/lit/ - Literature

>>21650598
Nah. I once summond a supernatural being from out of the void and demanded it give me a gf. If you really stick to it you can change the weather, see into the future, etc.

Jung is just a counter-initiatory dark sheppard

>>21650598
>not actually truly real
What does "real" mean for you?

>>21650598
That's the way you should be looking at it but a lot of them did take it seriously at least to some extent

>>21650612
That it can manifest itself into physical reality, not just in the mind.

Dude looks like a divorced Wolverine

>>21650621
as far as I know Roman Catholic dogma changed from (A) the devil is real but his powers are only illusions and spells of delusion to (B) the devil is real and his powers have physical reality like broom stick flying or crop failures. I could be wrong of course.

>>21650621
Well, the mechanisms of noumena manifest in reality without you being able to fully comprehend it. Just like your PC works without any single person being able to completely understand how. It is a metaphor, or maybe it is a knowledge that can be expressed only in mystical terms with ideas that create a world of mythos. It exists in your subconscious, other's subconscious, in laws of nature that you can't understand, in particular mechanisms of the reality and human life. You got a problem if you can't don't get that some of things are manifested in reality and some are misconceptions.

Why yes I have pictures of ugly old men on my computer, how could you tell?

>>21650609
how did you do this / what kind of occult practices do you participate in?

>>21650598
no it's all real dumb fuck the British just kill you if you use it

>>21650884
VR Porn

>>21650838
>meme reaction images are le bad!

>>21651053
i-it's just a meme reaction images, bro!

>>21650621
Mind is what manifests things into reality. If you have bad thoughts you do bad things it is not complicated.

>>21651056
Yes, you’re the one making it something else.

>>21650621
Can you manifest yourself into physical reality?

There's two schools of Western magical thought.

The first is that there's no such thing as "magic", you're just asking the Gods (the Olympians, Zeus and friends) to do stuff, and careful study of their personalities has gathered up a really big body of literature on just what the Gods like (Zeus likes it when you wear purple robes, offer a cow, the table is a big circle, etc).

The second is that it's all in your head and you're just memeing yourself into successfully going through with something.

Pick which one gets you off your ass, there you go.

>>21650598
The occult shit as you say is partially an attempt to see through the symbol for what the symbol really means. The difference between seeing a real atom and not the commonplace anatomically incorrect model (symbol) of an atom everyone is taught.

>>21650884
I used Julius Evolas intro to magic. Mostly did breathing exercises and built up tapas, then directed them towards my will.

Don't summon otherworldly spirits though anon. My gf took up years of my life then sucked me.

>>21651177
What are tapas?

>>21651082
So basically I make deals with Athena while meditating or I just echo the opposite of what the little voice in my head that calls me a failure and a piece of shit so that it balances out my subconscious affirmations? It truly felt like a waste going through the lesser keys of Solomon and researching how to do all this magic shit when it's basically 'meditate bruh' but with demons instead of the eastern 'meditate bruh' with buddhas. Was this just bullshit self improvement but for faggots in the 1700s?

>>21651211
Yep.

>Was this just bullshit self improvement but for faggots in the 1700s?
No, it was self improvement for the 400s, because the Classical civilization was working fine, and then Christfags came along, and suddenly then needed to smuggle back into centuries of knowledge after they had an oy vey attack and tried to get rid of it all.

At the end of the day though, yes, you are right, you can't just cheat your way into being a better man, you have to actually improve. Whether you're doing that with Athena's help or by getting memed on by Solomon is up to you.

>>21651182
Read Ka by Roberto Calasso. They're basically the unused potential which can be collected through meditation.

Try sitting without movement, and direct your energies towards the inner fire. Eventually that potential can be directed towards reality itself.

>>21651557
Interesting. Thanks for the directions, I will look into it.

>>21650598
>all the occult shit
>Jung, Crowley
Lol. Lmao even.

>>21651578
What?

>>21650598
No, because the subconscious doesnt exist.

>>21651590
Elaborate.

>>21651584
They aren't representative of the occult at all and the psychological interpretation of magic(k) is cope.

>>21652054
>Crowley
>not representative of the occult
He’s the poster boy of the field.

>>21650598
I don’t personally like this guys facial expressions, it makes me think he’s a Bogan or something

>>21651591
He’s probably some eliminativist twat like Paul Churchland, ignore him

>>21650609
Liar

>>21652072
Only if you're a Thelemite.

>>21652093
In the popular imagination.

>>21652098
I call "the popular imagination" to the witness stand.

>>21652114
He’s the most famous occultist. Get over it.

>>21652079
Depth psychology is unfalsifiable. It is a system of magic like any other. NTA but he’s right.

>>21650598
No.
>>21650609
>selling your eternal soul for shallow pleasures tiny powers
Repent; you've been had!

>>21650598
No. Get into astrology and you'll see it's all real. Jung was a fool and just playing to the crowd, desperate for approval from the profane scientists.

>>21651591
There is no such thing as a subconscious strata, nor is there a need to it. There is the material strata, the cognitive strata, the semi-transcendent region defined by Merleau-Ponty as the Flesh, and then the eidetic and transcendental ones.
The subconscious is a conceptual aberration which muddles the limits of ideal and material sciences.
All non-transcendental psychology needs as concepts to thematize consciousness are representations, judgement and emotions. These only have value as you are conscious of them, or at least insofar as they are items of your conscious activity. They may be obscured, or ephemeral, but so is everything in the right conditions, if they are a force, a mood, an object affecting your mind you can turn around and fully realize their presence. This is because they are part of the united flux of your consciousness, and you have the ability to suspend this flux to reflect back on past sequences.

>>21650598
>the operation of the mind is not real.

wew lad.

>>21650609
Did it give you a gf?

>>21652973
Yeah, a couple days later. She was beautiful, sweet, and in many ways embodied the ideas towards feminity I had at that time She took two years of my life and broke my heart, and honestly, nothing good came out of it. Stay away from summoning demons and jinn because there's always going to be an ironic twist at the end.

It's better for everyone to read their Bible/Qur'an every day and remember God and leave it at that. Not all magic involves conjuring and invoking otherworldly beings, but I can't in good conscience recommend those things to anyone.

>>21653241
> there's always going to be an ironic twist at the end
Monkey paw!

>>21650598
the occult is for pseuds and midwits
just leave it at that, there is no wisdom in a great knowledge of evil

>>21653312
Everything is for midwits, isn’t it?

>>21650598
yeah, it is only as real as you believe it to be
also for all the tradcath larpers here

>Concerning Food Sacrificed to Idols

>8 Now about food sacrificed to idols: We know that “We all possess knowledge.” But knowledge puffs up while love builds up. 2 Those who think they know something do not yet know as they ought to know. 3 But whoever loves God is known by God.[a]

>4 So then, about eating food sacrificed to idols: We know that “An idol is nothing at all in the world” and that “There is no God but one.” 5 For even if there are so-called gods, whether in heaven or on earth (as indeed there are many “gods” and many “lords”), 6 yet for us there is but one God, the Father, from whom all things came and for whom we live; and there is but one Lord, Jesus Christ, through whom all things came and through whom we live.

>7 But not everyone possesses this knowledge. Some people are still so accustomed to idols that when they eat sacrificial food they think of it as having been sacrificed to a god, and since their conscience is weak, it is defiled. 8 But food does not bring us near to God; we are no worse if we do not eat, and no better if we do.

>9 Be careful, however, that the exercise of your rights does not become a stumbling block to the weak. 10 For if someone with a weak conscience sees you, with all your knowledge, eating in an idol’s temple, won’t that person be emboldened to eat what is sacrificed to idols? 11 So this weak brother or sister, for whom Christ died, is destroyed by your knowledge. 12 When you sin against them in this way and wound their weak conscience, you sin against Christ. 13 Therefore, if what I eat causes my brother or sister to fall into sin, I will never eat meat again, so that I will not cause them to fall.

>>21650621
Then read Neville Goddard. He'll tell you how to do it.