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>>21704185
he was but rejected it later on. You would know if you actually read any of his books that he despised freemasonry later on

>>21704264
>he despised freemasonry later on
listen if he was a mason Im not reading him
any proof to this shit?

because he's sus as fuck right now and Im not gonna read him if he was a masonic fag

>>21704288
You already said "I see that he was a freemason", so I guess you should just not bother with him, since you've definitely got it all figured out.

Check this out

https://evolaasheis.wordpress.com/2016/04/14/the-relationship-between-judaism-and-freemasonry/

>>21704303
>You already said "I see that he was a freemason",
i didnt say that
OP did

fuck off traveling man

>>21704185
Was this fag collecting memberships to various clubs?

>>21704264
>You would know if you actually read any of his books that he despised freemasonry later on
Interesting. In what book does he touch on this topic?

>>21704325
This is the actual answer. That's how he found out Theosophy was evil retarded bullshit. He repudiated it all later on.

>>21704342
well, I was actually thinking of his "against Blavatsky" which is rather against the theosophists, but I wager many of his arguments apply to freemasonry as well

in either case, he abandoned freemasonry and became a sufist.

>>21704382
>well, I was actually thinking of his "against Blavatsky"
what's this? where can I read it?

>>21704185
This guy was a freemason who betrayed his race by mixing with an arab woman, his house in Cairo was literally given to him as a gift by a wealthy jew. This so called "Traditionalism" is the biggest subversion which happened to the dissident right.

>>21704416

>>21704416
>p-please stop reading Guénon and Evola, goys
Kill yourself leftcuck shill

>>21704314
YEAH FUCK OFF TRAVELLING MAN!!!!!!

>>21704201
Is that supposed to be a bad thing?

>>21704416
>his house in Cairo was literally given to him as a gift by a wealthy jew
lmfao, source for this?

>>21704308
masonry is good but the British took over

>>21704201
Cumdrinker
DAily reminder to filter ALL tripniggers

>>21704416
>tradition = race
fuck off

>>21704325
Nothing wrong with that.
>It is the mark of an educated mind to be able to entertain a thought without accepting it.

>>21704288
If you don't read masons what does that even leave?

His face looks like it was drawn by a 6 year old.

>>21704658
>>21705705
Don’t reply to tripfags. We’re anonymous for a reason desu

Nigga the traditionalist school had masonic/Rosicrucian leanings since day 1, Evola, Blavatsky, Manly Palmer Hall and other authors who have written about esoteric stuff were all influenced by freemasonry in some way or another.

>>21706645
Neville Goddard

>>21706811
>bro just hypnotise yourself to SUCCESS bro that's the real meaning of the Bible

>>21704288
Nobody cares if you read him or you dont, qtard faggot.

>>21704201
>nietzsche
An interesting pipeline for one who spouts p*pist niggerbabble but unsurprising nonetheless.

>>21706759
What's the deal with the Rosicrucians? Are they just a bunch of NWO fags like the Freemasons seem to be? I'd be interested in learning more from/about some sort of esoteric schools but it seems (at least in their modern forms) that they are all subverted/compromised by New Agers and special interests, at least as far as I can tell. Also, would anyone be able to point me in the direction of some literature where I could learn more about Hermeticism as opposed to New Age and what the differences are (assuming that they are different). I don't know much about any of this stuff but would like to learn more

>>21707191
>Also, would anyone be able to point me in the direction of some literature where I could learn more about Hermeticism
Copenhaver's Hermetica. Also some excellent youtube channels that talk about Hermeticism and Neoplatonism are Lets Talk Religion, The Modern Hermeticist and Esoterica.

>>21707245
Thank you, I'll check all of those out

>>21704185
How was he a freemason

>>21707320
is literally on his wikipedia
>Following his desire to join a regular Masonic obedience, he became a member of the Thebah Lodge of the Grande Loge de France following the Ancient and Accepted Scottish Rite.

>>21706759
>lavatsky, Manly Palmer Hall
Not trads even remotely

>>21707191
The true Rosicrucians are Hermetic Masters and deserve the utmost respect. They are underground and work towards the reconstruction of spirituality in the West and will be there when the time comes. The RCs out in the open/famous that everyone knows about are fakes, some of them are probably evil or working for evil (counter-Tradition), at best they are naïve new agers.

The old aristocracy mixed with jewish elements practiced degenerated forms of sex magic which is evil/unenlightened, some of them probably call themselves Rosicrucians. "Rosicrucian" orders are present in top levels of Freemasonry to recruit people, presumably almost none of them are Hermetic Masters possessing the true "arcana arcanorum".

You could also look into the Martinists. I've read that the real RCs passed their knowledge down through them, they are more obscure and more esoteric than Freemason LARPers. Looks up the OMS Martinist youtube channel for some good intro videos.

>>21707245
Entry level/academic. Evola's Hermetic Tradition actually explains what it is (not just some obscure past religion with concepts to be remembered). Real Hermeticism is initiatic in the strict Traditionalist sense of the word.

>>21704416
whoever made this image is the perfect argument for anti-natalism

>>21707795
>Evola's Hermetic Tradition
As Hermetic as the Kybalion.

>>21707844
How so? What did he get wrong?

The Kybalion presents some actual esoteric knowledge known by real initiates (people who have reached various stages of immortality), the problem is it just writes them out like a college prof would on the screen to be remembered, not experienced and lived (the point of initiation) so it is basically pointless.

But Evola's work on Hermeticism is completely different, I don't think you've even read any of it.

>>21707997
>How so? What did he get wrong?
He is uninitiated. He is currently living the life of a chink.

>>21708089
Who?

>>21706759
Evola is the only one out of that list who had nothing but bad things to say about freemasonry.

>>21704416
>>21704572
In the 1920's and 30's, zionists in the british government promoted religious extremism in palestine to prevent arabs in the region from flocking to ethnic nationalism.

>>21704382
he didn't say anything against freemasonry in any of his books. the only 'against freemasonry' stuff is from secondary sources who lived with him in Cairo (like Martin Lings). in his private letters, you see him defending Freemasonry until 2-3 years before his death.

but maybe he did reject it before his death, who tf really knows?

>>21708445
He said modern Freemasonry was subverted by dark forces (counter-Tradition?) but believed it could be rectified. Evola thought it was completely gone.

>>21704185
>another guenon and evola thread
So tiresome.
Yes he was a freemason, and so was the sheikh who initiated him into sufism, it was common for egyptian sufis to also be freemasons back then, he also wrote a book on freemasonry, he never denounced freemasonry, and as opposed to evola believed the judaic/hebraic/kabbalistic influence to be a western thing, and good thing. Guénon basically in his works subordinates latin or greco-roman tradition, to the judeo-hebrew one, hebrew > latin, hebrew > greek, french martinism is full of "cabbalah" and similar things, the (((french))) occultist circles he associated with were judaizers plain and simple, guénon does in fact support a sort of "semetic" "abrahamic" supremacy in his works, he absolutely wouldve been the sort of person to say instead of using "jesus" we should use yeshua or yahweh. Sufism is essentially identical to Kabbalah, mind you. If you are not interested in this "anti-greco-roman" perspective, and you want to remain a true muh "tradishun" larper than your only option is the jeets.
Mind you, Guénon never recognized hermetic alchemy as a legitimate whole tradition in itself, not that he was even qualified in this matter, or that he ever even read or wrote anything on the subject.
He does infact echo throughout his works the point of view of a sort of "abrahamic-oriental supremacy" even in the temporal and civilizational sense.

Joseph de Maistre was also a freemason AND a jesuit.

It begs the question, are conservatards the actual Illuminati?

>>21708484
yeah but you said he 'despised' it, which isn't quite true. he may have 'despised' the 1717 founding of UGLE and it's consequences, but still believed certain lodges were an authentic initiatory organization.

personally, idk what to make of the whole thing because Charles Upton said that Martin Lings told him that Guenon renounced Freemasonry in his last years.

>>21708608
de Maistre disavowed Freemasonry in the end (too)
Evola writes about this somewhere

>>21708724
where did Martin Lings claimed this?

>>21708741
Vectors of the Counter-Initiation by Charles Upton
I think he talks about it in an interview too

>>21708600
Why would you speculate about what someone would want you to call Yehotsuba? Is this a topic of concern for you in your day to day?

>>21704382
>well, I was actually thinking of his "against Blavatsky" which is rather against the theosophists, but I wager many of his arguments apply to freemasonry as well
What a fucking retard. "against Blavatsky" is the name of an article written by the theosophical website in response to Guénon's actual book Theosophy: History of a Pseudo-Religion. You just searched "Guenon theosophy' on google and that website came first so you thought that the book was named "against Blavatsky". Thank you for proving that you never read Guénon. You should be ashamed of yourself.

>>21708755
No I have read him, I've read "The Essential René Guenon". You are correct in that I've never read whatever "against Blavatsky" was a response to, but the essential has several excerpts where he detracts that tradition, in my memory. The problem is I don't recall which books those excepts were from.

But going to the thread, I see that my impression of his stance on freemasonry was exaggerated but not unjustified.
If what >>21708724 says is correct.

If you want a personal opinion I'd say freemasonry like all religions/traditions has become infiltrated pretty severely but still has good people amongst its ranks as well to help keep the original doctrines alive.

rule nr 1. don't believe anyone who makes points about Guénon or Evola without quoting them or at least mentioning the source.

>>21704416
>This so called "Traditionalism" is the biggest subversion which happened to the dissident right.
people who make these claims are usually just salty they got filtered by metaphysics talk, and were likely crypto-leftoids all along.

btw unrelated but related...
Bataillefag annoyed me to such a degree last year that I decided to read him. Baitaille is like the worst version of a leftist Nietzschefag possible, maybe with the exception of Anton Lavey. At least Lavey was funny. A lot of Bataille's shit was just "notice me Nietzsche senpai!!!1" cringe

Guenon mogs him

I still stand by this post:
>>/lit/thread/S20644881#p20645052

>>21708950
>Bataillefag annoyed me to such a degree last year that I decided to read him
how tsundere of you

>>21706759
Why are all these trads associated with pro-enlightenment societies?