tomorrow I'm going to take myself more seriously."

However, as quickly as the thought had come, it passed just as fast. He continued to smoke and play the Xbox. letting the rest of the evening slip away into a hazy fog...

>>21715131
>>21715135
>blazer and chinos combo with plain sneaks
>the most basic and non-descript of all casual fits
>is actually being "overdressed"
>"just as autistic as the stinky sneaker guy"

pls

>>21715175
literal high-school mindset you have

>>21715190
>overdressed
Yeah if you need to consult GQ to go out to the bar to watch the game with the boys, that’s not good. I’m referring mainly to the pic of the first two guys posted. Different situations require different levels of attire and it’s possible to be well put together in each one

>>21715158
This. It’s like binary here; you either get smelly hobo look or Waldun going to 101 class.

>>21710989
>who is adolf hitler

>>21715218
> if you need to consult GQ
I don't, it's not something I find to be complicated or requiring constant calibration.

I guess we know where most of this thread falls into

>>21715190
I am autistic too. Fortunately high-functioning so I can fly under the radar as eccentric. You could probably do the same as well if you added some rayon or lyocell shirts to your outfits. Maybe some slate trousers as well. That's just me though.

>>21710023
What? What do you think hookers did?
>Gib money to fuck my pussy
>okay but let me make some bread first
>Hey miller, here's some money so I can buy your flour so I can fuck the hooker's pussy
>Hey farmer, the baker wants to fuck some hooker's pussy and he gave me some money to mill wheat. here's a bit of his cash so I can buy your wheat to turn to flour
>Okay. Hey rancher, the baker wants to fuck some pussy, so here's some money for an ox to till the ground so I can grow some wheat for the miller to turn to flour, so the baker can make some bread.

That's all capitalism is. Each person exchanging their own specialization of labor so that everyone else can benefit. FFS, Adam Smith's Wealth of Nations explains all this.

All marx does is say "LOL nobody needs any money and should do it for FREE!" To which all the laborers tell him to fuck off. If you have nothing to offer, don't leech off the rest of us.

>>21715227
This is how it is with midfuncs. You get what you get.

>>21715246
>gets botulism from unwashed salad bowl

>>21715281
community college ass jabroni

>>21715281
>Any sort of economy or exchange of goods and services == capitalism
Getting tired of this meme.

>>21715246
indeed

>>21715321
I didn't say that did I candy ass?
>>21715289
Know your role and shut your mouth before I lay the smack down on your Karl Marx leeching German ass across the Rhine.

>>21715358
>That's all capitalism is. Each person exchanging their own specialization of labor so that everyone else can benefit
that's where you said it retard, also learn to write proper english on a literature board.

>>21715370
You're so fucking dumb. Have you even read Wealth of Nations?

Let me quote this
>This disposition to contract, barter, and purchase is also the source of the division of labour. In a tribe of hunters or shepherds, one man makes bows and arrows with more ease and dexterity than anyone else; he often exchanges them with his companions for cattle or for venison; and eventually he finds that he can get more cattle and venison •in this way than •by going to the field to catch them. So his own interests are at work in his becoming a sort of armourer, with the making of bows and arrows as his chief business"

Now shut the fuck up.

>>21715358
dude, if you want to make the argument for capitalism always exist and is in a way "ciseconomics" vs socialist economics, the same way cisgender only exist when transgender exist or the raw only exists when cooked become a thing, then you should go back to the beginning of loans when people would loan animals but expect to be repaid with increased flock size to compensate for the new animals born during the loan which today would correspond with the risk free interest rate or whatever.

>>21715387
>hurr durr I make lots of bread and therefore I must give it away because I'm a greedy fuck.
>THATS NOT FAAAIIIIRRRR WWWAHHHHHH I WANT BREAD WITHOUT WORKING!!!! STOP OVERCHARGING ME FOR ME BEING A LAZY PIECE OF SHIT!!!!

Fucking commie.

>>21715396
>ciseconomics
This means absolutely nothing. If you're going to use made up terms, please define it.

And lending money is a profession. Without money lending, there wouldn't be readily available consumption of large goods such as houses. People don't realize how hard it is to actually obtain necessities.

You lend me money to buy a house, and I'll pay you back slowly, but I get a house to live in.

>>21715281
>>21715289
>>21715321
>>21715358
>>21715370
>>21715387
>>21715396
>>21715400
I liked it better when we were talking about shoes which was somehow more on topic. This exchange is like the dogshit that the sneaker autist steps in

>>21715387
Where does it says that's capitalist dumbass, just because Adam Smith talks about it doesn't mean it's the definition of it.

>>21715425
did you even read what i wrote dude? i was trying to help you actually address the marxist definition of capitalism which isn't really about the exchange of goods and services.

>>21709461
How do they read books but still don't get that it's corporatism?

>>21709425
>late capitalist
What is that?

sneakers are shit

>>21710001
Hope, mostly

>>21710039
Non binary gender schemes have existed in various cultures for thousands of years. This is a retarded take and you should feel bad that mindless political commentary has rotted your brain.

>>21716493
Wrong, you stupid nigger. Are you talking about the eunuch roman priests that were a laughingstock to be gawked at during festivals? The eunuchs in the Hindus?
Masculinity has been greater or lesser in cultures, but the acceptance of transgenderism is new and it definitely is being well pushed and exploited for profit. There is no greater paypig than a man or woman that is dependent on expensive hormones and surgeries for life.

>>21716493
some shithole indian and african tribe having some cooky belief is not the same as what is happening now.

>>21709425
Anything by Karl Marx

>>21709425
>GIVE ME A PRODUCT I CAN CONSOOM ABOUT WHY CONSOOMING IS BAD

>>21714339
Ben?

>>21714685
And you can present yourself well wearing moderately priced clothes. My suit for special occasions comes from the second hand store and cost me $5.

>>21716894
> My suit for special occasions comes from the second hand store and cost me $5.
Oomph

>>21716894
>smells like .... piss

my shoes were destroyed so i now use sandals with socks everywhere i go and i have a good social life, cash, and live with my qt gf

you guys talking about shoes sound like failed normies trying hard

>>21716894
YOU HAVE UNLOCKED A NEW 4CHAN UNLOCKABLE DUE TO "$5 suit"

Your username is now The Accused.

>>21716965
I have all those things plus a few good pair of shoes. You can get a pair of shoes for $100 that are fine

>>21716117
because corporatism as an actual term means something else entirely.
you mean crony capitalism which is an inherent feature of capitalism, you can't get rid of the crony.
'smaller' government just gives more power to oligarchical corporations.
i would say that smaller companies should be restricted far less while larger companies should be restricted far more. if you want to actually promote competition. otherwise economies of scale would still destroy smaller companies, no matter the level of free market.
another issue is republics with piss poor representation. much easier to lobby individuals than it is to lobby an entire populace.
decentralization > centralization.

>>21715281
>All marx does is say "LOL nobody needs any money and should do it for FREE!"
where

>>21717070
Capital 1 Chapter 10 Length of the Working Day
"We started with the supposition that labour-power is bought and sold at its value. Its value, like that of all other commodities, is determined by the working-time necessary to its production."

https://www.marxists.org/archive/marx/works/1867-c1/ch10.htm

The commodities comprising labour power are arbitrary remember?

Also in 8
>Just as a change in the value of the means of production, even after they have commenced to take a part in the labour-process, does not alter their character as constant capital, so, too, a change in the proportion of constant to variable capital does not affect the respective functions of these two kinds of capital. The technical conditions of the labour-process may be revolutionised to such an extent, that where formerly ten men using ten implements of small value worked up a relatively small quantity of raw material, one man may now, with the aid of one expensive machine, work up one hundred times as much raw material. In the latter case we have an enormous increase in the constant capital, that is represented by the total value of the means of production used, and at the same time a great reduction in the variable capital, invested in labour-power. Such a revolution, however, alters only the quantitative relation between the constant and the variable capital, or the proportions in which the total capital is split up into its constant and variable constituents; it has not in the least degree affected the essential difference between the two.

I mean this is pretty basic Marxism. The fact that fuckwad doesn't realise that Kazza's central point is quite real………well there's no reasoning with idiots.

You should have known this already, that it is implicit in the historically (ie: politically) determined price of labour power and the diminution of variable capital compared to constant capital.

>>21709540
But private contracts are the literal basis of any free market. If you think people should have individual liberty to participate in contracts, by what principle can you oppose credit? Oh right, the Austrian school of economics is just straight up retarded, I almost forgot.

>>21710001
Following war or the settling of new land, capitalism and free markets are wondrous because there is sufficient room for new enterprises. Once land becomes settled and claimed, and markets become fully saturated, everything becomes financialized and monetized and anti-competitive practices become more and more important rather than innovation or creativity.

>>21717137
Need to read more about primary enclosure in world systems, particularly the long term scales of resistance as a frictional cost.

>>21717137
Whoa there buddy, you should lay off the anti-semitism there. (I’m joking of course, you make a fine point and your anti-semitism is fully justified)

No one's said Capitalist Realism yet, so I'll say it, RIP Fisher, we needed you.

>>21711317
Although everyone dodged this bait, I'll take it as a nice exercise...
I think OP's image of the expensive shoe is an apt illustration of the absurdity of our society, and that merely pointing out that "it's just a choice" to buy or not to buy luxury items, misses the point. From the perspective of a potential buyer, yes, the mere existence of these items does not affect you in the slightest. But no one is just a consumer. We are also sellers in the market. The infuriating thing is the thought that whoever owns the Jordan brand can make 1 (one) pair of shoes and sell it for one thousand dollars, while at the same time, a teacher say, is selling their services for a pittance, even while everyone generally agrees that their work is more important than fancy sneakers.
It's frustrating to live in a society where self-evident, universal human values don't factor into the actual running of our affairs. We all agree that our lives and our dignity is worth more than luxuries and amusements, but the price tags disagree. And there's no recourse, the market is this faceless monolith. No one to complain to. It's a race to the bottom between you and me for the scraps, while the speculation in the housing market races to the moon again, like 2008 never happened.
So yeah. I don't care about anyone "making a choice to buy" anything, I wanna know why they can sell their shoes for 1k, and why can't I sell my labor for 1k a day. a week, even.

Also, thank you for that incredible spelling of "autonomy"

>>21714484
virgin moment

>>21717211
I wouldn’t disagree with your argument but would suggest that in addition to what you describe (a misallocation of priorities, if I’m interpreting you correctly), it also represents a misallocation of resources, both physical and human. The people, equipment and raw materials required to churn out luxury products could well be used to produce food, medicines, industrial equipment, what have you, which is to say things that have actual value beyond simple luxury items that are of little or no real value. Formerly Chuck’s.

>>21714906
>>21714919
>>21714964

>>21716894
> My suit for special occasions comes from the second hand store and cost me $5.
This isn't "moderately priced", it's straight-up hobo tier.

>>21717253
right, well said. Of course if The People™ were sovereign and could collectively dictate their priorities, a more sane allocation of resources would naturally follow.

>>21717281
Hear hear. I propose that you and I form a committee of two and through our collective wisdom allocate resources specifically and uniquely to things we believe are of value to the people, for the benefit of the people, but without the need to consult the people or apply any sort of mechanism that might enable the people to choose or select what they themselves prefer, like some sort of market of sorts. Purely for the collective good of the people, of course. Their interests are of paramount importance, but their input is not at all required. They’ll have the two of us working hard on their behalf.

>>21717279
Dérélicte is so in right now.

>>21716894
Some of the best bait I’ve seen recently

>>21717299
The soviet approach, huh? Nah, I'm more of a syndicalist.

>>21717262
Is that Mick Fleetwood drinking an entire bottle of OceanSpray Cran-Raspberry juice?

>>21717312
Well then you’ve just made an enemy for life. I spit in your general direction.

>>21717300
Masterpiece film

>>21717178
If you use esoteric language, you fail to communicate. Speak plainly or not at all. If you are referring to the fact that as industry is established there is an increase in efficiency and as such a proliferation of commodities, you would be correct, but for a man to thrive, he needs more that commodities, he needs to be bought into the system, to have stakes in the system, to hold either land or stock. This becomes increasingly difficult for a higher and higher percentage of the population as the ownership of real assets become centralized to fewer and fewer hands.

>>21717411
I too am sorry you're stupid and under read.

>need
You're misusing this word, time to start with the greeks.

>>21709425
Goycord dot gee gee slash CYxjHD6w

>>21717431
Let me take a wild guess, you're autistic, aren't you, anon?

>>21717447
Sadly no, I've just actually read the major texts. You'll want to read Bentham given your disgusting tastes, Mill, Marx, Wallerstein.

>>21717453
So instead of actually supporting your former post with actual argumentation, you simply state "go read this". A clear indication that you are a nitwit and incapable of actually comprehending the material, otherwise you would constructively reproduce the material and actually contribute to the conversation.

>>21717467
>wont read
>>>/lit/

Enjoy your engineering degree.

>>21717513
>Goes on a discussion board
>Won't discuss
Enjoy being retarded

>>21709425
Mein Kampf

>>21717554
You're misusing terms basic to the domain, mate. I gave you the list of how to climb out. Put some fucking effort in child.

>>21714851
My shoes are even worse than this. I still wear the same ones I bought at a thrift store 10 years ago, and they're covered in black asphalt sealer stains from a couple years ago. Before that I only wore Crocs.

>>21709463
Ricardo's LTV > Marx's LTV

>>21717576
You have contributed nothing whatsoever, you literally don't even explain your inane comments beyond "muh Greeks" or "read Bantham". Also, you accuse me of misusing "need" without explaining why, and then say I "need" to read this or that. Your posts are just a mess, "mate".

>>21714897
>I mean, you brush teeth and groom yourself before you go out - why stop short of the next logical step?
People do this? I only do that in the morning.

>>21710989
They never had a good arugment against keynes and keynesianism.

lmao

>>21717601
Marx having introduced social-necessity, average productivity, and a bunch of other modifiers and conditions isn't really a labour theory, which is why he invents labour-power as a category, apart from that term being in use by practicing employers and owners of capital in his age. (Probably a primitive way of talking about skill margins, or industrial power based dirt and danger money).

>>21709458
>>21709461
More like nigger cattle herding.
WHIP THAT NIGGER CATTLE
THEY EAT AND THEY SHIT THEY EAT AND THEY SHIT
Is this hard to understand? Are you struggling to understand this you stupid nigger ape faggot? Think you're smart with your books, retarded ape nigger? I have divine intellect.

>>21714010
It can only be done in small villages. When you try to scale human civilization it just isn't natural.

>>21717211
>Fisher

Cringe and Low Iq

>>21717610
No. he ruined it.

fuck off.


rather look for someone that can actually improve ricardos ltv.

no, marx doesn't count.

kys

>>21717211
Based. The luxury price shows that the profits of society are funneled too narrowly to too few people so that those who earn capital incomes have ludicrous amounts of disposable income while essential workers barely make enough to scrape by.

>>21717680
what kind of shoes do you wear?

>>21715246
>The Game

>>21717781
Functional ones I got at a thrift store

>>21717949
So like, loafers?

>>21717949
>Functional
there's that word again

> I got at a thrift store
...

>>21714321
I would brag about that if I could. I typiclaly pay like $150 for shoes that barely last a year. Goddamn pavement eating all my goddamn shoes!

>>21709425
Here are a few books that explore the absurdity of late capitalist society:

"The Society of the Spectacle" by Guy Debord - This influential book argues that modern society is dominated by a "spectacle," or a system of images and representations that serve to reinforce capitalist ideology and alienate individuals from their own experiences and desires.

"The Conquest of Bread" by Peter Kropotkin - This anarchist classic advocates for a society based on mutual aid and cooperation, rather than individual competition and greed.

"Infinite Jest" by David Foster Wallace - This postmodern novel explores the absurdities of contemporary American culture, including the obsession with entertainment and the ways in which technology shapes our experiences.

"Capitalist Realism" by Mark Fisher - This book argues that neoliberal capitalism has colonized our imaginations, making it difficult to imagine alternatives to the status quo and reinforcing the belief that there is no alternative to capitalism.

"No Logo" by Naomi Klein - This book examines the rise of branding and consumer culture in the late 20th century, and its impact on workers, the environment, and democracy.

"Debt: The First 5,000 Years" by David Graeber - This book offers a historical and anthropological perspective on the role of debt and money in human society, and how they have been used to reinforce power structures and perpetuate inequality.

These books offer a range of perspectives on the absurdities and injustices of late capitalist society, and may provide valuable insights for readers seeking to understand and critique the world around them.

>>21709425
welcome to black people

>>21711689
So why does it cost 1,000 dollars, unless they’re adding labor to the production that is materially invisible in the final product?

>>21718065
did you use a communist llm to generate this? or did you use one made by a venture capitalist?

>>21710023
climate change is realn't

>>21717453
> i read text
Lol what a retarded answer
King of the midwits take

>>21718065
ChatGPT?

>>21715347
fuck

.

>>21718138
yeah dont look up

>>21715287
You buy botox injections for facelift
I get botox for free from salad bowl
We are not the same

>>21717323
It sure is!

>>21718138
Weather says otherwise

>>21718920
volcano erupts in 2022 and utterly fucks up the southern hemisphere. a year later the same problems start happening in the northern hemisphere. you ask whats going on and some faggot claims its because humans burnt coal in the 1700s so you need to let them spray silver dioxide into the clouds and to pay for that you need to pay for every breath you take. you believe them, because you are easily tricked by simple words and phrases.

climates do change, but man man climate change, as in the politically influenced narrative, as in your car and house heater and eating meat so voluntarily lower your standard of living so we can sell those cars and eneregy and food to india and china isnt.

>>21709425
The industiral soceity and its future

>>21709425
I wouldn’t pay 1k to own mike jordan as a slave

>>21709425
>be young
>obsess over capitalism v communism
>finally get a decent job
>realize how easy it was after all
>never think of communism again
Just like, grow up already.

>>21717990
>>21718027
What relevance does this have again? Would you like the dimensions of my cranium as well?

>>21716894
post a picture