/lit/ - Literature

>>21687291
The left one seized power from the right one.

>>21687308
>Before the civil wars, even those who most disliked the opinions and manners of the Puritan were forced to admit that his moral conduct was generally, in essentials, blameless; but this praise was now no longer bestowed, and, unfortunately, was no longer deserved. The general fate of sects is to obtain a high reputation for sanctity while they are oppressed, and to lose it as soon as they become powerful: and the reason is obvious. It is seldom that a man enrolls himself in a proscribed body from any but conscientious motives. Such a body, therefore, is composed, with scarcely an exception, of sincere persons. The most rigid discipline that can be enforced within a religious society is a very feeble instrument of purification, when compared with a little sharp persecution from without. We may be certain that very few persons, not seriously impressed by religious convictions, applied for baptism while Diocletian was vexing the Church, or joined themselves to Protestant congregations at the risk of being burned by Bonner.

>But, when a sect becomes powerful, when its favour is the road to riches and dignities, worldly and ambitious men crowd into it, talk its language, conform strictly to its ritual, mimic its peculiarities, and frequently go beyond its honest members in all the outward indications of zeal. No discernment, no watchfulness, on the part of ecclesiastical rulers, can prevent the intrusion of such false brethren. The tares and wheat must grow together. ...

>Thus it was with the English Nonconformists. They had been oppressed; and oppression had kept them a pure body. They then became supreme in the state. No man could hope to rise to eminence and command but by their favour. Their favour was to be gained only by exchanging with them the signs and passwords of spiritual fraternity. ... The sincere Puritans soon found themselves lost in a multitude, not merely of men of the world, but of the very worst sort of men of the world.

Having a wife and kids is still what normies do. Go to any American suburb and you will see countless conservatively dressed millennial couples with 2 young kids named some shit like Jayden and Kayleigh. This is the default American family, and that you think it's some sort of "counterculture" only indicates that it is unavailable to you due to your many defects.

>>21687363
No you won't. You will see countless old boomers and spics though.

>>21687318
What is the source for this?

>>21687308
The absolute nonsensical state of American politico-culture wars, gamergate ruined an entire generation of men

>>21687291
"Counterculture" was never counterculture.

>>21687448
I still don't know what gamergate is but the fact is I played video games at a friend's house and there were tranny flags in call of duty. is that gamergate?

>>21687471
Gamergate was a misogynistic harassment and disinformation campaign in 2014 that targeted female video game creators and journalists

>>21687409
>no u
Compelling argument

>>21687291
Hegel.
Also, punks were always libtards with mohawks + ephebophilia.

>>21687486
>a "no you" argument is anything that begins with the words "no you"

>You Either Die A Hero, Or You Live Long Enough To See Yourself Become The Villain
Here's you phenomena, bro

>>21687492
What does Hegel have to do with this?

>>21687573
Just read his book

>>21687291
>>21687308
None of this happened.
>>21687363
This.

there's plenty of books about white millennials getting priced out of the housing market and being unable to start families but they're all written by communists

>>21687409
there's a life outside of 4chan

>>21687485
You left the part out where a generation of terminally online autists got turned into alt right culture warrior fasciods over it instead of actually understanding elite and international power politics

>>21687409
Go outside.

>>21687409
Touch grass

>>21687448
The hippies and punk of yesterday are high priest of academia and media who write the values today.

>>21687419
tocqueville democracy in america

>>21687363
more children were born out of wedlock for THE FIRST TIME IN AMERICAN HISTORY this year you smug self important faggot
>duuuh if i go to the place with the most married couples there are a lot of married couples there lol
>>21687586
fuck you too

>>21687291
What's going on with /lit/ today? Why are there so many leftists? Are we getting raided again?

>>21687643
rightoids don't read

>>21687363
Why does /lit/ pick on the underprivileged? Only board I've seen actually do this.

>>21687643
/lit/ was never a right wing board. It was neutral at best, even left leaning at times, newfag.

>>21687643
Whenever there's a call for new jannies, it will get spread on leftist discord servers and they will apply en masse and some of them will inevitably get accepted. Once that happens, the new leftist janny will tell the server to raid because they will get protected, so they do that until it becomes too obvious and a mod kicks the leftist janny out. Happens all the time.
t. used to be a janny

>>21687662
/lit/ would be perceived as a right wing board on any other website

>>21687662
There has always been left leaning people here, but rarely the culture warrior kind who say things like rightoid or chud unironically. Also overall /lit/ has always leaned to the right. It's one of the few places on internet with a large following of Spengler, Evola, Junger, and so on.

>>21687679
/lit/ would be considered far right in any country but America.

Counterculture is strict Islam, not that

>>21687635
You stupid nignog, academia is a defanged house of mirrors and the entire media-entertainment complex is owned by a handful of conglomerates, who themselves are owned by a hydra of monopolistic international banking/finance firms, if you weren’t a retard distracted by culture wars and muh leftists and muh trannies maybe you’d pay attention to the psycho plutocrats dominating and engineering society from the very top with the help of their managerial class underlings and their friends in the defense state, as they slowly enslave you and your cultural “enemies.”

>>21687363
I want to marry a christian wife, who is a virgin and goes to church every sunday. I also want to remain a virgin until marriage. Have children and lead a traditional christian life.

It is possible, but saying that this is something most people do, it's a lie. I only met my girlfriend because we go to the same church.

I understand there is a desire to be perceived as counterculture, regardless of your beliefs, to assert your own identity. The image is an exaggeration, but I do think there is a fair point: the loudest voices online condemn that kind of traditional life, and life "online" is more real than the physical world, because in a sort of baudrillesque phenomena, virtual life is not a reflection of what happens in the physical world anymore, virtuality is reified to the point it leaks into our physical world, and what comes from the online world (social networks, news websites, anything that divulges information) has more consequences of anything that could happen here in the physical world.
This is to say that, at the very least where I live, things have changed enough to condemn traditional lives. It's fine if is not what people are seeking, everyone gets to make their choices. But being bullied and made fun of, something I and everyone in my close circle of friends has experienced, is something that should not happen and it's awfully common.

I also think the economic component of this new lifestyle should not be dismissive. A lot of people just cannot afford to have a family, it is expensive and time consuming, to things we are lacking. It feels a coping strategy to not have this kind of life because they cannot afford it, and convincing themselves they choose to not do it for ideological reasons.

>>21687654
Dying medium plus collective contempt for the unintelligent normalfags who killed it. We are a bitter community.

>>21687409
Loser
(Just dogpiling at this point)

>>21687363
breathe your own farts, gas giver. your fumes cut no cheese with me.

>>21687643
Contempt for political correctness (as all fanatical lovers of the arts have) and pearl-clutching doesn’t equal a love for bourgeois mediocrity which is the cornerstone of conservative thought.

>>21687291
Why are leftists trying to force this narative

>>21687692
Marrying a virgin is a completely unrealistic expectation outside of Mormonism and Islam

>>21687485
false. it was the outing of mass scandal in journalism and the ensuing counter attack by professional victim women (one of which, zoe quinn, was the one who slept with all the journalists to begin with), ending in the mass trannification of video games and the end of the games industry as we knew it. don't bother denying that this is what gamergate was, because everyone here knows it.

>>21687691
You seem like one of the few people who are sincere in their motivations for leftist influenced thinking. I still appreciate people like you and your deconstruction of the power structure. However I strongly disagree on the tranny issue. I used to think like you until circumstances forced certain developments into my awareness. You must understand that lgbt is an op by the very people you are naming. Trannies are as much a part of the transhumanist agenda as neuralink. Plus the mutilation of children is a demonic crime against humanity.

>>21687692
no you don't

>>21687671
fuck that does explain it

>>21687686
America is economically right but on social issues America has always lead the way. Gay marriage, porn, abortion, and so on

>>21687691
Why don't you just admit you're antisemitic? Maybe then you wouldn't have to write so much to obscure your dog whistle.

Am I above the culture war or am I just annoyed that the side I tacitly support is getting attacked?

>>21687744
>America is economically right
Funny how having the same economic ideas as the leftists during the french revolution makes you right wing.

>>21687291
The Electric Kool-Aid Acid Test.

>>21687691
>academia is a defanged house of mirrors
what the fuck did he mean by this

>>21687720
>leftists
>contempt for political correctness
in what world

>>21687774
He's implying "the jews" own academia by funding only the projects that benefit them. Don't bother with him. It's just /pol/ schizo rambling.

>>21687755
Relative to labor and socialist ideas. Obviously not relatively to landed gentry or ecclesiastical economics, but those are not relevant in America since the civil war or in Europe since the world wars

>>21687787
Caesarism is the natural end point of every civilization. Those things are more relevant now than ever.

>>21687787
>america is economically right relative to economically left ideas
wow

>>21687778
Political correctness is just as much of a right wing idea as a leftist one. Pushkin had to cut portions out of Eugene Onegin because they didn’t pass the political censor board. Artists or fanatical lovers of art have always had a dislike of this sort of thing both from the right and the left. That’s why the great communist artists and writers, both inside and outside Russia, ended up disliking the USSR’s policy on art and literature

>>21687363
>Go to any American suburb and you will see countless conservatively dressed millennial couples with 2 young kids named some shit like Jayden and Kayleigh.
Most of my friends. I heard from one a few months ago who texted me reminding me to vote for Democrats in the midterms. He has two now, but was struggling because he was babysitting three other kids at the same time on some playdate for five total. He had a lot on his hands.

>>21687802
>right and left are not innately relative terms

>>21687691
>it's da rich
First you don't understand economy, second there's no stronger power in the world than the power to define value. The corps run after the value defined by the left, not the other way around. Everything that was theory in universities is now practical subversion. Why? Because the subverted students of these days now populate institutions, be they public or private. Remember when wokeness was just an experiment in Evergreen? Ten years forward and it's official doctrine in academia, media, ans so on.
Sockets makers are the distraction you're given not to notice the real power of the priestly class, the creators of values.

>>21687727
it's not
there are still many women who are not promiscuous, you just have to meet them at the right places

>>21687744
The amount of money America spends on social programs is insane though. America it's just corrupt, but that comes with being so big and the center of the empire, but the amount of things that are subsidized in America is staggering.

>>21687821
A virgin doesn’t just mean not promiscuous, it means a woman with no sexual experience

>>21687808
How about in 2023 though

>>21687730
I actually agree on the tranny issue, they’re bio engineered by the pharmaceutical industry, which surprise! Are owned by the same financial titans that control our conglomerated media industry (along with every other conglomerate in the wider oligopolized market that is the US economy). Trannys are a brilliant wedge tool within a larger divide and conquer scheme.
>>21687746
I actually heavily resent the idea that discussion of oligopolization/plutocracy = antisemitic dog whistle, this is a ploy regularly used by shitlibs to shut down discussion of what power structures are actually like and how their current formation totally flies in the face of any basic concepts and ideals found in what is supposed to be democratic societies. Chuds who bemoan about muh Jews like Larry flink in blackrock don’t understand the wider historical-structure development and base all their understanding of it all on ad hoc pseud racial political “theories”, and at the end of the day they just want goyim to entirely control a beast of an global economic-military empire.

>>21687779
Academia is renowned for swallowing radical and other competent types and siphoning their time and energy away from actually making an impact, retard

>>21687842
>the wider historical-structure development
And that is?

>>21687833
sex outside of marriage is promiscuity, for both men and women
it's a bigger issue for older people, 20s or above, by that time they cannot claim ignorance - they are willingly engaging in sin

>>21687692
>but saying that this is something most people do, it's a lie
Nothing about that image implies that the cartoon people saved themselves for marriage

>>21687842
>>21687851
More antisemitic dog whistles lol. I don't know if you didn't notice, but this is /lit/, not /pol/.

>>21687671
Makes sense. Thanks for the info man

>>21687842
By blaming everything on "financial titans" you're being just as reductive as the people who blame everything on Jews. Both groups have power in different ways

>>21687839
What of it? Joyce Carol Oates wrote a novel about Marilynn Monroe that was adopted into an extremely lurid and offensive film which portrayed an abortion as horrific and grotesque. Despite having innocuous left politics, she loved the adaptation. Don’t conflate goyslop consumers and creators with artists, writers and consumers who care about serious art

>>21687861
No, it’s fornication. Promiscuity is to have a lot of sex with a lot of people outside the context of some sort of romantic relationship

>>21687842
Alright I'd say you and I have no disagreement. There's definitely a dialectical process at play between glowies shutting down all dissent as anti juul ism and the useful idiots who genuinely harbor that idée fixe at the expense of wider and more in depth context.

>>21687727
I married a virgin and I'm not mormon or muslim. It took a lot of work to find her though.

>>21687878
You are not a leftist if you do not blame the rich. You are not a right winger if you are scapegoating chuds. So what are you?

in the 80's you could afford a house to start a family in. lol
Thanks boomers

>>21687882
>Joyce Carol Oates
She's stuck with the leftist ideas of almost a century ago though. She also believes that publishers refusing to publish white men is wrong. Hardly the face of current leftism. If she were young and had the same politics, she would be considered a centrist at best.

>>21687854
>>21687854
Read elite theory, Braudel, Wallertein, Sweezy, etc or anything other than what ever mind melting nonsense you already believe

>>21687882
from reading the wiki article it looks like the abortion scene was highly controversial. I accept that there are individual examples of left-leaning people who are opposed to political correctness (JK Rowling being another example), but now you're making a not-all-men argument. Would you agree that valuing/enforcing political correctness is generally more a left than a right phenomenon, at least today?

>>21687910
>Read elite theory
No, thanks. I'll keep blaming the jews.

>>21687910
Also meant for >>21687867 and >>21687878

>>21687899
Neither? One-dimensional politics is retarded enough, binary politics is brain-dead. Both the rich-haters and the jew-haters have valid points.

>>21687925
Yeah, I know, why read actually sophisticated social-political theory and historical political economy when you can just deflect on a feudal era originated boogeyman?

>>21687882
>yfw to find a reasonable leftist you have to go to a 84 years old Joyce Carol Oates
The left surely is fighting against political correctness, anon.

>>21687930
Because honestly I don't mind poverty. I only care about culture, and I don't like the culture the jews are pushing on us. The elite can have all the power they want as long as they don't push faggotry and niggerfication on us. That's all I care about.

>>21687910
How about you give a specific recommendation for a book instead of reeling off author names like a pseud

>>21687922
That’s because the left are in power. Those outside of power will always politically be against censorship

>>21687937
>Because honestly I don't mind poverty.
Do you live in poverty? Or around poverty?

>>21687950
that's a pretty sweeping generalization

>>21687938
Mills power elite
Mosca ruling class
Michels political parties
Paretos rise and fall of the elites
Francis the leviathan and it’s enemies
Braudel Wheels of commerce or his general idea of industrial “capitalism” being inherently anti market
Wallersteins world system analysis
Sweezy monopoly capitalism


The list goes on and on. Muh Jews is a cope for morons too stupid or lazy to get into elite politics and it’s relationship to political economics.

>>21687957
>Do you live in poverty?
Yes. A poverty that would be unfathomable to most Americans. It's always funny for me seeing Americans whining about being poor, when even the poorest ones live like the upper middle class in my country. And even for my country's standards, I've always been dirt poor. But as I said, I don't mind it. I just want the jews to stop pushing for faggotry and niggerfication. One of the few good things about my country was that we didn't have niggers. Guess what the jews have been doing this past decade?

>>21687957
Not him but I do. It ruined my life. Based on my experience a better society would be economically left and culturally right.

>>21687969
Agreed that "the jews are behind everything" is reductive nonsense, but jews genuinely do form a uniquely powerful ethnic class which uses its power for its own interest

>>21687519
extra chromosome on middle guy?

>>21687974
hungarian?

>>21687989
I wish. No. Much worse. South American.

>>21687993
Lol your culture was ruined from the start bro

>>21687888
Yup, the matrix is made out of conscientious players and their useful programed morons who shut down true political understanding out of different motivations. This is why shitlib democrats are the most vile useful morons in modern history.
>>21687986
Sure, they’ve carved out their power niche, but to hyper fixate on them misses the bigger picture, and all proposed “solutions” from this hyper fixated perspective consequently will not actually solve the problems we are facing, in fact it’s easily weaponized and turned back on the people who try to attack the system from this approach.

>>21687998
Absolutely, but that's why I wish the jews could at least leave us alone in our misery. Why make things even worse?

>>21687779
But... That sounds entirely accurate.

>>21687974
I'm convinced anti-Semitism is a form of slave morality.

>>21687975
I'm on some weird Z-axis of political thought lately. But my problem with the "cultural right" lately is that a lot of right-wing culture actually seems like trash culture, or basically rubbish. If you were interested in High Culture like the opera -- basically the stuff you can get these days that's trad like Wagner -- it's embedded in the same world as PBS (here in the U.S.). It's actually the liberals who are into this stuff in my experience. There are going to be gay guys in the audience or on stage.

I consume some trash too, but this idea that "conservatism is the new punk rock" is almost like saying to me "I wanna live in the garbage." That's what punk rock is. It's the form of a meme about raising a family for OP, but there's a saying I heard once, which is that "people fight for what they don't have." The people hoisting "family, tradition!" as their battle cry are often people who lack those things, like people who shout words like "glory" or "honor."

>>21688015
You will never be able to perceive the whole picture. Some people can fixate on the Jews and expose what they do while other people can fixate on nebulously defined financial titans and expose what they do, there is value in both

>>21688062
You sound like a massive faggot.

>>21688079
>nebulously defined financial titans
They’re not nebulously defined, their HQs are in Wall Street, London, Switzerland, and Malvern PA (Vanguard) and their financial structures/influences/networks and leadership are public knowledge.

>>21688092
Yeah

People can complain about faggots in their art, but go be punk then. If you want to be punk, go live in the trash with the rest of them.

Being right-wing is, in fact, cool and rebellious and punk right now.

>>21688101
Nebulously defined in this thread

nah. it was cool up to, like 2014. Now its screeching boomers getting targeted by click-bait on facebook

>>21688148
hes not gonna write a fucking book in this thread just to spoonfeed zoomers. he posted multiple books that go in depth on the subject.

>>21688062
what would you consider to be contemporary right-wing culture?

>>21687419
Macaulay's History of England

>>21688163
Sounds like you agree that they were nebulously defined itt

>>21688176
no. nice try kiddo.

>>21688103
I already live in the trash. It's fine. What I can't stand is faggotry. I don't even mind homosexuality or delicacy if it's sincere, like in Mishima. I can even tolerate primness if it hides something precious underneath, like in Mann. But faggotry is something else. It's a weakness of character. It's a cult to decadence. These people are incapable of creating or appreciating art. What pleasure can you get from going to the opera and being surrendered by faggots who don't even begin to understand the vital force behind creating something? They are just inhabiting the ruins of a previous civilization that they themselves eroded with their decadence. I'd rather live in the filth and being surrounded by life than destroying what should be sacred, like jews do.

>>21688183
this man has a soul

>>21688180
wait are you talking about jews?

>>21687600
Aside from you having zero scientific evidence to verify this claim, it's just an absurd argument to begin with.

>>21687600
given the current state of affair, it's not better out there

>>21688062

>I'm convinced anti-Semitism is a form of slave morality.

Not entirely off. Just need a good dicking, as fits their nature. What to do when someone's asking to know their place ... :)

>>21688169
Not him but the only thing I could point to as being almost entirely right wing is being a gymcel

>>21687691
What exactly is their endgame though? They're not maximizing the production of capital. Most of what they do makes no sense at all from the standpoint of simple greed

>>21687639
>i-is that a child born to an unmarried couple?? argggghhhh im going insane!

>>21688507
the truth will sound too schizo to people.
tl;dr reject the brain chip

>>21687291
There's no such thing as "counter-culture" as that implies there is some singular powerful culture to rebel against, rather than many different cultures.
It is only in the context of there being some pre-dominant view that a particular stance is viewed as "counter". So if you live in a small town that is extremely conservative the picture on the left is still counter-culture, but the same is not true in a big city where liberal views are dominant.
Irrespective of your own actual political influence, painting yourself as the rebellious victim will always be more appealing to people (especially young people).

>>21687291
As people get older they tend to realize regardless of ideology that humans were meant to live in happy, loving, monogamous relationships and raise offspring. It’s HARDCODED. Even if you are some brainwormed anti-natalist, no matter how strongly you maintain your beliefs, your body has an objective chemical directive that will get harder and harder to ignore. You are descended from an unbroken line going back to the BEGINNING OF TIME and EVERY SINGLE ONE OF YOUR ANCESTORS HAD SEX AND REPRODUCED. Your brain and body will literally punish you for not having children. Ever wonder why these “child-free” people never grow out of their drug addictions, impulsive self-satisfying behaviors, etc? Because they never have to develop maturity and never reach an understanding of god because they have never truly experienced creation or love or destruction of the Self. That’s why they have to make 50 posts a day about how much fun their life is. They’re miserable.

Sorry, this delta 8 pen is hitting and I got off on a tangent. The point is that the kingdom of god is before you, and you should be fruitful and multiply.

This is all assuming that the image is claiming that 80s countercultural youth *turned into* trads.

If the image is actually claiming that the simple act of getting married and having kids is now countercultural, that’s the dumbest shit I’ve ever heard and you’re a stupid loser who should consider getting his dick wet

>>21688510
>be poorfag
>see broken families as the norm
>go to college
>all the rich kids pushing to destroy the nuclear family come from stable households with married parents
>all those kids eventually get married to each other and build their own stable families
Uh...?

>>21687639
>more children were born out of wedlock for THE FIRST TIME IN AMERICAN HISTORY this year
Yeah cause nobody gets married right out high school anymore retard. Marriage today is for most only after you've settled down and have a decent amount saved.

>>21688524
I've considered every schizo possibility from this being Revelations to ayy lmao parasites, to the mundane alternatives, but I dont really find any of them convincing. I just dont understand what the fuck theyre doing

>>21687291
If you actually got off your computer and met real people you'd realize it's still common to see couples having kids. Stop seeing the world through whatever social media or the internet filters for.

>>21688568
Statistically less people than ever are having kids. You accuse him of seeing the world through a warped lens, but he's factually right. It's insane how the world is collapsing in front of us but some people just refuse to accept it.

>>21688507
Total dominance of the economic, military and political spheres of global society; greed is but one vice towards this end. My ultimate intuition is that this is all emergent macro-behavior akin to Conways Game of Life but within human society playing out on a global, historical scale towards a teleological climax of history.

>>21688583
Now that bioleninists have almost total control of every institution, they will never admit that they have turned the world into a shithole, no matter how evident it is, and even if they are hard pressed to accept that things are getting worse, they will just blame the right wing boogeyman and they will tell you with a straight face that the answer is to double down on leftism. These people have no shame.

>>21688583
So I should be mad that more people are having kids out of wedlock, but also at the same time mad that people aren't having enough kids?

>>21688554
They are evil and insane and possessed by demons. Just don't let them chip you when the time comes.

>>21688527
There is a dominant culture though

>>21687291
Here it is [ ________ ]
There’s no book this stupid. Sure, there’s a couple of strains of fascism duking it out to see what capitalists will rule your technological nightmare future, but the “counter culture” is still just that same old menace you’ve never heard of called civilization.

>>21688625
Not really

>>21688601
You should be concerned that society is getting worse, that less kids are being born, and that the ones who are being born will have a tougher life than they should, partly because they are being born out of wedlock. Are you playing retarded? Seriously.

>>21688619
>dont let them chip you
I mean no shit but that doesnt really explain it. Demonic possession...idk

>>21688639
>Are you playing retarded?
Uhmm, no? Why should I care that kids are being born out of wedlock lmao? We're not living in the 1800s anymore, grandpa. Women don't have to endure shitty men just so their kids can have a dad at home. Single mothers are perfectly capable of doing a great job raising their children.

>>21688639
Nah you seem like the retard cause you can't grasp how those two aims contradict each other.
You're mad that people are having less kids, but also angry at those that do because they don't follow your retarded Christfag traditions strictly enough.

>>21688653
excellent satire
>>21688658
actual retard

>>21688637
How about: there are some subcultures which are typically portrayed more negatively in media than others

>>21688583
The argument is that the new counterculture is straight couples having kids, not there being fewer kids. Your reading comprehension is ass.

>>21688669
>actual retard
Why? The only retard is the guy whining that people are not getting married to have kids. First he complain that not enough children are being born, but then he throws a fit because they are born out of wedlock? He can't even make his mind about it. So does he want more children or not?

>>21688662
>actual retard
Give me a practical reason why I need to marry before having kids if I am not religious.
I don't see why it matters.

>>21688677
It dramatically increases the chances of a couple staying together to raise their children, you fucking retard. Kids who grow up with single mothers are at an incredible disadvantage in almost every metric.

>>21688677
Statistics About Fatherless Homes
#1. 85% of youth who are currently in prison grew up in a fatherless home. (Texas Department of Corrections)
#2. 7 out of every 10 youth that are housed in state-operated correctional facilities, including detention and residential treatment, come from a fatherless home. (U.S. Department of Justice)
#3. 39% of students in the United States, from the first grade to their senior year of high school, do not have a father at home. Children without a father are 4 times more likely to be living in poverty than children with a father. (National Public Radio)
#4. Children from fatherless homes are twice as likely to drop out from school before graduating than children who have a father in their lives. (National Public Radio)
#5. 24.7 million children in the United States live in a home where their biological father is not present. That equates to 1 in every 3 children in the United States not having access to their father. (National Public Radio)
#6. Girls who live in a fatherless home have a 100% higher risk of suffering from obesity than girls who have their father present. Teen girls from fatherless homes are also 4 times more likely to become mothers before the age of 20. (National Public Radio)
#7. 57% of the fatherless homes in the United States involved African-American/Black households. Hispanic households have a 31% fatherless rate, while Caucasian/White households have a 20% fatherless rate. (National Public Radio)
#8. In 2011, 44% of children in homes headed by a single mother were living in poverty. Just 12% of children in married-couple families were living in poverty. (U.S. Census Bureau)
#9. Children who live in a single-parent home are more than 2 times more likely to commit suicide than children in a two-parent home. (The Lancet)
#10. 72% of Americans believe that a fatherless home is the most significant social problem and family problem that is facing their country. (National Center for Fathering)

>>21688015
I'm still in the mindset that the "conscientious players" follow their own kind of programming, in other words it's less Machiavellian and more short-term profit loops. But I'm definitely going to give your recommended reads a read, thank you.
>Sure, they’ve carved out their power niche, but to hyper fixate on them misses the bigger picture, and all proposed “solutions” from this hyper fixated perspective consequently will not actually solve the problems we are facing, in fact it’s easily weaponized and turned back on the people who try to attack the system from this approach.
Spot on

>>21688681
>Kids who grow up with single mothers are at an incredible disadvantage in almost every metric.
Nah. Single moms may have less money and may be more busy, but they care as much about their kids as any married woman, if not more. And if you're concerned they are having a hard time raising their kids, then maybe we should support them instead of criticize them?

>>21688685
What is correlation doesn't imply causation for $15, Alex?

>>21688669
>there are some subcultures which are typically portrayed more negatively in media than others
True I agree, but there is no singular media anymore. We don't live in an age where there's only three t.v channels. The internet has enabled people to find whatever media that they like, and which fits with their own values.

>>21687318
Gem

>>21688685
ok but how many of them are Black buddy

>>21688693
That's pretty racist of you anon

>>21688696
it's not a completely even playing field though. Politically incorrect / alt-right culture has practical zero representation on television or large distribution networks; the sole exception was cancelled after six episodes because its values were so incompatible with the mainstream

>>21687485
>disinformation campaign
Like your post?

>>21688716
>Politically incorrect / alt-right culture has practical zero representation on television or large distribution networks; the sole exception was cancelled after six episodes because its values were so incompatible with the mainstream
I agree that this is true mainstream media, especially hollywood is overwhelmingly liberal. I was just pointing out that in the age of the internet what is the "dominant culture" becomes a bit more complicated because of the internet where you can choose to subscribe to media which aligns with your own values.
If I'm a traditional conservative and dislike what I see on mainstream media, I can go subscribe to a bunch of figures I like on youtube or whatever.

>>21688743
>on youtube
You must be a cuckservative if you think there are many people worth subscribing to in youtube. Genuinely right wing channels are extremely niche, they don't get pushed by the algorithm at all, and if they become big youtube will either unlist their videos or simply delete the channels. Sure, there's rumble and bitchute, which are not completely free of censorship either, but most people don't even know about them. How is that so different than printing your own samizdat back in the day? Sure, a rumble video may still get to more people than a samizdat, but a youtube video being pushed by google has such a ridiculous reach that the rumble video is still comparatively a worse medium that a shitty samizdat you give to your friends.

>What is correlation doesn't imply causation for $15, Alex?

>>21688688
>I'm still in the mindset that the "conscientious players" follow their own kind of programming, in other words it's less Machiavellian and more short-term profit loops.
There are definite greed bags who are looting without much of a care or goal in the world beyond that and use economic and political tools toward perpetuating that cycle, but I have no doubt there are elites who fall under that Machiavellian scheme, who know fully what they are doing and the historical circumstances that they are within. This is a question of elite motivations, and at least as far as my studies have taken me, understanding their motivations is hard due to the complications of diversity among elite agents along with the pure epistemological problem of even being able to know what dirt bags like klaus schwab or bill gates, etc actually think, how they operate, their endgame, etc. This is a fine area of research pioneering possibly.
>I'm definitely going to give your recommended reads a read, thank you.
No problem, always happy to help spread the realist-pill and it’s foundational thought

>>21688685
This is all true, but not what I asked. You've given me an overarching reason in terms of social utility, which tells me you are actually a progressive, since your argument is essentially that it benefits the poors. There's no essential reason as to why someone like me should participate in a ceremony that I don't believe in.
I might get married as a show of commitment to a partner or if my parents really expect me to do so, but it's not essential for me to do so.

>>21688767
>there are many people worth subscribing to in youtube
I didn't say there were worthy youtubers according to my standards, but that with the internet you can choose whatever media you happen to like. Like this place...

>>21688781
Hmmm, sweety, you're only showing that you care for society and other people, but how does that affect me? I'm like not poor.

>>21688643
The more rational side of me sees it as a kind of human software gone mad, kind of like what I think >>21688593 is referring to.
Humanity normally reaches a certain decadent period, which leads to all sorts of software/hardware going haywire, but we're in such a technologically advanced age that the decadence might last long past its due, and/or the inevitable fall will be catastrophic on a worldwide scale.
I got around to reading the bible some years back, and one thing that really stood out to me was the idea of idolatry. When we don't give God his due (or Truth, or human humility in the face of the Awesome Power, whatever you conceive), a vacuum forms and we fills ourselves with all kinds of crazy shit. We've hit such a massive scale of idolatry, again in a technologically advanced age, that things are going to get real fucky.
The more schizo side of me doesn't see "haywire software/hardware" and "demonic possession" as mutually exclusive. Of course you can substitute demon for a malevolent, non-corporeal force beyond our material conception.
Finally the hope I have is an intuition deep down that this won't be a permanent state of affairs for us. You referenced Revelations in an earlier post, and I think it's going to be akin to something like that, though not in a definite end of all humanity and earth. We're going to have something more akin to the fall of Babel. It's just the nature of this world that the towers we construct come crashing down by divine intervention/human hubris, which again are not mutually exclusive.

>>21688790
>you're only showing that you care for society and other people, but how does that affect me? I'm like not poor.
I'm not wealthy if that's what you are implying, my point was that what you gave me was an argument in terms of overall societal good--the idea being that most people should marry since it's a net benefit for poor people, as marriage ensures that Daddy can't skip town.
A fine sociological observation but beyond the fun of participating in the tradition or making a show of commitment, there's no essential reason or necessity for someone like me to get married. Spewing stats at me means nothing to me. You could also find a bunch of stats about how drug use or all kinds of things are associated with poverty and bad outcomes, and none of that gives me a real reason that is personally compelling.
Getting married is costly and can end badly. If I'm in a good place someday and find someone I love I might get married, but I might not.

>>21688743
Sure it becomes a bit more complicated, but everybody knows that The Late Show with Stephen Colbert is a more culturally mainstream program than Infowars. It's countercultural, it's jsut that we can access countercultural media easier than any time in history

>>21688814
I've been pretty interested in the occult the past few years. Most of the time I feel like demons cant actually be real, and it's just silly, but there is still something which prevents me from "testing" this by doing a ritual. I guess the fact that if they do end up being real I'm doing something rather dangerous, and if they arent well then the whole thing is pointless.

>>21688183
I try to avoid making a post that amounts to "I agree", but that's really well said.