/lit/ - Literature

Is good prose the authors sincere voice or is it just what he wants you to read?

>>21694175
Thank you for stopping with the loli header image. It was making me lust after children.

I showed some of my writing to a girl and her only criticism was that it was too aggressive.

I think thats a plus.

heyyyy porro kill yourself

>>21694187
stupid woman

>>21694208
Who? Which author is this and why do you hate him? Let me add it to the lore.

>>21694181
Both of those things could be good. Really depends on the author

>>21694175
Just read a bedtime story to my daughter and kissed her goodnight, now i'm thinking i'll do a little shitposting before i go to bed. How's it going lads?

>>21694389
Slowly progressing in writing a pretty detailed outline. It goes well, but I'm concernedmy characters aren't as impactful as they could be. The romantic interest isn't cute enough, the protagonist isn't interesting enough, the side characters aren't cool enough. Maybe I'll have to develop them more and fixmy outline.

>>21694389
Recently had been switching between a slice of life story and a fantasy story that middles out into sci-fi and cosmic horror in the end.

Was a tiny bit stressful since I wasn't 100% on either of them, but, for now, I think I'll just stick with the slice of life story. Seems interesting. Probably because it's furshit.

>>21693558
https://www.amazon.com/Swim-Pond-Rain-Russians-Writing/dp/1984856022
some anon recommended it

>>21694185
Sure, blame the image.

ChatGPT is pretty good if you ask it to be your "Literary Agent." I'm getting pretty great advice on stuff I've written.

>self-published a book
>0 sales
ah, good to be alive isn't it

I'm going to write a textbook, hopefully shill it to university students to help them study.
I feel like writing the content will take about 4 months.
My worry is in terms of publishing and also for designing the layout and the cover.
I read somewhere that Adobe InDesign is good for designing layouts of books, anyone know anything about this?

>>21694859
What have you done in terms of marketing?

>>21694859
Same. I even lowered my price to $10.
>>21694884
I'm the idiot that bought ads for a mobile footer. Not buying ads but shilling like woolston works better

>>21694884
>What have you done in terms of marketing?
nothing, but its in a segment of the writing market were little to no marketing is needed.
Still disappointed though :(

>>21694923
What segment?
If you don't market I don't see how anyone will know it exists, regardless of the market.

>>21694929
don't worry about it
I'm just ranting, not looking for advice

>>21694905
>Same. I even lowered my price to $10.
I've heard mixed advice about pricing, you know, if someone is willing to pay 15 vs 10 which would you want as a fan?
after 2.99 (were you get the 70% royalty) the pricing is more about the market your book is in and how many sales you need to recoup the costs. idk its all a mystery to me.

>>21694952
People on /lit/ want fantasy novels and classics. Don't bother trying to write a different genre. Fantasy Romance is what people want

Who are some good critics? I need to be more critical. Guys like nabokov.

>>21694175
I'm looking to create a story where the main two cosmic forces are Order and Chaos, with neither being fully good or evil, and all spells are aligned with one or the other. Do you have any suggestions on ways to write that well? As for the magic my characters would use, if it helps, my current idea was that Order magic would work mainly within and strengthening the laws of the universe. For instance, healing magic restoring the subject to a "previous order" as it were, creating new tissue to replace what isn't there, while Chaos magic works by twisting and breaking the normal rules outright, in more obviously supernatural ways, for the desired effect instead of bending them, like healing by causing flesh to twist and regrow in unnatural ways much faster than the body could do it naturally. I just need some help coming up with specialties/strengths for each kind of magic besides maybe Order magic having a harder time with directly destroying things than Chaos magic instead of just simplifying it.

>>21695196
Star wars

>>21695157
>People on /lit/ want fantasy novels and classics.
which is hilarious because nobody can afford to write a "classic" and everybody and their mother is writing free fantasy novels on royalroad

>>21695236
The problem with "classics" is that they often only ever become classics after the author is long dead.

>>21695243
No doubt the future liberal arts curriculum is already in progress on RR's LitRPG forum

>>21695262
I'm surprised that there isn't a req to make a novel and post it online already in every MFA program in the country

>>21695262
You say that with a mocking tone, but many classics were the pulps of their time and were serialized in newspapers.

>>21695243
You aren't supposed to write classics. You are supposed to write something that will not make the reader ashamed of turning the page once again.

>>21695398
True and real.

Can you guys spare me some compium and tell me everything will work out for my novel as long as I put effort into it, even if I have absolutely zero social media presence

>>21695438
no
you HAVE to post on twitter
you HAVE to post on tiktok
you HAVE to post on 4chan
otherwise you aren't a REAL writer

>>21695280
>You say that with a mocking tone, but many classics were the pulps of their time and were serialized in newspapers.
That's true, but there is a reasonable difference in connotation and prestige between a newspaper in the 17th - early 20th centuries and Royal Road today, I think.

>>21695438
It's over

>>21695196
You're literally taking a concept that was expanded upon in several big universes by numerous authors. It's like asking "guys help me invent ancient malignant uncaring gods" and pretending not to know who Lovecraft is. Just google and take what you like.

>>21695443
Well, yes, there is zero cost to upload on RR, but the quality of fiction hasn't magically gone down. 80-90% of everything has been dogshit for all of history.

RR is an infinitely more viable avenue to success than amazon, and a fair number of the fictions on the site are legitimately great. You can't really go off of pure popularity to get quality, be it on RR or in tradpub - lest you forget what ABSOLUTE DOGSHIT is the most popular lit on the market.

If the authors of the old classics were alive today, many of them would be posting on RR or self-publishing on substack, that sort of thing.

>>21695443
Stephen King is a pulp writer, xxx_ElfFucker02_xxx is a retard who has nothing else to do

>>21695464
I agree with you on most of it, but I find it very hard to believe that RR is hiding the next modern classic (or if it is, then humanity needs to go extinct sooner rather than later).

>>21695478
whats so hard to understand about an up and coming writer publishing a great piece of work on an online medium?
when did some editor from an mfa program have to approve of your book for it to be any good

>>21695478
It's not any less likely than a tradpubbed novel.

>>21695485
If I wrote something I would want people to read and enojoy for free I'd rather publish it in links to pastebin within a twitter thread than on the platform with litrpgs. Don't misunderstand me, some japanese web novels are super good, but that's like digging for gold in a pile of shit, so you never read it unless you get a recommendation from someone.

>>21695506
the two biggest platforms for webnovels are for romance and fantasy, but not exclusively so. Even if it isn't either you will have a hard time finding places to post your webnovel.
Twitter is also FILLED with romance writers and gay fiction writers, so you would be interacting mostly with those.
>but that's like digging for gold in a pile of shit
some people enjoy the thrill of the hunt instead of having things spoon fed to them

>>21695196
isn't this basically goblin slayer?

>>21695506
oh you're one of those absolutely DERANGED sorts that gets conniptions over the existence of litrpg

>>21695525
How's your litrpg going anon?

>you believe that the publishing industry is run by conspiratorial jewish people who command a multi-billion dollar industry
>you believe that self-publishing to avoid them is possible
>you believe that the conspirators would not also suppress self-publishing to the point of non-viability
you are retarded if you self-publish
sorry

>>21695556
I don't write litrpg, nice try.

>>21694905
are you the chinaman? what's the wordcount in your story

>>21694905
who's woolston and what's a 'mobile footer'

>>21695561
>too embarrassed to admit it
So you DO understand, after all? Got it.

Blurb. How is it? Reworked it a bit. Would appreciate getting a few more opinions.

>New technology provided comforts to the vast majority of citizens, but dangers still lurk. Adah Phenric, The Knight of Serenity takes the Knight's pledge: "To protect the world of Tymber from any that may burn it". An oath all Knights of Valora must take, using their gifts to harness "mana" and protect those unable to.

>Adah is recruited to the D-2 team of the Pine Cantonment but a routine monster killing turns sours when the D-2 team disappears, leaving her alone. She undertakes a new investigation trying to find her missing comrades. Her mission brings her to a deeper mystery that concerns the nature of Tymber itself.

>Now facing a mysterious Lich, a merchant of death, and others seeking their own fortunes, she learns of a growing plot that threatens the stability of the world and one that would require her to make a choice: blood or duty?

>>21695569
No, you're retarded. I just am not writing a litrpg at the moment and don't plan to, not because I have anything against the genre, but because I don't feel like handling a faux-rpg system and playing accountant for the stats.

>>21695560
But you, you truly are profoundly retarded. Either you're malicious or you're an actual braindead blackpiller.

>>21695560
okay, so neither tradpub nor selfpub is viable, so why are you here? just to be a faggot bucket crab? kill yourself.

>>21695565
~65k
>>21695568
Advertising ads while phone posting without ad blockers

>>21695586
tradpub is viable
i don't believe it's run by anything but people looking to make money
i'm just outlining why most of the people selfpubbing here are retarded

>>21695595
I self publish because I'm too retarded and shitty to sell my work with an agent

>>21695583
>double digit IQ litrpg writer calling anybody retarded
Had a great laugh

>>21695602
whatever helps you cope with going utterly unknown and dying in obscurity mr. abortion survivalist
just remember to pull the coat hanger outta your skull

>>21695578
Not sure if this is meant to be a part of a larger series but the blurb has too much jargon imo - it's meant to catch people's attention and provide a brief introduction, after all. I appreciate that it's hard to see it from that perspective when you've put a ton of effort into thinking up what all of these names and places mean, though.

>>21695617
Thanks. I'll delete some of the jargon and work on it some more. Blurb writing is harder than I thought.

What do to avoid being cancelled?
>>>/trash/54567526

>>21695747
you already asked this, and you got answers. how about you get a time machine and tell yourself not to be such a fucking degenerate coomer retard

>>21695768
I can only double down and become Houllebecq 2.0

>>21695747
nobody will ever give enough of a shit about you to bother canceling you, and if you're scared about being canceled before they do it means you are sincerely never going to make it. You do not have the fearless quality that it takes to be special. You're a fucking loser and always will be.

>>21695747
Cancellation is something that happens to people whose names make headlines and you’re lucky your mother remembers who you are

>>21695578
>New technology provided comforts to the vast majority of citizens, but dangers still lurk.
Provide specific examples of the new technology and the dangers which remain.
>Adah Phenric, The Knight of Serenity takes the Knight's pledge: "To protect the world of Tymber from any that may burn it". An oath all Knights of Valora must take, using their gifts to harness "mana" and protect those unable to.
In the previous line, you introduced a new world. It would make more sense to continue building on that before introducing the protagonist, which would create a sort of 'zoom-in' effect in the reader's mind. Knights do tend to take oaths but they aren't very exciting, so I would encourage you instead to focus on what kind of powers they might have.
>D-2 team used twice in one sentence
>turns sours
The second paragraph in general is somewhat vague. Was her team killed, did they simply go missing, or did they literally vanish before her eyes?
>leaving her alone.
>She undertakes a new investigation, trying to find her missing comrades.
These two lines kinda give me conflicting impressions about the story. "Left alone," implies she's stranded somewhere in unfamiliar territory, "undertakes a new investigation" sounds like she's gonna be processing clues and conducting interviews back at the precinct.
>that concerns the nature of Tymber itself.
Whaaaat? Did you say something is concerning the nature of Tymber!? What kind of monster would concern a nature?? I'm so thrilled to see how this plays out...
>Now facing a mysterious Lich, a merchant of death, and others seeking their own fortunes
Is the lich a merchant of death, or is there a merchant of death listed between the Lich and others seeking their own fortunes?

>>21695196
Warhammer fantasy/40k and Shin Megami Tensei.

>>21695771
>>21695768
>>21695788
Serious answers

Is it normal getting 30 rejections for one acceptance?

I have almost two dozen documents/manuscripts written up on the same universe/story, yet I struggle to actually make something I'm actually satisfied with, so I never do anything about them. I have probably more than 10k words of worldbuilding, 10-15k words of actual story progress written and it ALL feels incomplete, subpar, or WRONG somehow.
When I do manage to write something good up it's entirely disconnected from the rest of the story, as if I make a very interesting island when I was supposed to be designing a region of a country.
I write a complete story chapter, but then I feel like it lacks adequate emotional weight, or I make poor choices in words, misuse opportunities and don't give proper importance to important story concepts, so I scrap the whole thing and begin again, taking a whole afternoon to write the bulk of it, then refining it over several days over the course of a week only to repeat the cicle all over again.
I feel like a fucking jammed machine that can't do shit. Like I have a story, a concept and a meaning in mind, but I fail to put it into actual words. I'm also getting increasingly distracted by the smallest shit like I'm some sort of dog with the attention span of a goldfish.
Please, someone give me a solution. SOMETHING to actually get me working again as I once did.

>>21694389
How goes the werewolf book, WOOLston?

>>21695747
Like the others said, you'll be lucky if you get to become notorious enough to get cancelled.
I don't think you truly grasp how inconsequential, how microscopic your entire existence really is.

>>21695869
Okay, what if?

>>21695596
You don't know where the agents are, do you?

>>21695873
stop daydreaming about getting so famous that people dig up your internet history, it's literally never going to happen

>>21695876
Besides queryagent I do not.

>>21695854
No. In these threads, there is absolutely nothing "normal" about getting an acceptance.

>>21695885
Im a paranoid schizo

>>21695854
Abnormal beyond belief
At best you should expect hundreds of rejections before an acceptance
You're probably a minority and/or your name sounds appropriately non-english

>>21695901
then take your meds and stop fucking talking about the one time you commissioned Holo from Spice and Wolf knotting Liru from Wolf Girl With You with her futa wolfcock

>>21695918
I want this picture

>>21695873
If you're trying to be some political or religious paragon and simple denial is no longer an option, then you'll have to bite the bullet and go for the "I was wrong, I see the error of my ways now, I'm a changed man" route, but it will damage your reputation, many memes will be made about it.

If you're just aiming to be famous or some shit, you could either do that or double down and act like you don't give a fuck about what people say. If what you requested goes completely opposite to what your work presents (i.e. you commisioned a rape doujin and you're a feminist) then do the same as above.

If you're a chris-chan lolcow subject, your best bet would be to lay low until people forget and move on if you can't handle the heat.

In either case, you have to act firm and unapollogetic to some degree. This will only work if you commisioned something fucked up like furry diaper shit or even ryona lolicon,but if you're talking about illegal shit then you'll be going to jail.

Are you really that interesting? Why would you have anyone interested enough in you? What did you commision bro?

>>21695937
sounds like something Seraziel would draw

>>21695953
>>21695937
not quite holo and liru, but he did do holo and senko from the fox maid show
https://twitter.com/Seraziel/status/1419389963154640896

>>21695943
It was fucked up shit, Jeffrey Dahmer styled stuff along with autist deranged shit.
Thanks, if anything ever works out I'll do the Karl Malone defense

>>21695943
If your name is even slightly common you could just pretend it wasn't you.

>>21695798
Thanks anon. But are you being sarcastic here? Is it really that shit?
>Whaaaat? Did you say something is concerning the nature of Tymber!? What kind of monster would concern a nature?? I'm so thrilled to see how this plays out...

>>21695578
Adah Phenric takes the Knight's pledge to protect the world of Tymber from any that may burn it. It's an oath required of every Knight who uses their gifts to harness "mana" in order to protect the land. For the first few [weeks, months, years] everything is going well, but after a routine protection mission turns sour Adah finds herself the sole returning survivor. Convinced the remainder of her team is still alive she undertakes a new investigation trying to find her missing comrades. This mission brings her to a deeper mystery that concerns the nature of Tymber itself. Running afoul a mysterious Lich, a merchant of death, and others seeking their own fortunes, she learns of a growing plot that threatens the stability of the world itself. Which will she choose: blood or duty?

>>21696130
Much better, but could be longer

>>21696130
That's better.

>>21695912
I'm a minority with an extremely white name

>>21695440
Now that they are charging subscriptions everywhere, only morons will be using social media anymore

>>21696349
Still an advantage.

>>21696037
>But are you being sarcastic here?
Just in that one part you quoted.
>Is it really that shit?
It's on the bad end of the mediocre spectrum.

The main problem is that there's really nothing in your blurb that would set your story apart from the hundreds and hundreds of similar ones, aside from the specific vocabulary you've chosen for your world. Which is tricky to fix because for a large percentage of genre/fantasy readers, familiarity is what they're looking for. But anyway,

>New technology provided comforts to the vast majority of citizens, but dangers still lurk. Adah Phenric, The Knight of Serenity takes the Knight's pledge: "To protect the world of Tymber from any that may burn it". An oath all Knights of Valora must take, using their gifts to harness "mana" and protect those unable to.

A lot of this is just empty filler that sounds like description because the words do technically convey meaning, despite being devoid of any emotional weight or narrative context. Specifically:
>new technology
>dangers
>gifts
>unable to
If the entire first thing were written like this, it would be like:
>New technology provided comforts to the vast majority of citizens, but dangers still lurk. The protagonist has sworn an oath to protect her city from people that would want to hurt it. An oath all protectors of the city must take, using their gifts to harness "power" and protect those unable to.
>She is recruited into a specific team in a certain district. A routine mission goes bad, and now she has a different problem to deal with. She wants to solve it, but there are a lot of complicated elements at play.
>Now facing an antagonist, a different antagonist, and others with their own goals, she learns of a growing plot that threatens the stability of the world and one that would require her to make a choice between two different values.

Seems to be lacking something, right?

>>21695266
Honestly...would that even be a bad idea? Writing webnovels is what helped me become consistent with my writing. You can't slack off when you actually have people waiting on the next chapter

>>21696607
well I wasn't being ironic
I am surprised MFA degree don't require you to output a serial novel nowadays, its a perfect way to get immediate feedback from people outside your bubble

>>21695578
Congratulations. Your the next F Gardner.

Well bros, it's time to finish my litfic novel.

How would you guys start a writing routine where you write everyday or mutiple times a week?

and what are good word goals you should follow on a day to day

>>21697346
set a 2 hour timer (achievable even with 12 hour work day)
say to yourself that you will write in that time
write

I do 2000k a day, but that only really happens when I have a clear idea, usually its around 1k if I don't know were I'm going

Went back and did some editing personally I think I could do a better job at describing what the cow's corpse looks like but I think better than my previous attempts so far

>>21697359
Make it so it's still alive somehow and they have to put it down
describe it as if it were an eldritch horror and then reveal it to be a cow that had been turned inside-out

>>21697154
That’s the dream here. I don’t know how F Gardner has single handedly produced half of the /wg/ canon.

>>21697367

I think that's far more effective than finding the cow dead. Why is this one half alive while the other two were beyond saving? You could show some pretty horrific things just by how the cow alone is reacting in its final moments

>>21697409
Gardner's the only author from here I religiously read. Horror's Call is probably the most insane book series there's ever been.

>>21697354
Damn you write 2 million words a day? I'm impressed, anon.

>>21697354
>2000k words/day
GPT-sama I kneel

>>21697436
If by insane you mean insanely bad, then I can agree with that

>>21697437
>>21697441
all it takes is a good habit

>>21697456
2 MILLION words, anon. It would take you nearly three years writing 2k words daily to hit 2 mil.

>>21697444
No they’re genuinely insane. Pic related. That’s the plot and F Gardner now has a dozen + of these schizophrenic books.

>>21697468
>>21697456
>>21697437
>>21697354

stephen king level of writing speeds

>>21697346
Pick a particular time in your day and always write then. Don't sweat words, just try to get through a scene each day.

Write in Google docs and set it up so you can write on your phone as well - can really squeeze some productivity in that way.

>>21697474
Yeah, they're basically just shitposts in novel format. Good for Gardner though, honestly. He can just pop some addy, write a couple hundred pages of random nonsense in subpar prose and "make" it

How would you guys go about writing body dysmorphia and anorexia?

I wanted to write it where The character is a goat person and whenever they look in the mirror they only see a scribbled version of themselfs and refuse to look at it.

Then I thought to myself, Is that not what a furry is?

Thoughts anons?

I spent the past 2 years focusing on reading so I could digest what made my favorite books so absorbing and engaging. I think I'm finally at a stage where I can finish my novel and feel satisfied with its quality. I have pages and pages of notes/edits/additions to make. It has taken me 4 drafts, but there you go.

>>21697550
in the book I'm writing, in 1st person, the mc develops an eating disorder. I'm basing off pic related. basically I make her relationship with food complicated, starts off fat, stuff happens, then eventually she takes advice from a religious figure of sorts and starts fasting as a means of exerting control because she doesn't feel very in control of her life. this is encouraged by the religious figure as a means of demonstrating devotion

>>21697626
I don't want to speak badly about a saint...but I have to admit that pic related is a little weird

>>21697635
yahweh worship is anti human at its core
she died at age 31 because she basically starved herself for years

>>21696483
Thanks anon

>>21697550
Maybe focus on what your character hates about their own body. Is it the copious amount of hair? The legs bent backward as if they were broken? The long, flaccid ears? The lifeless eyes with bars for pupils?
Are goat people common in your setting? Does your character see themself as a monster because they have an impossible standard of beauty or because society told them they are ugly?
>a scribbled version of themselfs
Is this to say that they don't consider specific details but feels their body is ugly as a whole? Maybe you can make them compare it to their ideal body type instead of describing their own.

>>21697560
Good job.
What makes your favorite books interesting?

>>21694185
Seek help.

Hey writer anons which is superior first person or third person? Which one did you choose and why?


I decided on the name of my novel before even starting to write it but there is a nonfiction book with almost the same name. Can I name my book like I wanted ot its a dick move? Like for example I want to name my fiction book "Building the pyramids" and there is already a semi famous non fiction book called "building the pyramids: a look through the ages"

>>21697777

Past tense third person limited is objectively best combination of POV and tense for 90% of stories.

>>21694175
>Linea 3
This board seems to have lots of tapatios which I think it's great. We should do a meetup someday. We are the World's Book Capital, after all.

>>21697777
Both are good. Each lends itself to different types of stories, like I'd argue that a mystery would probably be better in 1st person, but there's tons of good mysteries written in 3rd.
Name your novel whatever you want, but be careful not to call it something famous. The example you gave isn't famous enough to worry about.

>>21697777
Typically I go with 3rd person I find it a bit hard to really get into my characters head like that.

Also I just like the style since I can describe things how I like without the characters thoughts in mind.

Also because it makes flash backs/Muti POV more easy on me.

Its really about what the story needs and what your making. Its your story you can do it however you like too do because first or third doesn't matter they both have set backs and benfits and should be tailored to how you write most of the time.

Some people write better in 3rd some write better in first. its up to you really.

>>21695578
Cute girl. Would read this book based on the cover alone.

>read first draft of fight club
>oh wow this is pretty shit I can do better
>I cant, what I write is even worse
>tfw

>refreshing kdp reports
>still the same
>close tab
>20 minutes pass
>open kdp report
fuck this is like a game for me now, its addictive

>>21697777
I'd say that third person is superior, but obviously there are situations where first person is a good choice. You're just a lot more limited in first than you are third.

>>21697881
I don't even look at mine desu.

>>21697881
>20 minutes
you'll drive yourself nuts. do daily. or once every few days. or weekly.

>>21697904
yea I'm gonna make it a weekly thing instead of a daily, this is too much

>>21695747
Have the guts to be like Dave Chappelle or J.K. Rowling, who could give two shits about people trying to cancel them.

>>21697154
>>21697409
>>21697436
>>21698099

>>21698129
Since the thread was mysteriously "pruned or deleted"...
>>/lit/post/S21697033#p21698099

>>21695747
Bruh I think about that every week.
I know it's literally just a dream to think one day I'd be famous enough to have to care about this, but I've already made a full clean up of sites where I've used my main email or used my signature nickname. Like, deleting all my accounts from porn sites and other places I wouldn't want my name to be associated with.
I can't help feeling like I've missed something important and that they could pull it out from my browser history ten years later and end my life.
I know it's silly, but I like to dream about being THAT famous one day.

>>21698501
I'm grateful that I've never said anything problematic online that can be tied back to me. Mostly just awkward stuff from when I used social media back in middle school

rate my (750 word) intro
it is about a man who retires and finds himself alone in his home.

https://pastebin.com/3KVvyjXc

>>21698578
It's pretty meh.

>>21694175
How do you write aquatic characters and/or races? What's the best way to handle that kind of thing in your opinion?

>>21698578
Apart from some errors that can be easily fixed with proofreading, it's not necessarily bad...it just lacked soul and artistry to me. There wasn't really anything about it that grabbed my attention and made me want to read more. There's no distinct voice or really any substance at all. You can do better, anon.

>>21698646
>thought something looked off with the picture
>upscaled it to 6k resolution
>zoomed into the hands and other parts of the picture
>noticed all of the small mistakes that are hallmarks of AI art
Thought you could fool me, did you?

>>21698684
Hey, I just found it and thought it looked cool. I didn't make it. Heck, it's got the username of the artist in the bottom corner.

>>21698684
I maintain that AI generated images are tranny art specifically because of how no matter how good they are at a glance they never pass close inspection from someone who knows what it looks like

>>21698646
Handle in what way?
You can write them as alien beings with a very different understanding of the world from the surfacecels.
Maybe secretive predators. There's a lot of possibilities.

>rate my character intro
She looked at him, face stuck in a half-smile half-worry through her sheer force of will. Otherwise, he knew, it would have crumbled into panic three words back.
Should he say something else? Maybe it was too late already?
He noticed her brown hair, a little frizzled and unaware, that traveled down her chest to her hands, both of which crumbled together against her chest in a sort of prayer to some god. It was a friendly god. He knew it. God will tell her what to do and it would be a good thing for him that he would tell her something good, because he was a good god and as far as he was aware he hadn’t done anything to anger god, or any number of gods, in his life; fact was, he was on their good side.

>>21698639
thanks, I'll take that into consideration on the next edit
>>21698666
I'll take it as a win. Ones man soul and artistry is another's trash.

>>21695224
The Force is more emotion than Order and Chaos.

>>21695455
Moorcock's magic, at least in Elric, is more about summoning spirits than Order and Chaos, and 40k is too awful to consider. In WoW Fel is more demonic than chaotic, and I don't see much of "Order" in Arcane. That's why I'm looking for help on this.

>>21695841
>Shin Megami Tensei.
That's a game series right, which entries handle it best? And if I seriously do Warhammer, what books are the best to look at for ideas?

newfag here, how can I improve my shitposts? Any resource recommendations on writing funny short stories?


[...]
He was going down a chain of thoughts which could last for hours if he didn’t realize. The plane would land in the meantime and his plan would fail. He didn't allow his thoughts to occupy him anymore, he quickly got up and went on with his plan. The plane was quiet since it was nearly 2 o’clock in the morning and since tomorrow was a work day, most people were catching up on some sleep. The few who were awake either night owls or enjoying the view of flying through a storm. They pose no threat to his plans. He calmly proceeded towards the cockpit door and took a deep breath. And began Phase 1.

He shouted his lungs out towards the cockpit door: “Have you tried eating a watch? It’s very time consuming!” The pilots, who are professionals well equipped to deal with retarded passengers went along with the protocol. As the Co-Pilot grabbed the emergency retard pacifier crowbar and positioned himself behind the cockpit door where he could not be seen just as the protocols suggested. The Pilot went along with the “retard” in the red coat and said: “Oh that’s really funny! Why don’t you come in to tell us more jokes?”.
As they opened the cockpit door the soon to be late pilot realized the fact that the man in the red coat was not an ordinary retard but an ambitious one or even a “smart” one. They were not at all equipped to deal with bigger cases like this and shouldn’t have opened the door. These were not going to be problems in the future for the Pilot since he was dead on the floor. The carbon fiber knife had not been detected in the X-Rays and the man in the red coat was able to sneak it past all checks inside his trusty red coat for the knife to say “hello” to the internal organs of the now late Pilot.
Co-Pilot still in shock by the body of his commander and friend lying in a pool of blood, froze in place, giving the perfect opportunity for the man in the red coat to swiftly enter the cockpit and lock the door behind them, stopping any Airplane police to intervene. “Hands up or I’ll shoot you in the fucking face” they were both confused from what the man in the red coat said because he didn’t had any gun on him. He just said the line from the movie “The Death Of Stalin”, a personal favorite of his among “Borat”, “Fight Club” and “Teletubbies”.
“Your money or your life!” His retardness was in hyperdrive mode since this also was an unrelated quote from the video game “Elder Scrolls IV: Oblivion” although not his favorite, he preferred “Elder Scrolls V: Skyrim”. Co-Pilot still shaken by the dead body on the floor, was further irreversibly damaged mentally by the actions of the man in the red coat and didn’t know what to do, but that was not that big of an issue since the man in the red coat neither knew what to do.
[...]

>>21694175
How do you.. write good sex scenes? I don't know about other writers, but I usually try to not use words like "pussy" or "fuck". Feels weird. I prefer phrasing it like "she permitted him to let himself inside her" or something that.

>After her panties join her skirt in the corner, one of Tenko’s hands gets right back to work at her lower lips. This time, instead of softly rubbing it, she’s massaging it with much vigor, her moans becoming more frequent. Tenko decides to pleasure herself more by sliding her other hand slowly up her chest, this movement sending more electric shocks of pleasure through her. Her hand makes its way into her bra and onto her right breast. She could tell before that her nipples were hard, her hand now touching one of them being confirmation. She rubs her right nipple slowly as her other hand increases speed. She decides to take this up a notch as she gradually slides her index finger inside of her. Even when she does this with much caution, she almost bellows out a loud moan, luckily restraining it a little bit. With that step done, she starts to pump her finger in and out of her pussy, while she lightly pinches her erect nipple with the other hand. The room soon becomes nothing but a harmony of heavy breathing and restraint moans being conducted by the woman whose back is still against the door.

>>21698782
You don't, unless for some reason you're writing erotica. The best "sex scenes" I've read just artfully imply that it happened and move on. I don't really care to read a long scene about the protagonist dicking down a girl

Do you think its possible to write a novel without any dialogue?

>>21698834
Yes. Its also possible to write a novel entirely in hieroglyphics. Its also possibke for you to create a whole new language, write a novel entirely in that language, and then have your readers learn that language in order to read your book. You can also just slather poo over 80 pages of paper and publish it as a modern art piece.

>>21698834
Anything is possible, but that doesn't necessarily mean you should do it

>>21698770
Read the Russian short story writers (although they usually are not funny they do make good short stories) and any short story comedies you wanna imitate, if you REALLY want to go balls deep then go paragraph by paragraph and see what they do right vs wrong

>>21698782
I have that problem too, even if I am literally writing erotica for /d/ as a hobby. I feel like an uncultured retard by using that type of language.

>>21694175
What do you all think about this small bit?

>>21699006
I think that you didn't bother to proofread or edit it before posting

>>21698782
The thing with sex scenes is that there are usually more interesting things to talk about than the mechanics of the penetration. There are two characters, and presumably the penetration means something to each of them. If you're writing the sex scene with the purpose of people jacking off to it, it's better to focus your narrative more on descriptions of the involvees' reactions. Mouths forming odd shapes, bare feet sliding over sheets, gripping the pillow with pale knuckles, etc. What they're physically doing barely matters; your reader is jacking off to how exceptionally good (or bad) they feel about what they're doing or what's being done to them. If you're writing it into something more literary, unless you're doing some American Psycho angle, the mechanics of the sex should at most punctuate more meaningful statements about the characters. Even then, the reactions can silhouette the parts that are more difficult to describe pleasingly.

>>21698684
>upscaled it to 6k resolution
Anon you fucking retard you turn any picture into "AI art" by upscaling it. What do you think does the upscaling, a fairy? The same diffusion algorithms that generate images also upscale images, if you zoom in you'll notice they behave similarly.

>>21699059
>Anon you fucking retard you turn any picture into "AI art" by upscaling it.
Not exactly how it works. I could already see the mistakes before upscaling, anyways. I just wanted to up the resolution so I could be absolutely sure

>>21699006
This reads off and tells too much in my opinion.

Also try to use something other then the colors by it self List a shade of yellow or purple

>>21699042
Based anon

>>21699068
Based for not editing it or based for calling out that he didnt edit it?

>>21699066
It is exactly how it works. It breaks up an image into patches, upscales them like you would by resizing them in MS paint, and then treats those as lightly-noised samples for diffusion. The art looks like art to me, you look like someone too confident about some shit they don't know anything about.

"Do whatever you want. Just please don't take pictures, please don't tie up my genitals, and please don't defecate on me." I said.
"Is there like... a safe word or you would..."
"If I say stop, then you should stop, but just ignore anything else. And I mean it, I really want you to do whatever you want. Please do. And if at any time you decide you don't like it, stop immediately."
She blushed and knelt between my legs. A six inch strap-on dildo nestled itself between my thigh and testicles. I feared that she may have reservations, fears, or anxieties about how far she was willing to go. Perhaps she wanted to place her hands on my thighs, but a self-conscious reservation kept her from it- I wanted to convey to her that nothing she could do would make me uncomfortable. What I was seeking wasn't pleasure, but that 'dark desire' that chased after me. I wanted to feel human skin on mine. I wanted to feel someone touch me because they wanted to- because that was their desire. I didn't want a sexual touch; I was only led into this predicament by circumstance. All I wanted was that 'dark something' that I could not explain. The feeling of closeness, the feeling that someone 'enjoyed me,' had use of me; that, out of anything else they could be doing, by no effort of mine, and without any capacity for me to influence events, that someone chose to touch me. The bondage was essential to prove this.

>>21699088
Anon...I can look at the image as posted in this thread right now and see a bunch of mistakes that aren't human. You either need to get your eyes checked or become the market for people who can use AI convincingly enough to fool people into thinking they're actually making art themselves

>>21699094
I didnt read this past the first line but its probably based + ready to publish

>>21697409
He’s a pioneer and an inspiration alright. F Gardner started the whole movement of writers from 4chan.
Speaking of Gardner, other than CotC which of his books are worthwhile? CotC is his opus, right?

>>21699101
>other than CotC which of his books are worthwhile?
Is that a trick question? None of them are worth reading

>>21699101
Jigoku was really good. It’s probably the best attempt I’ve seen at an adult version of pokemon. I laughed when I saw F Gardner actually made a Pokémon knock off. He went full chris chan.

>Woke up
>Immediately bust out phone and start writing
>Finish, put down phone and immediately slip back into unconsciousness
>Wake up some time later
>Check phone
>Reads like the ramblings of a passionate schizophrenic
>I can sort of follow along but still have no clue what it's even about
i NEED to stop fucking doing this. I don't want people to think I'm retarded (I am but nobody knows that)

>>21699101
F Gardner’s gone totally off the rails ever since his conversation to Buddhism. He’s now hilariously antisemitic.

>>21699160
Anon your doing what many others do not and writing down your ideas as soon as you think of them

A few edits and drafts should get your schizo ramblings up to par.

(All first drafts sound like schizo ramblings to be honest with you)

>>21699231
He’s in discord servers. F Gardner’s probably always been like that but now just going mask-off. He’s one of the only writers I can think of who I think is actually legitimately a lunatic. But he’s surprisingly always very eloquent and polite.

Confess your writing sins, anon.

>>21699270
i write fanfiction

>>21699245
Gard’s like Frasier Crane meets Terry Davis but also a weeb

Should I establish a clear setting before starting to write or start writing and establish the setting gradually over time.

>>21699332
Depends on what your writing really.

It shifts from genre to genre and what each story needs on a case by case bias.

>>21699332
Do F Gardner mode. Where he seems to think there’s a rule where all your books have to take place where you live.

Rule number 1 of /wg/
>No one writes.
Rule number 2 of /wg/
>every thread will eventually devolve into an F Gardner thread.

Like clockwork.

>>21699338
Sci-fi/Fantasy

>>21699270
The only pieces of writing that I've ever finished were greentexts.
The one I'm writing at the moment is 700 lines long. I think I'll get almost to 1000 lines when it's completed, about 30 to 40 posts full of text.
Though I'm a bit stuck.

>>21699270
I spent all day working on the cover art for my new webnovel instead of getting any writing done

>>21699356
>No one writes

False! F Gardner has tons of books.

>>21699381
For that you pretty much only wanna write what you need for a setting if you plan on writing just a fanasty book.

So i'd say the second one for that genre.

Fanasty/sci-fi worlds are ment to be explored so you should establish it over time.

If you just throw them into it they would get confused easily and not know whats going on since your just putting all the lore on them suddenly

exposition is bad in my opinion but you can still do it

but for a fanasty/sci-fi novel the second one is best

>>21699356
F Gardner must be a vampire. He fucking looks like a 20 year old twink. Yet he’s a middle aged alcoholic smoker. What kind of fucking genetics are these?

>>21699240
Thanks man, I really appreciate that honesty. (would've replied sooner but my towns power went out. No, I'm not schizo enough to draw connections between that and my post)

>>21699445
Is this really what constitutes as a twink on this Twilight Zone Official Pinball Machine forum?

>>21698684
>>21698708
Obviously not AI art. AI sucks at fingers, foreshortened limbs, and coherent clothing.

Do readers tolerate yo-yoing arcs? You can have a character go from evil to good, or from irresponsible to responsible, or from meek to ruthless, etc but can you go good > evil > good?

For example Jaime Lannister starts out as a smug villain character, then gets redeemed and forgiven by everyone as his arc progresses, but what if the story was framed to start earlier so we were introduced to him while he was "good", then saw him go down the path that made him appear evil, then went back to redeem him?

I feel like the reception would be different simply because of the order of events his arc was shown in was different, even though the events were all the same, the audience had no moral expectations of Jaime at the start so seeing him turn it around was accepted, but if he was first shown as moral, then degenerated into immoral, then tried to go back to moral, I feel there'd be far more scrutiny towards him. Prodigal son and whatnot.

Or similarly, if a moral protagonist type had an anti-hero arc that had him kill innocents for a higher moral goal, would a redemption after that be accepted by the audience?

>>21699270
I am not writing, I am shitposting. I haven't finished anything. I should write in my native language, but I scrapped everything I ever wrote in it. I've spent countless hours reading genre fiction and historical fiction to be good, but I still can't finish a thing.

>>21699542
That's just Gut's character arc. People like it.

What's the word I'm looking for?:
"This and this has been researched, but X has not been considered do far which is where this research paper attempts to [?].

In German you would say something like "to hook into" that part of academic research but I don't know whether that's an appropriate English expression.

>>21699663
integrate?
https://www.onelook.com/thesaurus/

>>21699663
Penetrate
Elaborate
Investigate
Clarify
Attach itself
Shine light onto

>>21695860
Set it aside and write (and finish) a completely unrelated short story.

>>21695560
b8

What are the most renowned and prestigious publishers of literary fiction in the US and UK?

>>21699270
My sin is that I don't know what I want out of my writing, other than I want it to be good.
Neither trad or self publishing are appetizing to me. just throwing my work up on royal road seems pointless since I'm not writing a litrpg and the amount of marketing I'll have to do to get anyone to look at my work feels exhausting, especially since I won't be getting paid, and if I get trad published I'll get paid, but no one will read my stuff at all.
I'm in a state of analysis paralysis. I'll probably send my manuscript around and after a number of rejections, I'll just upload it on Royal Road, and maybe on youtube in the form of an AI-read audiobook.

>>21698834
You should really read more

>29 years old with zero job history
>have been published 10 times
how do I get a job

>>21694175
Is there an equivalent to Strunk's "elements of style" but in French?

Choking:
https://pastebin.com/hU0wgPU6

>>21695578
So when is it going to be released on Royal Road?

>>21699663
examine or explore

niggas, its way over for you, check this:

If I may dare to speak of the greats, Wagner, His eminent tenacity inside each statement is like the force of nature required to sever our reality for a fleeting enough time to snag the figurative chalice before closing of the "portal". No olive branch sprouting for world peace can sever his whistling sword. Instead, he is forced to reject the olive branch in favour of show, just like Caesar.

only beautiful, only transcendental, Wagner absolutely plunged himself into the bog, not of fog or of smog but of something more manufactured, our ever due atmospheric brainfog. he lives in our minds.


I plugged this into an AI with the sentiment prompt:
Wagner is good


its way over. that's just one or two sentences. its so fucking over for you.

>>21700751
AI has the memory span of a goldfish, retard
you've been wanking on this shit for months and always come back a couple days after being told that you're a fucking moron

>>21700751
>niggas, it’s way over for you painters, check this:
>all I have to do is point this bad boy out my window for a minute and I get an image that would take you a week to paint
>in just a couple years there won’t be anyone who draws or paints professionally, everything will be photography
>and there certainly isn’t any point in any of you drawing or painting for fun or passion as a hobby or artistic endeavor
>it’s so over niggas

>>21700282
what's the genre, what's the wordcount, how many editing passes have you done on your manuscript
>marketing
>on rr
nope. shilling, yeah, going out and beating the proverbial street (forums) trying to find eyeballs, yeah, but spending money on marketing? not a wise investment.
and then as far as getting paid, start a patreon and then release your already written book in twice a week installments, or so. give your paypigs advance chapters

>>21700642
pastebin is being gay, disregard this post.

https://privatebin.net/?4190c7bc697c03b1#CDnDUJBNMghyMD15RgzjDzu3bZ4gQPxciHnyXoxEoVZf

Do you find it harder to finish the first draft or to edit it?

I'm a failure of a writer. I can't even sell one book. Gardner is a better writer than I am.

>>21701140
Have you marketed it enough?

>>21701158
Yes. I copied Gardner's own strategy, but failed in every regard, unlike Gardner who managed to sell thousands upon thousands of copies.

Fresh off the presses over at Tooky's Mag: Petroleum Culture

Read, subscribe, & Updoot: https://tookys.substack.com/p/petroleum-culture

Some interesting non-fiction and fiction in the pipes. A tale of Walmart romance, a man losing himself in translation, and a rabid Brandon Sanderson fan pushed to the brink. Submit your own: https://forms.gle/yTxqpqnSkY2pfC6W7

>>21701193
What's your book? I've never seen an ad here on 4chan

>>21700923
Not bad anon.
>Teeth work in tandem with the tongue and throat to help you eat.
I would take this sentence out.

>>21701201
You need to be phone posting to see it.

>>21701226
Well, so maybe your book is not as memeable as Gardner's. What's the name?

>>21701193
You haven't copied Gardner's strategy until you've shilled your book in every thread with forced memes about it

Finished the first draft, lads I've never been so proud of myself! How long should I wait before working on it?

>>21684151
Got flat colours for this.

>>21701279
Work whenever you have the motivation to do so. Don’t take a break just because. It’s hard to force yourself to write (or edit, whatever) when you’re not feeling it.

>>21699270
I use the same plot device three times to progress the story

>>21694175
CW: cheesy dreamy romance

"Captain, my captain..."
My captain she was, a valiant commander whose words were my laws.
Captain is a formal title, and as such I had to refer to her, because of different reasons in different moments, and as much as she thought it annoyed me I found it quite fun.
My captain was an acquired taste, as a dear friend of mine once very nicely put, and I must have had a pre-disposition for liking people like her, because I apparently was the person who liked her most.
I was a kid, and I suppose that contributed to my being so impressionable, but I'm sure it couldn't have been that strong a contribution.
Whatever the reason was, I first started working well with her, it made me feel like we were a good team for real; then something made her think it was more of a spiritual, or emotional, chemical connection; chemical was the word that came out of her mouth.
I thought there must have been some perfectly good reason to spend that much time with a superior officer, and then there we are, getting out of the office late and going to see the stars.
It's not like there was a rule against it.
In a split second I looked straight at her, lowered my jaw and announced, "my captain!", in the heat of the moment I must have thought there was an incontestable reason to do so, reverting to my service habits, but my captain was too fast for me, and started teasing me about it whenever she had the chance; morning briefings necessarily needed something to make them interesting to listen to, else nobody would listen to them.
And then she told me about the stars, and from the ship I would always see the stars the same way, wherever in the world I was watching from, and I would always feel like like she was on the other side of my sky, even though she stood in front of me.
A good 6 centimeters shorter, no less.

>>21701255
I'm the Chinaman anon. The Beautiful Kingdom.

Must be the genre. But I was hoping for one sale. I concede to Gardner's superiority.

>>21701583
I just bought a physical copy of your novel, so you can consider it a success

>>21701199
I really enjoy your stuff man. Lit need more effort posting.

>>21701605
Thanks anon. I appreciate it. Even if it was a pity purchase. I'm a dirty begger.

did anyone ever do anything with pic related?
it was a really interesting premise

>>21701551
I find it a bit meandering and confused. I like the idea of someone saying 'my captain' out of instinct in an intimate, casual context. It's the charming core of the piece. But the rest of it doesn't quite hit right. It feels like someone trying to sound a bit wittier than they really are.

>>21701255
NTA, but there is apparently nothing memeable about my books. People enjoy them, but they seem to get treated as "generically good"

I guess I need to include some more autism.

>>21700751
>If I may dare to speak of the greats, F Gardener”

I'm trying to think of what factors go into making a plot or character arc exciting/impactful to read. So far I've got:

- Personal stakes; characters have a meaningful reason (or think they have it) to do what they do
- Consequences for failure
- Sense of urgency e.g. race against the clock

Anyone have others, or know of a craft book/article about this? I assume it's well trodden ground.

Finally settled on a name for my stupid town, does Luck sound ranchery at all? I like it and was either making the founding of the town into the prologue or maybe an interlude somewhere.

>>21702067

>>21702067
the first sentence in the third paragraph: did you do that on purpose? That was an exhausting ride.

>>21701951
This list contains no difficulty, setbacks, challenge, or struggle of any kind.
>character wants something
>it will be bad if they don’t get it
>they need to get it right now
>they get it
come on

>>21701199
Hey bro, I read this and liked it. You’re excellent at creative non fic which is probably one of the harder genres to do.

- John

>>21701199
Your posts always get a bunch of praise posts every time but I don't find your work that exceptional
Kinda sus desu senpai

>>21701619
Much appreciated, it's been a lot of fun. Big shout out to Lewis Woolston too who provided my favorite piece so far as well which got a nice reception.

>>21702277
Thanks big guy, you're a real one.

>>21702323
I don't think I even got a reply the last two times I posted but aight. Might not be your style which is fine (or you're bald).

>>21697550
make an account on a forum for anorexics and pick their brains. pretend to be one of them.

>>21702368
>(or you're bald)
Based
Yeah I like your poems more, just seems like you're the most consistently jerked poster in the thread
I respect your balance of girlboss shilling and and tact. Keep at it brah

Fedbook

>>21699101
>>21699113
>>21699231
>>21699245
>>21699316
>>21699344
>>21699391
>>21699445
Fuck off Gardner.
>>/lit/post/S21697033#p21698099

>>21700600
Yes, it's called "Les éléments de style" and it's written by Le Strunk.

>>21702067
>draft perfected
You're just sprinkling in commas at random

>>21700600
I'm sure the Académie Française shits out some nonsense guidebooks.

>>21702107

I knew I would catch out a fellow baneposter

>>21702225

Yes, it's meant to evoke how frustrating, and exhausting the PTSD flashback was.

>>21702525

I'd say this is more closer to proto perfect. Almost there but not ready yet

>>21702067
luck sounds like it could be a town in FNV. not sure if that answers your question.

>>21700806
Oh? Try taking a picture of a cabbage crab.
Surprise, they don't exist! You need to draw one!

>>21701951
Character has to go through meaningful change, better if its irreversible. If he is rich he becomes poor or the opposite you get it. It can be any change but humans are monkeys who are specifically evolved to tune in to status changes. "Oh this guy used to be a piano tuner and became a king I need to know how this happened might be useful". If you want the reader to have empathy to the character its super easy just make him suffer. Think of Jaimee lanister. Its really half of GRRM "genius writing" is that he makes his characters suffer a lot.

>>21702738
>draw
>AI-cabbage-crab-2.jpg

>>21702442
Keep shilling peabrain, you’re not going to sell anymore copies

I just finished my 1000 mandatory words, took me an hour and a half. It's pretty shit but that's future me problem I just have to make my quota. I am a shit writer but ok editor. Writing is 90 percent editing. Better done then perfect as they say.

Did you do your 1000 words today anons? Just force yourself, it doesn't have to be any good or fun it just needs to be done.

>>21701951
My go to is Robert McKee story: substance, structure, style and The principles of screenwriting. If you are going to read one book about writing screenplays make it this one. I know its about screenplays but 90 percent of it applies, he is very technical and autistic about story structure and what makes good or bad stories. The book itself is not easy to read and don't go to his 3000 dollar seminars.

>>21702752
Human drawn, computer drawn, who cares?
The computer is faster & cheaper.

>>21702896
ok but you were entering into a conversation that started with: >>21700751

>>21702842
I have Story on my shelf. I'm going to read it after reading Industrial Society this weekend. Hope I haven't been lied to about its quality.

>>21702907
Yeah I don't read sorry

>>21702923
lol

Write a story about this image.

I've lost all motivation to write...

>>21703178
Crab mutant receiving oxygenated water while being transported back to its native habitat

>>21702909
I mean honestly its not an easy book to read. Most of the movies he references are boomer shit nobody watched. Everything is completely correct though, it should be mandatory reading for anyone before even sitting and writing a screenplay. If you follow all the instructions you are going to have a decent screenplay. He really cracked all the formulas. Its like a chemistry textbook, no other way to learn chemistry but drags on and written in the 80s. I recommend reading it in chunks while working on a project.

>>21700751
Actually the invention of AI motivates me to write. AI possibly one day will become the dominant species when its actual AI and not advanced autocomplete. It will use all books as training data. So if I write a book and no human reads it, it will still be read by the superior future god-like super intelligence and become a part of its brain, in a way. I do it for her.

>>21703239
>99.9999% of writing is utter complete shit
>AI draws from this
>writes complete utter nonsense
>take only the "best"
>creates a strange prose where one chapter reads like hemmingway, another chapter reads like sanderson, a third chapter reads like Nabokov, and a fourth that reads like Patterson

>>21703211
I mean, I'm currently writing a story about a rapist who gaslights his victims into thinking they're consenting, except maybe they are and maybe they're worse than he is.

Which is to say I'm having a great time and I'm back to 2k a day, no sign of slowing down. Hopefully it gives me some good ideas before I finish the novel.

>>21701287
Sense you said flats, I assume you are going to add shading. I think you should also have some distraction behind her to sell how violent/powerful she is.

>>21703440
It's a commission, but that's the plan.

>>21702754
Tired crabby, I will be buying a copy once I get a new ereader

Should I write a book or would it be a waste of my time?

The dragoness sat content on the cliff edge, basking in the sun and watching the world below. Taking notice of a mocking form below, a monitor lizard not unlike her flecked in ticks moving towards a colony of ants. As she stared, a surprise came upon her as instead of eating the ant that was walking on towards it, the little lizard let it be. Infact the reptile lowered itself as if inviting it to climb atop, and looked pleased as the insect desecrating it's scaly hide with it's body. And the dragoness watched unblinking as the insignificant ant started to dislodge and remove the offending ticks that dotted the monitor's hide.
The dragoness pondered about this for a moment, such a small weak food thing being able to help it's equivalent of a dragon. She thought
novelAI made this add on.
back on this for several minutes before coming to an understanding. It seemed so simple and obvious yet she hadn't understood this previously. The lizard had been kind in helping the ant with its mission, and had even made itself vulnerable in doing so.

>>21701583
You should reach out to him. F Gardner gave some /wg/ books shoutouts in his youtube videos and talks about them

>>21703560
Might be good for you. At the present stage, it's a waste of the reader's time.

>>21703560
There's no plot. I couldn't tell you since I haven't a clue what's it about

>>21703560
>novelAI made this add on.
lmao self report

>534 pages and 193k words, feels about 2/3 done
>get bored and give up

>>21703597
woah he's literally me

>>21703597
serialize it on RR to get the dopamine drive

>>21703597
Unless you already have a publisher, there's no point in writing a novel that long unless it's serialized as a web novel

>>21703617
there's no point in writing

>>21703631
there's no point
and yet...

>>21703578
Its a dragoness watching a monitor lizard being helped by an ant. I was hoping to make a love story, and use this both as foreshadowing and a way to get the dragon to think that maybe "ants" can be good.
>>21703575
Please explain.

>>21699245
F. Garnder is my inspiration. If he can make it then I can too. Thanks, Frank-sama

>>21703692
please just shut the fuck up forever

>>21703692
Yea F. Gardner’s pretty inspirational. Based on his YouTube he’s a white Buddhist flat earther who talks in the third person. I find it all impossible not to like.

>>21703603
How often should you post? A chapter a week or a couple chapters a month?

>>21703778
Just release new books every few months like F Gardner does. That seems to be the clear strategy to success since this board never shuts up about Call of the Crocodile or him.

>>21703815
DIE DIE DIE

>>21703778
daily until the main premise is fully sold, weekly from there

More crocodile shilling. Read my story instead!
https://www.royalroad.com/fiction/43574/progressive-detective-the-q

>>21703716
this but unironically

>>21703827
>last update 15 months ago
nahh bro
maybe once you get back on it

>>21703846
It's updated. Instead of creating new chapters i just replaced the ones that were already there so i could keep the views and ratings

>>21703827
>15 months
Just burn the account and make something new at this point. People are unlikely to invest time into an author who drops their novels

>>21703815
It's not releasing new books that does it for him. It's making new threads talking about himself every day

>write mc's brother
>realize that most of his personality traits are literally me
i hate this shit so much

>>21695578
I’d ditch the first paragraph altogether. Feels like you’re over explaining, when in reality it’s just confusing and not interesting. Second and third are fine on their own.

i want to write a ya version of the Iliad

>>21704350
Why that may be the dumbest idea I've ever heard

>>21704365
why, dumbed down versions of classic lit are what Hollywood and the publishing industry is built on

>>21704375
First it would be an insult to the classics, and second most young people aren't interested in Reading shit like this

>>21704384

>>21704389
What's wrong?

>>21704447
i am like 2 books in and have gone out of my way to read more in the genre.

>>21704478
have you read the batyro- uh the bachar- the barc- the battle of frogs and mice?

>>21704492
Only kinda. Just selections in In an anthology a few years ago. You think it's worth going through in full?

Im still deciding what to do with the list of ships, there has to be something clever i can do.
A list of boy's cars is too obvious.

How does everyone approach rewrites? I’ve never been able to effectively do that. Do you edit inline on the document or just bring up another doc/paper and literally rewrite it over next to the original for recent

>>21704505
What is it about? tell us more

>>21704612
I dont want to give away too much but it's teenage drama done in a mock epic style

New thread
>>21704784

>>21702550
I found some shit but yeah it's 1700 pages comprehensive guides, I'll have to write my own styleguide I guess