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>>21693364
Them digging up an old IP to pump out some tie in crap doesn't make that IP popular

>>21693364
We support fascism in Ukraine now

>>21693364
Is Zim /ourguy/?

>>21693371

>>21693404
>>21693364
They had a script for a movie parodying a future fascist society but the studio rejected it. So they slapped the name Starship Troopers and it got a greenlight because Hollywood will only make movies that are rehashes of existing properties.

>>21693364
they have to make a new property to sell every so many years or the lose the license. you cant just license an IP and sit on it. So they are probably about to lose the license from not using it, so they are using it to keep their contract.

What are you talking about, there have been constant spinoffs and direct to video sequels and video games since the film came out. Instead of making this worthless thread from your phone you could have read 20 pages of this excellent book already.

>Shit book
>Shit movie
>Great animated series
>Shit sequels
>Shit tie-in media
>Shit video games

It is a great irony that all the associated media has nothing to do with the book and is all based off a b-movie that a lefty-hollywood producer made to parody the right and Fascism.
Justifying it that he just skimmed the source material. That the most famous character in thr movie does not exist at all in the book.

>>21695470
>Justifying it that he just skimmed the source material. That the most famous character in thr movie does not exist at all in the book.
Juanny Rico is the main character in the book

>>21693364
Biological determinism. The viewer was always a grunt, a beast born to kill living in a zoo. Neil Patrick Harris was born to rule you.

>>21695489
Juan Rico is a weak, indecisive Filipino in the book. Beyond a handful of names there is nothing similar, their is barely a single worthwhile action sequence. The Mobile Infantry are armored mech-like tanks in the book, not Nepolionic War era soldiers

>>21695508
>mfw a grunt costs millions of spacebucks to train, equip, house and support
>mfw in the book the officer corp are completely undermanned and so many officers must wear many hats
>mfw the mobile infantry in the books are are a highly sophistocated, mechanized militaty composed of small, elite squads, sections and platoons, all in power-armor with the capacity of a tank and able to leap miles
>mfw in the movies they run all run in completely unarmored and use less tactics than the bugs

>Hollywood is too pozzed to ever make a faithful adaptation of the book

It kills me bros...

>>21693364
>Why the fuck is starship troopers popular again?
It's a good movie.

>>21693364
It’s a fun read.

>>21693364
It was the second book I read in English and it will always have a special place in my heart. I liked that concept that you have to earn your right to meddle in politics by your willingness to die (surviving bootcamp) to earn your franchise. It was gay though that women could enroll to bootcamp. Shaped my Christian worldview and the respect I have for military and soldiers in general.

>>21695470
>Great animated series
>Constantly shies away from ever showing Roughnecks dying in a massive interstellar war
>Never show any of the humans or humanoids dying in said war
>Animation is HORRIBLE

Fuck you, Roughnecks was TERRIBLE. The '97 movie is the ONLY thing about this bloated turd that was EVER anywhere near "good"

>>21693637
Only Russians dislike supporting Ukraine.

>>21695470
>Great animated series
>Remember seeing a couple of trailers on a VHS or DVD I rented once upon a time as a kid

It included trailers for the turd that is Roughnecks and this other 3D animated war TV show that looked COOL AS FUCK that I could NEVER remember the name of, became confused that the show I was thinking of WAS Roughnecks, got my parents to get a copy of Roughnecks The Pluto campaign, the WORST Roughnecks episode.

Only just TODAY learned that the ACTUAL show I was looking for all those years ago was actually a show called "War Planets: Shadow Raiders"

GODDAMN IT. Oh well, at least now I know the truth after all these years... Fucking suffered through just about every installment of Roughnecks through Netflix DVD rentals AGES ago.

>>21693364
Saw the movie when I was a kid and me and my friends thought it was unironically awesome. I was rooting for the federation to kill the space bugs, and it was wildly entertaining to see people getting mutilated in really elaborate ways. THEY SUCKED HIS BRAINS OUT. Everybody burst out laughing.

Starring your favorite characters from Melrose Place or whatever those shows were in the 90s.

Which makes me think fascism is naturally suited to kids.

>>21694303
Of course he is

>>21698929
Russia supports Ukraine. You do not.

>>21693637
>Ukraine bad >:(
Nice post, now go die in a trench for Putin

>>21698913
It was a childs cartoon, that was on at 6am in the morning. You absolute retard. Further it was a closer adaptation to the book than the movie.

>>21698929
>>21699679
Globo-homo supports the conflict, which is to destablize Europe and create broader support for a supranational polity that was previously bleeding away support.

>>21693364
the RTS looked really good for something that didn't have multiplayer, I didn't get it yet though
thanks for reminding me

>>21699323
>fascism is naturally suited to kids
don't tell that to the Jews, they've been pushing the infantilization of the general populace as hard as possible

>>21699731
It is liberalism and libertarianism that encourages the infantile adult. Fascism is the reversal of this, hence why the jew pushed for increased permissiveness and understanding.

Im sure you will respond with something akin to 'a real man does what he wants' but that is again more childish thought. A man does what is needed, a child does what he wants. A spoiled child, which is truly what Western Man is.

SST is a liberal paradise. There is nothing fascist about it.

>>21695470
Elric's sisterwife looks like him and therefore looks like a man. You can't tell me that's not intentional. Also an albino will never be cool or sexy sorry. Fuck Moorcock shit.

>>21699819
>the degenerate race of demonic proto-darkelves looks weird
Anon...

>>21699698
It's in the interest of Russia to cooperate with Ukraine and build it up. For the rest of the world Ukraine is only useful as a sacrificial pawn against Russia.

>>21693364
>? Like I like the film and they were unironically right to genocide the bugs and the federation did nothing wrong,
Because that's fuckin sick and cool as fuck bro?

>>21693364
war in Ukraine

>>21699950
That is a Russophone perspective. From a European perspective all of Russia, Ukraine and Belorussian and all related people should be forced East beyond the Urals, out of Europe for good. The now cant land can be divided out by those nations who fought to keep Russians out of Europe, Poland, Romania, Finland. The continuation of Ukraine and Russia as nations constitutes an existential threat to the safety of European nations. Currently it is greater than the threat of the European Union. Both need purged.

Chuds found the movie inspirational and completely missed the point. This compelled some of them to read the book and meme it into relevance again.

>>21699987
The movie was a raw expression of Humanity, Fuck Yeah! If you thought there was any deeper meaning than making a commercially successful action movie you are a bigger idiot that than the director. It can not be a parody if nobody on the staff knew it was, including the writer, the director and the actors. He made a movie, got criticized for making it militaristic (not Fascist) and then tried to weasel his way out by claiming the usual excuses.

If anything it highlights how stupid and idiotic the left is. Militarism is natural for men. It is not for women.

>>21699801
I like the 1700s liberal ideologies, of freedom, hard work, and earning your place.
Neo-liberalism has made the infantile man-children. When the only societal value is money, and society is flush with money, there's really nothing of value left in your society at all! Except for whatever hedonistic desire is left to distract yourself from the creeping nihilism.

>>21700038
>The movie was a raw expression of Humanity, Fuck Yeah!

Verhoeven was and is quite explicit about the anti-fascist, anti-nazi, satirical nature of the film after having the misfortune to experience Nazi occupation in the Netherlands when he was a child, or are you going to completely negate that like one of those "death of the author" leftists?

>>21699984
>That is a Russophone perspective
It's the reasonable third party perspective. The only interests I share with the actors are the commonly shared interests like generally wanting stability and working economies. Europe doesn't need land. You can only justify your aggression with the most classic propaganda lines about everything being a threat. Yes, everything is a threat. The earth is a threat so it must be taken out before its volcanoes strike first. The last threat on my mind are some illiterate alcoholic tundra farmers.

>>21700067
Why was it never mentioned during the pitch, the pre-production, in the script, by the actors, by the runners, by the cast, by the producers, by the director himself until several months after and the typical journo accusations began?

The Death Of Stalin is a parody. However it is a bad one as it depicts the leaders as bumbling idiots instead of accurate depictions of their traits. The movie SST is precluded from parody as it celebrates everything leftists love in an idealized world. The man did not even read the book, how can it be anything related if he had no knowledge of the source material?

Here's a decent and recent radio doc about Verhoeven and the Starship trooper, Robocop and Total Recall movies.
https://www.bbc.co.uk/programmes/m001byg0

>>21700115
See
>>21700119
If I recall correctly one of the reasons he downplayed it was because he was highly influenced by the style of American ww2 propaganda movies and didn't want to draw an explicit link between that and fascism whilst making the pitch for finding. Also he didn't want to scare away brainless from watching a movie that they child enjoy on a special level. Same with Robocop which is basically a critique of American capitalism.

But I'm sure you'll choose to believe whatever you happen to like the idea of. Very po-mo.

>>21700119
>>21700140

I am well aware he has built his brand around that idea, but it was not a preceding thought going in to the movie. It was shoehorned in after he made a movie that was criticized as being fascist and militaristic. He then came up with the brilliant plan of saying its a critique, its a parody, it is meant to showcase the dangers of American hypercapitalism, jingoism and racism.

None of this went in to making the movie. Do you agree to that?

>>21693637
I wish it were fascism.

>>21698886
its equality

>>21693364
Leftist just discovered they can outlandishly interpret it as anti-fascist

>>21698983
kek, I confused Creepy Crawlers with Ultraforce

>>21699976
the bugs are clearly a metaphor for jews/arabs

>>21699987
they book is literally unironically fascist

>>21700038
the movie was a satirical take on 9/11 and the war in iraq

>>21700067
>after having the misfortune to experience Nazi occupation in the Netherlands
wait, how does the nazis coming into your country and killing all the jews count as misfortune?

>>21701743
How is it Fascist?
What aspects make it Fascist?
Why do the aspects you describe make it Fascist?

I state that it is liberal society, permissive in all aspects and more free than any society, real or imagined, except it has a military aristocracy, of which anybody can join, even the most physically disabled person can join and gain a political power.

Even the aspects that are anti-egalitarian are themselves terribly liberal in their design.

>>21701750
The movie precedes 9/11 by nearly five years anon.

>>21701765
strong society built on militarism and the idea that people are stronger as a group with a strong government then alone
>>21701772
Verhoeven is a jew so he knew about 9/11 back in the mid 90s

>>21702033
>strong society built on militarism
What aspects are militarism? The entire service is voluntary and can include all manner of opportunities, military options are but one that you can select, there are plenty of others. Civilians are open to every other aspect of life in this imagined world, they are precluded from nothing, they can own any business, become rich, have a family and all manner of other things, there is only one thing they can not do until they complete a 2 year term and that is affect the political process.

What part of that is militarism?

>people are stronger as a group with a strong government then alone
This is objectively true. That is why Republicans/Conservatives have failed to impede a single issue the Left has pushed.

>>21702750
>you cannot make change in the political system unless you enlist and put yourself at risk of death
>what part of that is militarism?
stay in school kiddo

>>21700046
>Neo-liberalism has made the infantile man-children
Based and facts
Based in facts
The funko poppist consumer is the most committed reactionary now. He is the neo-fascist.

>>21693364
>Why the fuck is starship troopers popular
Because its a cornerstone of military science fiction and golden age sci-fi? This is like asking why they keep making new star trek shows and movies when it came out in the 70s.
>again
the franchise has had a new movie every 5 or so years since it came out. it never went away.if anything we are overdue for starship troopers 6.

>>21695470
>Shit book
wrong
>Shit movie
wrong
>Great animated series
right
>Shit sequels
filtered. back to plebbit.
>Shit tie-in media
not sure what you mean by that. comics? board games? the comics are ok
>Shit video games
its a low budget franchise. what do you expect.
>It is a great irony that all the associated media has nothing to do with the book and is all based off a b-movie that a lefty-hollywood producer made to parody the right and Fascism.
The movies and other media all take ideas from the book.
>Justifying it that he just skimmed the source material. That the most famous character in thr movie does not exist at all in the book.
rico is in the book. additionally while verhoven did not read the whole book neumeier did.
all in all you sound like a mouth breather who takes moorcocks inane rants seriously

>>21701743
unionically the book espouses the idea that vooting is inherently a violent action and limiting that power to people who aren't completely retarded or self interested is somewhat libertarian in nature although it could go bad if citizens start vooting to give themselves more and more special privileges over non citizens. Also voluntary military service is more akin to rome than 20th century fascism.

>>21699987
>Everyone who isn't a marxist is LE DUMB!!!
People watch a movie to have fun. politics come second.The starship troopers movie is a fun film. Audiences didn't miss the point by having fun, you did. Same with total recall, which butchered the source material even more than starship troopers.
Also the movies politics apply more to american war propaganda than fascism. Saying the movie is about just da nazis and fascists and not america as well is a cope by democrats because the film hits too close to home. now the same democrats want ww3 with the evil heckin subhuman russians on the other side of the planet.

>>21700115
Because Neumeier read it. Do you think making a movie is a one man job?

>>21702750
you literally do not get citizenship or a right to vote without service in starship troopers

>>21703624
literally all fascist iconography is based on the roman republic. The fasces is literally a symbol of authority/power of the roman republic

>>21703648
>Also the movies politics apply more to american war propaganda than fascism. Saying the movie is about just da nazis and fascists and not america as well is a cope by democrats because the film hits too close to home.
holy shit anon you're so fucking close if you keep edging like this you're gonna cum

>>21693364
Gearing up for a war with China, which was the point of the original book too.

>>21695470
Starship Troopers was a great movie that did justice to Heinlein's concept far better than he could. All the things added (romance, combat brotherhood) and the things cut (robot dogs, battle suits and other tech noncery) improved the work greatly.

>>21696204
It's a shit book, the movie improved it greatly and actually made something good out of it.

>>21700067
>>21699987
Lol cope, you got played by someone spouting your shibboleth's back to you while he made a great and popular film glorifying war and authoritarianism.

>>21701692
No the bugs are a direct analogy to Chinese communist human wave attacks in the Korean war. The bugs are Asiatic communists, that part is made clear where Heinlein inserts a reflective chapter out of nowhere glorifying a Filipino general who massacred communists and drawing a direct comparision to him and the bug war. Heinlein wrote the book in expectation of near-future wars in Asia against communism, like the Korean war was, and like Vietnam became.

>>21701772
Ignore him

>>21701750
No, it was a glorification of war and an authoritarian society, true to Heinlein's vision. Verhoeven let slip an admiration for the Germany of his youth.

>>21703051
>>21703868

There are non-military options for service. It says outright that anybody, regardless of ability must be found a place where they can be earn a vote.

>>21703595
>Shit book
>wrong
Objectively it is shit, a good author displays his world-view via action and reaction. Heinlein has a author self-insert tell you his world-view for several pagee at a time.

>>Shit movie
>wrong
The movie is entertaining and enjoyable but an adaptation it is utterly shit. It was not a parody or a commentaty on Fascism until after the maker was heavily criticized for it.

>>Great animated series
>right
You, the broken clock could of been right twice a day but you are a 24h clock so you are only correct once.

>>Shit sequels
>filtered. back to plebbit.
You are not even aware of how many sequels exist, or who stars in them. Further highlighting the madness of calling them SST or in amy way basing any of them on a single, boring book.

>>Shit tie-in media
>not sure what you mean by that. comics? board games? the comics are ok
Are all shit.
>>Shit video games
>its a low budget franchise. what do you expect.
Low budhet games usually make up with it by including unique game play or innovation somewhere. SST games are a quick cash-in.

>>It is a great irony that all the associated media has nothing to do with the book and is all based off a b-movie that a lefty-hollywood producer made to parody the right and Fascism.
>The movies and other media all take ideas from the book.
No, they are not from the book. They are what a man who looks at the front cover and assumes is in the book. Everything featured in the book is destroyed so much as to be rendered unrecognizable in the book.

>>Justifying it that he just skimmed the source material. That the most famous character in thr movie does not exist at all in the book.
>rico is in the book. additionally while verhoven did not read the whole book neumeier did.
Rico in no way recognizes his depiction in the book. His teacher too ,as depicted bt Ironside, does not exist at all like that in the book. Every character is utterly destroyed in moving from book to movie.

>all in all you sound like a mouth breather who takes moorcocks inane rants seriously
Moorcocks political opinions are garbage but, he depicts them in his writings in a great way. There is no long, boring pages where he explains like Heinlein his political views they are acted out like, like an author should. Show, not tell.

>t. National-Socialist

>>21703881
Fascism may be inspired by Rome but they aren’t the same kind of government at all. Especially not the republic.

>>21704846
Imagine not liking starship troopers 3 and 4 imao

>>21704466
There is nothing authoritarian about that society, at all. In the book or the movie. It was a democracy, an egalitarian democracy in which all had to meet a term, rather than all lowered down. With no thought given to merit or ability. A functioning retard with no limbs could earn a vote if they wanted to.

>>21705099
He said Fascist iconography, learn to parse information before you attempt to argue. Picrel, the roman salute, or perhaps a style of it.

>>21695470
What about the OVA adaptation?

>>21693364
It doesn't matter how much videogames they do about Starship troopers, they will never surpass the Earth Defense Forces series.
>>>/v/

>>21705196
Ive never seen it, or any japanese animation. A cursory glance suggests it may adhere closer than all other media to the book. But that is still a great distance fron the book itself, there were very few fight scenes in the book. The biggest one was the opening terror-mission against a civilian population. Which nobody ever mentions.

It's the next franchise hollywood has it's eyes on to corpsefuck for piles of money.

>>21700162
It is, just not the kind you like

>>21705358
It is not anon. It is a liberal paradise but for a 2 year training period to run for office.

>>21704459
I am talking about the film, not the book. The film is about 9/11

>>21705104
which is the one with the "its a good day to die, when you know the reason's why" song?

>>21705293
starship troopers is a book

>>21706262
The post is saying that Starship Troopers is popular again because they are making 2 new videogames

>>21706309
Wait, really?

>>21706309
yeah, a book

>>21706400
But people only know about it due to the movies.

>>21706368
>>21706400
>but this is now 2 video games for this 1997 film in like 2 years.
The post is literally just 3 sentences.

>>21706422
its based on a book, fag

>>21706606
But I'm not talking about the book, I'm talking about the videogames, and OP is too.

>>21693364
holy shit, I can understand people on /tv/ not having read the book, but really, /lit/ hasn't either?