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>>21630102
Don't you have to justify whatever leaps of faith you take with reason first? Sure, God is hypothetically beyond human reason and therefore at some point you must rely on faith instead to understand God but you still have to justify that leap of faith with reason first in the sense that you have to reason that you ought to take it

>>21630120
When you realize how fruitless it is to rationalize anything when everything circle immediately back to faith dogmatism.

Because without it, chaos and order cannot be understood, trust in brain chemicals fitted for survival not rationality cannot be trusted, representation cannot be understood, universals cannot be understood.

You have to follow Occam's razor and just admit God exists. Whether it is Christian, Jewish/Islam, Gnosticism is the bigger question.

>>21630142
>When you realize how fruitless it is to rationalize anything when everything circle immediately back to faith dogmatism.
>You have to follow Occam's razor and just admit God exists.
Why does it have to be faith in God in particular? Why is God necessary for the understanding of chaos and order, representation and universals?

>>21630102
>just believe goy
>don't question it goy
ok fuckhead

>>21630142
>When you realize how fruitless it is to rationalize anything when everything circle immediately back to faith dogmatism.
Isn't that a question of how something's justified rather than a question of what's justified? This seems to be more of an argument of foundationalism than anything. Couldn't you just cut out the middle man and have faith in reason instead of explaining the unknown by appeal to something even more unknown?

>trust in brain chemicals fitted for survival not rationality cannot be trusted
Why can't our brains be trusted? Why does there have to be a sharp opposition between being fitted for survival and being fitted for rationality? Hasn't our rationality helped us not only survive but flourish? Even dismissing all that and conceding that they couldn't be trusted, would not the same apparently suspect brain chemicals be implicated in religious faith and throw it too into question?

>>21630102
kys

>>21630120

>God is hypothetically beyond human reason

Below actually. But wait, are we talking actual decent human beings here or fleshies?! ^^

>>21630102
>blind faith in god
which often translates to "blind faith in political and religious leaders"

>which god? There's like thousands of them to chose from

It's foolhardy to think you can get by without faith. You don't need faith in god but you need faith in something, usually many things. This is the funny thing about the human brain. It only focuses on what it thinks it knows or can control. All of the things it puts faith in it takes for granted including itself.

>>21630120
I meditate with technique rather than by repeating scripture from a book with too many metaphores that cloud my head (only one I got down with was really Psalm 23:4 on deployment), wanted to feel some control over my spiritual development, went with Buddhism (hey, the dharmachakra kinda looks like a helmsman's wheel), there are certain stuff that we just cannot confirm with testable experimentation, we must have blind faith in the fact that we are in a Samsara

>>21630102
Blessed be all who fallow The Lord

>>21630102
>>21630142
This is why I have faith in Nagarjuna, who understood these things before any Christian, and who remains irrefutable.

>>21630791
"The farther we probe into space, the greater my faith." - literally von Braun

>>21632797
>faith in Nagarjuna
Please, explain; who is this (Japanese?) sage you speak of?

>>21630102
>You must have blind faith in God

>>21630102

The Catechism of the Council of Trent is easy to read. Stop arguing for Christianity if you don't actually know what the basic teachings of Christianity are.

Assigning human qualities and ethics to a being capable of creating all is ridiculous. Overestimating the importance our 100 year existence in a place where rocks which are billions of years old exist is selfish and illogical. We simply at this point cannot know, so we should not claim to do so with self-indulgent certainty.

>>21634155
This is a meme only a retard could like

>>21634479
You must be a happy guy if I posted it for you then

>>21633398

>"The farther we probe into space, the greater my faith."

Beautifully said. :)