/lit/ - Literature

>>21701124
just be yourself

Hey fish how do I catch you?

>>21701124
fake it till ya make it

>>21701124
Why do you think you can't get a gf?

>>21701124
The “be yourself” advice doesn’t work for men born defective, which is the entire population of this e-sewer.
OP I suggest following a strict diet of shotgun pellets to ease the pain.

>>21701124
The younger they are the easier it is to manipulate them. So I suggest going after a child girl. Look for them online and message them something innocent and keep the innocent act while giving them innocent instructions to make them used to you, then after awhile you can trick them into having a relationship with you.

>>21701124
Don’t ask a fish how to catch, anon.

You need to focus on becoming “high value” - whatever that happens to be for your desired social or economic class of female. While doing that, practice socializing with women and being comfortable in their presence. You can do that by entering some kind of social club, being a part time student, joining a church, taking classes, etc.
It also goes without saying that you should quit porn, otherwise you’ll never be able to move past seeing women as walking flesh lights. You have to at least entertain the idea of wanting know their personalities. Likewise, you have to be willing to take on the responsibility of a social relationship - giving and receiving - much like giving attention to and maintaining a pet. If it’s not done properly, or done half-heartedly, then girls will lose interest, mistreat you back, or cheat.

The reason you don’t have a girlfriend is NOT and almost NEVER a result of genetics or physical appearance, but of how you make girls FEEL. If you repulse them with your personality, whether creepy or pathetic, this will send them scattering, as it is an indication of unhealthiness. Face this problem head on with practicing friendships with women. Millions of average and even ugly men land relationships with attractive women simply because they are likable or have status.

Above all, you have to sit down and really ask yourself if this is what you want. It’s something that takes effort, and if you haven’t already tried very hard, then maybe you’re not being honest with yourself. You’ve got to decide what your priority is here: love or sex. A relationship or pleasure.

>>21701197
nice self own

>>21701124
>Any good lit on how to get a gf?

The Agony of Eros (Untimely Meditations)

Here anon, read this and become a medical doctor. I only date rich men.

>>21701124
I am 27, and have never had a girlfriend, but I have had girls asking me to be their boyfriend, twice. (I rejected them.)
The answer is: be one of their fantasies.
In the first case I was starting high school, and was the "lone, mysterious yet attractive guy who reads books and doesn't talk to anybody". I am also 'white', in Latin-America. Some girls got obsessed. One of them even came in front of my house in the middle of the night and sent me a message asking to meet me. No joke! Thinking back, I should have accepted it. Would have been an interesting experience...
In the second case I was already in my last year in uni, and played the "well-spoken, well-read, polyglot intellectual" type (which corresponds rather faithfully to who I am), and the girl happened to be interested in such types.

In neither case I was playing a part. I was just being myself, indeed. Maybe your self is unattractive to women, or maybe you simply do not live near women who are attracted to people like you.

are all men inherently betas if they all have to prove themselves worthy to a female?

>>21701252
'beta' is a meme.

>>21701249
>I rejected them
Why? Don't say some shit like "I'm too devoted to my studies" because I know that's a lie

>>21701213
This guy is 100% right. Women aren't visual or sex oriented like men, it's all about emotions for us.

>>21701124
>how to get a gf?
Just be an Italian

>>21701272
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>>21701272
Listen here little baby. You're gonna get a lot of hurtful and degrading comments, but that ain't what I'm about. Let me just say, you are perfect the way you are. You hear me sugar? PERFECT. Don't ever change. You deserve anything and everything you want. Stay safe for me, baby girl.
>mfw thinking of you hurting

>>21701272
ywnbaw

Everyone in this thread is a woman.

>>21701249
>literally describe yourself as a stock character, a compounded stereotype of tropes
>In neither case I was playing a part. I was just being myself
So which is it?

>>21701124
Idk anon I stay inside and read books. Maybe pick a less autistic hobby? Propinquity is a major component of human sexual choice afaik, but I also learnt that from a comedy author who writes about farcically failing and unwanted romantic engagements, so ymmv

>>21701249
I am 27 and my last proper girlfriend was 8 years ago. Girls are naturally attracted to me because I am white, blonde hair, blue eyes, and I can grow a long ginger beard in a short time. Yet, yet, after the initial attraction 99 % of women hate my guts. I come off too stiff, and there is some subliminal spitefulness and hatred women catch on. They are not wrong, but because of this I am stuck in a vicious cycle to never receive the love of a woman which makes me in return more bitter, cold and spiteful. It makes me nuts how many chances I could have if it weren't for my broken psyche.

>>21701313
:3

>>21701381
sux to be u lol

>>21701294
>chooses the worst girl
that's an Italian alright

>>21701381
You are perfect just the way you are, Anon.
Best wishes from Anon. <3

>>21701213
>You need to focus on becoming “high value”
It's funny to me that in the PUAcel mind this can man anything from self-improooovement to essentially borrowing money to dress in sexcore clothes from Zara to attract low tier scene gold diggers, but the end result is still indistinguishable from Jestermaxxing

>>21701381
>blonde hair

>>21701381
I can relate. All I can say is that you have face that with exposure, and earnestly try to form a friendship with a woman. You have to find a way to let go and release that anger and frustration, express it somehow (non-criminally of course), otherwise it will continue to eat you up inside and women will ALWAYS be reviled by you once they sense it.

To be free from obsessive hatred, you have to look at what events made you feel that rage. Then you have to be honest about what happened and about reality. Then you let it go and move on.

>>21701313
>men are more likely to list it as a "graphic novel" while women will list it as "manga"
THEY KNOW

>>21701264
They weren't my type. I can fuck any decently looking girl, but when it comes to a relationship I need someone who is extremely similar to me, because I am quite a disagreeable person, and get annoyed easily.

>>21701338
You do not understand.
I was being myself, but the girls were interpreting me as part of those stereotypes which they fantasize about.
Any person will fall into some kind of stereotype. What a man who is successful with women does is that he falls into precisely those stereotypes they find attractive.

>>21701381
>Yet, yet, after the initial attraction 99 % of women hate my guts. I come off too stiff, and there is some subliminal spitefulness and hatred women catch on

I have some of that too, but you need to develop some ability at conversation. You need to know what to say and what not to say.
I find it very hard to empathize with social causes (either left or right), so as soon as a conversation shifts into political stuff, I mention animal rights, because that's the one major political "cause" I am sentimentally attracted to. Then I can talk with genuinely love for my dogs and they will detect this.

Look up AlphaMaleStrategies on YouTube

>>21701213
>The reason you don’t have a girlfriend is NOT and almost NEVER a result of genetics or physical appearance, but of how you make girls FEEL.
This is like saying the reason you didn't get hired at CERN is NOT because you are a high school dropout with no credentials and no CV, but because you didn't make them FEEL you fully understand bosons

Thanks to dating apps, 90% of relationships among young people today begin with a woman swiping right on someone. At that phase, she has no idea who you are and doesn't care. Her primary sorting criterion at that point is basic attractiveness. See pic related for how that goes. Women rate 80% of men as below average. This is old data, it's even worse now (more in next post).

>>21701475
The top 10% of men get 58% of women's likes in online dating

Online dating app Hinge works similarly to Tinder, but was designed with the intent of creating a more equitable and better functioning dating market. However, even on Hinge, evidence for female hypergamy is overwhelming. The distribution of likes women provide is heavily skewed such that 16.4% of their likes go to the top 1% of men, 41.1% of their likes go to the top 5% of men, 58% of their likes go to the top 10%, and 95.7% of their likes go to the top 50%. This means that only 4.3% of their likes go to the entire bottom 50% of men. Thus a top 1% man will receive 190x times more likes as a man who is in the bottom 50%.

This suggests that women easily reach a very strong consensus on which men are attractive, which detracts from the notion that "beauty is subjective." It also suggests that if you are a below average man, the odds of receiving any significant number of likes at all or success is quite small.

Men like 61.9% of female profiles, women like only 4.5% of male profiles
Researchers conducted a field experiment on Tinder using 24 fictitious Tinder profiles in multiple cities in Flanders, the Northern, Dutch speaking region of Belgium. These profiles only differed on education level. They then collected and analyzed data on 3,600 profile evaluations to evaluate the extent to which education played a role in matching or dating on the app.

To ensure the pictures they used for the profiles were similar in attractiveness, they scored 32 (16 male, 16 female) pictures on Amazon Mechanical Turk and selected 8 pictures (4 male, 4 female) that 493 workers on MTurk judged to be similar in level of attractiveness. Then to ensure an even more fair evaluation, they attached to each picture three different education levels in three different cities.

They swiped to like 150 times for each profile, then collected data. Overall, men liked or superliked 61.9% of their female profiles. On the other hand, women only liked 4.5% of the male profiles. Men started a conversation with the female profiles 42.3% of the time, while women only initiated conversations 6.2% with the male profiles.

The Tinder study also found some evidence for hypergamy, which, they report, matched findings from other online dating studies, namely women tended to visit more educated men than themselves about twice as often and less educated men only half as often compared to someone of equal educational status. They also found that, contrary to the popular notion that men are "intimidated" by highly educated women, a woman's education level did not significantly change a man's swiping behavior. It was ultimately found that Tinder users do not engage in educationally assortative mating patterns as similarly educated people were not more likely to match, rather there was only evidence for the existence of female hypergamy.

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>>21701421
I faced it once a couple years ago when I lived in a student dorm and was enrolled in university. Now I barely see people and am despised or laughed at almost anywhere I go. I know that there is something wrong with me, yet I cannot break out of this curse. A couple years ago I thought I broke out but now it feels like everything is worse. I know all the causes and solutions IN THEORY and FROM EXPERIENCE in the past, yet I cannot overcome it all a second time. Like I blocked to access that same state of bliss.

>>21701463
>but you need to develop some ability at conversation
I mastered the art of talking and conversing, it is more that once I feel afraid all goes down the drain and women (and men but they care less) feel afraid and hate me. I can ramble and talk par excellence at this point, but the feeling I convey creeps them out. I am ashamed to admit but I hate my mother and father and I would not care much if something bad happened to them. I have no empathy for the and I would be joyful if they would be gone, especially my mother. A couple months ago my mom visited me (I live in another country) and while she stayed in my apartment I could tell she was very afraid to fuck anything up in the slightest. Honestly if she stayed longer it would've been a newspaper article.

>>21701480

>>21701478
>tinder
>the app for quick hookups

If you don't mind dating uggos, try adding yourself to the rationalist google doc that gets passed around.

>>21701197
QRD on this tripfaggot, what’s his gimmick?
Cum genius is a psychotically insecure spic who posts in all caps, Butterfly exemplified insecure lesbian penis envy, what’s this guy’s thing?

>>21701475
>women only want top 1% gigachads
>somehow there are huge amounts of completely average and below average men in loving relationships
It is so curious that all it takes to debunk incel blackpills is opening ones eyes.
Women rate 80% of men as below average because they are absolutist and binary in terms of sex. Sex for them can result in pregnancy. There is no middle ground of "eh, I could take it or leave it" as there is with men when thinking about fucking a chick. It is either do or don't, so either a 1 or a 5. There are more 1's than 5's, but not all women share the same 1's and 5's.

I am sure the incel blackpillers will take issue with this, and I'll just preempt it with the advice to open your eyes. Most of their conjecture is the sort of shit that is disproven immediately by firsthand experience and common sense.

>>21701511
It's a kind of anti-hero shtick where he is an insufferable giga-faggot but it is secretly for the purpose of making more of us leave this site because he has our best interests at heart.

>>21701480
She's fishing. 24 years old, at an environment where she'll very much be able to find a man above her own station, and she thinks she knows what she wants. She's fishing correctly. Whatever comes into the net is profit. Way better than mingling with people from her extended social circle.

>>21701511
Still indistinct, a few people have been advising him to tighten up his schtick but so far his most consistent traits are 1) he is ornery and contrarian, but often in confused ways, 2) only STEM degrees are worthwhile and reading literature is lame or something, 3) people on 4chan are losers

I think he's still in the testing phases of his persona

>>21701249
I can back this up. I only have had romantic opportunity with females who are sapiosexual to some extent. I met one at my job, wowed her with intellectualism the likes of which she had never seen, and had sex with her in just four days of talking. But it feels like a once in a lifetime opportunity. Most women aren't intelligent and don't appreciate intelligence.

>>21701513
Did you read the post?
>Thanks to dating apps, 90% of relationships among young people today begin with a woman swiping right on someone.
Maybe they would hire me at CERN without an advanced STEM degree in 1682 when the dynamics of patronage were different. But today they are what they are, you will not get past the initial filtering process without a degree unless you are some wild exception to the rule.

Most men aren't even being given a shot to talk to women regularly.

>>21701413
We always lived in a clownworld circus. Its just now that everything has become glaringly apparent.

>>21701513
Women rate 80% of men as below average because sex for us is (usually) not about looks, it's about emotions. We think most of humanity looks like dog crap but we are willing to date people who look like dog crap if their personality or wallet size are good enough.

>>21701571
Yes but if someone gives you 100 pictures of men and asks you to pick which ones you'd like to give a chance to display their personality to you, you'll pick the 3 most handsome and discard the other 97

This is why so many women's profiles on dating apps are complaining about dynamics that frankly just do not exist between normal mortal men and attractive young women. Women's frame of reference is: themselves as automatic 10/10 desirables because they're under 26, dating/flirting/chatting/having drama with "men" (actually 5-10% of men).

The tradeoff is that after 26~ you go to complete shit and your life becomes a living hell if you can't secure a bf or god forbid your LTR breaks down and you have to start from scratch at 29.

>>21701418
Just more A*glo lies

>>21701482
Well, then you do indeed have a problem.
And do not be fooled: women are excellent at noticing those things. If there's something in you that you're trying to hide, they will eventually detect it. Remember most of them have a large pool of men to compare you with, which includes not only their previous partners, but also countless failed suitors.
So you need to solve that before thinking about getting a girlfriend. Sometimes these issues are impossible to solve, however. Maybe some drug can help. I get considerable more affable after drinking wine.

Also, lower your expectations for humanity in general. I realized some time ago that many of my misanthropic tendencies were derived from the fact that I expected every person to be of the same kind as me, and interested in the same books, music, philosophical and scientific topics that I was interested in. Most of humanity, however, prefers to live merely physical lives, focused on food, sex, and superficial pleasures like reality show TV, and there is nothing wrong with that. It's how people are and have always been, and you are in no position to change it, so you might as well accept it and ignore it in the same way you might ignore a slight pain in your back. Once you manage to do that (and I don't claim to have fully achieved it yet), you become way more accepting of other people's stupidity, as you no longer expect them to be any different.

>>21701526
>I only have had romantic opportunity with females who are sapiosexual to some extent

My best dates were always like that, but it's very rare for the woman to *truly* be interested in intellectual matters. Most of them like the image of it, so you shouldn't talk too much about books and philosophy/science, unless the woman is answering back in a similar way.
With an ordinary girl you should above all talk about yourself, and ask her about herself. Try to lead the way, predicting what she will answer and how to use that answer to get to progressively more intimate questions.

>>21701511
>>21701520
>>21701523
I use you as mental punching bags to get corrective feedback on different ideas, some of which I don’t even entirely believe myself.
The rest of it is calling you apathetic conformist morons because that’s what you often are.

>>21701571
>We think most of humanity looks like dog crap
Why feel superior to men if as you said, most humans look bad? Men are also dating those ''dog crap looking women'', but they don't act righteous about it.

>>21701607
>calling you apathetic conformist morons because that’s what you often are
truth

bros...why are woman so superficial and shallow?
they're soulless creatures that can mimic emotions but not understand them

>>21701529
And yet somehow we still end up with a situation where average and below average guys en masse are in relationships.
It's such a simple fact, obvious to anyone with open eyes, and it completely ruins your doomer conjectures about a brutal system of hypergamy where only the top 1% or 10% of men get any.

>>21701803
>a situation where average and below average guys en masse are in relationships.
There are a lot of articles on this lately
https://news.iu.edu/live/news/26924-nearly-1-in-3-young-men-in-the-us-report-having-no

It's also increasing exponentially year over year, and it's also underreported because of normie sampling bias and of course men lying about having more sex than they really have, and on top of all that, they almost always measure "did you have have sex" instead of "are you having what you would consider a reasonable amount of sex." If the latter question were asked instead, the % would be much higher because there are lots of beta men who get laid once or twice a year through constantly attempting and going on dates, which is even more pathetic and desperate than being an incel in a way.

Also, the groups most affected by this are poor men, because of hypergamy, and nonwhites, because they are low status and their own women are race traitors.

>>21701521
>she
If we ever start cloning asexual lifeforms that thing could be used as prototype. The face doesn't show any genuine identity. It's lifeless and insectlike and the comments next to her face are just icing to the cake

>>21701803
>somehow we still end up with a situation where average and below average guys en masse are in relationships.

We don't and they aren't

https://thehill.com/blogs/blog-briefing-room/3868557-most-young-men-are-single-most-young-women-are-not/

>>21701511
He’s a Jewish demoralizer.

>>21701872
it's the emcel phenotype, dead eyes reflect dead soul. women are emotional superconductors and a key part of their normal maturation process is receiving strong, healthy emotions in their first 3 decades of life. first from their family, then from their husband and children. it's like a painting that starts out as a sketch and then gets filled in with beautiful color, they are supposed to be flooded with vibrant glowing color continuously as they grow into adult women, culminating in their children. then they are a beautiful painting that can inspire their children, pouring their natural colorful glow of happiness and health into them.

modern women are deprived of at least the vital second half of this process (the husband/kids), because they stupidly put it off until they're 35-40+, and they are increasingly deprived of even the first part of the process, because they are mostly raised by other women on social media now and receive little loving care and emotional input from their parents. most woman now enter adulthood as just dead, gray etchings where color was supposed to be, with no actual color to fill it out. they are all expectation with no fulfillment.

because they live in a male society built of male institutions and norms, instead of reacting to this trauma (constant emotional malnutrition) normally, they "become men" instead. men are like blueprints, they are meant to be abstract and not colorful, or only use colorful for specific strategic reasons (to indicate topography eg). women are not blueprints, they are etchings waiting to be made into beautiful one of a kind paintings that radiate an aura of self-assurance, inspiring and bringing joy to others in a way that is almost miraculous to the purely abstract, thing- and material-oriented, means-ends calculative male mind. but the uncolored, unfinished etching for women is forced to act AS IF it were a blueprint, and women inevitably live their whole adult lives as shitty, broken versions of men. they go from 20 to 40 wondering why being a bad blueprint of a technical object isn't making them happy like it's making the men around them happy, when they were meant to be bursting with color and basking in the admiration of others by now.

look how much women talk about "glowing," they are meant to be conduits of positive energy that capture the energy and create miraculous free energy nexuses, sustaining everyone around them, giving out more than they took in, an emotional beacon of light, warmth and color in the world. instead they are masculinized: taught to fuck like men (casually) and work like men (emotionlessly, for faroff goals instead of the glowing, ever-present now).

feminine "naivete" is just the unformed/unfinished seed of maternal self-assurance, a wife and mother is supposed to be a font of certainty that the family will persevere forever because her love is forever. but without being able to grow into this, naivete just stagnates and becomes retardation.

>>21701418
Brown hair is basically just a darker shade of blonde, they would prefer dirty blonde to shit-brown.

>>21701418
Depends on the woman

>>21701166
Hey retard, will you take the bait?

>>21701124
First boyfriend: met at school, school/college etc is the easiest place to meet someone and I’m saying this as a girl who is extremely shy. We sat next to each other a few times and eventually started talking more often and realising we had a lot in common.
Second boyfriend/husband: met him whilst I was on holiday; I used a dating app and found him on there. If you’ve tried dating in your home country and not found love then perhaps it’s time to take a trip abroad. Yes, LDR’s suck but for me it was worth it and now I’m married. There’s a decent chance your spouse lives abroad so give it a go and travel somewhere nice.
If you’ve graduated and are too broke to go on holiday, then turn to dating apps or try flirting at work. Work husbands/wives are a real thing and relationships at work begin very, very quickly. Just try not to go for someone who is married.

I don't care if I die a virgin. If they disregarded me when I was down they don't deserve at my best form.
I CHANGE FOR NO ONE.

>>21702150
Most women prefer brown hair. If they had Jake Gyllenhaal and Boris Johnson in front of them, they would prefer Jake.

>>21702144
Cope. They prefer men with brown hair, not fair hair. Jake Gyllenhaal over Boris Johnson.

>>21703127
based and mgtowpilled

>>21701508
Please elaborate on what this "rationalist google doc" is.

>>21701124
>Any good lit on how to get a gf?
Get a wife. Fornication is a sin.

>>21701511
Who cares
I instantly filter tripfags on sight. Never have to read any of their drivel

>>21701482
You probably just have extreme white boy brain which mimicks pyschopathy but is actually extremely attuned to Christian morality and fonds everything else repulsive.

>>21701607
You're alright honestly. Christcuck enjoys it (too lazy to trip)

No matter how good I feel about sorting my life out, it will never make up for my wasted youth

In my experience, hot girls don't read books I like.