/lit/ - Literature

>>21611847
>but why keep coming to this shithole where no one reads?
ftfm

>>21611847
A lot of anons left and even more lurk or come here infrequently

>>21611847
>I know some of you also post in other pages
You have to go back, tourist

>>21611868
you are the kind of npc that op was referring to

>>21611885
no u

redditors want to help
4chanman wants to seethe about american politics and frogs

>>21611847
>but why keep coming to this shithole where no one reads here?
Over the last week or so I've drastically reduced my visits. It's addiction. But yes, the board is so inexpressibly bad even an addict retard can't enjoy it much anymore.

You've taken the redpill. Reddit just has a higher quality of discourse. The tradeoff is a sprinkling of really "basic" normies, but its a small price to pay compared to this shitpit.

The only problem is that 4chan's format is superior.

>>21611946
I agree. I'm leaving. Bye anons. You should leave too.

>>21612016
>4chan's format is superior
This and I've way more top keks on here then I ever had on that site which will not be named but for which, when I do on occasion go on that god-forsaken site (mostly, alas, for the niche porn subreddits), I visit using the old.reddit.com url: the reddit format of patricians.

Which subreddit did you post on and what kind of book did you ask for? Most literary subs are full of young adult trash.

>>21611847
/lit/ is still good for writers as long as you stay out of /wwg/. Anonymity means people take my post as me, I can larp as my characters and none the wiser, I get an honest reaction to the character instead of a critique. Good exercise replying to posts in character. Every thread and post is a writing prompt, can't get away with that on reddit.

>>21611847
Go back troon. They accept your kind there.

>>21612036
>>21612035
>The only problem is that 4chan's format is superior
>Anonymity means people take my post as me, I can larp as my characters and none the wiser
You are right.

>>21612035
One with almost 3XXK users.

>>21611847
>Why is /lit/ so worthless?
Because no one here reads, which shows when viewing the catalog.

>>21611847
based plebbit

>>21611847
Grow a thicker skin you fucking snowflake. There is a lot of value on this board when you filter out the garbage. Browsing reddit you will never learn that the book you liked is shit and why. Good luck growing as a reader in that disgusting hyperpolite environment.

>>21612421
Listen here, Nazi. You illiberal swine. Manners beget social contracts. Without it, we’d fall into Barbarism.

>>21612429
Like this retard with no reading comprehension, addressing some point that nobody made (or regurgitating some lame meme, who the fuck knows). That's the kind of stuff you learn to quickly skim over.

>>21612437
Huh? NTA but what exactly was his endgame? Now the dust has settled.

/lit/ isn't worthless
/lit/ is actually based
i have the most good conversations on this board than any other along with many good recommendations and humour

>>21612421
>There is a lot of value on this board when you filter out the garbage
There isn't. Show me some of that value, show me just two or three actually good, literate and useful posts on here.

>>21612447
its all about timing

>>21612429
Emasculated hyperpolite show of submission is not manners. Here I'm free to have manners, there the trannies will try to shape me. Fuck off and go back.

>>21612993
>I'm rude because I'm le based
nah

>>21613015
No, I'm rude because I'm honest and don't fear for my reddit reputation, like you do.

>>21613024
Get back to me when you finish high school, Chudzilla.

>>21613024
We have all your info chud :) According to my post history I am a rich but also poor and white which a large black cock and have Jewish-Asianlineage from Mexico. Gay and Pro-putin anti obama and racist

>>21611847
>we still don‘t know what the book was
That would probably explain why only genre reading manchildren could/would help desu

>>21611847
You should go back and stay there, newfag. Make sure your schlock of Fantasy and SciFi never gets made fun with the le heckin updoots and every book is equally valued

Are you young or something? Some people just don’t get “internet hate machine” culture. No wonder they gravitate towards reddit. Anonymous is less quality but occassionally gems shine through and it’s not tied to a username looking for updoots

>>21611847
my nigger why would you ever ask for reccomendations ? Have you really read all of the classics, philosophical treaties, important historical, psychological and socio economical works?

>>21613024
You are not rude; you are just a kid (or I really hope that, otherwise you are just the cringy retard that is the actualized form of the fedora fag).

>>21613145
Didn't say the title because I don't want no-life brainrotten 4channers to ctrl+f the thread.

>>21611847
I don’t come here as much anyone. Too many retards who are too confident in their retardation these days.

>>21613163
>hurr durr me tough for visiting and insulting people on an anonymous site
I still regularly visit an imageboard with more insane, hateful and degenerate audience than what you can find on here, where they just recently started curbing the pedo porn. And it's still more entertaining and informative than /lit/.
If /lit/ was literally any good you'd simply point to any positive quality that might be found here, instead of talking like a teenager from /b/ in the 00s.

>>21613393
Shut the fuck up, fag

>>21613393
>simply point to any positive quality that might be found here
The /lit/ wiki is a fantastic resources. Better than anything other online communities ever produced.
https://4chanlit.fandom.com/wiki/

>>21613393
>simply point to any positive quality that might be found here
Here I can find people who are well read in poetry, philosophy, theology, and non-fiction all in one place. On reddit besides the fact that you must always act like a literal fag, people are divided in too many communities.

>>21613393
>simply point to any positive quality that might be found here
Free speech, people are not bluepilled, I don't have to see forced diversity and LGBTQ crap. If you don't mind these, please stay there goodbye!

>>21613393
>simply point to any positive quality that might be found here,
I don't get banned for speaking my mind, I don't get downvoted for having a different view

>>21613393
>simply point to any positive quality that might be found here
All my literary frens are here and they don't mind my autism and social inadequacy

>>21613393
>simply point to any positive quality that might be found here
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>>21613422
My last ban was for saying there were no black people in Norway in the 90s. That's it. That's all I said. And I get trannyjanny bans like this multiple times a month atleast.

>>21613393
>simply point to any positive quality that might be found here
It's the only community that allows and cultivates right wing thought.

>>21613457
By right-wing thought you mean milquetoast conservative pearl clutching because I will simultaneously get called both a tranny and and a glownigger depending on how I critique modernity.

>>21613479
You'll get called out for anything, but on other communities you'll get banned and downvoted (silenced)

>>21613403
Neat but literally not a part of this site. Most charts are slapped together by people who don't know shit.

>>21613410
>/lit/
>well-read
Maybe one in a hundred posters is actually well-read in a particular topic. Most of the board is hopeless retards who yet have to start with the Greeks and are asking whether they have to read "How to Read a Book".

>>21613414
>Free speech
Jannies literally deleted my posts because I wrote "nigger" or "kike".
> I don't have to see forced diversity and LGBTQ crap
If only, in truth we get five threads daily about diversity and LGBT (just complaining about them instead of being positive about it).

>>21613422
You being present here is not a positive in itself.
Also see above, over the last year or so they've started curbing the "hate speech" here as well.

>>21613457
Spamming memes is not thought. There's an occasional good thread about theology, I'll give you that, but spamming le epic monke face schizo is not quality.
Also none of it is literature.

>>21613522
Cope

>>21613529
seed

>>21613506
>downvoted(silenced)
4chan effectively has it's own version of this with (you)s. As soon as the chain reaction starts of someone calling you a trannyfaggot, whatever opinion you may have had gets lost in the wildfire of shitposts.
Also, bans entirely are the whims of mods, which every board will tell you has their own biases and triggers that will get you axed.

>>21612429
Reddit is retarded echo chamber. Shit doesn't even lets you upvote or downvote controversial opinions until it has amassed a few of either.

>>21613547
>(you)s bad
>(you)s are silencing
Damn how hard do you have to try to push your garbage opinions

>>21611847
We should have more group readings so zoomers join in reading literature instead of just lurking there

>>21613573
4chan has it's own censor culture. Le wild west of the internet is ludicrously outdated.
Let me make a thread about Marx and see how that turns out. Surely, it will be intelligent debate and not bumplimit of "ywnbaw".

>>21613636
Good, YWNBAW

>>21613646
Dilate

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>>21613410
>Here I can find people who are well read in poetry, philosophy, theology, and non-fiction all in one place
Are you well versed in any of these? Because I'm well readed in philosophy and christianity and I've (almost) never read a decent post in any of those ---even though 'people who apparently can distinguish well versed people' act like those posters are worth something more than a pub-small-talk.

You people are as arrogant as you are ignorant (and most of the time, stupid).

>>21614109
What have you read?

>>21614538
the basics; the the seconday; the polemics; and the new (those that pretend to become the basic and the secondary, and those that posit the state of the new polemics: articles, books and presentations). Do you want me to give you a bibliography? I'll not do that, because people on 4chan do not read ---what would you do with a 1500p book on the history of Catholic polemics from the V to the XIII centrury? You wouldn't understand shit because you don't know what Catholic theo-philosophy meant at all, since you lack context, philosophical education, and a lot more.

I’m guessing once again anons don’t know the difference between free speech and moderation. A lot here think that just because they can say nigger or kike it makes it the best, ignoring the fact that the quality is low and often off topic. /pol/ is for politically incorrect. If you want to say politically incorrect things, go there. Way too many anons are directioned brained when it comes to books, they literally can’t not see things through their radical ideologue lens

>>21614850
Holy shit shut the fuck up nigger. People just say nigger get over it. Does that really stop your retarded nigger ass from having a discussion?

>>21614882
I always knew ironically using nigger and fag would come back to haunt 4chan

>>21614538
nothing

>>21614882
>go to /tv/ to discuss movies
>WHY ARE THE LIBERALS
>go to /mu/ to discuss music
>WHY ARE THE TRANNIES
>go to /x/ to discuss the paranormal
>WHY ARE THE JEWS
>go to /his/ to discuss history
>WHY ARE THE ATHEISTS
>go to /tg/ to discuss fantasy
>WHY ARE THE COMMIES
>go to /fit/ to discuss lifting
>WHY ARE THE FEMINISTS
>go to /lit/ to discuss books
>WHY ARE THE PROGRESSIVES
Gradually, I began to hate them...

>>21611847
I have never seen a single good recommendation come from anywhere besides /lit/, except for Wittkop who I learned about from artist twitter, and even then I later found her on one of the /lit/'s infographs I'd saved.
Reddit doesn't give good recommendations because the site is designed to give advice on how to fix computers and get video game mods to work. Open questions and casual discussion collapse under the UI and the upvote system.
If you'd like to porve me wrong, name some of the good books reddit introduced you to.
for honesty's sake, here are the writers and books /lit/ made me aware of:
>Borges
>Invisible Cities
>Mishima
>Gene Wolfe
>Sarah Kane
>Fleur Jaeggy (who is obscure amd great)
>The Vorrh
>Lanark: a life in 4 novels
>The Flashman Papers
>The Screwtape Letters
>Perfume
>Stoner
>Confederacy of Dunces
>Ian Banks
>Bataille
>Maldoror
>Locus Solus
>A King Alone
>Oulipo
>Junger
>Blood Meridian
>Knut Hamsun
>Gaddis
>Gass
>The Dictionary of the Khazars
>Hard Rain Falling
and a whole bunch of others that are better known like Middlemarch

>>21615027
Delusional. Also, most of those books are mentioned everywhere since they are already famous.

>>21615027
If you needed /lit/ to inform you about and make you read some of the most critically acclaimed writers of the latter half of the 20th century, you were never going to make it either way.

>>21614850
/pol/ topics should go on /pol/, like discussion of current events. But niggerposting should be everywhere, I would like to hear the word nigger on the lips of every last man, woman, and baby in all of God's sweet creation.

>>21615362
The issue is where it is more important for many anons that they can say nigger than discussing any content. At this point books are often used as a signal to discuss some off topic /pol/ shit. I have no problem with the word nigger. What I have a problem with is the anons who think that is the best selling point on this site

>>21615027
These are all very mainstream in the literary community

>>21615400
Anon just go back to r*ddit lmao no one cares about your trigger words

>>21615413
You must have not understood, nigger

>>21615418
I understand all there is to understand: you complain like a bitch and you should go back

>>21615400
I would argue that a high niggersaying rate is such a powerful anti-normie energy field that its effects outweigh the disadvantageous side effect of niggersayingloving people occasionally lapsing into MERE niggersaying. But I do agree with you wholeheartedly that shitty offtopic and culture war posting is bad.

I don't know if it's /pol/ specifically though, the whole site is pretty much /pol/ at this point. Even the leftists or liberals who remain on 4chan, and there are plenty, are at least anti-"liberal" and and anti-"leftism" as these are understood by normies (tranny cult, worshiping degeneracy and immigration for their own sake, running interference for misbehaving minorities). Mostly because contemporary discourse has divided along these lines. If you go to any other website or social space you are pretty likely to find shrill, retarded normies whining about Blumpf or saying 1990s libshit talking points, and thinking they're the rebels from the Disney Presents: Star Wars Rebels (You Are the Rebel!) Experience©. Being anything short of that retarded now almost makes you 4chan or 4chan-adjacent by default, unless you're just a very quiet person and avoid popular culture and media altogether (God bless).

Back in 2015 or whatever it wasn't that uncommon to have highly opinionated leftists who were genuinely torn between the tumblr and 4chan mentality, but anybody left here in 2023 is likely to be effectively alt right and highly niggersayingtolerant. In short I just don't think pinning offtopic shitposting on /pol/ is going to be effective, it's too dated. Instead you should pin it on zoomers who spend most of their day on twitter and whose lives revolve around what Ben Shapiro said in his "debate" with JK Rowling about whether Guy Fieri deserves to be "cancelled" for saying nigger when I said to him "say nigger or you're a fag, Guy Fieri" and he got scared of being seen as a fag.

>>21615420
Can you fools say anything else? Talk about hive mind

>>21613636
Oh no people will disagree with you

>>21615446
Why say anything else when this is the correct response? Fuck off cunt.

>>21615420

>>21615477
>i'm a proud redditor!! (she/her)
Not the greatest comeback tranny

>>21615443
Yeah I agree with pretty much everything you said. At this point I wouldn’t mind normies as long as like literary books. I’m probably considered a normie by 4chan standards but I’ve been here along time, just because it used to be a good board for something I really enjoyed. All I know is that I’m sick of the culture war and it has made me hate radicals and ideologues of both sides. The internet is no longer a place for nuance or people who stay in between the polar opposites. Unfortunately, since this site seems like the only place for far right extremists, I don’t see this changing anytime soon. What makes me shake my head is that they migrate to other boards. I would have no animosity towards the /pol/ mindset if they stayed in their own board but they didn’t and /lit/ is unusable for anyone who doesn’t share their beliefs. I’ve tried and wanted to move to trueliterature but I’m a much bigger fan of the image board style.

>>21615484
Anons who are vehemently anti-Reddit almost always have come from there or are culture descendants of the great migration of ‘16. Imagine letting Reddit take up so much headspace. Sounds like sour grapes since your kind was disowned

>>21615467
>Why say anything else when this is the correct response?
Because you aren’t original or witty

>>21615505
YWNBAW

>>21613636
Would you expect anything differently from people who are strongly anti censorship but endorse book burning, if it’s the other sides books?

>>21615486
I've seen people saying that the existence of 4chan is a good thing, since it keeps pol-subhumans and the like contained... they can't read, they are less than ancient humans, they aren't capable of understanding memes completenly, nor paragraphs of text. So people can talk like normal human beings without caring too much that subhuman garbage will get to their lairs in the short place. Then, when human right-wingers get their friends to those place, the sites are shutdown and created in other places, as it always have been afaik (since 98).

>>21615443
>I would argue that a high niggersaying rate is such a powerful anti-normie energy field that its effects outweigh the disadvantageous side effect of niggersayingloving people occasionally lapsing into MERE niggersaying. But I do agree with you wholeheartedly that shitty offtopic and culture war posting is bad.
>I don't know if it's /pol/ specifically though, the whole site is pretty much /pol/ at this point. Even the leftists or liberals who remain on 4chan, and there are plenty, are at least anti-"liberal" and and anti-"leftism" as these are understood by normies (tranny cult, worshiping degeneracy and immigration for their own sake, running interference for misbehaving minorities). Mostly because contemporary discourse has divided along these lines. If you go to any other website or social space you are pretty likely to find shrill, retarded normies whining about Blumpf or saying 1990s libshit talking points, and thinking they're the rebels from the Disney Presents: Star Wars Rebels (You Are the Rebel!) Experience©. Being anything short of that retarded now almost makes you 4chan or 4chan-adjacent by default, unless you're just a very quiet person and avoid popular culture and media altogether (God bless).
Good pasta material. Last paragraph ruins it though because no one on /lit/ cares about Ben Shapiro in 2023 and blaming zoomers is overplayed too.

>>21615505
Try browsing Reddit and tell me the tone of almost every single comment isnt severely irritating.

>>21615517
>look guys!!! I said it again!!! Aren’t I heckin’ based and redpilled?!?!

>>21615520
Holy crap you've been nonstop seething about this for WEEKS lol

Heres your books we want to burn bro

>>21615512
>>21615531
Cope and dilate tranny

>>21615526
I just went on r/truelit. Looks fine to me. What in particular offends you there?

>>21615533
Are you the anon who only posts about circumcision? Yeah, you’re not worth paying attention too. Just another freak on the subway

>>21615539
Then why don't you stay there tranny?

>>21615539
I opened the first thread I saw there and I closed the tab. Please stay there, 4chan will never be r*ddit, you will never fit in.

>>21615539
I dunno i dont care enough to check.
>>21615544
*sips* thats me
>youre a freak for hating child mutilation and baby penis blood sucking and John Moneys evil experimentations
Actually, you're a freak for not hating them

>>21615559
KEK
>search results on reddit for the term "folks"
>computer crashes because results equal 100 to the power of infinity

>>21615486
I hope you don't leave, we need more people to be the voice of reason and maintain the old standards by reminding people of the past. But I think /lit/ has always had pretty bad problems, it ebbs and flows like anything else. The original /lit/ was fucking terrible compared to today, it was all tripfags. Also I think the worst of the >2016 newfag wave has been absorbed. It honestly amazes me how 4chan can routinely absorb massive influxes of newfags and maintain a reasonable level of funny and interesting posts, it never really dilutes and becomes fully reddit except for short periods when the horde of newfags is unassimilated. A lot of 2017 kekistani faggots are probably really funny posters by now.

>>21615523
I barely know anything about Ben Shapiro so I don't know who cares about him or doesn't, I only know he was being spammed her recently in connection with some feud he was having with some other Youtube grifter.

You are right that millennials do it plenty too, but it's 50/50, whereas for the upcoming generation, all they've ever known is gossiping about which e-celeb said what to which other e-celeb recently. Phones also ruin minds, and people who at least were raised on proper desktop computers usually have residual normal instincts that phoneposters don't have.

>>21615609
The newfags become funny posters themselves. 4chan is the best website to ever exist.

>>21611847
>Why is /lit/ so worthless?
Because 4chin has been dead for half a decade, and it mantains its own momentum with the kind of population that constitute its entropic state: US npc, latino subhumans, and US childs in the process of npciation.

It seems a bunch of "women" replied to my post without answering my simple question: what were some of these amazing books reddit recommended to you?

>>21615412
Fleur Jaeggy is not mainstream
Neither is Oulipo or Locus Solus or Maldoror or Lanark or A King Alone or Gass or the Dictionary of the Khazars or the Vorrh or even Gaddis, really. Hell, Flashman isn't exactly a household name either.

>>21615153
Not on reddit, or not frequently enough on reddit to matter.

>>21615354
I read more than you, and reddit still doesn't talk about most of these books, which is the point of this discussion. Critical acclaim means nothing especially on Reddit where Brandon Sanderson and Ready Player One are the par for quality. It also means nothing because critics have no relevance on social media sites, which is what we're discussing right now, you idiot.

>>21616356
Imagine thinking books published by NYRB or New Directions aren’t known in the literary world. My ex had to read Jaeggy in school. These aren’t some obscure writers that only /lit/ knows about. You need to venture out more

>>21616356
delusional, again.

>>21616356
Search any of those writers and Reddit on google. You’ll get results. Hate to burst your bubble but there are only so many online literature sites so there are many crossposters. As an aside, did you get the A King Alone recommendation from a “list your favorite books and get a recommendation” thread, or a thread a couple months ago? I’ve tried to give it attention here and there but I’ve never seen anyone else mention it.