/lit/ - Literature

>>21659377
"Despite his profound pessimism, Schopenhauer vehemently rejects suicide as an unworthy affirmation of the will to life by those who seek to escape rather than seek nondiscursive knowledge of Will in suffering. "

>>21659396
Why would you want to know about something you're denying yourself?

>>21659402
It's ultimate stupidity, he might be the worst philosopher ever. Watch but don't live.

Suffer for nothing is his message.

>>21659377
It seems that many are filtered by the idea. Or maybe they have never seen anyone suffer. But suffering is bad and must be stopped.

>>21659377
>Why are you afraid of pain more than you're afraid of dying?
Why someone should be afraid of death, it is apparently inevitable and it also seems that everything ends right there.

>>21659377
I have the same problem with Schoppa. Buddhists have a reason not to kill themselves: Samsara. The whole idea of Buddhism is that you reincarnate (Westerners hate this bit), you are part of a negative cycle of reincarnation. All the shit that Buddhists do is aimed at escaping this cycle and becoming free, that is, achieving Nirvana and becoming a Buddha/Bodhisattva. If you strip Buddhism of the reincarnation/samsara element there is absolutely no reason not to blow your brains out.
>>21659396
Why the fuck would I seek knowledge when I can just kill myself and be done with it? If everything's so shit. It makes no sense. Schopenhauer was a fucking retard. I completely agree with everything he says but he just chickens out on killing yourself, probably because he wanted to get his dick wet or some other petty reason.

>>21659377
Because he was a hypocrite.

>>21659377
Buddhists don't kill themselves because being a human is the ideal incarnation to try and break the cycle of rebirth.

Without that superstition a secular Buddhism would just be a suicide cult.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sokushinbutsu

because he was suicided when he was born

Schopenhauer on suicide and negation of the will
https://michalmasny.com/resources/SOSNW.pdf
He is in favour of one suicide method: fasting to death.

>>21659981
It is literally the most miserable way to die.

>>21659377
>1. Why would you suffer the pain of living if you're just going to deny life?

reincarnation and killing oneself would mean less time to improve your chances of getting enlightened /thread

>>21659377
Because Arthur Schopenhauer was the name of an organism designed to fight tooth and nail for survival despite knowledge of futility.

>>21659957
>superstition
It's not superstition because reincarnation does not require anything supernatural, but rather internal changes of perception with regards to time and release of hallucinogens. Rat brains have been proven to be capable of producing DMT, from humans we know that the brain has everything it needs to make it. There is nothing about muh science that rules out reincarnation as an experience.

>>21659991
I don't think so it's literally slowly devouring yourself so it's not very painful. It is uncomfortable though, the mouth is dry, you feel cold, and ache. But also you can feel euphoric dying this way. Bonus: you don't shit yourself when you die


In this video a women fast to death. She doesn't seem to be in much pain.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FpEwH6AKeVA&list=LL&index=28

>>21660004
>reincarnation is just when you use drugs during this life
Moving the goalpoasts a bit lad

My conclusion is that it is meaningless to commit suicide as it is to live, but you are going to die anyway. Adopt a child or an animal. Idk, you can do something that eliminates suffering even if it's a crumb.

>>21660004
And, it wasn't superstition for the early buddhists either, any more than phenomenology is superstition. The difference is Buddhists were mostly phenomenologists of various altered states achieved by meditative techniques. They entered states where their time perception went completely awry, and they entered other dimensions as a result of grasping at such a moment, which is what happens at death.

Although, there is one caveat: the suicide booths of Switzerland, and general hospital induced euthanasias. Is it possible to make the death so easy that there is absolutely no experience, and no grasping, at all and so break the samsara?

>>21660016
what if life is filled with tedium and toils? while you are living these things are painful so if you can why not commit suicide instead of prolonging a shit birth?

>>21660011
That's what samsara means. You're still going to live and suffer, for a lifetime, with similar phenomenal characteristics as what our world has. And what's more, when you realize this is possible, you realize that it is possible you are multiple loops in since due to past memories you will carry over the primordial facts of birth and death, much as you carry over facets of real life to a dream.

The problem isn't that you die, that would be easy and comfortable. The problem is that you won't die and are stuck in samsara.

>>21659377
I made the same question to myself during a shroom trip, the answer I arrived to is that philosophy/art/writing tickled him enough to keep going. This kind of scenarios are better explained by Nietzsche's will to power than by Schopenhauer's will

>>21660034
I think this is some highly contrived Western hippie (neurotic atheist Jews really if you look at who brought Buddhism west during the 60s) interpretation of Buddhism to somehow leave out the supernatural whereas none of the traditional countries ever felt the need to do this and don't mind reincarnation and deities and magical powers et cetera at all.

>>21660034
>just make a lot of shit up
the power of eastern thought

>>21660004
>>21660022
You are both retards. No, Buddhism makes it very clear that you don't get to use the Swiss suicide booths. Even those Japanese monks who bury themselves alive would get bitch-slapped by the Buddha. In Minecraft.

>>21659981
>Because... BECAUSE YOU JUST CAN'T OK??

>>21660049
No, it's you that has a materialist scientism conception of supernatural as something categorically inaccessible which still should be approached as a hysterical over-reaction to the scientistic thinking. Your split of supernatural into this neurotic corner is indicative of this. I am talking about the exact same thing as ancient Buddhists: phenomenal reincarnation is real reincarnation, as it is all you know. You can locate these things in the context of science and gain further knowledge about them unless you are scientistically minded in the most dogmatic sense.

>>21660063
Yeah it's just cope. The only pessimist true to his spirit was Hegesias. He convinced so many people to kill themselves he was banned from teaching philosophy.

>None of this, however, is as strong as the testimony of Cicero,[4] who claims that Hegesias wrote a book called Death by Starvation (Greek: ἀποκαρτερῶν), in which a man who has resolved to starve himself is introduced as representing to his friends that death is actually more to be desired than life, and that the gloomy descriptions of human misery which this work contained were so overpowering that they inspired many people to kill themselves, in consequence of which the author received the surname of Death-persuader (Peisithanatos). The book was said to have been published at Alexandria, where he was, in consequence, forbidden to teach by king Ptolemy II Philadelphus (285–246 BC).

>>21660076
>. I am talking about the exact same thing as ancient Buddhists
No you are not, they speak of actual reincarnation of a diseased person into a new person. It's very literal.

>>21660062
Buddhists didn't have all the modern information: they didn't have the means during their time to deaden consciousness as completely as we may do today. And since samsara is a consequence of mental events like grasping, hence phenomenal (hence the people who accuse me of neo-buddhism should stfu), with the closing of mental events, the problem should be solved. Only thing is, I'm not sure if we can be sure of anyone's total unconsciousness: we found out way too late that people have experience even within deep comas, anyway. So ultimately, I guess you're right, sicne there can always be a sliver of experience, but hopefully you don't just go by dogmatic opinion instead of taking in new information and trying to think about that too.

>>21660091
In the 12 links, the chain of birth and death is caused by the mental event of grasping. It's just grasping. This already makes it clear that restricting samsara to phenomenality is perfectly consistent with early Buddhism.

>>21660099
For grasping to persist after the death of the organism there must be some spookiness going on. Which is fine to Buddhists, they love spookiness, there's no need to jump through hoops and make up a complex new age alternative just so that you can eat your cake and have it too.

>>21660081
I read a speculative reconstruction of his apokarteron it's pretty convincing. https://www.academia.edu/39345959/THE_APOKARTERON


expect I don't understand why it than says this:
"In 2017, a new wave of texts was recovered from the Herculaneum. By far the most significant
find was Hegesias of Cyrene’s notorious work, the Apokarteron, ‘The Man Who Starves Himself to Death’. Cicero’s summary of this text in Tusc. 1.34 is now found to be largely accurate"
maybe it's the sell the idea of it being genuine?

>>21660097
Dude samsara is 100% spiritual stuff. Buddhism has a Hell. Speak to a contemporary bhikkhu and he will confirm to you, because he is a Buddhist, that yes, reincarnation is totally what he believes in, and that means, literally, that if you are a cunt you reincarnate as a monkey or whatever. This is a part that is just there in Buddhism, mayahana, hinayana. There's no "missing modern information" just like there's no explaining Jesus' miracles as anything other than miracles. Buddhism is a religion that is founded upon supernatural elements. That is why Buddhists don't just 12 gauge their face into budda-budda hood.

>>21660110
>For grasping to persist after the death of the organism
It happens in the infinitely divisible span of time leading up to your death. Your whole afterlife happens while you are still technically dying, in the very last second. Your whole phenomenal experience breaks down and there is grasping, which is why you will stay in samsara. Only with perfect equanimity of the Buddha can you ascend from the cycle. That's the basis of the cyclical nature of reality, as we can talk about it anyway, as possibly consistent with science. Of course, all these chemicals too, exist only within this cycle of dreams, so it's not like this is in any way materialism, but they are clues for us within it.

>>21660127
Buddhism having a hell doesn't contradict anything I said. And obviously, it makes sense they won't kill themselves, since even with killing yourself you won't actually die but will just wind up back in the samsara as your perception streams towards the breakdown of reality and you frantically grasp for a new one. So the task of a Buddhist is to prepare for death so that he won't fall into the trap.

Fight for the Lord. Eliminate suffering. Don't kys

>>21659377

ask AI schoepenhauer why he didn't kill himself?

You can't kill yourself because
1. you can't destroy government property
2. you can't destroy Gods property

>>21660156
unintentionally funny AI is the best AI

actually it's the only good AI

>>21660120
Thank you, very interesting. I didn't know the text was found. It seems like that is an actual translation instead of a speculative reconstruction though?

>>21660129
It's a nice theory that all reincarnation is just a subjectively timewarmed near death experience but to present it as orthodox buddhism is unwarranted.

>>21660175
It mentions it as being a reconstruction. Maybe some of it was found but damaged, and than partially reconstructed.

>>21659377
Dumb questions desu. The important thing is he didn't have offspring.

>>21660189
Yeah it mentions it in the text as well I see now, apparently there are some :

>fortunately for modern scholars, the Epicurean who owned the library kept this text in duplicate, so that virtually any lacunae found in one scroll could be filled by the other. The following translation draws on the editio princeps of Moritz Streckeisen, and adopts many of his conjectures.

Apologies, I'm tired and retarded.

>>21660190
The only reason he didn't have offspring is because of the girl he got pregnant outside of wedlock had a stillbirth.

>>21660201
schop couldn't live up to his own principles

>>21660211
The last perfect man got nailed to a cross.

>>21660211
In all of pessimism there's only one who kept it real

>>21660181
Why is there death? was Buddha's first question. And the answer was that there is death because there is birth. Birth exists due to becoming and becoming exists due to grasping. Which means that death is conditioned by mental and phenomenal factors. At that point it is clear that it is senseless to talk of total material non-being in Buddhism, despite it being a reality for us. Against this background, my interpretation is at the very least completely consistent with Buddha's teachings and his view of reality.

https://encyclopediaofbuddhism.org/wiki/Twelve_links_of_dependent_origination#Contemplating_the_chain_in_forward_and_reverse_order
> conditioned by birth is (12) old-age and death—grief, lamentation, pain, sorrow, and despair come into being.
>conditioned by becoming is (11) birth
>conditioned by grasping is (10) becoming

>>21660265
*reality for us in the sense that we can see corpses and such, which is why they are such an important object of mindfulness in the Pali Canon

>>21659377
you obviously haven't read Schopenhauer because he addresses suicide in that book.
so the real question is why are you making threads about stuff you haven't even read?

>>21659377
"Dying is scary" is the only real response from anti-natalists and pessimists I usually see. Honestly I'd call it a copout if it wasn't for how extremely afraid of death I also am.

>>21660503
Just goes to show we are not motivated by reason even though we like to pretend we are. Having a rational framework for why life sucks is easy, going against billions of years of survival instinct because of something as new and abstract and ephemeral as a philosophical argument isn't.

In a way they should have some empathy for the normies who breed in spite of their arguments, since they themselves are condemned by their own irrational desires to stay alive.

>>21659943
>If you strip Buddhism of the reincarnation/samsara element there is absolutely no reason not to blow your brains out.
Indeed.

>>21660523
>irrational desires
Or so it would seem...

Honestly I am just working myself up the courage at this point. Every year I just get proven more right. Literally everyone is a cunt.

What's with Schoppy saying that he hates philosophical language that obfuscates and than he adds some French, Greek or Latin phrase without translating it? I speak English you stupid fuck

>>21659377
False dichotomy.

>>21660738

>>21660717
Pangloss… easy on the teleology

>>21660796
those are two different things, he spoke to an educated audience where latin and greek expressions are common ground, while the usual critique against the use of language goes to other contemporary philosophers like Hegel where you literally won't understand shit

Because he was living a good life.

>From the age of 45 until his death 27 years later Schopenhauer lived in Frankfurt-am-Main. He lived alone, in ‘rooms’, and every day for 27 years he followed an identical routine. He rose every morning at seven and had a bath but no breakfast: he drank a cup of strong coffee before sitting down at his desk and writing until noon. At noon he ceased work for the day and spent half-an-hour practising the flute, on which he became quite a skilled performer. Then he went out for lunch at the Englischer Hof. After lunch he returned home and read until four, when he left for his daily walk: he walked for two hours no matter what the weather. At six o'clock he visited the reading room of the library and read The Times. In the evening he attended the theatre or a concert, after which he had dinner at a hotel or restaurant. He got back home between nine and ten and went early to bed. He was willing to deviate from this routine in order to receive visitors: but with this exception he carried it through for 27 years.

Born to wealthy family

It never started for me

>>21660900
Pretty sure his dad died when he was young and that Schopenhauer didn't even start school until his mid twenties because he had to play the breadwinner for his family. Could be thinking of someone else though.

>>21659377
First three questions imply life exists in this world, which it doesn't. Last question is easy: since death is the only guarantee here it makes sense to be less afraid of it than pain.

>>21659943
>achieving Nirvana and becoming a Buddha/Bodhisattva
A bodhisattva is someone who's achieved Nirvana but refused, delaying it out of compassion There are different versions, but the compassion for all living things is a key theme.

>>21659943
>If you strip Buddhism of the reincarnation/samsara element there is absolutely no reason not to blow your brains out.

>Why the fuck would I seek knowledge when I can just kill myself and be done with it?

Pretty transactional there, anon. If you wake up and have nothing other than the calculation "What's in it for me?" to face the world with, of course you'll be a miserable idiot. Ultimately, what's in it for all of us is decline and death. Sooner or later.

Try that compassion shit out, actual compassion, not seeking reward but seeking less suffering in the world. That's what makes Schnoopenhooer look stupid.

>>21660796
He actually hated English because his dad was a major anglophile.

>>21660004
>muh DMT spontaneous in the brain
yeah okay look go over there and sit down.

>>21659377
He literally talks about this
Killing your self is not will denial

>YOU HAVE TO DENY THE WILL BECAUSE YOU JUST HAVE TO OKAY???!!??

>>21660006
How did you find this video?
Is she Jewish, do it thanks the jssa at the end. Is suicide permitted in any religion?

I love fasting, I’d probably want to go out fasting (or dying in battle (not bleeding out from wounds though)) I can’t imagine such a spiritually invigorating practice being used to intentionally end my life.

>>21661283
Yeah, I think she's Jewish. I found the video probably by searching google because I'm considering fasting to death.

Suicide is condemned by most religions to varying degrees. But nature itself provides our intellect with poisonous plants as if it were a consolation for our human consciousness.
Jews are very against suicide and sometimes do not give funerals to the suicide. But it's not as though they believe yhwh will burn someone in hell forever for it. The Bible also has many examples of suicide and never does it speak of God being mad at the action.
Some religions (ainu, hindu, theosophy) believe that the soul of the suicide roams earth to when it otherwise would've have died. And its not meant to be a great rebirth.
Its sometimes righteous in far Eastern religions like Daoism, Confucianism and Shinto.
The Quran forbids it outright, for all Abrahamic religions God basically owns you so can't destroy yourself.

I came to realize that I could die by fasting after I did a 4 day dry fast and found it euphoric and very pleasing but ever since I decided that I would like to die by fasting I have found it more difficult to fast.

>>21660738
People who off themselves measure their psyching up in seconds, not years.

You'll never escape, faggot, you're stuck here with the rest of us.

>>21660900
God Every day I wish I were born rich.

Would've just neeted it up for life. The amusing thing is that my mother married by dad thinking his father was rich—how well that turned out!

>>21661283
>>21661312
Holy fuck don't fast to death you stupid fucking retards. Like really, I'm not going to waste time writing an exhortation but this is 100% retarded.

If you fail or get turned off in any way your stomach will have shrunken to much to actually enable revictualing, and—oh heavens!—the pain, oh the pain! Read about the mass suicides into the Tiber by the famished and buy a rope like a sensible person.

I think he made a pretty rational case for the underlying metaphysics of the world being volitional, which is pretty incredible. I wish people would talk about that more, apart from any of the pessimistic conclusions he drew from this realization.

>>21661194
I was not making a critique of Buddhism, but simply pointing out that without the supernatural concepts it has no leg to stand on. You'd just kill yourself because what's the point? Karma doesn't exist. If you do actions out of compassion in this world, there's a 90% chance you'll get exploited into doing a greater harm than good. It's useless. Buddhists KNOW it's useless, just like Christians know it's useless to focus on this world, so these religions tell you to focus on what comes next. That's why Christians don't kill themselves either. WIthout the afterlife there's no reason to.

>>21661353
>I was not making a critique of Buddhism, but simply pointing out that without the supernatural concepts it has no leg to stand on. You'd just kill yourself because what's the point?

Funny this is just basically what's coming/already here for western society. No religion, no afterlife, we live in a time when the dominant belief is basically, "one life and done", and when you die it's functionally identical to how the buddhist conceives of nibbana. The materialist atheist conception of death is just basically nibbana Body dies, no more consciousness. Flame goes out.

I always found it funny these westerner types grew up thinking "one life and done", have some sort of existential crisis and convert to buddhism whose goal (nibbana) was the very thing guaranteed under their prior worldview. Ironic.

>>21659775
Literally me.

>>21661487
I strongly doubt that Westerners who subscribe to McBuddhism think about Nirvana in actual terms. It's pretty much granted that they'll believe that Buddhism is a philosophy. I've argued with many people, mostly women, about this. They just insist that Buddhism is like Stoicism basically. They think Nirvana is a state you achieve in the current life you're living that is just vaguely being happy and having no worries while you keep working your day job. Normies in general have puddle deep thoughts that aren't even logically interconnected. I'm not a genius but normalfags are sincerely fucking retarded and I've resigned to the fact that they don't really think about what they do.

>>21661523
doesn't help that these sam harris types have sold this idea of buddhism to westerners as if it's just some tool for your mind to help you be more productive at work LOL

>>21661016
>Could be thinking of someone else though
You do. Schop's father did die early, but he left them a big sum of money. Schop invested his part in bonds and never worked a day in his life.

>>21661805
So jealous. I mean, I think I'd have preferred a proper father figure than a comfortable inheritance, but lacking the former, and even in a hypothetical world it being quite unlikely, the latter sounds rather nice.

>>21659981
Based jain spirit schoppy

>>21659377
he wrote an essay called 'On Suicide' read it.

>>21659981
>fasting to death.
so fucking based

>>21661203
>Killing your self is not will denial
What you shitheads just don't get is Schopy wasn't a materialist realist. He believed in the primacy of thought (idealism) and that everything is one essence (will) and this will can't be killed.

Killing others not ourselves is the best way to minimise suffering

Schopenhauer was a prolific serial killer but obviously couldn’t disclose that

If you really negated your will, you’d negate your will to suicide as well.

>>21661570
Yeah when I talk to normies about Buddhism and I tell them that the point is that you don't reincarnate anymore they go HUH?? THIS ISN'T WHAT BUDDHISM SAYS AT ALL! Then what does it say? And they say, it's a philosophy! Like "it's a philosophy" has a meaning of its own, you know, it's a philosophy! It's LOGICAL and BRAIN EXPANDING. It's so fucking tiring to talk to normalfags about everything that isn't chitchat. They're so fucking stupid. Even when they learn higher concepts they just repeat them like a parrot. I don't think they understand shit.

Why dint I kill myself
RIGHT
NOW

>>21659377
>If you negate your will you're basically a Buddhist. And why don't they kill themselves?

>>21659943
>If you strip Buddhism of the reincarnation/samsara element there is absolutely no reason not to blow your brains out.
Sounds like a bunch of cope.

>>21661336
>Read about the mass suicides into the Tiber by the famished
Can you elaborate on this I don't know what event you are referring to

>>21661487
hehe yea that's why I eventually stopped considering to convert

>>21662292
based

do it naow

>>21662644
>no food
>plebs mass suicide into river
What did you think it was about? Starvation is known to be one of the most painful common ways to die.

>>21662666
I mean I can't find anything about tiber mass suicides

>>21662677
The Tiber river, recounted by Livy I think/

I wish schopie had a kid. It would make me so happy

>>21662749
There’s a good chance he had, he fucked a lot of lower class women as a youth.

>>21662749
I'm imagining Calvin (of Calvin & Hobbes), but with the same weird haircut and grim expression, pacing back and forth with his hands behind his back. He lifts up his eyes and then starts with the "it would be better if there were nothing" monologue, all dramatic. Then just as he ends, his mom says, Siddartha (Schopy would've called him something like that), stop monologuing and have a slice of cake, and he runs. Maybe says something about being the devourer this time.

>>21659377
Because Schopenhauer did'nt suffered
I categorize suffering into two types:
The first is mental suffering that is tolerable and good, the more mental suffering there is, the more moral the person becomes.
>B-but I'm depressed lmao I want to kill myself!
Stop being a faggot and accept your punishment, that is, accept to live.
The second is the physical one that can be tolerable or a torment/torture. The tolerable is not bad in essence but it feeds on the second therefore it is bad. And tortuous/stormy suffering is bad.
That's why committing suicide is not permissible imo, because you should try to do something about it.

>>21663030
I have a really shitty body and now I have a costant painful condition that is straight un intolerable, but it's the mental anguish that is pushing me over the edge. I would tolerate any amount of physical pain if I had meaning, and I know this because I did live at my fullest when I was in my absolute lowest physical state, simply because I still had belief in me, and faith in people, the world and the future.

>>21662760
Imagine if he had a proper offspring from a proper marriage. Like if he saw his child grow up and all that. I wonder if it would change anything in his thinking with some stuff

People should read the philosopher before asking questions about it. Make question AFTER you read him, because the answers you have to begin with will probably be answered in the work of said philosopher.

First thing, Schopenhauer is a very strict monist. The world of multiplicity is an illusion for him, therefore the existence of mySELF and others, as distinct entities, is an illusion. To kill oneself changes nothing in the ideal level.

After one understands this, it becomes clear killing oneself is not a solution. So what is? To deny the Will. Now, the Will is the transcendental substratum, from It's nature everything arises. The denial-of-the-Will is more of a denial of the nature of the Will (desire) than a negation of the Will as an abstraction. Many people seem to confuse the Will with "life". Schopenhauer never meant that one should deny "life", since the idea of life has no place in his philosophy. One should simply deny the nature of the Will, by letting go of desires and therefore getting free from suffering.


The amount of retards who have never read Schopenhauer, and yet talk about his philosophy as if they were experts, it's outstanding in this board.

>>21663570
>The amount of retards who have never read Schopenhauer, and yet talk about his philosophy as if they were experts, it's outstanding in this board.
It's like whack-a-mole. You whack one and there's another. It get's tiring. I stopped caring after a while. In fact I think I'll just quit /lit/ now goodbye forever.

>>21663070
The world is like /b/ it was never good

>>21659377
He was wanted to make sure Hegel was really dead.

>>21661523
I had two girlfriends whe i was a normalfag. One used to describe her opinions and feelings to me as if she were a character from a b-movie, but repeating phrases she saw on facebook and generalizing all situations. And the other one was candid as fuck. It was as if she strongly believed that the world is good and his thoughts were basically that final speech from "The Dictator" with Charlie Chaplin.

>>21659377
cause he was a well-off coomer who banged top tier whores?

>>21660700
>>If you strip Buddhism of the reincarnation/samsara element there is absolutely no reason not to blow your brains out.
Who says he did this though? I think Schopie believe in reincarnation.

For suicide you need a special condition of the nervous system, an imbalance of serotonin/adrenaline, gaba
This requires a special reactive structure of the nervous system, for this reason, impulsive people with BPD most often commit suicide.
If Schopenhauer was pursued and intimidated by the government, then yes, he could have committed suicide

>>21659943
Schopenhauer believed in reincarnation

>>21662164
Now imagine this, be serial killer, you not only kill people but before that you lock them up and expose them to the existensial dread of philosphy you have mastered so much that when you finally kill them they dont want to reincarnate, and get out of samsara.
Now imagine lots of ppl doing this.
Does this eventually make the samsara/nirvana flux equilibrium crash?
Does this destroy everything? And in destroying anything does this destroy every form of suffering?

>>21659377
Short answer: essentially, in Buddhism, there is no "living as opposed to dying". There is no point to killing yourself, because there is no difference in being "alive" and being "dead". Here's a relevant writing:
"It’s like a wave who believes that she is subjected to birth and death. Every time she comes up and then begins to go down, she’s afraid of dying. But if the wave realizes that she is water, she’s no longer afraid. Before going up she is water, before going down she is water, and after going down, she continues to be water. There’s no death. So it’s very important that the wave does some meditation and realizes that she is wave, but she is at the same time water. And when she knows she is water, she is no longer afraid of dying. She feels wonderful going up; she feels wonderful going down. She’s free from fear."

>>21659377
>1. Why would you suffer the pain of living if you're just going to deny life?
The pain of living can be alleviated/can end through practice of the noble eightfold path. Abstaining from overindulgence in sensory pleasures is not at all the same as denying life, the path is to live mindfully in each moment, which is a complete celebration and acceptance of life.
>2. If you're denying life why don't you kill yourself?
As stated in the previous question, not a denial of life. Suicide is doing harm to a sentient being (yourself), and as such is harmful. Additionally, it would do no good, only cause greater suffering.
>3. If you're afraid of killing yourself why are you denying life?
Per the 2nd answer; not afraid of killing yourself, just not wanting to. The renunciation of worldly things serves to shift the focus of life to the practice of doing good and being mindful of each moment.
>4. Why are you afraid of pain more than you're afraid of dying?
Pain is a part of life. (Life involves suffering) The practice cultivates both an awareness of death, and a strength to overcome the fear of it. The Tibetan Book of Living and Dying is an excellent book regarding this topic.