/lit/ - Literature

>>21658018
They‘re like 0.3% of the population dude

>>21658023
They hate hearing that lol “it’s actually more than that close to 3%!”

>>21658023
And yet they take up 100% of the space in chud's head

>>21658023
Yes.
Isn't it insane how much sway they hold in the cultural consciousness? There are twice as many truckers as there are trannies in the US. You don't see anyone trying to cancel GTA V because of its stereotypical depictions of truckers, but as of right now and this past week, you are a certified genocidal nazi if you buy the Harry Potter game, because Rowling has the most milquetoast and mildly critical opinions of current trannydeology - which, hilariously, just ten years ago would have been seen as hyper-progressive.

>>21658023
Trannys are entirely bio engineered by big pharma both as a medical money making scheme and as a cultural wedge to divide and conquer the retarded proles while the international plutocracy steals everything that isn’t nailed to the floor and slowly chips away at democratic institutions, pushing us closer and closer to oligarchical totalitarianism

>>21658018
What is that book about?

>>21658023
What percentage of the population is the bourgeoisie?

>>21658023
Despite making up only 0.2% of the population, trans make up 52% of the internet.

>>21658023
They are trying their hardest to groom kids, from public education to anything in the media, so that number is quickly rising up and you know it you cunt.

In an online friend group I'm apart of four people became trannies in the past five years. Geeks and autistics see it as a solution for their social friction in "perhaps I don't feel like I fit in because I'm denying my real gender/sexuality." I think in the next few decades there will be a sizable portion of especially younger people who thought they were queer and then grew out if it, preferable to the alternative which is actually going through with sexual reassignment surgery and irrevocably damaging their bodies.

>>21658018
why is semiotext so based
every one of their books is a winner. i especially liked Atta even though it probably got me on a watchlist

>>21658123
>Geeks and autistics see it as a solution for their social friction in "perhaps I don't feel like I fit in because I'm denying my real gender/sexuality."

I think a lot of them pursue it due to the perception of acknowledgement, i.e. they see "females" get more attention; since they've been, essentially, sexually ignored, they pursue that aesthetic to bring attention to themselves.

A lot of this stupidity resides in people thinking the metaphysical is material.

>>21658023
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>>21658031
>>21658041
Trannies are the modern day kikes.
Apparently only 0.3% of the population yet the loudest and most controlling group of people that currently exists.

>>21658065
>>What is that book about?
Troons

The Future Is Trans

>>21658312
ill never forgive these trannies for ruining cyberpunk

>>21658064
They are a trojan horse for transhumanism. Reject the chip even if it means laying down your life.

>>21658318
cyberpunk was always tranny. all sci-fi is but cyberpunk is the worst.

>>21658325
there are no trannies in neuromancer

>>21658330
it is spiritual trannyism. and molly is like a dude.

>>21658358
that's just bad writing of muh strong womyn, she's not a dude who trannied out

>>21658318
Cyberpunk is full-on techno degenerate setting, trannies fit in perfectly in the medical mega-corp brainwashing scenery. Probably the only game where they actually fit in.

>>21658318
>>21658325
In cyberpunk worlds, everything is a merchandise. Even people and their bodies. Blabla pornography and prostitution. So, even the body of trannies is merchandise. That's what you have to understand, retards.

>>21658408
>>21658419
Good takes. This modern tranny shit gets pushed for multiple reasons, but the pharmaceutical industry pushes it because trannies rely on their drugs, and the medical industry as a whole pushes it because there's money to be made with elective surgeries. Trannies are consoomers to be marketed to, and there's no grift like the pharma grift.

>>21658018
Kind of. In the sense that the Young-Girl isn't necessarily a young girl; it needn't be especially feminine, but it does fit the sissified agp to a T (pun?). Similar to Long Chu's Female, as distinct from woman (interesting book that, if for opposite conclusions: any self-respecting person, and so any self-respecting woman, would never want to be a "female", something only the worst sissified would desire – of course the deathdrivy objection that secretly everyone desires that, just a little bit: projection much? or just the tiniest bit but that don't mean it's your true-self™ to embrace and identify with, on the contrary have some decency and learn to combat that shit, this vulgarity—that, I think, would be beneficial for both men and women...).

>>21658135
For me it's their Loving Boys special

>>21658018
Not a prediction of trannies but a prediction of allies: in Silence of the Lambs there is a brief chapter on a doctor working in the John Hopkins gender clinic. He refuses to let Clarice search the archive because he doesn't want it to harm trans progress.

>>21658018
>trans epidemic
You were too cold or craven to save others during an actual epidemic, so now you've found your courage using the same rhetoric that was used against gays in the 70s by neo-fascists.

Is that it?

>>21658750
you trannies are an affront to good old fashioned deviants everywhere. not only are you sick in the head, you're also obvious and boring.

>>21658499
I'd agree if the market wasn't infinitesimally small.It's likely gatekept by wage or living standard, so will grow.

But I'd predict there are more newly-made millionaires this year than new and out trans. Why not market pointless surgeries to them instead?

>>21658762
Ah, you mean child rapists like your good self.

>>21658770
what you do is worse than rape. rape happens once and is over. what you want to do is steal their whole identity to produce more of your poisoned tribe.

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>>21658774
>rape happens once and is over
Tell me you've raped someone without telling me you've raped someone.

And would they not make a new identity? Aren't we all given our identities? Shouldn't they be earnt or discovered?

You have no answers, just impotent rage. I get it, you can't get any consensual sex, and there are people out there trying both sides. Must be frustrating.

>>21658794
said the child grooming tranny with reddit spacing

>>21658794
>tell me you're x without x
Holy go back

>>21658800
When I'm right, I'm right.

>>21658817
you're not right about shit. even if we accept your egregious whataboutism it still doesn't fly. someone can get over rape, it's psychological. men who chopped off their pricks have past the point of no return. how does it feel to be the embodiment of a social disease you freakshow

>>21658018
Baudrillard - Transparency of Evil

>>21658844
This guy's right.
The transgender industry is the single most evil cult every conceived of.
There's not even anything to compare it to, because it's worse than anything that has ever or presently exists.

>>21658817
That meme is about being confused/obsessed/ignorant and mistaking a thing for something else.
Imagine being so fucking dumb you can't into twitter memes, why would you even come to a literature board?

>>21658156
Hello fascist. Please get your head checked

>>21658312
Women with dicks are hot as fuck. Idk what y'all are on about

>>21658857
Anon we need to allow people to be psyopd by pharmaceutical companies and their media allies into expensive extreme body modification and chemical castration, even for children. If you have a problem with this you’re a fascoid bigot who just can’t accept progress.

>>21659030
try acting like a decent human being. love is love and transwomen are people with septic unhealing wounds between their filthy hairy legs

>>21658023
They absolutely are not. Nearly 1/3 of all young people consider themselves to be ostensibly LGBT. Defining transgenderism itself is extremely arbitrary and abstract. When proper surveys are taken in the future a very significant portion of young people will deem themselves to be transgender and most of them will be women who call themselves “non-binary”

>>21658018
>47 replies
>4 books mentioned
>no engagement on the content of said books except for 1 post
i love the literature board

>>21659142

>>21658954
I'm sorry you're confused about what you are.

>>21659000
Preach.

>>21659052
Ok, fluffed stats aside. Why do you think that's a bad thing?

Old feminist literature probably did. Feminists have been complaining about the troon plague since the 1970's.

>>21658023
They're common in big cities and artsy circles. You can't go to a book store or art museum without being confronted with purple haired men in dresses or young women on testosterone, it's bizarre.

>>21659176
Because LGBT people are disproportionately mentally ill. Transpeople are living a lie and gay men tend to be hyperpolygamous coomers, cislesbians are the only ones who can hope for normal relationships.

Until LGBT culture gets unfucked, being a member of it is nothing to brag about.

>t. nonbinary bisexual

>>21659240
none of any of those terms mean anything faggot

>>21658023
Nick Land was right to call them the Jews of gender.

>>21659240
Lesbians have the highest amount of domestic violence out of all couples

This was written in the late 70's.
>>21659245
Do.. do you not know what bisexual means? It's when you're attracted to both men and women, it's nothing esoteric. Nonbinary could be argued to be meaningless since most people have no gender identity, however. I'd wager at least 80% of the population would qualify as nonbinary.

>nonBInary
>BIsexual

huh

>>21658767
The existing market is relatively quite small, yes, however the pharma companies don't have to spend a penny on marketing if they don't choose to. Mainstream media (movies, tv, video games) and social networks already do most of the work for them, but I'd argue that many of the pro-trans kids articles and videos produced by "news" outlets are "sponsored," and when you consider how deep the pockets of these pharma companies are, it's very inexpensive to widen the market. That's why there's so much focus on children. Get 'em young and you've got a customer for life (the ones that don't suicide, anyway).

>>21659272
they're fucking retarded sexpest zombies.
every new year they have to come up with some new term because the old ones get dragged through the mud by their reprehensible behavior.

>>21659000
They are, I just wish they would call themselves men instead of larping as women. It will never not rustle my jimmies than women fought for the right to be gender nonconforming but men can't be arsed to fight for ladyboy rights.

>>21659299
Bisexual has been around for over 30 years and nonbinary for at least 10, they're not new anywhere outside of rural Kyrgizstan. They are very common words in the middle and upper class Western world.

>>21658018
Myra Breckinridge is really spot on about affairs nowadays. It’s even got their “abused and neglected lonely child raised entirely by pop culture media” personalities down to a T. Vidal was a prophet.

>>21659333
and you conveniently leave out all the other bullshit like 'cislesbian'
get outta here you troon. you shall not passsssss

foucault history of sexuality vo 1.
Butler - Gender trouble

Only time I ever hear about trannies is on 4chan and reddit

>>21659272
I'll help you, this thread is retarded enough anyway. bisexual means anon wants to have sex with both sexes. nonbinary means he does not FEEL like a man or a woman. he just feels like he is a person
which, I believe, we all feel like. I never go around thinking about my gender, in my head I am my thoughts and feelings and memories, whether I am a male or a female is rarely relevant to my experience. it is why it is so popular amongst zoomers(girls especially) to label themselves as nonbinary, they truly feel they are and do not consider the fact that this is normal. it does not put them in a special group.
also what the other anon said, they feel alienated and weird, like teenagers do, and they see this trend and figure: that is why! im nonbinary!!!!
strange times, but this type of shit is mostly harmless. its the cutting off dicks part that frightens me

>>21659342
I'm what they call a terf, amigo. I'm speaking tranny lingo because I assumed >>21659176 is a tranny.

>>21658321
This anon is absolutely correct. I already see leftists online speaking about how the concept of the "human" needs to be destroyed in an attempt to circumvent fascism or whatever. This sort of discourse combined with the advancements being made in tech, the merging of NGOs and global corporations with government, and liberalism's inability to serve as a basis to critique any deviations from means that the transhumanist threat grows by the day. The time to resist is now.

>>21659240
Again, what's bad about any of that. It's fucked? Why? Why do you care? It's probay not altruism, is it?

>>21659523
It's that it's not a good path for long term happiness. The problem is the poisoned culture, but the growing number of people who identify as LGBT reflects the number of people who choose to be part of it. Most young people who claim to be LGBT are bisexuals/nonbinaries who would call themselves cishet if they didn't associate with the toxic aspects of LGBT culture.

>>21659523
>Why do you care?

because what happens in the LGBT community impacts the whole world.

>>21659607
Right, so you don't have an answer, you're just 'concerned'.

Maybe ask yourself why you have these opinions. Or rather, who gave them to you.

It's hilarious how the LBGTQTPWTFBBQHIV+ "community" keeps trying to come up with all this nonsense to champion. Biological men invading women's sports? Their bathrooms? Their lesbian clubs and bars? If you don't fall in line, you're a "TERF" or whatever horseshit they come up with to smear you with. You've got alleged "feminists" throwing bricks through the windows of women's shelters that don't accept men in dresses, lmao.

I wish I could say whatever they decide to push next after the freshness of "trans rights" wears off (Zoophilia? Skip right to pedophilia?) will wake up more "LBGT allies" to how insane it all is, but I'm not going to hold my breath. We've gone from "we just want to get married" to "we just want to sexualize your kids" in stunningly little time.

>>21659624
Yeah, and?

You don't know, do you? You're just parroting something you heard or read because you can't form opinions of your own.

How do I know? Opinions come from realizations. And if you can't explain why any of this is bad, then you haven't had a realization, therefore this opinion is not your own.

>>21659639
it's not so much a slippery slope as a slippery vertical cliff

>>21659639
>Zoophilia? Skip right to pedophilia?
Probably catch a fair few conservatives and/or catholics in that net... So no. Stick to vulnerable people to pick on.

>>21659648
>And if you can't explain why any of this is bad
because you're a degenerate freakshow sexpest who sticks HIS sweaty hairy filthy balls into children's faces at drag troon story hour and then goes home to groom unsuspecting kids on discord into buying your mental illness so that more and more people are 'turned' and your repulsive ideology can be 'normalized'
well guess again freak. you will NEVER be normal.

>>21659659
The problem with projection, is we all know you do what you claim others do.

We know you have these sick desires. But you won't be caught if you pretend to be straight.

Coward.

>>21659523

>>21658018
how do i join Tiqqun

>>21659676
>Mind your own biz
That's been my point all along.

>>21659637
hating fags is hardwired into our DNA
you're only behaving like this because parasitic anal worms have taken control of your motor functions, which you likely caught through sexual abuse as a minor from the faggot community

>>21659648
Did you look at the image? The culture is bad because LGBT people are significantly more depressed than the rest of the population.

>>21659687
The collective well being of society is my business, and to that end, the attempted normalization of faggotry and genderclown insanity has been disastrous.

>>21658018
The Bible - unironically. Both Romans and Ephesians predict this mess and explain why it happened. Additionally:

- Brave New World; Huxley doesn't quite anticipate what we would call transgenderism, but does clearly anticipate gov't involvement in the sexualization of children, blurring of gender lines, social reliance on pornography and drugs, as well as other things.
>It's a film, but Federico Fellini's Satyricon, which is a scathing rebuke of homosexuality, modern society, and our perceptions of the Greco-Roman world - indeed, our tendency to aggrandize history.
>In some ways, Jean Paul Sartre's Roads to Freedom series. I would say he is foolish advocating for increased liscenciousness to a degree, but at the same time he is also marking it as inevitable.
>It isn't a book, per se, but Harold Bloom's comentaries on the "School of Resentment" in various writings and speeches of his are spot on with the entire Woke and LGBT movements. Time has vindicated him thoroughly - didn't take long.

>>21659639
>It's hilarious how the LBGTQTPWTFBBQHIV+ "community" keeps trying to come up with all this nonsense to champion
It's by design.

>>21659659
>>21659692
Your posts reek of being written by someone who thinks about other men's sweaty cornholes multiple times every day. Calm down, homo.

>>21659639
>>21659692
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>>21659705
I'm a homo. I'm anti lgbt+. I don't want this political shit. I just want to have someone I love, that I can enjoy a private life with.

>>21659714
fag

>>21659658
Pedos should be burned alive regardless of their political or religious leanings.

>>21659705
I'm sure I've seen that guy on Twitter a couple times. I should look him up and check out his writing.

>>21659714
Well, I have no problem with that. That's based. My only problems are with the with the sex obsessed part of the movement and the trannies.

>>21658018
I am convinced now that the trans rage happening in this site is a reverse psy op to turn channers into trans by not taking transexuality out of their heads. I rarely heard or saw trannies before 2020 and its like that also in real life, but since 2020 i have to acknowledge this kind of people EVERY fucking day when i enter this site to be entertained. Fuck.

>>21658023
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>>21659648
You will never be a woman.

>>21659723
as a kid when i realised i liked boys, i was scared of people knowing because they'd call me names.
as an adult i'm scared of people knowing because they might call me a part of this political freakshow.
couldn't there have been some middle ground between being ostracised or being forced to associate with the global union of freaks?

>>21659728
I've been hearing about troons since 2015 and I'm fine. Just don't be mentally ill.

>>21659702
>Allegedly
They're normally pretty tough of kiddie porn aren't they? So it probably didn't happen.

Unlike the thousands of children raped by catholic priests.

>>21659698
No I'm not looking at an image snippet bodged data from non peer reviewed studies. Your 'proof' is not good enough.

>LGBT people are significantly more depressed than the rest of the population
He said frothing at the mouth with bile for LGBTQ people.

I fucking wonder why when busybody strangers hate them.

>>21659692
>Psypost
Also, why is it bad that straight guys don't like looking at gays kiss? Isn't that the point. Also homosexuality has been found in thousands of species. It would be highly unlikely we were the only ones to develop DNA to counter that.

You are terrible at all this. And you still can't find an objective reason why LGBTQ is bad.
>Mah feels
>Mah society I don't contribute to
It's a good thing nobody listens to you in real life.

>>21659607
>>21659698
https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/abs/pii/S009174351830029X?via%3Dihub

I see. Being black or latino is a bad thing because you're more prone to depression. More people should choose to be white instead.

Correlation does not equal causation. Mental illness in specific cultures is a result of stigma, not internal issues.

>>21659728
If trannies weren't infiltrating everywhere, nobody would've talked about them. Didn't you see what they were trying to do with harry potter game?

>>21659721
I agree. But the same people telling us to focus on trans are the ones fucking the kids.

Wtf happened with Epstein's list? Oh don't worry about that, worry about the <1% of the population that might want to try being the opposite sex.

Terfs are useful idiots to child traffickers in positions of power.

>>21659735
Yes, faggot priests are just as bad as faggots in any other profession.

>>21659676
If a minority of gays and trannies threaten the whole of society maybe it deserves to be destroyed. Like wow gays will end the western civilization because they want being non heterosexual normal and accepted, omg

>>21659749
>Wtf happened with Epstein's list?
Everyone on it are the same people trying to chemically castrate children in the name of tranny insanity, so your whataboutism fails entirely.

this thread is NUTS

>>21659756
>Yes, faggot priests are just as bad as faggots in any other profession.
Not out there campaigning against them though, are you? They outnumber trans offenders tremendously. But you sit there. Complicit.

>>21659676
This is the problem I have with libertarians. They think a society where everyone minds their own business is possible. Conservatives of the "I Just Want To Be Left Alone" variety also have this blind spot to a degree.

No matter how much you mind your own business, and no matter how much you want to be left alone, homos/trannies/pedos will not mind their own business and will not leave you alone. They're going to force you to accept their fag flags, their fag parades, and their push into your children's schools. You WILL bake the cake, freedom of association be damned. Your kids WILL be taught that they can choose their gender and consent to sex with adults. After all, the State says those kids aren't really yours anyway.

>>21659734
But daily? I deally doubt it
>>21659745
>everywhere
Bro touch some grass or stop having the same tastes as trannies. I only heard of them when conservatives seethe endless about nonbinary bathrooms or something.

>>21659759
Your bug chasing scat fetishism shouldn't be normalized.

>>21659762
Why wouldn't you advocate for kids to be comfortable with themselves?

LGBTQ isn't a gene activate at teenage years like the fucking X men, it's from birth.

Unless you think it's a choice? In which case when and why did you decide to be straight?

>>21659767
No, all trannies are pedophiles.
>WWWHY DON'T YOU LOOK OVER TH
No.

>>21659767
>Well you see there are less trannies than there are clergy, so trannies aren't really a problem!
Excellent logic. Great stuff.

>>21659782
Because chemically castrating children is indefensibly evil, and the exact opposite of "being comfortable with themselves".
Which is why you tried to claim it wasn't happening in the first place.

>>21659785
>and they clapped.
I also think statistically insignificant amount of trans are sexual deviants.

You can make up shit you like. But you're happy to defend decades of system abuse.

And all you have is projection. Hope you're getting paid for selling your soul.

>>21659782
>it's from birth.
not unless they get raped by their uncle at birth you deceptive mental acrobat performing degenerate

>>21659790
>All problems must be dealt with equal effort despite unequal effect
Is it fun having the reasoning skills of a toddler?

Can we try focussing on the biggest threats to kids, then work our way down the list? That would mean you driving safer, and advocating for stricter gun laws.

Oh, you don't care about the kids? Fine, go about your noble trans crusade.

>>21659800
They are, by definition, all sexual deviants.

>>21659813
>and advocating for stricter gun laws.
lmao the troon is a gun grabber
don't worry rapist, even without guns we still have plenty of rope

>>21659808
So you were raped by your aunt. Is that why you're straight?

>>21659819
being straight means being normal. it isn't a sexual deviation no matter how much you psyop.

>imagine caring so much about trannies that you make comics about it, create threads and save photos on your pc about them when they are hardly even remembered in real life

>>21659795
>Which is why you tried to claim it wasn't happening in the first place.
I claimed no such thing.
>Because chemically castrating children is indefensibly evil
Ah, I get it. You wanted to have a go at them first.

>>21659782
>>21659808
I do think some guys are born guy, but they seem vastly outnumbered by gays who readily admit their first "gay experience" happened when an adult molested them when they were 8 or something.

>>21659813
No one's saying child sex abuse in the Catholic Church isn't a problems. What I *am* saying is that you and your ilk use it as Get Out of Jail Free card when the predilection for pedophilia and child grooming in the trans "community" gets brought up. It's not clever, and damn near everyone who's not already on your side sees right through it.

>stricter gun laws
Pass (unlike you).

>>21659813
No, merely dying isn't nearly as bad as what the transgender industry is doing to children.
They're irreversibly mutilating children into becoming a horrific farce of the opposite sex, which there is no escape from until they ACK themselves.
Everyone would rather get instantly splattered by a semi truck or filled with 5.56 rounds rather than trying to exist after trooning out.

>>21659782
>kids to be comfortable with themselves
Puberty is never comfortable, even for cis kids.

>Unless you think it's a choice?
It absolutely is a choice for bisexuals. Most people aren't gold star straights or gold star gays. And then there's women who become penis repulsed lesbians after getting raped.. born this way was always a half truth.

>>21659814
>definition
This word... I don't think it means what you think it means

>>21659749
this is a troll and you all fell for it.

>>21659825
>being straight means being normal.
Again, why is not being normal bad? Or are you content being basic?

If being LGBTQ is a choice, so too is being straight.

So when did you choose?

>>21659853
I'm not him but I chose it when I realized the gay dating pool was shit.

>>21659853
it's not a choice so your strawman doesnt work
faggotry is spread through molestation either physically or psychologically
molestation accounts for 100% of all fags, troons, and whatever shitassed new label you come up with to evade association and responsibility

>>21659853
The thing about being homosexual is, it's clearly unnatural. Procreation happens between men and women, and therefore sexual attraction between men and women is natural.

Homosexuality is an aberration because if everyone became gay, procreation would plummet, if not stop entirely. Humans go extinct. You'll not find a single species on the planet that went extinct due to widespread homosexuality. It's so unnatural that it doesn't happen.

Homos will point to edge case incidences of homosexuality in the animal world to disprove that homosexuality is unnatural, but I can only assume they know how foolish their examples are.

Well /lit/?

>>21659884
new 'toss dropped

>>21658031
Yep it's basically just gender autism, it's a neurological rarity that causes one to be disconnected from their own genitalia. Imagine looking at your BWC (as I do every day) and being despondent, that's sad. I look at my BWC and smile and I'm glad I'm a man. I remember vividly at 5 being happy I was with my boys, hating dresses, making penis jokes, playing Lego star wars, playing Gi Joe's, it was awesome. I feel sad for my trans brothers and sisters, imagine not feeling that, imagine being that confused and out of place since you were that little. Pretty depressing bros. Now you may already hate your cock cause it's small, you may hate your horrible father which makes you hate other men, but I'd ask you to not take your own rage out on innocent people but on yourself, in the gym 24/7 shredding muscles.
>>21659729
Obsessed.

>>21658018

It has little (if anything) to do with the trans stuff, and (IIRC) nothing tranny related is explicitly stated. They simply use the "young-girl" archetype to describe plugged-in participants in capitalist society, whores who reproduce capitalism/the Spectacle by keeping their jobs, using modern tech, etc. Throughout the book such people are described in terms of shit that women do, but they make it very clear that certain fat old men fit the archetype just as well. If trannies are "young girls", it's not because they try to appear feminine and live as women. Rather, it's because they participate in "society" (social media, employment, medicine-as-patients) in a particular way which stimulates capitalism. Tiqqun would hate trannies actually, because like the sick in general, trannies are dependent on drugs (and therefore the existing capitalist apparatus) to live as they wish. See Reg Johanson on this.

Conversely, a "Bloom" is a socially isolated, atomized person who poses a threat to capitalist society, sometimes manifesting as a school shooter or in other less violent ways Think of the nameless narrator of Fight Club for a simplistic rendering.. They explicitly reject this very characterization that I just gave as reductive, but that really is what it amounts to in context throughout the other articles. The original "Theory of Bloom" article appeared just before the Columbine shootings, and it mentioned various family murders and school shootings as symptoms of Bloom. When they revised the article, they made a point of referencing Columbine, once.

>>21659878
>Homos will point to edge case incidences of homosexuality in the animal world to disprove that homosexuality is unnatural
Homosexuality has been found in over 1500 species.

You can't make a baby that way, no. But you'll never lay with a consenting woman either. Are you normal?

>>21659860
>Not a choice
>It's spread!
You need to talk to someone.

>>21659923
find another site to gaslight, you evil tranny

>>21659915
I already have kids, meanwhile you sterilized yourself because some jew told you it would make you feel better.

>>21658041
>>21658156
It's almost like conservatives are incredibly obsessed about trans people.
As someone who were sucked up in the right wing YouTube thing in my teenage years and in newer time realize I'm an enby, I can honestly say that a lot of right wing appeal is repression of dysphoria. Really trying to be a man, not allowing yourself to feel home in your own skin: The whole Peterson/Tate thing is one big attempt to pass as cis. A lot of the ben shapiro/sargon of akkad are elaborate excuses to push gender from a way of prediscursive being and feelings into a mold of discourse where dysphoria can be disproven with "facts" and "logic". At least for me, admitting that I don't have to be a man, don't have to appear manly, dress manly and don't have to signify my relation to myself (what am I?) with a gendered term, brings a great amount of relief: Suddenly my depression is no longer an overpowering illness, suddenly I can live my life and do things without constantly having executive dysfunction. Realizing that you are not cis is in many ways invigorating and joyful; you feel like a great weight has been taken off your back and you finally can have a straight spine: When people suffer due to being trans, it is, from my experience, the uncertainty and transphobia from the outside; Not the transness from within, which hurts.

>>21659973
all of that mentally ill crud and you know what the thing that triggers me the most is the capitalization after colons and semis. freak.

>>21659982
If you send me to the concentration camp for my punctuation I'll, Understand.

>>21659942
>that reddit post
The quintessential tranny experience.

>>21659973
>suddenly I can cut my dick off and ACK
powerful

>>21660199
I'm happy with my donger and further from suicide than I've ever been, not like I've ever been close. Didn't you read what I wrote? Or are you just an npc who has preprogrammed lines
>I used to be an enby like you, then I took an arrow in the knee
>why, wont, you, dieeeeee!
>hello there
Communicating with you guys give me flashback to the good ol' elder scrolls days.

>>21660218
>further from suicide than I've ever been
because you chose to indulge in delusion.

>>21658023
You will never be a real statistician

>>21660223
See, another person afraid of being happy.

>>21660238
>happy

>>21658857
Imagine being the psychotic fucking deranged nigger troon that chemically castrates a defenseless child and then slices "her" testes off.
Kill them all, slice their throats and bomb theirnfucking homes in minecraft

THREADS ABOUT LITERATURE: DEAD
THINNLY VEILED /POL/ THREADS: HOPPIN

YOU PEOPLE DON'T READ.

>>21660241
See, you are arguing from fear about yourself rather than an actual honest interest in knowing who you really are - trans or not, you are trying to find excuses not to ask the question.

Again look at my comment above, I've explained how I feel in relation to my gendered experience which is mostly just joy.

But I also have nice people around me, who allow me to be myself: most studies show that the suicide rates are so high because of ostracization and transphobia.

>>21659878
The computer you're posting on is unnatural and cyanide is natural, retard.

>>21660276
>the suicide rates are so high because of ostracization and transphobia.
also known as regular people being disgusted by freaks.

>>21660283
"normal" and "freak" are quite arbitrary terms.
There was a time when only freaks believed the earth was round...

>>21660276
>See, you are arguing from fear about yourself r-ACK

>>21660295
>someone on 4chan killing themselves
Really? Can't believe it!

>>21660291
>>21660276
You're both autistic homosexuals. Now kiss.

>>21660295
>>21660276
You're both autistic homosexuals. Now kiss.

Riders of the Purple Wage.

>>21658041
It's like they've been given a loud speaker specifically to tear society apart.

>>21660305
but it's only me and I!

>>21660307
Ew, no! I can smell the /pol/!

>>21658750
Enjoy your transition into a victim of suicide

>>21660307
I just saw you delete your own comment O_O

Please be kind to me, i will kiss them if you demand it sir O_O

The two queers yelling at each other are an AI bot arguing with itself.

>>21658023
And the worm only takes up 0.5% of the apple.

>Today especially, it is no longer the alliance of church and state that should be feared, that is, theocracy, but rather the alliance between medicine and the state, that is, pharmacracy.51 It is medicine that presently functions as the new secular religion, with the continuous aid of sustained government support.
>1979

>>21658208
I'm going to apologize in advance for calling you a retard, you retard

>>21660295
These three trannies are alive, but there are actually /lgbt/ trips that have committed suicide.
A funnier thing is that /tttt/ and trans twitter have caused more confirmed trans suicides than kiwifarms.

>>21660867
That footnote has to be Illich.

>>21658123
>>21658148
Both not bad theories. Technology has really changed us so much, I think that’s what it comes down to. There’s no going back either, there’s nothing to do, simply moving on and accepting the new world.

>>21660283
>also known as regular people being disgusted by freaks.
>On a /lit/ board
Regular folk didn't write these books. Or invent the car, or computer, or learned to harness electricity. And there were plenty of good honest regular people disgusted with each of these advances, and each of the hypocritically accepted them when they benefitted

Regular people are parasites, but we need them to be regular because regular people do as their told. And work shitty jobs because it's normal. And pay for all the wonderful things invented by freaks.

You owe your whole life to freaks.

You're welcome.

>>21660867
>it is no longer the alliance of church and state that should be feared
>Roe v Wade cancelled in 2022 by the Christian lobby and fascist politicians
Whelp, he had a good run.

>>21661008
>There’s no going back either, there’s nothing to do, simply moving on and accepting the new world.
What a WRETCHED way to view things. I hope courage father's in your heart so you don't drift away in this turgid currents of evil and vice.

>>21659942
>Posting bait
I have a kid whom I won't fill with hatred. Just like Jesus would have wanted. Can you say the same?

>>21659240
>his opinion is completely shaped by porn
Its over for you, anon.

>>21661019
One day this abhorrent system the west is built on will collapse or be transformed and then we may be able to do something, but who know how long that will take or if we can even reach that point.

>>21659973
do the keys glow after you're done typing or was it just a cut and paste job

>>21659142
That's actually not bad. That postmodern art thread last week had 200+ replies, only one book and one essay mentioned 100 posts in.

>>21658018
Luz Casal is not trans you fucking cunt

>>21661010
obvious boring response it took your estrogen addled brain hours to come up with
youre not special, youre just a freak show.

>>21661403
Dude, I went to bed. Kek.

Took you 3 hours to not refute it though, didn't it?

>>21661458
I just flipped a coin and figured you 404ed yourself

>>21659333
>women fought for the right to be gender nonconforming
this is rapidly being taken away by trannies actually

>>21658018
postleftoids out of my board NOW

>>21661018
>fascism is when the federal government doesn't guarantee my right to kill babies

>>21661522
>"kill"
>"babies"

>>21661545
ywnbaw

>>21661522
gem

>>21659973
>It's almost like conservatives are incredibly obsessed about trans people.
>It's almost like
I fucking hate this roundabout reddit way of talking. Just state what you think, don't preface it with snark you fucking cunt, but well youre a troon

>>21658018
I am not a fan of transgenderism, I think that it's quite a dishonest worldview and I tend to completely disagree with it.

That being said if I can ever afford it I would like to have facial feminization surgery and go on HRT one day. Not because I think I am a woman but because I want to be pretty. But more than that I want to be an object of desire for men. I want to be seen as sexually available to men. And when I say men I mean MEN. Big and scary men. The type that would beat up a faggot like me just because they don't like how I look and they do whatever they want. I want to be bound, gagged and ravanged.

But in order to attract the kind of men I want, I need the right goods. I need soft skin and a plump ass. And there is a way for me to get that.

What is wrong with me /lit/? Everyone says fags got molested and that's why they are the way they are but I never was. Yet everyone when they see me always assume that I am gay. People thought I was gay before I even knew I was gay. Everyone tells me I 'look' gay, that I act 'gay', that I even 'walk' gay. (Apparently I swivel my hips when I walk?????) It makes me so sad that people can tell I want to be penetrated just from simple things like the way that I gesticulate or show emotion. Society is apparently 'progressive' now but no one appreciates effeminate behavior in a man. NO ONE. Not even gay people. No matter what people claim.

When I was a kid, I looked like a girl. Now testosterone has made me into a manly man. Of course not manly enough that I look like a 'str8' guy but obviously enough to make me look like a man. People say I look 'androgynous' but all I see is a whole ass man. I remember when there was a time I looked in the mirror I screamed because of the fact that I didn't look 'right'. I have severe body dysmorphia. I hate my body hair so much. Testosterone has made it dark and thick. Removing it is a pain. Nigh impossible. I tore my skin with my braun epilator. There was blood and I broke down trying to cry, but I can't even cry because testosterone makes me unable to cry.

What do I do /lit/???

>>21661630
The longer you wait the worse it will get. You will eventually troon out, the only question is when. You can troon out and be a 6/10 woman, or you can troon out in twenty years and be a 2/10 woman. The choice is yours.

>>21661630
>Everyone says fags got molested and that's why they are the way they are but I never was
you blocked it out or the influence was subliminal. I'm guessing you grew up in an all women household with high estrogen level too

>>21661640
Okay sorry this was a bait post to rile up the chuds and make them spam le groomer memes, but if you're serious, just go talk to a therapist. Why are you asking strangers on the internet for advice on serious issues like these?

>>21661630
seek help. normalization therapy is unironically a better option at this point than taking hormones and ruining your body permanently

>>21661630
faggot

>>21661640
Even if I trooned out I would never call myself a woman and stay away from womans' spaces.
>>21661641
I grew up in a traditional household. With a present and rather masculine father figure. In fact I am rather masculine. I mean I own guns and stuff. However I am also very feminine.
>>21661644
I trust 4chan anons more than theRAPISTs
>>21661647
I just want a fat ass. To me that won't be runing my body but enhancing it.
>>21661658
Say that while choking me and pulling my hair

>>21661630
I was a child transitioner and just recently finaly detransitioned. Do not listen to >>21661640
Letting your desires run rampant will not save you from the lack. Rather dedicate yourself to the arts and crafts or something.

Transexual are not high intellectual science, they are humans that failed as a man and relenquish by struggling into failed women.

>>21661677
I would never transition because I don't believe in it. Even taking female hormones for me wouldn't be transitioning because I ontologically reject is as a possibility. But that's not the question.

The question is, should I take hormones and feminize my face witb cosmetic surgery? Is it moral/ethical? Should I read Dante and then make up my mind about it? I just want to do it for aesthetic reasons. Not because I am so deluded as to think I am a woman. My motivation for it literally boils down to 'I get more outfit options' and 'men will want to fuck me'. Not that men don't want to fuck me but looking girly-er would make them want to fuck me even more. Also I get more clothing options which is cool! Funny enough sometimes I did have to wear women's clothes because men's clothing in my size is hard to find! (25 inch waist)

So again, those are my extremely shallow reasons for wanting to take estrogen. I want nothing to do with transgenders or women. I just want to look like a based hermaphrodite while still acknowledging that I am in fact: a man.

That's why I want opinions from anons

>>21661630
Sometimes sexual dramatisation is the only way we can allow ourselves to address the topic. Start wearing makeup and dresses and see how it feels, ask your closest friends to maybe also call you she - do the things that's easily reversible and see if it resonates with you.

>>21661704
Just letting those thoughts sprawl out into existence is feeding the darkness; you should stop. Becoming a "based hermaphrodite" will not fulfil you.

>>21661704
just be a hrt femboy then idiot

>>21661711
When people called me a girl as a kid I beat them up lol. I already do makeup, and sew dresses myself!
>>21661716
I don't think it would fulfill me. I never said it would. Having a family and accomplishing things in life is fulfilling. This has nothing to do with fulfillment. It's just about how I want to look like. If I thought it would be fulfilling, I wouldn't have called it shallow myself.
>>21661720
That's what I am basically asking, the question is should I do it or not? I specifically want the opinion of the Evola chads.

>>21661731
>It's just about how I want to look like.
So you yourself are completely aware that this train of thought has been spawned by Thanatos?
Do you think that self-destruction is funny because you'll grow uwu conetits or something?

>>21661630
>>21661668
>>21661704
>What is wrong with me /lit/?
You have a porn and sex addiction and it is ruining your life. You are willing to destroy your mind and body so that you can maybe become attractive to a few homosexual men. I can guarantee the reason there are so many children going on HRT and becoming transgender is because of how easy it is to develop a porn addiction thanks to the internet. The solution isn't the take HRT or find way to alter your body, the solution is to stop focusing on pornography. I hope not just you but anyone else suffering from this can overcome it as I have seen what it has done not just to friends but also family. I really do wish you the best.

>>21661745
No I just want a fat ass.
>>21661746
I can skip the HRT and just have cosmetic surgery you know. I want to be pretty. That is literally it. Who doesn't want to be attractive? Do people who alter themselves cosmetically all have pornography addictions?

>>21661759
It isn't just HRT, it is destroying and altering your body for a worldview that was created through porn. "I want to be insulted and beat by random men on the street during sex" is not healthy, it isn't normal, and thoughts like this will only make you feel worse.
>Do people who alter themselves cosmetically all have pornography addictions?
No but they do have one thing in common, it is never enough. It is a slippery slope of trying to alter and change your appearance. Got a nosejob, well now your hips seem a little too wide and your cheeks a little too chubby. None of this is a good thing. This isn't healthy and it doesn't seem like you even want to think about the long term. Your porn addiction is ruining your way of thinking and giving you tunnel vision. All this isn't worth it so you can feel like sex would be a little bit better.

>>21659973
>It's almost like conservatives are incredibly obsessed about trans people.
This is pretty dishonest because it is completely one-sided. Yeah, rightoids have an obsession with trannies. So do leftoids. Hilariously, leftoid attempts to organize are time and time again derailed by trannies who believe the most important political objective is securing the rights and privileges of trannies - which, again, 0.3% of the population. There are about as many miners and twice as many truckers. Yet the trannies rule supreme. I've seen it happen too many times in an american context, and as a non-american, it has been absolutely hilarious to see time and time again the leadership of the DSA disintegrate over privileges for trannies, Bernie Sanders be dragged for not loving trannies enough, the democrat party actually having success in pretending to be leftists because they worship trannies while being a party for their rich donors, etc. etc. etc. Tranny discourse ruins everything on the left and prevents it from being able to organize. Noticing this fact is, funnily enough, also transphobia, and would, if presented in a politica context, lead to even more tranny monomania.
At this point I am almost at the point of being convinced this guy >>21658064 is right. Trannies were specifically bioengineered to drive a wedge into the plebs, and has proven themselves especially effective at doing so on the left.

As for you finding out you are nonbinary, great, but, and I mean this in the least hostile manner possible - who gives a fuck? Why is your personal neurosis and your overcoming of it politically relevant? This is the narcissism of trannies. 100.000 american workers died of diseases of despair these last years, from oxycontin overdoses, and trannies think the political solution is making them realize they really want to dress up in women's clothes? This is so narcissistically deranged that I don't know where to start.

>>21661781
>I want to be insulted and beat by random men on the street during sex" is not healthy, it isn't normal
I've had rape fantasies before I ever even consumed pornography. Mind you I can assure you that rape is indeed very much 'normal'. Humans have been practicing rape far longer than they have been practicing consensual sex. Even ducks rape.
>No but they do have one thing in common, it is never enough
Some people know when to stop. In fact I am a fan of nose jobs. I think they are good and I would like one.
>This isn't healthy and it doesn't seem like you even want to think about the long term.
I only think in the long term. I barely live in the present, only in the future.
>All this isn't worth it so you can feel like sex would be a little bit better.
But I don't think sex would be a bit better. In fact I can assure you it would be very much the same.

What would be different is how I look like.

>>21661818
I've been on this website since 2016 and I don't think I have ever seen someone as unhinged here before. It's clear that you never actually wanted others opinions on what to do or how to help, you're just seeking validation for ruining your life and doing degenerate things. None of what you said can even be classified as sane, let alone a normal thought. I can't remember the last time I prayed for someone but I will probably pray tonight for you as it seems like things are just too far gone.
>Some people know when to stop.
This is commonly said by everyone suffering from addiction. I know 4chan is just a stupid image board for shitposting anonymously so finding someone who cares is rare, but I really do hope you feel better someday.

Philo writing 2000 years ago?

>>21661836
>I've been on this website since 2016 and I don't think I have ever seen someone as unhinged here before
Is that supposed to be a brag, newfag?
>It's clear that you never actually wanted others opinions on what to do or how to help, you're just seeking validation for ruining your life and doing degenerate things.
No I don't want validation, I want arguments, and your arguments have been poor.
>None of what you said can even be classified as sane, let alone a normal thought
They are in fact quite rational. In fact I explained you the logic behind my reasoning. I want to look in a certain way, therefore I will take steps to achieve that.
>This is commonly said by everyone suffering from addiction
This is in reference to cosmetic surgery and yes some people definitely know when to stop. Others don't. It takes a rational to person to know when to stop, which I am.


You reasoning is poor. Would you like to give it another go?

>>21659782
It's a construct ya dummy

>>21661204
For some reason threads about (post)modern art on /lit/ always, ironically enough, bring out the very worst.

>>21658583
>>21659913
>>21661791
good posts

>>21658064
>>21658321
>>21661791
trannism is part of the package by the new left since 2012

>>21660238
You are not happy and you know it you tranny.

>>21661870
>No I don't want validation, I want arguments, and your arguments have been poor.
You want to be the centre of attention

>>21662038
Yes. I want to be so hot that I get stares in public.

>>21661836
Why are you trying to reason with a degenerate sodomite faggot?

>/pol/turds unironically bragging about being 2016 tourists itt
bleak

>>21662057
Why did god give me gay physiognomy

>>21662066
You said you look like a normal male, you just act like a faggot

i hope this disgusting freak quickly kills HIMself. all youre doing is proving that this is always about narcissism. it's not about illness or ideology or any advanced concept beyond vanity, pure and simple.

>>21661630
Stop being on the Internet. Like seriously go live in a small town for 6 months if you have the money or literally go travel in Europe(including the Balkans).

>>21661711
Fuck off groomer piece of shit.

>>21662073
I think I look normal. But I definitely do have gay physiognomy. That is what I have been told, by a great many people. I have very soft features. In my other post I wrote that I have been described as looking androgynous.

So from the perspective of the gay being an unnatural thing, clearly I am natural. So natural in fact, that people see the gay in my face.

>>21662045
I don't know what to say to you anon. I was like you once but I wasn't reasoned into it. I wasn't reasoned out of it either. As much as others here mock him, try giving BAP a chance. At least for me, he awoke something deep.

>>21662078
>HIM
My friend, are you illiterate. I am a man. I will always be one. This has nothing to do with my post.
>>21662099
I already did that verbatim. By the way, the only internet I use is 4chan. I only read and 4chan. And it's mainly /lit/.
>>21662113
I don't know what I can find in BAP that I can't find in any other philosophical text. I read 'ol Neech every now and then too. I probably won't ever take HRT because I think estrogen fucks with your brain. Which is important for me because it might inhibit my philosophical understanding. However I am quite serious about the FFS thing—not that I will ever be able to afford it. But I want to remove the more prominent masculine features on my face. If I did that I would look VERY feminine. Probably wouldn't need HRT at all. I am going to wait until I am 30 and see how my face changes until then. Because the skull still changes shape then. If I still look androgynous when I am 30 then I will jump into it. If not 'oh well'!

Quite sad honestly

>>21662160
Why is it sad? Beauty is power.

>>21662167
You're but a husk, anon; there's no beauty in that.
Sadly, I think that only feeds your incessant desires.

>>21662173
But I am not a husk.

>>21662179
You're correct, there's something in that husk of yours—a pure manifestation of Thanatos.
Go read Baedan maybe.

>>21662188
I am not a nihilist. I just want to be pretty. I don't understand why it is bad.

you cant reason with trannies when are you fags gonna learn that
they live in a bubble of pure self obsession and all youre doing is feeding them.
degenerate freaks

>>21658041
its planned anon. the whole trans thing is about money and nothing else.
"transitioning" is a lifetime gig if they dont off themselves. companies love trannies cause the vast majority are MtF trannies. they tend to earn money like a man but spend it like a woman. they are the ultimate consumer. from a medical standpoint they also spend a lot of money. the average transition nets pharma companies and medicals around 200k per person. they also bamboozled the american government into pitching in.

>>21658018
https://www.reuters.com/investigates/special-report/usa-transyouth-care/
>In Europe, concern that too many children might be unnecessarily put at risk has prompted countries like Finland and Sweden that were early to embrace gender care for children to now limit access to care. The United Kingdom is shutting down its main clinic for children’s gender care and overhauling the system after an independent review found that some staff felt “pressure to adopt an unquestioning affirmative approach.”
Good article on this topic. I think more people should be willing to debate or question a lot of these medical practices but unfortunately a lot of this debate gets subsumed by polarized politics where the only two positions are either unquestioning support or total opposition. Sort of similar to the abortion debate.
I am skeptical about pushing medical treatments on young people, and the potential conflict of interest, but also believe we should be more accepting to men who are not typically masculine.

>>21662269
the last thing this world needs is more acceptance of men acting like bitches. every day we grow closer to a total slave state because of it. just grow a pair already. if anything these clinics should be providing people with testosterone, not estrogen.

>>21662269
There is no circumstance in which a child should ever be chemically or physically castrated.
Harvar even claims that puberty blockers result in permanent effects like reduced testicular volume, infertility, lower total height, and reduced bone density in males, and reduced breast volume, lower fertility, and complications in pregnancy for females. These effects, they tout, are irreversible but "remediable" through medical technology.
Disgusting perverts that must be killed by any means necessary.

>>21662283
>There is no circumstance in which a child should ever be chemically or physically castrated.
I agree where did I say I support medical interventions in my post?
If you read the article I linked it discusses some of these possible long term issues with puberty blockers such as problems with fertility, and how little we know about their long term effects. Given how little we know I am skeptical of how much doctors are prescribing them.
All I said was that we should be accepting of guys who are not typically masculine or who act more feminine.

>>21662283
You're going to have to kill all the troons then. Children transitioning is the end goal of every troon. You see it all on /lgbt/. Every single one of them WISHES they trooned put before puberty.

Every single one of them.

The propaganda is already being made. It will go overdrive.

>>21662312
millions must die
before the millions turn to billions

>>21662274
>the last thing this world needs is more acceptance of men acting like bitches.
Why it has no effect on me. I am not a bitch but if there are some guys out there that are not stereotypically masculine, it doesn't bother me.

>>21662327
t. a bitch

>>21662274
>every day we grow closer to a total slave state
You're in one.

Guys, wat do

>>21662327
said the selfish prick.
it does affect you. it affects all of us. get your head out of the sand.

>>21662337
yr a failmale now

>>21662346
Personally I think the test is wrong.
>https://programs.clearerthinking.org/gender_continuum_test.html#.Y-0IM6SxUwA
Gave me 90% female. Apparently being amicable = female. So I think it's bad.

There another test, from the 1930s I wanted to take. For the life of me I can't remember what it was called, but it was a 'gender' test. It had over a hundred questions. I really want to take it and score it, because I really need an answer. In Jung's typology I would be introverted, intuitive, feeling, and perceiving. Which is stereotypically feminine.

>>21662339
It doesn't though, I mean a guy that's weak or acts faggy has zero negative effect on me or anyone else.
And in my experience it's usually the weak insecure guys that are bothered by fags/queers, whereas actual chads like the weak guys, and enjoy protecting them.

>>21662368
That faggy guy wants to faggify your children, dysgenic retard

>>21662373
You are deranged. I said nothing about children. I said that in my experience chads and jocks don't mind faggy guys, it's the insecure guys that have a problem with them.

>>21662373
No I don't. I would much rather children be masculine. Also gays don't like femininity in men. That is what makes them gay.

>>21662383
>>21662385
Can you please stop and leave that guy alone

>>21662393
I am just telling him my honest feelings, maybe he will change his mind.

>>21662385
>Also gays don't like femininity in men.
Depends, I'm no fag but I've observed fags that seem more feminine. The kind that have that kind of light voice, like to dress up, or are into theatre.

>>21662337
there isnt two sex dimensions. they dont even classify what the dimensions are meant to connote. what utter trash pseudoscience.
jesus fucking wept our whole society is going swirling into darkness.

>>21662410
>I've observed fags that seem more feminine.
Yeah but the guys they are into look like this

>>21662312
I am writing a book that will be published post-mortem. I identify
>1. The Psychogenic Troon
Psychogenic troons are those with dysphoria caused by sexual perversion or as an accessory to other illnesses. They have always existed to some degree, but they are mentally ill. There is no real problem with a psychogenic troon snipping his balls off or cutting her tits off, because he or she is insane. The psychogenic troon doesn't necessarily need to be killed, but instead controlled. The issue is that they are foundational to the beginnings of trans-ideology that later leads to the horrors we are now experiencing- they must needs be shunned, or removed from society by any means necessary if all else fails. There is a lot more to it, but this is the gist for a 4chan post, as with the others.
>2. Sociogenic Troon.
The sociogenic troon is the most common today. They result from societal conditioning, sexual or emotional abuse, and feelings of insufficiency and inadequacy that result therefron.They are boys and girls that have been conditioned by society into "testing" transitions. They have likely not been informed that puberty blockers lead to IRREVERSIBLE effects, and that the IRREVERSIBLE effects are SCIENTIFICALLY AND ACADEMICALLY AGREED UPON. They are NOT IN DISPUTE.
The sociogenic troon is a victim and MUST NOT COME TO ANY HARM. If you are a psychogenic troon, I LOVE YOU and it breaks my heart what is happening to you. I will save you even if you wrongfully believe that I am the enemy and society is helping you. You are a victim, and instead of receiving the mental health and social care you need to accept yourself for who you are, society invents lies and ignores you altogether. You have been gaslit into the total rejection of yourself. Society has failed you.
>3. Iatrogenic troon.
The dangerous one. There is a lot to be written here. The iatrogenic troon is a culmination of propaganda, medical conditioning, pharmaceutical pollution, and other epigenetic and environmental effects. This troon is the saddest of all, still a victim, but irreperable. They cannot be fixed. Like the Psychogenic troon, the Iaotrogenic troon must be removed from society.
The solution here is to eliminate Industrial-Society, which supports the technologies that allow global pollution and the production of "gender-affirming" chemicals.

>>21662401
Stop doing this
>>21662426
This isn't true

>>21662431
>post-mortem
are you going to kys anon?

>>21662434
>This isn't true
Yes it is. Especially the feminine theater gay. They lust after chad cock.

>>21662450
Instantly falls apart for dealing in absolutes. You are arguing in bad faith.

>>21662426
>Yeah but the guys they are into look like this
Hence my point about how Chads don't mind them being less masculine.

>>21662449
Sometimes, death is an easy way to gain publicity. You fags could easily get readers for your shitty books if death were involved. Maybe not a lot, but your reach could easily be increased by 10-100x depending on your notoriety.
I don't plan on doing anything illegal, because I don't deem it necessary. I already have a semi-terminal illness.

>>21662454
If you wouldn't let the guy in that pic top you you're not gay.

>>21662463
I would it would please me immensely to be used by football chad.
Not in a faggy way though just to help him out

>/pol/schizo's tranny derangement syndrome is so powerful she is literally going to kill herself just to get publicly for her incel manifesto about trannies which is virtually indistinguishable from any other /pol/ essay on trannies
lol

>>21662506

Would you, /lit/?

>>21662506
Children being castrated and mutilated is worth dying for. If you're a troon, I want to help you. I know you troons will scoff and sneer, you hate my guts. Regardless, I would die if it meant helping you.

>>21662530
sex with this

>>21662541
Go on /tttt/ and argue with them there. Plenty of tripfags there too.

>>21662564
I've spoken to about 6 troons IRL and many over the course of the past 10 years on the internet. I've interviewed a lot and have a lot of observations.
Most psychologists and MH "professionals" are limited in what they can ask and how they can go about their profession without committing "transphobia", I am not. I have spoken heart-to-heart with troons and have found many traits they have in common. The troon must be saved.

>>21662583
How do you plan on saving them? You're not going to be able to stop them from taking estrogen. They want the pussy pass.

>>21662583
>>21662564
For example, one troon I spoke with IRL said that therapists are trained NEVER to in ANY WAY EVER ask about the origins of gender dysphoria in a patient, to EVER ask if the person has a "reason" for wanting to be the other gender, etc. I made at least two troons cry and seriously question if they wanted to be a troon, heartwarming stuff really. I don't know them any more or their whereabouts, I genuinely hope they're happier now and have turned back as they claimed to desire.

>>21662596
So what have you found out? What assessment have you made?

>>21662592
Any means necessary. If I manage to pull this off before my illness takes me, you will be able to find out easily. I will not share specifics over the internet.

>>21662608
>illness
Why are you going to die? What do you have?

>>21662530
I'd fuck that.

>>21662613
With as much as I have already said, that would be a dox. This has already been completely derailed into being about me, so I have other things to do.
The important thing is that /pol/tards need to have compassion for troons as they are victims, and leftist "allies" need to seriously introspect and ask themselves how far they are really willing to go in the pursuit of their "ideal."

>>21662462
based. make sure to write extreme shit that will make every sad tranny janny and gatekeeper seethe. i for one will shill your book after you an hero

>>21662613
it's clearly AIDS

>>21662664
Did he get it from the troons he fucked?

>>21659220
70's feminism was all about the supposed glass ceiling and how women can do all the things men typically do just as well (like being firemen): "liberation" in contrast to the servitude of sex roles. (As an aside, any time I see some mid-30s to later 40s woman working a dead end job at a gas station looking like she absolutely hates her life and has lost all hope, like she would give a pinky and a few toes to have a husband who provides for her in exchange for some basic domestic duties, I think "isn't feminism great?"). That whole 70's women's lib movement is exactly the lineage of political thought that created what we're seeing now. They would have loved this grand tranny parade for its contrast to normative "patriarchy". The political points of 70s feminism are the media narratives of the present in some regressive, dystopian kind of deja vu as half the popular (((hollywood))) movies of the last five years are about how annoying it is for women to work through the supposed men's club that is civilization. I wonder if that means in 40 years we'll be seeing a slew of movies, books, etc. about how hard it is to be a troon in a "cis"-centric world.

>>21658064
>pushing us closer and closer to oligarchical totalitarianism
We've been there for a very long time on the global scale with things like the WEF.

>>21662462
tell us your penname so we know its you when you release u faggot
quit burying the lead you cocktease

>>21658018

have already read lots of anti trans books so by this point id be more interested in reading pro trans literature. What could possibly justify this madness?what is some science or theory i can read which can help me check my privilege and learn more about the awful plight the diverse and vibrant culture of these warm body politically correct victimhood unit NPCs, this snivelling priesthood of pedophilic apparatchiks, cowardly hiding behind political correctness and victimhood in order to rape, groom abuse and indoctrinate our children, purpose engineered biopolitical clientele for pharmaceuticals the sex industry, the managerial state, NGOs the corporate monoculture and the democratic party, i mean these most noble and progressive these most pitiful and wretched of creatures?

Any lgbt/ gay/queer theory/ transgender/ cultural marxism books you would recommend to a straight white cis male who is trying to overcome his deepseated heteronormative prejudices, and be a better ally to our politically correct friends in the corporate social engineering and propaganda/child molestation community? prejudices which cant help but flare up at the beautiful and heartwarming display of diversity and progress in article related?

https://poptopic.com.au/tech/twitter-defends-gross-little-girls-are-kinky-tweet-by-alok-vaid-menon/

>>21658750
I mean,bros,have you tried bringing up nietszche or any books for that matter around your local lgbtsjwtfnpc marxist cattle? In no time you will see their beady stupid cowlike eyes light up in panic. Soon enough they will start with the usual subhuman bleating, screeching and snivelling hysterically as if begging to be put out of their misery"wasnt he sexist? Arent you being dangerously eurocentric? Hasnt it been deboonked as fake news russian bot pseudoscience?Why read books by dead white men when you could have been watching CNN reading the NYT streaming the latest diverse and inclusive workplace comedies at netflix hulu and disneyplus? your daily mandatory dose of ''ethically sourced'' child pornography? Didnt you know reading antything beyond YA literature is ableist towards people who are too retarded to read? How does this further the short term electoral goals of the democratic party? Are you saying child sex workers arent real sex workers?Have you been taking your daily recomended dose of high fructuouse corn syrup your SSRIs and HRT? it is very important that you take the medication dr goldstein prescribed otherwise we will report you to corporate for mandatory sensitivity training as per the domestic terrorism act of 2021"

>>21663034
The only justification is that some people MIGHT be born trans, and if they are, it's worth "breaking a few eggs" (read: chemically or physically castrating confused children that turn out not to be trans) to make an omelette. I'm not kidding you. They use that language exactly: children are eggs- sometimes they "hatch" into a "healthy" troon, sometimes they are just "broken", their testes made non-functional, and they can receive "therapy" to work past their permanent mutilations.

>>21663048
/tttt/ talks about Nietzsche all the time. There is a deluezian there too.

>>21663034
>>21663058
Troons are victims that must be saved, trooners are vile abominations that sexual and psychologically abuse and mutilate children: they must be physically and unironically exterminated.

>>21658018
Who's the semen demon?

>>21658750
>Perhaps one of the most disturbing attempts to undermine families can be seen in a slick video produced by LGBT in the City, a multi-media organization that produces talk shows and videos related to LGBT issues and is sponsored by such monster corporations as Telus and TD Bank. To say LGBT in the City has a hedonistic focus would be a grotesque understatement and it might be argued that at least one of their videos encourages the sexualization of children, specifically in the form of an eight year old boy mockingly named “Lactacia.”

>In a slick video released on Facebook with over one million views so far, a hyper-feminized/sexualized 8 year old boy (who some have compared to a drag version of JonBenét Ramsey) is featured partying in a hypersexual adult LGBT environment and telling kids watching that if their parents or friends do not support their desire to be drag (or trans), they need to get new parents and friends. Professional quality video and editing made this call to young children to the queer lifestyle all the more appealing. As “Lactatia” speaks to his peers, while an all too happy host leers, bold text leaps out at the viewer saying “YOU NEED NEW PARENTS! YOU NEED NEW FRIENDS!” You too can be a drag queen or transgender superstar and perhaps head out on the town to party with the wild LGBT boys and “Lactatia.” If your parents won’t get on board, they can simply be replaced with a new “glitter family.”
https://www.studocu.com/row/document/university-of-nicosia/finance-managerial-accounting/synanon-transgender-this-is-an-essay-about-gender-issues-around-the-world-and-how-we-are-influenced/16420782

https://thegrayzone.com/2021/12/24/leaked-files-syria-psyops-astroturfing-breadtube-covid

https://www.city-journal.org/the-real-story-behind-drag-queen-story-hour?wallit_nosession=1

https://www.newyorker.com/magazine/2021/07/26/the-german-experiment-that-placed-foster-children-with-pedophiles
https://www.queer-art.org/blog/2020/2/7/filter-the-artist-making-harm-reduction-gay-again-avatar-by-sessi-kuwabara-blanchard

https://www.tabletmag.com/sections/news/articles/billionaire-family-pushing-synthetic-sex-identities-ssi-pritzkers

https://www.spiegel.de/international/zeitgeist/the-sexual-revolution-and-children-how-the-left-took-things-too-far-a-702679.html
>One of the goals of the German 1968 movement was the sexual liberation of children. For some, this meant overcoming all sexual inhibitions, creating a climate in which even pedophilia was considered progressive.

yes we should definitely trust these people, nothing suspicious going on in here, these are just individuals who want to express themselves and be left alone, not brainwashed tools of a totalitarian corporate social engineering agenda /s.

>>21658767
Hormone blockers and steroids for life is pretty good business.

>>21659703
>but does clearly anticipate gov't involvement in the sexualization of children
I don't remember that and I reread it quite recently. But the rest, yes.

>>21661791
>who gives a fuck? Why is your personal neurosis and your overcoming of it politically relevant?
Every time I hear something from some tranny or tranny-supporter along the lines of "why do you care?", what I now hear is the real message underneath: "why DON'T you care?". All the grandstanding and activism is an attempt at fulfilling a pathological need for attention, and "progressives" enable this behavior out of saccharine sentimentality in the nabokovian sense:
>We must distinguish between ''sentimental'' and ''sensitive.'' A sentimentalist may be a perfect brute in his free time. A sensitive person is never a cruel person. Sentimental Rousseau, who could weep over a progressive idea, distributed his many natural children through various poorhouses and workhouses and never gave a hoot for them. A sentimental old maid may pamper her parrot and poison her niece. The sentimental politician may remember Mother's Day and ruthlessly destroy a rival. Stalin loved babies. Lenin sobbed at the opera, especially at a performance of ''Traviata.'' A whole century of authors praised the simple life of the poor, and so on. Remember that when we speak of sentimentalists, among them Richardson, Rousseau, Dostoyevsky, we mean the nonartistic exaggeration of familiar emotions meant to provoke automatically traditional compassion in the reader.
There's also that tell-tale sign of an inherent narcissist in that anon's post you replied to of projecting their experience onto every last human on earth: my dysphoria is your dysphoria, my grievance NEEDS to be your grievance, etc., etc.

>>21663065
ambivalence were you hate lgbt progressive ideology, but as a severely molested autist you relate better to troons and fags than to normal people

>>21663110
What is this a quote from?

>>21658031
*And yet they take up 95% of the cultural conversations somehow

Now that would be more accurate, anon

>>21661791
Great analysis, anon. Thank you.

>>21660241
Is this the swedish cohort study? I love that one. You cannot find a more "trans-inclusive" country than sweden so it really sabotages the whole "well, trannies are only more prone to suicide because they're ostracized" argument. Research funding in academia is incredibly political though so there won't be any follow-up studies at least until there is a massive change in culture.

>>21663138
It's just classic grumpy nabokov talking about why he doesn't rate dostoyevsky:
https://www.nytimes.com/1981/08/23/magazine/nabokov-on-dostoyevsky.html

>>21658018
JUST TAKE THE VACCINE, ANON
>When Palestinian residents of the besieged West Bank town of Ramallah turned on their TVs over the weekend, what they encountered was neither news nor any of the usual Palestinian Authority programming; they encountered pornographic movie clips.

>Three of the four TV stations in Ramallah, headquarters of Yasser Arafat, had been occupied by Israeli troops. The town’s remaining TV station was meanwhile running a crawl at the bottom of the screen explaining that the porn clips were the work of the occupying forces. “We urge parents to take precautions,” it read.

>Israel is not below exposing families and children to pornography against their will. I mean, what did we expect? They’re not below murdering children outright, so exposing them to graphic sexual images is a step up as far as Zionist morality is concerned.

>Replacing Palestinian news and other programming with such material also increases the stress and frustration of the populace. Remember, Ramallah’s residents were unable to leave their homes, even to buy groceries. Their need for information was intense. Israeli forces had the option of taking the TV stations off the air entirely. Instead, they left them operating, but broadcasting “replacement” imagery. The pornography may well have been even more demoralizing than no programming at all.


>George Soros and his charitable organization, Open Society Foundations (OSF), in advocating for the full decriminalization of the sex trade industry. Research finds that OSF spends only a small amount of money on grass roots “sex worker” groups around the world advocating for full decriminalization, but the foundation awards larger amounts of funds to large human rights groups whose reports and policies have a wider reach.
https://digitalcommons.uri.edu/cgi/viewcontent.cgi?article=1087&context=dignity
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8H7rqkXXb98 [Embed]

>Leaked files expose Syria psyops veteran astroturfing BreadTube star to counter Covid restriction critics
>Valent Projects staffer Hamish Falconer has disclosed that the “exciting” Challenging Pseudoscience campaign has also received “generous support” from the Open Society Foundations of CIA-adjacent billionaire George Soros.
tranny breadtube star philosophytube collaborated with adam ruins everything. xe also did videos about normalizing ''sex work''. the reason leftist propaganda makes you feel like you are at the receiving end of a root canal, its george soros and prince charles trying to buckbreak and quintuple vaxx you into a fierce fetanyl affirming sex worker.

https://thegrayzone.com/2021/12/24/leaked-files-syria-psyops-astroturfing-breadtube-covid

>>21663074
>https://www.spiegel.de/international/zeitgeist/the-sexual-revolution-and-children-how-the-left-took-things-too-far-a-702679.html
Wow that was a really fucked up read.

>>21663111
What did he mean by this?

only a few people in this thread understand what the trans phenomenon is and the purpose of the LGBT. the rest of you are hopelessly poisoned by mainstream culture war semantics and whining

>>21659729
??

>>21663246
>the rest of you are hopelessly poisoned
all me

>>21662530
not a tranny

>>21663219
probably gayer than people who just go un grindr to get buttfucked or wank compulsively to tranny porn, because i get warm feels just from talking to really effeminate autistic males sperg out about computers/mathematics/literature/how their dad raped them

>>21659973
>in newer time realize I'm an enby, I can honestly say that a lot of right wing appeal is repression of dysphoria

Yes, I am also an "enby" in the sense that you appear to be using it, but the difference is that I do not choose to see "non-binary" as gender identity, or an identity at all, but as descriptor of the way I think about things at certain times (I don't ever use the term at all, but for the sake of conversation let's assume I would use it to describe certain brain-states or moods). I am just a man, but I am not a particularly "manly" man, in fact in many areas I am very feminine, and this has been a phenomenon in manhood for millennia. Many great American and British poets of the 19th century would probably fit your definition of "non-binary", Michael Jackson would. As well as Prince, Bowie, Dali, D'Annunzio, and on and on. And they got on just fine.

However, "being" "non-binary" is a modern concept that relies on essentializing, aestheticizing, and privileging certain descriptors into a Character. It's the same difference with homosexuality and gayness, one is a descriptor for a preference and the other is an identity. You can figure out which one is which. Please just admit that, ultimately, identifying as non-binary is just a reactionary way of lashing out against what you perceive the word "man" or "woman" to mean.

Ultimately, with you LGBTNFTs it seems you are at war with semantics and language, and since your movement also upholds pride, narcissism, and tribalism above all else, no LBGTABCD person is fully human until their exact pathology is represented as an equal identity. You throw endless tantrums about how the game is being played and then ruin it for every other player, and then you wonder why you motherfuckers are despised.

>>21663065
The only good troon is a dead troon.

>>21663256
Why?..

>>21662366
It's a stupid test.
I got 90% female as well, but the test is pretty subjective.
Like being amicable and empathetic can be a feminine trait, but it depends on the context & what I am thinking about when I answer that question.
If for instance someone was in a really bad mood while taking the test, they would likely answer that they are not at all empathetic, and then the test would say they are more male.

>>21663246
>only a few people in this thread understand what the trans phenomenon is
it's like the andromeda strain just for culture

>>21663111
Yeah I kind of feel you anon, I'm in a similar boat, I would say, objectively, I "am" "LBGT" but I hate the movement, the ideology, and all their associations, so I refuse to identify. I think, realistically, a lot of the posters in this thread would probably be classified as LGBT in some way or another, but they're not LGBT, if that makes any sense. Anyway, some things that are seen as "LGBT" today were not seen as such in other eras of history and in different places.

>>21662337
Who gives a fuck. Are you a man? Then you're a man. Plenty of men are not the picture of machismo. That doesn't make you some weird LGBT identity. It doesn't make you trans, it doesn't make you "non-binary". Men are complicated and diffuse, bro.

>>21663275
Agreed, but I am still trying to fine the old one from the 30s. It would have questions like if you enjoy hunting and stuff, lol. And it's over a hundred questions.

>>21663329
Yeah this whole thing is bizarre. Leftist gender ideologues have unironically made gender more rigid than it ever was in history. They've even gone as far as strictly defining feminine and masculine traits and insinuating in many cases that a boy who plays with dolls may have to have his testicles removed.
Utter insanity. They're making it so that "men" can't even be "feminine" or they must not even be a man.

>>21662708
> We've been there for a very long time on the global scale with things like the WEF.
That’s nothing, just wait till they have true centralized control and openly use state terrorism with impunity, they’re still held back by a certain level of rule of law and transparency

>>21663341
>Leftist gender ideologues have unironically made gender more rigid than it ever was in history.
This isn't even remotely true. The fact is however that troons have always existed. Elagabalus was one. But back in the day there was no way to troon out. Now there is, and the cultural zeitgeist geist has changed that it is now acceptable to 'choose' one's gender. Businessmen looking to make a profit cater to that market. Funnily enough puberty blockers have always existed. Some slave boys were castrated so they could not become masculine and be used as fuck toys by the elite.

Really, nothing has changed since the times of the Roman Empire. Absolutely nothing. It's just a repeat.

>>21663341
>Yeah this whole thing is bizarre. Leftist gender ideologues have unironically made gender more rigid than it ever was in history

Lol yes dude, it's fucking nuts. These academic neurotics have done something, some kind of slight of hand with language, like essentializing certain traits maybe? And yeah like you said it has actually made stricter gender constructs, even if it MAYBE allows for freer gender...expression in some ways. And if you care about these things you're a "chud" or you're "paranoid" or something, goddamn. What happened to the days when informed political discussion was actually the norm and talking about the actual, real causes and effects of current events was seen as an indication of a healthy society and engaged citizenry?

>>21663390
>Businessmen looking to make a profit cater to that market.

Nah that's just not correct. You're ignoring the other part of the problem: entire classes of professional academics, intellectuals, and "scientists" who've been fighting semantics and using word games to change how words are used and defined in common speech. For a glaring and somewhat more minor example of this, see the word "racism" and how in the past half decade or so, a loud (and possibly growing) minority of people (many of them in media and positions of power) has emerged who insist that racism is defined as "discrimination based on race combined with systemic power". It is not unrealistic to expect the number of people who hold these new definitions to grow as their institutional power and influence grows and millions of impressionable, Idealistic young people look up to them as "anti-establishment" and then parrot their views. This is already happening. The right is winning, buddy.

>>21663430
>Nah that's just not correct. You're ignoring the other part of the problem: entire classes of professional academics, intellectuals, and "scientists" who've been fighting semantics and using word games to change how words are used and defined in common speech. For a glaring and somewhat more minor example of this, see the word "racism" and how in the past half decade or so, a loud (and possibly growing) minority of people (many of them in media and positions of power) has emerged who insist that racism is defined as "discrimination based on race combined with systemic power". It is not unrealistic to expect the number of people who hold these new definitions to grow as their institutional power and influence grows and millions of impressionable, Idealistic young people look up to them as "anti-establishment" and then parrot their views. This is already happening.
Again this is the businessmen's doing. Who do you think owns the universities and the media?

>>21658123
>Geeks and autistics see it as a solution for their social friction in "perhaps I don't feel like I fit in because I'm denying my real gender/sexuality."

Absolutely. I've wondered this too, and as an autistic myself, I understand it to a certain extent. I think we desperately need to fix our failing education systems and repair our social ties. Post-haste. People are more and more having their brains hijacked by retarded, feel-good Idealism and it's extremely fucking gay.

>>21658312
Whose future? Who decided this? I know you're baiting but there are cold-blooded cretins who really believe this shit.

>>21659973
As other anons have pointed out, there's an overreliance on prescribing "repression" due to a people being disgusted, angered, etc by another group of people. There's a very real, natural reaction of disgust to aberrant behavior, especially when the behavior is unhygienic (sodomy, trans wound-vagina, etc).
>elaborate excuses to push gender from a way of prediscursive being and feelings into a mold of discourse where dysphoria can be disproven with "facts" and "logic".
This is an apt observation, though I'm still wary of "dysphoria" as a description of what an individual is experiencing, and its legitimacy as a social form. In other words I see why these rightist types want to bring dysphoria or gender into the realm of discursive logic as a political measure (which doesn't necessarily delegitimize it, no man is an island after all), but the pre-discursive nature of "gender" is inherently tied to deeply ingrained instincts of binary sex. Trans ideologues want to both say gender is ephemeral and purely a social construct, yet still adhere to some internal instinct which instructs their behavior, which in turn 99/100 times fits into an exaggerated, theatrical display of the opposite sex.
>admitting that I don't have to be a man, don't have to appear manly, dress manly and don't have to signify my relation to myself (what am I?) with a gendered term, brings a great amount of relief:
It's a shame that again trans ideologues still adhere to a gender binary, no matter what they say to the contrary. In the past you might have been seen as a sensitive man, or a homosexual or bisexual man, but now you must be the other gender, or nothing at all. Despite its self-lauding as a new, transcendent freedom, trans ideology is very limiting. And worst of all, no matter whether the trans ideologue adheres to the other genders' expression or some synthesis, others MUST also adhere and admit to their expression.
This is the sticking point of the matter, and why trans ideologues have become so insufferable. I can respect a transsexual who admits to their aberrant nature, but still finds their new sex as legitimate internally, without a need for external validation.

>>21658358
>and molly is like a dude.
This right here is the problem with today's gender discourse. Thinking certain traits being present in a man or a woman make them the opposite gender. People who think like this can't swallow the concept of "tomboy" because they think it's, what? Somehow repressive? People that think this way essentialize gender worse than anyone. There have always been women like Molly, there haven't always been trans people. Even people like Hellogabbalus or whatever his name is, even the various culture-specific "third gender" groups that have existed across time and space do not map 1:1 with transgender people. Cringe ideology.

>>21658750
>You were too cold or craven to save others during an actual epidemic, so now you've found your courage using the same rhetoric that was used against gays in the 70s by neo-fascists.

Is that it?

Projection. You use words you don't understand to underscore the moral "weight" of your otherwise empty statement. You have no idea what you're talking about and likely get your opinions from Buzzfeed, MSNBC, and your weird friends. You should either open your mind or shut your mouth.

>>21658794
>haha you must be an incel AND a rappist >:)
You have no ground to stand on and you know it. Reddit is calling, sir, beep boop--time to answer the call and Go Back.

>>21659271
>Nonbinary could be argued to be meaningless since most people have no gender identity, however. I'd wager at least 80% of the population would qualify as nonbinary.
I agree with this and have been trying to say this for a long time too lol, but haven't really been able to find the words. Unbelievably based. Also going along with the point you made, we should stop talking about "non-binary"ism and stop using it as an identifier altogether, I think. Even though I too am technically "non-binary" myself I still think it's a useless, grating, and divisive term that needs to be smothered to death in the cradle. If you see someone saying "my pronouns are le heckin they/them and I am non-binary/genderqueer/whateverqueer" it's safe to say you should exercise extreme caution in your personal dealings with them.

>>21663443
>Again this is the businessmen's doing. Who do you think owns the universities and the media?
Alright fair enough. We basically agree anyway lol.

>>21663443
>Who do you think owns the universities and the media?
jews

>>21659161
fucking hell that book is real
but what are the dog's pronouns

>>21663486
>As other anons have pointed out, there's an overreliance on prescribing "repression" due to a people being disgusted, angered, etc by another group of people. There's a very real, natural reaction of disgust to aberrant behavior, especially when the behavior is unhygienic (sodomy, trans wound-vagina, etc).
>elaborate excuses to push gender from a way of prediscursive being and feelings into a mold of discourse where dysphoria can be disproven with "facts" and "logic".
This is an apt observation, though I'm still wary of "dysphoria" as a description of what an individual is experiencing, and its legitimacy as a social form. In other words I see why these rightist types want to bring dysphoria or gender into the realm of discursive logic as a political measure (which doesn't necessarily delegitimize it, no man is an island after all), but the pre-discursive nature of "gender" is inherently tied to deeply ingrained instincts of binary sex. Trans ideologues want to both say gender is ephemeral and purely a social construct, yet still adhere to some internal instinct which instructs their behavior, which in turn 99/100 times fits into an exaggerated, theatrical display of the opposite sex.
>admitting that I don't have to be a man, don't have to appear manly, dress manly and don't have to signify my relation to myself (what am I?) with a gendered term, brings a great amount of relief:
It's a shame that again trans ideologues still adhere to a gender binary, no matter what they say to the contrary. In the past you might have been seen as a sensitive man, or a homosexual or bisexual man, but now you must be the other gender, or nothing at all. Despite its self-lauding as a new, transcendent freedom, trans ideology is very limiting. And worst of all, no matter whether the trans ideologue adheres to the other genders' expression or some synthesis, others MUST also adhere and admit to their expression.
This is the sticking point of the matter, and why trans ideologues have become so insufferable. I can respect a transsexual who admits to their aberrant nature, but still finds their new sex as legitimate internally, without a need for external validation.
My king. You have shined a light of wisdom in the darkness. I respect this post greatly. Thanks anon.

>>21659650
Yeah, this. The Leftist-Rightist dichotomy haunting the American mind must be destroyed as soon as possible. People who say "muh whataboutism" when other people rightly, albeit often simplistically, address that "both sides are wrong" must feel very intelligent, but they're really only hopelessly detached and apparently living on another planet.

*TING TING TING
ANNOUNCEMENT IF YOU PLEASE.
Before this thread dies I'd just like to say
FUCK NIGGERS
FUCK FAGS
FUCK DEGENERATE GROOMERS
FUCK LANGUAGE PERVERTING, CHILD GROOMING, MINDRAPING, SOPHIST SHITBAG TRANNIES
and most of all
FUCK JANNIES

>>21662462
>I don't plan on doing anything illegal, because I don't deem it necessary.
People kill themselves all the time; you will at least have to produce a prolonged hostage situation to get enough attention from your death that people read what you wrote. Presumably that can be done in such a way that no one is hurt but it'll have to be a lot of people in a big city for it to get the kind of international attention that would lead to a significant readership.

>>21662530
Man hands.

>>21663356
>they’re still held back by a certain level of rule of law and transparency
The biggest impediment is technology with everyone having a camera on them at all times and the ability to post a video to the public at large within seconds. This is why cryptography and anonymity are under attack. Regulation of the internet in general is a concerted, top-down effort to castrate the power of the public. Say what you will about Elon Musk (and there is plenty negative to say), the hegemony of sites like youtube and twitter and conglomerated media are the most powerful tools of the (((oligarchs))), as control of narrative is control of public perception is control of politics is control of society, and pushing against arbitrary twitter tranny mods is the best thing any ultra-rich person has done for the public in years, and I don't even use twitter.

>>21663486
Non-binary is pure stupidity. We are a sexually reproducing species, so unless you're some manner of intersexed you are not "non-binary". Sex norms vary wildly by time and place and no one beyond automatons with no genuine personality of their own has ever perfectly conformed to these norms. "Non-binary" as used by completely fertile, non-intersexed people is just snowflake-ism just as 99% of "dysphoria" is snowflake-ism. And no, your polycystic ovaries don't make you intersexed, whichever retarded "enby" girl may read this.

>>21659714
Bless you, my friend. I'm bisexual or something, and I'm in the same boat. We need to recognize that, no we are not normal, and no we will never be normal, but we are nonetheless humans with distinct experiences. Distinct experiences that we also don't need to rub in the faces of the majority of the population's faces, because there's no reason for that. Accepting that we are an abnormality is not the same as hating ourselves or denying our right to exist. I also have autism and this is abnormal, but who gives a shit? It is what it is, that's life, and there's so much more to life than ensuring straight people love you and "see" you. I think people would mistrust and hate actual homos and trans people a lot less if they weren't forced to treat them like sacred cows and wave that stupid fucking flag. Of course, there are people who just despise homosexuals and transgenders for the very fact that they exist, but I think ultimately they're a minority as well.

>>21663661
the elusive lucid troon
wonder where that falls in that Tedposter's homodex

>>21663390
This doesn’t refute his claim that gender roles have only become more rigid. The entire point is that trannies have to cosmetically adopt other gendered traits in order to be considered the opposite gender. They are not actually opposing those roles and traits, they’re actively upholding them and turning them into malleable decor

>>21663642
>People kill themselves all the time;
I'm not unaware.

>>21663667
Seemed more like a troondex.

>>21663682
I'm just saying you're going to have to do more than kill yourself to win a readership.

>>21663667
Iatrogenic

>>21663684
Yes, I am aware something has to be an interesting spectacle.

>>21663696
do it on facebook livestream like that shotgun guy

>>21663708
Boring. That happens every day.

>>21661010
>Regular folk didn't write these books. Or invent the car, or computer, or learned to harness electricity
Yeah, they did actually. That's part of what makes all of it so miraculous, it was done by people just like you and me. Who worked tirelessly and in teams to do great things. Your elitism stinks and your soul is necrotic inside your empty cage of a body. You think your post is profound and liberating or something but it's just midwit groaning and live-laugh-love "you're special!!!!" gibberish. Get fucked you zombie.

>>21663743
Their entire 'identity' is predicated on the lie that the sacrifices they've made by giving into degeneracy gives them some kind of superpower. When the truth is once the establishment stops using them as a viral weapon they fade into obscurity almost overnight. It's like those stupid fags who try and categorize Burroughs into /lgbt authors/. It'd be like claiming you're next Steinbeck or Hemmingway because they were straight and so are you.
Infantile narcissism.

>>21663111
Damn that's rough. But that's a golden reflection in a golden thread.
>>21663486
Piggy-backing off my own comment...
I want to comment further on "repression" and its overuse. I think its overuse comes from an axiomatic assumption that we are what we desire, in that we must adhere to our desires as their "natural". But say an alcoholic is "repressing" their desire for alcoholism, isn't that healthy? Of course it is, and giving into the desire in no way makes them healthier, and a disgust towards other alcoholics, especially when they're in their bouts of inebriation, is only natural, along with a sense of disgust towards themselves for their desire to drink in spite of its deteriorating effects on their person.
Desire isn't inherently bad, but you must channel and focus it, and sometimes drop it altogether, or it will control you. And when something controls you it has an incredible potential to destroy you by damaging yourself physically and interpersonally in an inalterable way.

>>21663064
You're replying to a copypasta that's been in circulation for a long time, anon. It's sad that I recognized it right away but it's true lol.

>>21661545
Yes, quit using semantics. Just admit you believe you have a justifiable reason to kill unborn babies. Hell, maybe you do?

>>21664045
>Just admit you believe you have a justifiable reason to kill unborn babies.
You're making a mistake, anon. When dealing with these people, remember: they believe in nothing. To them life is a vacuum of both meaning and content filled only by the wills of the most clever or violent tribal group.

>>21661630
You are a submissive/masochistic homosexual that wants to be sexually appealing to manly men. You want to twinkify yourself, or be a shemale to attract such men, but that is not the same as being a tranny.
Of course masochism, especially when it bleeds into the fantastical (your dysphoria), and the homosexual lifestyle can have its own host of problems, but that's another bridge you'll need to cross.

>>21661084
Yeah it was a bit fast haha

>>21661791
Conservatives have like this insane neurosis about trans people using bathrooms and merely existing in public space. In an ideal world trans people could just transition in peace, people would be taught in school "yeah trans people exist, it's ok" and they could use public spaces in peace. The democrats love talking about everything progressive except class, but trans people are after all part of the proletariat and it's reactionaries who drive the wedge by problematizing going to the toilet etc. not the left.

>>21663259
Enbies have always existed and always will, it's true. Words allow us to think about who we are differently. Enby is and umbrella term so it can mean several things, but for me, having that language is extremely useful to make sense of who I am, and I think if the people in the past were allowed the same semantic privilege as me, they would have found it useful as well. Furthermore, there's other languages that have similar terms so it's not a completely new invention except in Europe. For me it isn't a matter of contributing to some discourse, but to be honest about who I am and what I want, and somehow this honesty is extremely empowering and healing - it's not about lashing out.

>Ultimately, with you LGBTNFTs it seems you are at war with semantics and language, and since your movement also upholds pride, narcissism, and tribalism above all else, no LBGTABCD person is fully human until their exact pathology is represented as an equal identity. You throw endless tantrums about how the game is being played and then ruin it for every other player, and then you wonder why you motherfuckers are despised.

People on Twitter will do what people on Twitter do best: Get pissed about everything for the most stupid reasons. That's true for liberals, reactionaries and leftists. And companies will try to be as lazy as they can: They often try to make people talk about their product, either making right wingers melt down because it's "woke" or left wingers melt down because it's "problematic". Please don't let your self be defined by this empty spectacle: Who are you? Who are you really? What makes you happy? What do you care about? - I don't believe anyone really cares about a lot of the spectacle if they're honest, I think people truly care about being with themselves in eudaimonia if they're truly honest. One of the ingredients for my eudaimonia, is to admit to myself who I am.

>>21663636
amen brother

>>21664194
words word words
the left can't meme

>>21662431
Incredibly based post, BUT you need to refine your opinions further. For example, why does the psychogenic troon need to be controlled if the goal is to topple industrial society? Wouldn't you kill two birds with one stone by toppling industrial society?
And if you're going to publish post-mortem (which seems extreme) is it because you're an accelerationist? Wouldn't troonism help accelerate your cause?
Another anon posted how you need to sound extreme but I'm waiting for the "terrorists" who are incredibly lucid and not misanthropes in belief or action

>>21658018
Whatever you are, your identity doesn't matter. What you do or do not identify with doesn't matter. What matters is how you act, the power and wealth at your disposal, not what you believe yourself to be..
We all shit and pee and need to eat. At the end of our existence life our bodies will be worm food, virtually indistinguishable from all the others.
That is my only belief on this matter.

>>21664261
I am very much against what that anon stands for, but he's obviously not trying to meme with that post, feller. Taste sincerity, young sir

>>21664291
then why is every second word a trannyspeak buzzword

>>21663486
I'm not so engaged in the academic theory of gender so, to refer to deleuze's amazing text "what is grounding?" I can observe the fact of my gender without grounding it, in the same way that physics can observe facts without appealing to the ground of metaphysics. Now here >>21664194 I explain the facts of the matter which has a ground in me. I don't know much about gender theory which engages general social facts and has its ground in a metaphysical generality. So I'm sorry but I cannot have a good conversation with you about the philosophical grounding of gender.

Now, in my description of repressed dysphoria in right wing politics, I merely wanted to gesture that my experience was probably not alone. That one of the functions of Shapiro and Peterson and today Tate is to make people pass as cis: To become a man, not be a man.

With the desire comment I need to point out the strong difference between bimodal and binary: Gender is bimodal, not binary. As a critique of thinking that the peak of a modal distribution is somehow its 'essence' I would advice you to read Georges Bataille's interwar essay "The Deviations of Nature".

>>21663836
Being trans and enby is not a desire worth repressing - it's good and fine or as the lingo goes "valid". I've often heard Peterson make this exact speech, which is an example of how the function of some of his speech is to suppress the exploration of gender in favour of conformity.

>>21664295
Because he's been tragically misled by the word games and ideology of the ABCD Mafia. This is what people who believe shit like that sound like even when they're serious. These "left-libs" are just like this.

>>21664321
>That one of the functions of Shapiro and Peterson and today Tate is to make people pass as cis: To become a man, not be a man.
Not that anon I actually agree with you on this, well said. They are "masculinity grifters" and they sell what they believe masculinity to be to young, impressionable males. However, once again, for me this has nothing to do with gender being "non-binary", but with "Man-ness" or "Woman-ness" being a broad scope. If you want to call certain experiences or ways of being falling under Man/Woman non-binary, that's fine by me, but please don't insult my cognitive abilities by denying that you are a man or a woman. One more thing, I just want to say I am also aware of the man/woman gender, male/female sex distinction too, and I think it's just more wordplay that has no importance, no bearing. Gender and sex are synonyms, and it was not until the last 50-60 years that these words began to be treated differently.

Why does "being a man" cause you so much psychic pain? What is your conception of a man?

>>21664291
Back in the day I was a memeing so hard I got meme'd myself. Now my goal is radical sincerity, which certainly is cringe but honest.

>>21664295
>>21664331
If my explanation becomes unclear because of difference in lingo, I'm open and ready to expand. As long as you ask decently ofc.

I'm quite far from an ideologue, rather than some political project my goal is just to find peace with myself, honestly. To a large extend I am practically a griller.

this is just the latest con.
people trying to be sincere dont phrase shit like 'x has always existed', where x is some made up troon word.
not buying it. dilate

>>21664380
>Back in the day I was a memeing so hard I got meme'd myself. Now my goal is radical sincerity, which certainly is cringe but honest.
Lol yeah, sincerity is always cringe when we ourselves can't be honest with ourselves. I understand what you mean about wanting to find peace with yourself, of course. We're both human beings here, and life is full of uncertainty and suffering for everyone, regardless of gender. Would you please respond to my question up here though, I really want to know: >>21664371
>Why does "being a man" cause you so much psychic pain? What is your conception of a man?

>>21664194
A word filled you up with identity, which in turn made you feel more comfortable with yourself. Reflect on that.

>>21664287
I think the school systems have a large part to do with this. You sit in your classes and are told what to do, then you're evaluated on how well you did what you were told. You merely pass through the system with zero impact on its structure, and so many people come out the other side with an unconscious belief that nothing they DO matters, so when these people congregate (socially and intellectually, not necessarily physically) they come to believe that what counts is what's on the INSIDE. And since there's nothing much there, what counts is finding a label they feel comfortable with.

>>21664331
They mostly just sound lonely and dumb. Bee yourself, live your truth: those kinds phrases are part and parcel with people who yearn for internal comfort. They always seem to have really shitty taste in music, too.

>>21664275
Part of being lucid is understanding compromise. If industrial society cannot be stopped, it would at least be good to reduce mass pollution (for example, halting the use of plastics where it is non-essential, such as in toys, disposable kitchenware, etc) and mutilation of children, right?
There are other problems with society too, such as leftist causes being used by large financial interests. Transgenderism (medical companies) and idpol are big ones.

>>21664408
>They always seem to have really shitty taste in music, too.
Don't forget the anime and weebism. The cutesie prepube anime girl. Righties and gender disasters often seem to present themselves with very similar internet personas. It's a very strange dialectic and it really makes me wonder...

trannies cant exist in any real capacity outside of the internet.
all of their flowery language and acronyms would be buried under the thick fecal stench that emanates from out its toxic spill of a neovagina

>>21664453
>thick fecal stench that emanates from out its toxic spill of a neovagina
True, this is why we need to push for technology to synthesize gene-cloned body parts and synthetic bodies for transgenders

>>21664465
I will murder you all

>>21664402
>Why does "being a man" cause you so much psychic pain? What is your conception of a man?
Probably just a fear of being judged by women. I feel like that's the root cause underneath 99% of non-AGP troons, whereas FtM boymoders (that's what they call themselves, right?) want to fit in with "the guys", many of whom have older brothers they looked up to in childhood. Now that I consider it more, my first point helps explain the hard-to-describe shamelessness of troons who compete against women in sports. They always seem to wear a sense of relief that seems completely incongruent with their brazen exploitation of circumstances, but it makes sense if you consider the root cause.
RadFeminism + FemaleEntitlement + IdPol + Trannyism = an explosion of troons and "enbies"
Ironically, those who complain loudest about troons, TERFs, are exactly the ones who have created the tranny epidemic by stigmatizing maleness in every arena of social life. You reap what you sow.

>>21664438
Worth considering. Both are running away from the judgments of real (or at least western) women. Bit of an anime-loving weeb myself so it's interesting food for thought as to what the appeal is.

>>21664470
You won't do a goddamn thing, you little poser.

>>21664371
>Why does "being a man" cause you so much psychic pain?
I kinda described it here >>21659973
>please don't insult my cognitive abilities by denying that you are a man or a woman.
You can think I'm a goat for all I care.

>Gender and sex are synonyms, and it was not until the last 50-60 years that these words began to be treated differently.
Atoms were also observed some time ago - doesn't make their reality less valid.
And what little Judith Butler I've read, they actually tries to describe how even sex is somewhat socially constructed since and likely in what ways gender is genetically determined. Interesting point aside, I don't honestly care about that whole debate - I know that viewing myself as enby makes my life better and my self-relation more honest. As a real person existing outside some culture war, being an enby makes sense.

>>21664399
I just agreed with the previous comment that enbies have always existed but use different words to describe their experience throughout history. My vocabulary is generally quite obtuse when I comment on /lit/.


>>21664408
>A word filled you up with identity, which in turn made you feel more comfortable with yourself. Reflect on that.
The word "love" also filled a lot of people with a sense of selfhood. Nevertheless there was a time before when romantic love/courtly love was invented and a time after.

>>21664465
>True, this is why we need to push for technology to synthesize gene-cloned body parts and synthetic bodies for transgenders
Based and xenopilled

>>21664508
I was kidding, but unfortunately this is likely going to be a reality. Having to strain more of our resources and brainpower to build bodies for a tiny fraction of a fraction of the world struggling with their identity does not excite me in the least (beyond the sci-fi strangeness of the concept of course)

>>21664408
>an unconscious belief that nothing they DO matters, so when these people congregate (socially and intellectually, not necessarily physically) they come to believe that what counts is what's on the INSIDE. And since there's nothing much there, what counts is finding a label they feel comfortable with.
This is part of it, but I believe the turn towards and fixation on labels comes from postmodern philosophy, in particular Derrida. (Not that the people using this language are even aware of the intellectual ancestry of their rhetoric...)
When all of reality is seen as a text, and meaning only exists within the text, as they would put it, then we get to choose whatever labels we want.
At the same time binaries are viewed as false, meaningless impositions, and so "minority" identities that exist outside of or challenge a binary are viewed as subversive.

>>21664480
not me btw
>>21664402
>Why does "being a man" cause you so much psychic pain?
Don't know desu, because it's dishonest to describe myself as a man?
Your question is kinda like this https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yPP5bD8xVhg the question "why are you gay?" fx. is quite absurd, an answer could be "because I like sucking dick" but this just begs the question "why do you like sucking dick" which is answered by "because I'm gay" and that just brings us back to the start. The guy in the video is not gay though, which adds to the absurdity of the situation.

>>21664497
>The word "love" also filled a lot of people with a sense of selfhood.
Not really, the CONCEPT of love did. The word just gave expression to the essence of that concept.
>I kinda described it here >>21659973
I'm still having a hard time understanding what your issue with the conception of a man is. The same people who watch Tate, Peterson, Shapiro believe that transgender women are also men (I kind of believe that myself, though I think those guys are masculinity grifters like I already said), so their conception of what a man is seems pretty progressive to me. If you can wear a dress and look like a woman and act like a woman and still be a man, then why is there an issue with "being a man"? What is wrong with the concept of a man? Once again, manhood has a million faces. Escaping into idealism or nihilistic semantics just seems like exactly that, escapism. If your issue is that the modern conception of manhood that is being pushed by the faggots on the right is too narrow and suffocating, then you and I are in 100% agreement. But their conception of manhood is not all there is to manhood, and is just as historically/socially contingent as the construction "non-binary"

>>21664540
youre making things too complicated then complaining theres no satisfying answer.
you're either a man, a man who acts like a pussy, or a man who acts like a fag.

>>21664497
>Nevertheless there was a time before when romantic love/courtly love was invented and a time after.
No, there really wasn't. Romantic attachment is seen in all cultures, including barely-contacted tribes. The only new thing is the use of romantic love as a prerequisite for marriage and/or sex. And that is quite beside the point since being in love is not some call to identity unless you are a writer during the Romantic period or a woman who gets shitty ankle tattoos quoting bad poetry.
>I kinda described it here >>21659973
You didn't describe anything other than not wanting anything masculinity salesmen are selling, which shouldn't (but perhaps does anyway) have anything to do with why you feel apprehensive towards your own association with masculine schemas.

>>21664408
>I think the school systems have a large part to do with this. You sit in your classes and are told what to do, then you're evaluated on how well you did what you were told. You merely pass through the system with zero impact on its structure, and so many people come out the other side with an unconscious belief that nothing they DO matters, so when these people congregate (socially and intellectually, not necessarily physically) they come to believe that what counts is what's on the INSIDE. And since there's nothing much there, what counts is finding a label they feel comfortable with.
YES. 100%. It's a kind of a reaction to very dim circumstances.

>>21664544
>you're either a man, a man who acts like a pussy, or a man who acts like a fag.
I think I know which one you are. Do you?

>>21664529
>Your question is kinda like this https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yPP5bD8xVhg [Embed] the question "why are you gay?" fx. is quite absurd, an answer could be "because I like sucking dick" but this just begs the question "why do you like sucking dick" which is answered by "because I'm gay" and that just brings us back to the start
In this specific circumstance, the answer could be "because I am homosexual and choose to identify as gay". Once again, it's all about labels and identities.

>>21664557
i act like a pussy which is why im on here
but at least i dont act like a fag

>>21664564
Why do you hate men?

>>21664515
I think they've already found out how to replace your dna chromosomes, soon there's no difference between trans and cis women.

>>21664522
Just to add my two cents, dressing differently and interacting differently with people is also an action.

>>21664540
>I'm still having a hard time understanding what your issue with the conception of a man is.
I don't have an issue. I'm just not a man. I have an issue with peperson, tate and shapeepoo though.

>>21664547
>being in love is not some call to identity
No, it's part of an identity, like husband, sailor, man, enby, bottom, Brazilian, Christian and white are all words we use to describe parts of who we are.
Being a husband is hugely important to people, even though it's a constructed word. And as established earlier, like people have always loved in some compacity or other, people have always been enbies in some compacity or other. Romantic poetry or words like "enby" just give an expression to this perennial fact. A very good expression.

>>21664562
ok, because I'm enby I choose to identify as enby...
Didn't know you were satisfied with a tautology, but here you go.

>>21664578
>Being a husband is hugely important to people, even though it's a constructed word.
It's a role. That there is a word for it is entirely beside the point of roles being important to people. That you take such big comfort in being "enby" speaks only to having a very deep need for identity since all it amounts to is declaring that you don't conform very well to stereotypical conceptions of being an adult male in your society. It's a safety blanket, and if a safety blanket for not being a stereotypically masculine male is that important to your emotional comfort, you should seriously examine that. And drop the stupid language games since you're completely inept at using them.

>>21664594
It's not a tautology though, not really. Homosexual and gay are not synonymous, one is an inborn sexual preference, the other is a modern social construction that you can wear like a costume. Yeah, I think I am starting to understand your argument.

>>21664608
jesus fuck just ack yourself already

>>21664629
are you the non-binary poster? Why so upset? Jesus H. Calm down you weirdo.

>>21664602
You say I play language games while most of your comment is just empty rhetoric like "safety blanket" "you should seriously examine that", you honestly don't mean much with those words beyond affect, do you? Listen, we all want to feel comfortable in our own skin and honest with ourselves. Your rhetoric implies that I need to man up and face the suffering of being a man. Maybe I don't have to suffer, maybe I can achieve my goals easier if don't flee from myself, finally, now I can be there for myself and the people who I love instead of being a depressive sack of shit. Ironically, I'm stronger and more vital, in one sense more manly, since I've admitted to myself and my friends that I'm an enby.

(replace 'woman' with 'enby')
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dGnSX8S-XaU

>>21664665
Nono, I think it's someone trying to tell me to ack but they're too stupid to tag the correct person.

>>21664708
theres no such thing as an 'enby' you dismal deluded dunghead. there's a man who has a cock and a woman who has a cunt, and that's it. and no one had any problem with that until ten years ago when Obama's fear factory shook up the world like a snowglobe iin order to cause havoc. you're being used, as a pawn, in psychological warfare. and no one, not one single person, not your parents, not your relatives, not your doctor or therapist, not even your group of friends actually believes that you are anything besides a man. you're a man. get over it.

>>21664708
>Your rhetoric implies that I need to man up and face the suffering of being a man.
The only real point I'm making is the obvious one: you need a sense of identity (bought from a quite stupid word such as "non-binary"—as if anyone could be said to be "binary") to feel comfortable in yourself. That's a very shallow comfort and is more the exact opposite of striving to be more honest with yourself. Basically you are finding comfort in a language-game clique so that you can flee from proper self-examination.

>>21664708
Is race a social construct? And if so, does it have any value? I promise you this question is relevant to this conversation, just bear with me.

>>21664470
Can't wait to leak your gay little discord server to /pol/

>>21664718
The internet made you hear stories and people who were previously hidden from discourse.

>>21664728
Ok Freud, insert papamama in my triad.
Maybe you should examine why you're asking me these questions.
>as if anyone could be said to be "binary"
what are you trying to say with this? As I said previously, my gender identity isn't based on fact and logic, but an understanding of how it is to be me. Why are you trying to debate me out of being enby? you should seriously examine that.

>>21664743
Yes, all propositions are made with language and language is socially constructed. There's no objective criteria to where an arm stops and a shoulder begins except the definitions established by language.

>>21664781
>from discourse.
I meant mainstream discourse

>>21664781
>Yes, all propositions are made with language and language is socially constructed. There's no objective criteria to where an arm stops and a shoulder begins except the definitions established by language.

Yeah man I thought I was going somewhere with that race-social construct thing. I thought I was gonna pwn you with a right hook, but I realized it doesn't really do anything for my point. Ultimately racial identity and gender identity are both irrational while having good grounding in biology at the same time. I don't know, nevermind lol