/lit/ - Literature

Tolkien had little to none inspiration from Norse mythology or Catholicism. Some minor influence, but perhaps 10-20%

The bulk of Tolkien's mythological world was borrowed from Kalevala and this is the scholar opinion too:
>[The Kalevala was] “the original germ of the Silmarillion” (Tolkien Letters, 87)

>Tolkien wrote that The Story of Kullervo was ‘the germ of my attempt to write legends of my own’, and was ‘a major matter in the legends of the First Age’; his Kullervo was the ancestor of Túrin Turambar, tragic incestuous hero of The Silmarillion. In addition to being a powerful story in its own right, The Story of Kullervo – published here for the first time with the author’s drafts, notes and lecture-essays on its source-work, The Kalevala, is a foundation stone in the structure of Tolkien’s invented world.

Verlyn Flieger, who wrote that above quotation, is the Professor in the Department of English at the University of Maryland.

Why does /lit/ say that the influence of Kalevala was rather minor, when university professors and academia say contrary things and tell us that the Finnish myths and national epics of Finland formed the very backbone of Tolkien's mythological world?

Why people say that Tolkien was inspired by other myths/stories when Tolkien himself repeats again and again that The Kalevala of the Finns was his main and fundamental influence and even the topic of numerous academic studies

Researching J.R.R. Tolkien:
How Kalevala influenced his legendarium
http://jultika.oulu.fi/files/nbnfioulu-201804201498.pdf

https://jyx.jyu.fi/bitstream/handle/123456789/41456/URN-NBN-fi-jyu-201305151681.pdf;sequ
J.R.R. Tolkien’s Land of Heroes–
Fëanor, a tragic hero of Middle-Earth in
comparison to Seppo Ilmarinen from the Kalevala

University of Jyväskylä
Department of Languages
English

What J.R.R. Tolkien Really Did with the Sampo?
Jonathan B. Himes
https://dc.swosu.edu/cgi/viewcontent.cgi?article=1342&context=mythlore

+50 other numerous academic studies.

So next time, give credit where its due: the Kalevala and Finnish mythology. Not norse myths. Not English myths or Catholicism. Finns and the great Finnish nation.

>>21713538
The original söyifiers would be the romance novel writers of the late 18th century, and other Enlightenment period literature which appealed to the masses.

Respect the Finns, honestly.

>>21713546
Jämpti

>>21713546
is spurdo in lord of the rings?

>>21713538
Why should you care? You're a pleb like the rest of them and likely just as vulgar as a funko pop collector.

>>21713538
Tolkien just needs some minor editing to bring him up to date with modern sensibilities.
The draconic Smaug needs to be touched up as a gay Nazi draco-state supremacist.
The dwarf band must be replaced with an all elf maiden femdom crazed troupe of nymphomaniacs intent on enslaving him.
Bilbo was kidnapped to be the bait to lure Smaug into their merciless clutches ... meanwhile his sidetracked quest in Moria would see him meet a succubus with a sweet disposition who really just wants to formally settle down with a ring on her finger...
Etc.

>>21714173
hot!

>>21713546
Dammit, they win one war against the unprepared Soviets who blundered into their territory and the next thing you know they start getting uppity.

>>21713538
can i report this for being an extremely low quality post or nah?

>>21713538
>copy abrahamic and pagan mythology
>apply it to a fantasy setting
bravo Tolkien

>>21713538
nah, he wasn't

>>21713546
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>>21714058
please explain picrelated

>>21715897
>not asking the kinky revisionist pornoposter to explain it

>>21716005
This is a strictly Finnish query

>>21713538
LotR as Tolkien envisioned

>>21713538
>Was Tolkien the original söyifier of culture to appeal to modern audiences?
This board just keeps getting worse and worse. Christ.

>>21713538
Yes and you can tell by the fervency with which nerds leap to defend him

>>21717034
Unironically it was a miscegenation story in the first place. There‘s no firm basis to delineate this from elves x humans or the cath x prot irl experience he based it on.

>>21713546
Don't you ever get tired of doing this?

>>21713538
post chin

>>21715897
It's a spurdo parody of a famous painting called Aino-Taru by Akseli Gallen-Gallela, depicting Väinämöinen trying to capture Jouhakainen's sister Aino, after he had promised her hand to Väinämöinen when Jouhakainen lost a singing (it's magic singing) competition against Väinämöinen. Aino doesn't want to be married off to Väinämöinen and prefers death over an unwanted marriage. She drowns herself in a lake and appears as a water-maiden after she gets caught by Väinämöinen's fishing hook while she is transformed into a fish. In this famous painting, she escapes from Väinämöinen while mocking his ignorance of the fact that he had caught his former wife-to-be.

The spurdo parody's caption says:
>For fuggs sage Väiski :D dhese are my fishes :DDDD
implying that the spurdo-Aino had taken spurdo-Väinämöinen's catch while claiming it as her property, and thrown them back into the lake.

>>21718210
Akseli Gallen-Kallela*

>>21713538
Yes, he basedified not just European paganism, but Wagner's Ring too.