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Atlas Shrugged

>>21582477
The Abolition of Britain by Peter Hitchens

>>21582477
The Theology of Marxism:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gaU6mP0phE0

Obviously Marx and Engels, maybe before that familiarize yourself with German Idealism leading up to Hegel.
Get The Marx-Engels Reader.

Introduction to 3 volumes of the capital by Micheal Hienrich
Only follow NML scholars
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Neue_Marx-Lekt%C3%BCre

>where are the marxists, mr peterson?
here they are, mr zizek

>>21582518
Socialism predates marx retarded nigger

Marx
Debord
Althusser
Gramsci
Pannekoek
Guattari
Negri
Bordiga

>>21582515
>Only follow NML scholars
sounds like a cult

>>21582477
To fully understand Marxism, you need to be illiterate and stupid.

>>21582588
i can't unsee marxism being like crypto: a midwit trap that started as a nice pipe dream but always ends up being awful in real life, yet never ceases to attract a fresh crop of naive dupes.

Honestly, you should just read the Communist Manifesto, The German Ideology, and then Critique of the Gotha Programme. If you are still not bored, try some select chapters from Capital.

>>21582477
Althusser's Reading Capital

>>21582477

>>21582610
To get Marx maybe.
To get communism you read Bakunin On Anarchy and Kropotkin The Conquest of Bread

>>21582519
they don't know that

>>21582515
This along with the partial Heinrich biography is probably the best introduction to Marx.
>>21582545
It's exactly the opposite, the strength of NML is that it rejects historical currents of Marxism and never hesitates to point out the incomplete nature of and glaring issues within Marx' oeuvre.

>>21582477
Communist Manifesto
German Ideology
Manuscripts of 1848
Some of Marx's historical analysis, like 18th Brumaire
Capital

>>21582477
Go for primary texts. Read from him what other anons already suggested. Whatever you read never go for secondaries, especially from right wing authors. They are really dumb when it comes to anything but especially dumb when it comes to Marx.

>>21583668
>Whatever you read never go for secondaries
Bad advice, the only caveat is that it shouldn't be from before MEGA2 and preferably by someone German.

The Talmud and then anything else written by Jewish (((sociologists))) or whatever else they call themselves. They're all the same. Judith Butler, etc.

>>21582477
all the popular titles from Marx and Engels
and if you want to misunderstand Marxism instead, you can read all the secondary literature from academic Marxol*gists instead

>>21583209
Useful for a Cold War understanding of Marxism. Useless for pre-1917 or today.

>>21582477
>What books should I read to understand Marxism?
*) To understand Marxism as a social practice you need to read praxic critiques of Marxism from the "left" by workers.
*) To understand Marxism as a bourgeois ideology you need to read a lot of Engels, Marx, and their followers, and then review works like Lezsek Kołakowski's Main Currents of Marxism 3 volumes. And Kołakowski ceases around 1950.
*) To start in your union: Engels _Socialism Utopian and Scientific_; Engels _Condition of the Factory worker in England_; Marx _Contribution to a critique of political Economy_ then start opposing wage labour where you work in order to live.

>>21582477
Start with Main Currents of Marxism, by far the most important philosophical work on Marxism. After that you could read Lukacs "History and Class Consciousness" as his Marxism, despite major problems, is the most true to Marx and most viable (aside from the various revisionist strands that today are just social demoracy).

>>21583209
The first volume of this is essential for understanding Marx's presuppositions. I recommend reading it alongside Tucker's Philosophy and Myth in Karl Marx. He's not nearly as complicated as people make him out to be, you just have to have a few points of reference. Read some things like these first:
>Engels _Socialism Utopian and Scientific_; Engels _Condition of the Factory worker in England_;
plus Marx' "Wage Labor and Capital," and maybe even Anti-Duhring since it was where a lot of ordinary people got their sense of Marxism as a whole during the First International.

>>21584973
>>21584954
>And Kołakowski ceases around 1950.
Not true, and betrays you haven't read the text. Kołakowski covers Adnorno, Marcuse, the Frankfurt School generally, and, in brief, Maoism.

Chapter XIII of Anti-Dühring

>>21585004
I'm the first poster, not the other one you replied to. As I said before, none of that covers pre-1917 or today. It's a Cold War view of "Marxism".

>>21582519
Correct. there are still Socialists who are against Marxian Socialism but they're a minority

>>21585026
Dühring is actually not bad desu

On the Jews and Their lies - Martin Luther

>>21585037
It covers pre-1917, second international, alternate Russian and German views, etc. very well to the point of ephemera, and is highly relevant to understand today's Marxism which is largely dervied from strands of Lukacs interpretation of Marx, Gramsci, and Marcuse, all of whom are covered in depth.

>>21585037
There's nothing particularly Cold War about Kolakowski, he just represents Western Marxists who read Marx historically to figure out the genealogy of his thinking, because they didn't care about acting as a fifth column for the (just as retarded as the West) USSR and its pseudo-Marxist scientistic religion of "dialectical materialism," like Althusser did.

>>21585004
>Not true, and betrays you haven't read the text. Kołakowski covers Adnorno, Marcuse, the Frankfurt School generally, and, in brief, Maoism.
At a short derisive and insufficient paragraph each.
And fails to cover workerism, 56, young Lukacs, labour-process.
I stand by my summary.

>>21585086
See who you're not talking about when you read old Lesbian Koala? Apart from the working class.

>>21585105
Neither the USSR nor the New Left cared a bit about the actual working class, Kolakowski is a way to recover Marx's actual thinking from their bourgeois simplifications of Marx and recapture the excitement of Marxism and socialism in their heyday. If you're one of the few terminally online leftists capable of deluding themselves into thinking they're just doing "working class activism" by tweeting and chatting on discord then maybe it's better to just read Wage Labor and Capital fifty times and say "shoot your boss bro!," but for people actually interested in understanding and challenging capitalism it's vital to understand Marx as he understood himself, not as a gay tranny in 2020 understands him to be self-evident and not in need of deeper investigation.

The collect works of Marx (PBUH) and Engels (PBUH) all 50 volumes.

The collected works of VI Lenin (PBUH) but ignore his moral fag seething about muh imperialism.

I removed Stalin from the cannon. Good insight but he is too idealistic and he adheres to the perversions started in 1920s where "Marxists" fail to understand the development of fascism as historically determinant. It would be as if Marx was caught up in seething over feudalism and slavery instead of modes of production.

Althusser (PBUH), everything he wrote.
>>21585086
Seething. Dialectical Materialism is simply seeing reality for what it is. Matter hence social developments shaped by deterministic constants. His criticisms of other Marxists in name only arise from their errors in humanism and idealism which ironically more resemble religion.

>>21585140
Case in point, twitter/discord marxist. This guy hasn't read 1% of what he cites here, he has read literal actual trannies talking about it on social media for 6 years and formed his e-identity around a certain "position" that enables him to enter into polemics with other perceived positions/identities. Somehow the internet managed to create something even more embarrassing than the upper class academic Marxist.

>>21585125
Kolakowski is indeed quite good, and one of the best critical Marxists of his time.

However, his work has been supplanted by Heinrich, who not only has the benefit of writing in the 2020s, but also far greater access to the writings of Marx and Engels.

>>21585125
>Kolakowski is a way to recover Marx's actual thinking from their bourgeois simplifications of Marx and recapture the excitement of Marxism and socialism in their heyday.
Up to 1950. Then he becomes limited and you need to sublate the Koala. Particularly about Eastern Marxism (socialist humanism etc.) and factory Marxism. Lazy Koala was always bad about Marxism from the class—he was a historian of ideas and trained as a bourgeois Marxist—so it isn't an offensive statement on my part. It would be like saying I wouldn't trust George Lukacs with my keys, or a six movie series.

>Neither the USSR nor the New Left cared a bit about the actual working class,
And the problem with Lesbian Koalas are that he fixates on an intellectual history that is largely devoid of reader reception. I've had a tankie mate argue cogently on the need for Anti-Duhring: working class demand. However in the contemporary situation we neither set up Working Men's Reading Societies (payment required), nor Workers Universities. You come to /lit/ and get a lecture off one of the five PhDs without jobs in their field if you're lucky.

>If you're one of the few terminally online leftists capable of deluding themselves into thinking they're just doing "working class activism" by tweeting and chatting on discord
I'm here to masturbate to Gachimuchi on my day off. I've been "here" since there was no there there.

>but for people actually interested in understanding and challenging capitalism it's vital to understand Marx as he understood himself
You're 170 years out of date and 3 changes in labour process / composition of capital out of date. Marx divorced from collective devalorisation is…you may as well read Hegel. Its like reading Capital as an autopsy instead of an assembly manual or a target list.

>>21585147
Humanism is the direct cause for the tolerance of trannies.

>>21582477
The international jew the word's foremost problem - Henry ford

>>21585073
Alright Hitler guy

>>21582534
why no lenin or engels lmao

>>21582477
One of the most important texts to understand Marx's though is probably the Theses on Feuerbach.

I read Arturo Labriola's book on Marx which gives a very insightful dissection of Marxism, but I think it's pretty hard to find, there's no English translation also.

>>21585140
>Dialectical Materialism is simply seeing reality for what it is
Unfortunately you're brain dead

Nietzsche said socialism is the rule by the meanest and dumbest. He has never been incorrect.

>>21585218
>Heinrich
Whomst?

>>21582515
>>21586516
>>21585218
This guy? I found this book very weak. I wouldn't recommend it over Kolakowski, it's tidbits of Marx's least viable economic parts, and Heinrich admitting Marx got immiersation and other things wrong. I don't think 19th century economic theory is Marx's strong point in contemporary life, that properly belongs to the history of economic ideas, rather the materialist conception of liberation within the adapted Hegelian framework is.

>>21585218
Which work of Heinreich are you talking about? The Introduction to Capital in English translation covers some tidbits of economic theory in Das Kapital. Kolakowski covers the entire history of Western philosophy, and the philosophucal place of every important Marxist current within it up until the 1970s, inclusive of the dry economic parts. They're very different works in scope.

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>>21586526
It's sprinkled across his works, a substantial amount of them is not just explanations of the content in Marx, but a critique of Marxism(s). Keep in mind that what's available in English is incomplete.

>>21582477
Communism with the Mask Off By Gobbels
The Protocol Learned Elders of Zion
The Socialist Tradition: Moses to Lenin

>>21582477
The Fundamentals for a Marxist Orientation
https://www.marxists.org/archive/bordiga/works/1946/orientation.htm
The Fundamentals of Revolutionary Communism
https://www.marxists.org/archive/bordiga/works/1957/fundamentals.htm

>>21586563
Fair enough. My distaste here is more the content of Marx than for Heinrich, the book in English is a good introduction to parts of Marx's economic theory. Obviously a 220 page introduction to economic theory can't compare to a 1300 page philosophical history, but it has its place.

>>21586628
based

>>21582477
The German Ideology
Anti-Duhring
Critique of the Gotha Programme

>>21582477
Conforth's Materialism and the Dialectical Method. A beautiful introduction.

His critique of Stirner covers everything

>>21582477
Apparently you should read it as gnosticism and Hermetecism

>>21587949
Marx and Engels directly oppose religiosity and hermeneutics, especially since they directly went against the Young Hegelians who were talking of man as abstraction, or just throwing phrases around like mad idiots who spoke of nothing in particular.

>>21587972
this is garbage even for academic standards

>>21587959
That lindsay fag says they're gnostic

>>21588131
Just read it on its own terms. Using certain ways of “reading” to come to conclusion beyond what’s really objectively in the text has become a fad of postmodern weirdos, who try to construct conspiracies of oppression and lies from what was generally accepted to be true.

>>21586526
How to read Marx is legit his best book check out that one

>>21588131
le epic schizo rightists call everything they dislike gnostic, when in reality they have elevated mystification to the level of a given reality and any critique of it is seen as trying to overthrow the heavens.

>>21587949
"For I am the first and the last.
I am the honored one and the scorned one.
I am the whore and the holy one.
I am the wife and the virgin.
I am <the mother> and the daughter.
I am the members of my mother.
I am the barren one
and many are her sons.
I am she whose wedding is great,
and I have not taken a husband."
-Karl "Demiurge Assassin" Marx

>>21585073
cringe!