/lit/ - Literature

I still haven't read Dreadgod...

BAKKER. IS. KING.

you will not read female authors

You will read female authors and you will like them

Read The Wandering Inn, Read Mother of Learning, Read I Shall Seal the Heavens.

Also read The Prince of Nothing, Neuromancer, Cradle, A Song of Ice and Fire, Hyperion, Between Two Fires, The Poppy War.

there's something both charming and a bit off about the prose here, I can't tell why

>>21565731
This is a solid list of books I know not to read. Thank you for always reminding me of these landmines.

I'm afraid of dying having only read lowbrow fantasy

>>21565757
it's all lowbrow

>>21565757
Start reading the good stuff then.

>>21565698
No.
https://i.4cdn.org/wsg/1674191139874813.webm

>>21565528
>that pic
I'm curious about Napoleonic fantasy now. I'll download Susanna Clarke's Jonathan Strange & Mr Norrell

>>21565881
I read the first Sharpe novel because of how much /tv/ memes the series. I didn't think it was very good.

>>21565908
Fair enough. I didn't think it would be good. I'm a bit of an autist with the Napoleonic era (to the point of playing tabletop wargames, learning about the uniforms and standards, or writing a novel about the era). None of Sharpe seemed accurate.

>>21565911
I'd really like flintlock fantasy to thing but Powder Mage was mid and Shadow Campaigns' author is incapable of going a chapter in any book without lesbians.

>>21565881
Read The Autumn Republic
>trigger warning: armies in this world include women
>double trigger warning: some women are major characters
>triple trigger warning: drama between some characters is a major plot point

>>21565920
be a thing

>>21565923
Sounds cool from Wiki. Thanks.
>Knacked are the least powerful, with few or no active magical powers; instead, they have a variety of uncanny abilities;
>Powder Mages are wizards with the ability to metabolize gunpowder and use it as fuel for various magical powers, including telekinesis; they can also manipulate gunpowder, such as causing it to explode spontaneously;
>Privileged are powerful sorcerers; being exceedingly rare, they are almost exclusively gathered into "Royal Cabals" in direct service to the Nine Kingdoms' various monarchs.
>>21565920
Write one you'd like to read.

>>21565928
I'm still working on my dying earth italian renaissance naruto from the NaNoWriMo 21 and 22...

>>21565935
Nice. How many words? I've got a novel I'm working on but I have to transcribe it which is a pain.

>>21565938
not enough

>>21565911
Early Sharpe is bad, gets better with Trafalgar (book #4) you can skip the other three

Does anyone have that Dune chart?

>>21565954
Is there a better land-based Napoleonic series?

Here's something different for a change
>the Painted Man by Peter V Brett
Setting: standard European middle ages fantasy world. Demons come out of the earth at night and eat people. You have to retreat behind wards that repel them, painted on any smooth surface available. If they find a way past the wards (maybe if you didn't draw them right) you become dinner.
MC: a young man from a village in buttfuck nowhere. He is frustrated by humanity's impotence before the demons. He witnesses a horrific attack and leaves the village, looking for a way to change the balance.
Story: the Hero's journey. He makes strong friends and powerful enemies. He becomes someone (or something) very different from that little boy playing in the fields. Will he ever return home, or is he destined to a restless, wandering life? Maybe read the book and find out idk

I will never read chinkshit
I will never read webshit
I will never read womanshit
I will never read litrpgshit

>>21566225
Didn't ask.

>>21566225
BASADO

>>21565731
>Read The Wandering Inn
I did, didn't like it
>Read Mother of Learning
I did, I enjoyed it
>Read I Shall Seal the Heavens
I did, I enjoyed it

>>21566335
what you didint liket it about TWI and what do you think about ISSTH end? Author went full bananas with that billions of years time skip imo still enjoyed it tho

>Oh boy. Let me tell you about Superior fire demons. These bitches are crazy. Worse than the minor demons. I know, I know. That sounds chauvinistic and rude. You can’t get away with saying shit like that anymore. Here’s the thing. These bitches are godsdamned crazy. Full stop. You look that shit up in Wikipedia, and it’ll be the first line. It’ll say “These bitches are three pugs short of a grumble.” It’s not an opinion, but an absolute fact.
>We have a whole matriarchal hierarchy of demons who exist and fight and vie for control of the fifteenth level, and these Superior Demon nutjobs are always causing the most chaos, which is saying a lot.
>You got the lesser demons, who are generally normal, though I wouldn’t break up with one over text or call her fat or anything like that. Then you got the more powerful minor demons. Those bitches are something else, but they’re nothing compared to Superior fire demons. These ladies are so batshit, the demon lords and queens require all of them to be “chaperoned” by hellspawn familiars everywhere they go, whose job it is to protect them from each other and themselves. It’s Sheol’s version of a Xanax. Or maybe a restraining order.
fucking lol
WOMEN AMIRITE

>“Ha!” Donut said triumphantly. “That’s what you get!” She looked up at the ceiling. “Now that his nipples are full, there are other places he’s not pierced yet.”
>“Yeah,” I said. “Wait until I receive a legendary spay-your-cat-at-home kit.”
>“That’s not funny, Carl. Don’t even make jokes like that.”
hehe
DCC 6 gonna be good.

>>21566078
More like read the book and see how it devolves into cuckholdry nonsense, unfortunately. The entire series should have been the MC going around fucking demons and retarded folk like the not!Muslims up. Or just one big book of that.
Did the full series finally end at all?

>>21566478
>cuckoldry nonsense
he gets like three wives at once by the end of the series
Also it's over he channels all his power into killing the broodmtoher of all demons, turns into a spirit and fades away forever

>>21566473
So far it's awesome. Maybe not as good as 5 but we haven't seen the final act yet so maybe it will top that too.

>>21566473
What is this nigger tier garbage? No wait, I don't even want to know. Fuck you for posting this.

>>21566526
I thought book 3 has been the best so far but book 4 has had the best scene the admin's death; tell me though, has he decided to keep book 6 on the same floor or are we been skipping floors again?

>>21566469
More like , when did he drop it? Before the dungeon in vol 1? Before vol 5?
Cause there is no way he read a few milion words if he didn't like it.

>>21566541
Not skipping floors. To quote the AI :

"Ha! you thought this was a filler floor? Think again!"

>>21566469
To be quite honest, I don't remember. It's been some years since I read all of them (though I recently went through Mother of Learning since it finally got an ending). I also read ISSTH back when it was first getting translated
I somewhat remember not liking the main character in TWI, as well as how the story was progressing. Dropped it in the first 30 chapters
The author going full bananas was fun, a perfect way to end the story. The only thing I didn't like was how Meng Hao ended up with that non-character Xu Qing instead of Chu Yuyan

Overall, ISSTH is still my favourite CN webnovel, right next to Lampoonman's Adventures (also known as Lord of the Mysteries). I'm also currently on chapter 130 of Outside of Time and rather enjoying it

>>21566554
i think he gets both xu qing and chu yuyan at the end but author left it open to interpretation

i started reading lord of the mysteries yesterday and im having fun

Can we post music recomendations to listen while reading scff?
Or are the resident autists gonna freak out?

About to finish the Drizzt saga from Robert A. Salvatore, and now considering starting with the Half-Orcs saga.
Is there something I should know about this serie before getting into it?

>>21566575
i only listen to instrumental while reading, max richter, hans zimmer etc i get distracted if i listen to people singing

>Or are the resident autists gonna freak out?
They will

>>21566575
I only put on music when reading pulp fiction, I never do when reading anything of literary value. Have some sci-fi
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0tDpoLXD3Js
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RhTXyUERugQ

And fantasy
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6D4mOnSifzI&list=PLdR7m7PFLzQ644Vx63V9pWj8o8Yi70yBq

>>21566596
Incoherent voices/chanting are fine, but I also get distracted if the voices are legible

>>21566596
instrumental for sure.

For fantasy I lean more into post and prog rock/metal

For sci-fi , synthwave (don't judge!) and dream-trance

first for Dying Earth genre

>>21566618
Synthwave for action-packed sci-fi is great

I loved the Acts of Caine by Matthew Woodring Stover. For such a basic sci-fantasy premise, you can see the fierce competence of an author who very much embraces Hemingway tenets to create a fast-paced narrative with a visceral writing style.

Anyone got any recs like that? I don't mind if the plot is simple per se, so long as the writer behind it is competent. I can't stand "transparent prose" like Sanderhack. I need some soul in the text.

>>21566635
I would suggest Dungeon Crawler Carl but if you don't like something like this >>21566473 then the early dying earth books are preaty cool.

>>21566656
I've tried to read Dungeon Crawler Carl and it reads like it was written by a fucking AI. I've read the Dying Earth books and I wouldn't consider them particularly snappy; they're "fun," but Vance has a way of writing his characters that makes it read as though they have no real emotion of their own.

>>21566667
I disagree on both so I don't knwo to tell you. Maybe WH40K fanfiction or stick to cowboy western classics

>>21566635
This reads like a newspaper review and offers no substance nor insight into what the actual book is about. I have no idea what to suggest to you.

>>21566689
It used to be decently popular on /sffg/ so I figured someone who'd read it might have a recommendation.

>>21566699
Everyone here was replaced by reddit zoomers

>>21566591
You're about to finish the 40+ books of the Drizzt saga? Doubtful. They have nothing at all to do with each other. So, no, there's nothing you need to know.

>>21566864
I wonder how Salvatore actually felt about writing so many Drizzt books beyond the fact they clearly sold. I remember there was a foreword in The Cleric Quintet where he essentially says "I was interested in writing a monk trilogy, but then Drizzt happened".

>>21565923
TRIPLE CAUTION

>>21566864
Yes, anon, I've read nearly all the Drizzt books (Including The Sellsword and The Cleric Quintet), with only Relentless missing out, and the saga afterward
>>21566915
I can notice in the last trilogy how Salvatore hints that is going to be the last saga... but seeing the Way of the Drow, I guess he failed in concluding with the character.

>>21566915
He doesn't own Drizzt. He left after being threatened and did his own books for a while. They were going to replace him. There was already an author to do so with a book cover and title. He eventually came back. Drizzt was a last minute addition on the fly during a phone call. The protagonist for the first published book was Wulfgar. It was meant to stay that way. There's always been a lot of contention and drama since the beginning and still is to this day with TSR and now Wizards of the Coast. So, 50 years or so. I know a bit. I met Salvatore and had him sign some books a long time ago.

>>21566965
I see. I mostly stopped with Forgotten Realms with the changes wrought from 4th edition/Spellplague. I bought most of the books before that in hardcover as they released at the time. His original works as well.

>>21565745
Written by a woman who doesn't know how to write male characters

>>21567006
What's her hang-up?

>>21565745
I have a cousin (female) who swears by these books. Gotta get around to finally reading them

>>21566225
shame these are the only books that get released these days

>>21567032
she's a woman

What are some of the best sci-fi horror novels? I just read Blood Music by Greg Bear and Solaris by Stanislaw Lem, and I'm looking for more.

'ate time travel
'ate multiverse
'ate MacGuffin drives
luv me sublight travel
luv rare earth hypothesis
luv constancy

simple as

>>21567438
>'ate time travel
>'ate multiverse
>'ate MacGuffin drives
jesus christ you fat fuck. what won't you eat?

any TWI anons here? even ones with patreon?
what did you think about the recent chapters?
a bit iffy on saliss' part still, but i like that there are major movements in the story now. i also like that some jobber earthers have appeared. will be fun probably.

>>21567472
the latest pateron chapter was a mess , needed some more editing.

As for content (I'm not using spoilers , fuck that shit) the System dishing [Relc Punch] was preaty funny. The most important take-away was : why were certain Innworlders able to hear the forbiden word? Because they were leaders?

>>21567273
Blindsight by Peter Watts

Has anyone done work on a Conan chronology after Dale Rippke? I sketched out Conan's travels on a map based on his essay but it ends up with Conan doing ping-pong between west, east, and south.

>>21566519
Sounds like coomer fiction, probably won't be reading it

>>21567438
Hard scifi fags need to be noosed

>>21566596
I quit all music but years ago while reading cradle I was listening to https://youtu.be/U5u9glfqDsc )and few others tracks from this artist) and it felt very epic

>>21567501
>needed some more editing
i agree. but it's good enough considering the output.

Guys I'm halfway through this book and I feel like I'm having a stroke. I read Dune when I was 14 and I understood it fine. I re-read it last October, it still made perfect sense. This book though, every third chapter I just have no idea what the fuck is going on. I'll read multiple pages of dialogue where I have no idea what either character is thinking or trying to do. I admit that nuance tends to evade me when I'm reading books or watching movies, but I've definitely dealt with much tougher material and been a lot less confused than I am with this shit. I'll read a conversation between Paul and Edric where everything they say sounds like it was written by a fucking AI as the narration tells me there's actually some sort of meta-linguistic rhetorical battle happening between them, but I can't fucking tell who's winning or what they're trying to accomplish. I just finished a chapter of Alia and Hayt arguing with each other where they kiss at the end, but nothing about their nonsensical exchange seemed to justify it at all. Do other people feel this way about the book, or am I just braindead?

>>21567591
dune increasingly becomes schizo kino up until god emperor of dune where it becomes a schizo kino masterpiece
just relax and enjoy Frank's writing

>>21567591
it gets, anon, much much worse

>>21567661
Frank's writing is probably the worst part about Dune for me. The first book had such good plot, setting, and characters that it was good in spite of his shitty writing. Now that the story is kind of taking a nosedive, I'm not sure I'll go any further after this book.

>>21567591
Paul has the perfect knowledge of the future and it made him lose free will
Alia has the perfect knowledge of the past and it made her lose her identity

Lots of dialogues make more sense if you approach it with this knowledge.

>>21567506
It really isn't

>>21567591
Your brain is fried from consooming and you are unable to understand any sort of nuanced language, or dialogue more complex than "Chink Dink whipped out his massive jade cock and unleashed a torrent of spermal energy against Chong Dong, the floor shattered, Chong Dong died and his wife six million li away became pregnant with triplets"

I want to read a book about a spider-girl.

>>21567935
I believe you posted the only example

>>21567893
Ironically, Dune is written like a lot of cultivationshit. Most of the conversations go like
>"Hello" said Jessica, using her lvl. 3 prana-bindu-asana-yoga Voice which she learned under the watchful eyes of Reverend Mother of the Order of Bene Gesserit
>Face Dancer understood the subtle phonetic undertones of her greeting spoken in the linguistic phonems of the Old Age, the hidden unutterances indicating 10 years of preparation for this exist moment. No matter, his Genetic Coding from the Treilaxu melange tanks created a perfect vacuum of prescience foreblocking. "and hello to you, Lady Atreides"

>>21567502
Thanks, anon.

>>21567935
is it finished yet?

>>21567893
Sorry, I have no idea what the fuck you're talking about. I don't actually read that much SF or fantasy, so I don't really get whatever box you're trying to put me in. Like I said, I can struggle with nuance, but I think there's a fucking problem when I can at least somewhat understand the broader strokes of Nabokov, Dostoevsky, or fucking Kant, but a simple conversation between Stilgar and Paul is completely impenetrable.

looking for the most generic but 'comfy' fantasy. like elder scrolls oblivion i want to feel the green grass

>>21568151
Terry Brooks?

>>21568112
One volume left to be translated.

>>21565757
im afraid of dying in general

>>21568328
are chinks incapable of writing good fantasy?

>>21568410
one of the best Chinese fantasy is also one of the great classics - Journey to the West

Shogun but it's set in fantasy japan when?

>>21568466
Lo5R does novels. Not sure if they're any good though - I enjoy the setting and TRPG though.

>>21568466
Read Futaro Yamada, unfortunately this is his only novel that has been translated into English, but this work and others have inspired countless Japanese samurai/ninja stuff, from videogames like Nioh, Sekiro, and Samurai Shodown to animes like Ninja Scroll, Basilisk and many other media.

>>21567032
She likes to prey on young virgin males, most middle aged female writers are like that

>>21568612
sounds based?

>>21565745
do you mean "off" in a postive way or a negative way because how I read it the "offness" seemed like an intentional choice to highlight how weird Fitz was

>>21568891
>intentional choice to highlight how weird Fitz was
maybe that's what it was, i was sort of unironically wondering if Fitz had autism which may be the case

>>21567591
Vax claims another one.

Sanderson is the first 21st century author.

I liked it

>>21569023
how is it? what's it about
the cover looks very cool though

>>21569052
Band of mercenaries. Nothing groundbreaking, but it was a welcome interlude to my Malazan reread. The flash forward in the first few pages doesn’t do it any justice, I would just start on chapter 1

>>21568410
unfortunately there is not single race/ethnicity that is capable of writing good fantasy, there has been one or two exceptions (like RI) but the rest of authors from the population of 8 billion people are either unimaginative communists or coomer libtards (or both)

>>21569023
The first book was ok, but I didn't care enough to finish the second. I only made it part way though.

>>21569052
>>/lit/thread/S19481640#p19483853

>>21569023
>man standing with back toward reader looking at some large thing
yawn

>>21569070
By any chance do you know if there’s a map to this series? Yes I am a faggot

>>21569077
If there weren't any in the books then I'm not aware of any. Maybe someone made a fan created version, but I wouldn't know. There's nothing wrong with appreciating a fine map.

Any good low stakes/slice of life fantasy books?

>>21569216
Depends on what you mean by that. Here's something I recently read.
>>/lit/thread/S21459013#p21459872

Here's something else I recently read that would be closer:
https://www.penguinrandomhouse.com/series/SQE/the-knight-blooms-behind-castle-walls

>>21569216
Legends & Lattes

Rate my LitRPG please:

Low level boss in an RPG glitches out and gains sentience. He doesn’t understand the nature of his world (he has no point of reference for a video game) but comes to view it as a mindless lark for the enjoyment of the gods. He realizes other people in the world are bound by tightly woven fates (their programming) but finds himself free to follow his own destiny.

The world is a monster hunter fantasy set in a Renaissance era with gunpowder, and a magic system based on the four humours. The gameplay loop is kill monster, harvest materials, craft weapon so that you can kill stronger monster, harvest better material, forge greater weapon.

Protagonist decides to play the game, and beat it, by forging a weapon strong enough to kill the gods.

>>21569281
>Protagonist decides to play the game, and beat it, by forging a weapon strong enough to kill the gods.
So what does the MC being a low level boss have to do with anything? It seems that after he gains sentience he just becomes another player.

>>21569281
I assume that it's a human boss rather than a monster. I also assume that it's irrelevant that all of this seems to just happen rather than there being a corrosponding game being played. Where are the human players? Are there any? I know this doesn't have to make any sense, but even so.

>>21569314
Also I agree with this.

>>21569314
Being an NPC he doesn’t understand the nature of the game, just that he’s being manipulated by forces beyond his control. When he wakes up, he still has the personality he was programmed with, namely that of a petty tyrant from a once great and feared dynasty, now gone to ruin. Free to do what he chooses for the first time in his “life”, he does what comes natural … conquer. But knowing he’ll never truly rule under the yoke of these meddlesome gods, he must kill them or die trying.

>>21569340
The game is under development. It’s pretty glitchy and full of cut content, some of which leads to forbidden lore and magic in the game world. The only human players are game testers. When they start to notice strange occurrences in the game world, it leads to a subplot involving a conspiracy inside the company to develop illegal AI.

>>21569368
I've skimmed through a lot of manga with similar plots, probably based off light novels, but the tester is usually the protagonist. I don't read LitRPG, so I can't what matters most about it. It almost surely isn't the story. I'd assume what really only matters is the loop and the stats. So you can probably do whatever you want with the plot and characters and it won't matter how good or bad they are.

Redpill me on Susanna Clarke.

>>21569441
>redpill me
But she's great, anon?

>>21569440
I considered using the tester as the protagonist. But I liked the idea of a character who comes to life in a world he doesn’t understand. Over time, he learns the rules and laws that underpin his world and then bends them to the point where either reality breaks or he transcends.

Kinda like us.

>>21569441
Piranesi was a very enjoyable read for me. Felt particularly fresh.
Though I have trouble putting together what the book is trying to say, I'm not even entirely sure it tries to say anything at all.

>>21569476
Reminds me of Westworld, also a game where videogames trascend their game world and then fight in the real world.

Anyway, I guess you may as well try.

Anyone read this?
I wanna know if it's worth getting

>>21569495
Don’t watch much TV but I’ll take your word for it. My inspiration was more Lords of Light by Zelazny.

>>21568901
He's just depressed and doesn't know how to express himself.

>>21566554
I'm saying thank you in advance if this turns out good (lord of mysteries) I've been looking for a nice new chinese fic to read for a while

>>21569673
LOTM has pedestrian prose and it might seem like a boring SOL at first but everything connects. Everything.

>>21568757
Female authors are based

>>21567591
Honestly that's how I felt the first time I read Messiah too, but I forced myself to read through until book 4, then when I reread Messiah everything just suddenly made sense and it then became my favorite out of the 4.

Books about mommies?

>>21565745
You'll find out further in the series when she starts to go on about homoeroticism and muh miserytourism.

>>21569539
It's more interesting for Campbell fans than something you HAVE to read. The first few stories are solid-if-nothing-special S&S and the rest are kinda meh.

>>21569950
This but you may have to read Time Enough for Love first (has incest themes tho and is a good book)

>>21569950
Sunrunner Saga by Melanie Rawn, Sioned husband gets raped by an evil princess and gets pregnant with his baby, when she gives birth Sioned goes psycho fire bitch on her and destroys her whole keep and her guard kills the evil princess and she kidnaps the kid and raises him as her own. and that's only on the first book!

>>21569281
Have you read Artificial Jelly?

>>21566575
https://youtu.be/L0MPZgfu93c
https://youtu.be/oQq3Jwz0bDQ
https://youtu.be/l_QEr-2cHxk
https://youtu.be/qy7u5AA21JQ

>>21569441
Avoid all books written by women.

>>21567591
Dune books 2 and 3 are pretty lame. Just keep pushing to get to God Emperor

One gen to rule them all
One gen to find them all
One gen to bring them all
And in the MELANIN bind them

So where do I stop in the Dune series? Chapterhouse or god emperor?

>>21570488
I don't get the seethe about Children its fun as fuck. Leto is a way better sociopath messiah than Paul

>>21570566

>>21565978
Basically:
Read the first one.
Read the second and third if you want to finish Paul's story, but they aren't very good.
Read the fourth because it's good and you might as well if you powered through 2 and 3.
Read 6 and 7 if you like frank's writing, but they aren't as good as 1 and 4 and he never got to finish the story.
Read the rest of the piles of dogshit put out by frank's son if you heckin love dune and sandwormerinos.

>>21570593
uh, I meant 5 and 6, not 6 and 7

>>21570566
>>21570574
checked and yes see the chart. I have personally stopped at God Emperer but do own the final two Frank books - I need to read them. People seem to suggest they are pretty good and people seem to like the Miles Teg character.

>>21570599
checked!

>>21570600
checking myself :^)

>>21566622
That's a particularly mediocre example in the genre. Really didn't like it. Lacks both imagination and style Vance and CAS have. It's similar in plot and structure, but inferior. Won't compare with Wolfe, as he's an entierly different sort of read.

>>21570601
>children of dune
>starring: adults

Why do I get the feeling that Kellhus is just Bakker's faggot ass self-insert?

>>21570646
It's kinda like how you yourself are a "child of Earth"
Yes, I know you're just pretending to be dumb.

the sheer scale of time and space that dune takes place in always makes me feel so small and insignificant when I read it, probably my favorite part desu.

>>21570696
No I mean they're literally children in the novel

>this book's fantasy setting is actually Earth in the far future, probably after an apocalypse

>>21570770
You should try Last And First Men and Star Maker. The only novels I've read that cover billions of years.

>>21570381
God you're a chud. At least the other spammers only make one post a thread.

>>21570857
You just get done reading the Shannara books?

>>21570770
Really? I always thought the opposite, that Dune is kinda small for all its pretentions. We never see much past Arrakis, Arrakis itself has one shitty city. Somehow thousands of colonized worlds across the known space are cool being controlled by a single monarch and a few trading companies that own monololy on everything, somehow they all agree to run their infrastructures with abacus and drugged mathematicians and fight wars with sticks because AI bad. Even Pauls epic holocaust of 60 bil people appears kinda eh, I mean 60 bil is going to be the population of Earth in 50 years I would expect a massive interstellar empire to have trillions.

>>21570857
I don't mind that if the novel spoil it on the back or something. Keep it a mystery.

>>21570601
>mfw Children of Dune OST
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mtcnt_VkvGU
It was probably the best part of a limited budget they had to work with.

Has anyone read Raven's Mark trilogy by Ed McDonald? These days it's easier for me to get into a book if it's written in first person and this was pretty decent.

>>21570381
I LOVE books written by women, even better if they are mature women

>>21569950
my diary

I couldnt make it through three body problem. I stopped after the 20th character in a row was introduced and immediately gave a speech outlining his life story and motivations

Why does Elric not get much attention?

this was literally just capeshit

>>21570967
The population of Earth in 50 years will be 10 billion. Most countries have declining population. There are many projections and have been for decades. Why completely make up fantastical numbers?

>search for progress on the ringworld movie or tv show
>turns out it's actually happening
>the writers just have one problem
>teela being bred for luck is unrealistic
>her character (and race) will need a rework
>also the literal whore that louis found needs a rework as well
i'm getting so fucking tired of hollywood writers
an impossible large ring is okay, but not this

>>21571329
Why do you think social contexts are equivalent to worldbuilding? They are entirely different matters

>>21570694
I'm sure a guy who cries about heckin Trump on his blog self-inserts as a morals-free mentat monster who who perfectly fine throwing 90% of the population in the furnace of eternal war

>>21571338
isn't her luck part of the worldbuilding?
the puppeteers manipulated humans to breed for luck and it's that luck which brought her to the ring

>>21565528
It’s easily top 3 in the iteration 110 series. I would also check out reverend insanity if you like the power system on cradle

>RIfag thought Dreadgod was good
explains much

>>21571468
It’s better than most of the isekai, litrpg, cultivation shoveshit.

>>21565496
Did You Read The News? - Jack Merwin (2021)

Did You Read The News? is an ambitious self-published book that tries to accomplish a lot in relatively few pages, but unfortunately the author isn't quite able to follow through, which is especially evident near the end where both the pacing and melodrama really ramp up. The speed and unevenness of the latter parts of the book are like a runaway train on a coastal mountain that went off the tracks and is now soaring through the air until it makes quite the splash. It would've been better for me instead if it had proceeded at a leisurely pace and took in the scenery. Much of the early parts are about the character's daily life as everything changes around him for the worse, or at least for the different, and he doesn't quite understand why at first.

This is science fiction, though that's mostly to establish the setting. I don't know that I'd quite call it social science fiction, but it's close. Romance plays a significant role, but this isn't a romance book. Possibly the closest description would be that it's a book about coming of age in a collapsing dystopia filled with ethnic conflict and how to survive that regardless of the costs. Horrific and ugly decisions are made out of malice, ignorance, or simply wanting to survive. This isn't misery porn though because it doesn't delight in its tragedies, but rather presents them as The Way Things Are Now.

Almost the entire book takes place in a single city on an outer world whose colonization was supported by all three members of the Triumvirate, the ultimate authorities of humankind. They reminded me of the Ekumen in Ursula K. LeGuin's Hainish Cycle if they were instead short-sighted, ineffective, and created various problems for themselves without realizing, or perhaps not caring. The usual sort of world powers stuff.

The story follows a young man throughout the course of his life, which when considering the length of this book has to be by necessity rather condensed. The ambiguous ages and chronology in general are a sticking point for me. At the start he's naïve and thoroughly indoctrinated in ideals not dissimilar from North Korea's Juche or other variants of Marxism-Leninism. Those ideals entirely suffuse their society which provides for a somewhat different perspective than usual. The narrative is presented in first person present which ought to allow for more understanding of the protagonist, but his inner thoughts and commentary don't add much. His actions are far greater than anything else and story may suffer for the closeness of its perspective.

This was better than I expected from an author's self-published debut, considering how unknown it is. If it had maintained its highest level of quality I could recommend it with some reservations, but as it is, I can't. I don't regret reading it though and I'm open to giving the author another chance, which is more than I can say for a lot of other authors.

Rating: 2.5/5

>>21571494
Since there isn't anything else I've read that I'd be posting here for this thread, I thought I'd post something I wrote a few months ago and didn't post at the time. It seemed like a good time to have it be here as well. I had to cut out a bit for it to stay within a single post, but it's essentially the same. There aren't any full length write-ups of novels that I haven't posted. I don't think so anyway, but there's a considerable numbers of partials that I probably won't ever be posting here. The next book I post will also be a different sort of situation that I did on a whim and it's to be seen how that goes.

Disclosure: The author messaged me asking for a review and gifted me a digital copy of the book for me to do so. I wasn't compensated in any other way. I accepted doing so mostly on a whim, but also because he's a /sffg/ member. More importantly though he was courteous and genial. This write-up was not seen by the author before its posting, though I did provide him my thoughts and criticisms before writing this. His feedback didn't affect what I've written

>>21571506
I'd really prefer if you'd stop posting

>>21565920
I also started reading The Thousand Names and got really disinterested when I found out the main character was le strong lesbian badass. Bummer cause the flintlock fantasy setting sounded awesome but I'm not gonna endure reddit tier pandering

>>21571519
Your preference has been noted.

>>21566478
I know you didn't mean to insinuate this but it has inspired me to write a novel with a conan-esque character that literally fucks demons and his enemies and then just rides away at the end. It's not gonna be erotica, just the way things were in the west until the 1900s. Thank you.

>>21571525
>le strong lesbian badass
Funnily enough it isn't really a thing in the first book. She gets bodied by men in physical confrontations. It's only in later books that she becomes a super lesbian.

I thought the Shadow Campaigns was on average a good read despite the lesbianism and I don't remember anything else that could be labeled as reddit pandering but the second book is such a disappointment after the first. The first is about an colonial/french foreign legion type army of jackasses fighting their way through the desert against savage zealots. The second is a bad take on a spy novel. The third gets back to the napoleonic warfare but never as fun as the first. The magic of the setting doesn't ever really play a consistently major role like it does in Powder Mage and it seems like wasted potential over all. So all in all you probably dodged a bullet (or musket ball)

>>21571574
Well maybe I will read the first book once I get through the rest of my list since I already have it. I've just been hyper critical of anything from the last 20 years since it seems to just be intersectional pandering.

>>21570381

>>21571673
How embarrassing.

>>21571739
What is so embarassing?

>>21565496
This Indigenous fantasy book is out of print, but I found it on archive where you can borrow it:
https://archive.org/details/kadaitchasung00wats/

>>21570381
I do too except fantasy since it's a girly subject anyway

>>21571494
terrible title

>>21572077
Yeah, I agree. It's also said in the book at one point as well.

I wanted to get into sf. I read 1/3 of Snow Crash and its unironically boring.

Did you guys enjoy Snow Crash?

>>21572118
What are your tastes? I used to find it hard to read sci fi like Peter F Hamilton or Iain M Banks, until I picked up Vermillion Sands by Ballard.

>>21572135
I really like Houellebecq, Dfw, Pynchon, Dostoevsky, Camus.
Unironically, Snow Crash is my first sci fi book. Just want to read a few classic from this genre.
I also bought Solaris and Neuromancer, but will read them later.

>>21572157
>Houellebecq, Dfw, Pynchon, Dostoevsky, Camus.
They're great authors. Someone who read a lot of literary fiction and even tried to break out into it was Philip K Dick. His writing isn't always ornate, but he is highly competent, and he is able to live out philosophy in characters who aren't perfect, and their conclusions are somewhat just playing with the ideas. My recommendations include Do Androids Dream of Electric Sheep?, VALIS trilogy, as well as Three Stigmata of Palmer Eldritch.
Ballard is also great, in my opinion, although Drowned World is a bit boring. I think you'd also like Lovecraft or Clark Ashton Smith, who aren't strictly horror, but they overlap with sci fi. They were more obsessed with poetry than anything, which comes off in their prose.

>>21572171
Thanks for the recommendation. I will take a look.

>>21566225
you dare junior?!?

>>21572313
He's courting death...

>>21572171
>Philip K Dick
UBIK is a must

>>21572335
For me it's BIFT

>>21572110
>>21571494
>>21571506
>>21571541
your """reviews""" are shit
FUCK OFF

>>21572110
>>21571494
>>21571506
>>21571541
Your reviews are GREAT
Keep it up

>anon's threadly humiliation fetish post

What's more bullshit, Amon, or the fact that Klein won?

>>21569673
Lotm is pretty good

>>21566554
maybe i should get back to ISSTH. i stopped fairly early on when he was still part of some group of fat people with woks. and it just seemed too silly for me. a bit too goofy.

>>21566225
Dragon among men!

>>21569699
>Boring SOL at first
First 3 arcs were pure kino, tho. I honestly enjoyed low sequence progression much more. When bad guys were truly terrifying. The gods lvl fights was a bit too much for me, so I'm glad we gonna have a new mc. Especially from red priest pathway

>>21572537
Honestly neither, it really does make perfect sense somehow in the end.

>>21570566
Stop with Messiah. It's where the series peaks.
>>21570967
Well, the series is called Dune, not Caladan, Gamu, Wallach, Chapterhouse, Salusa Secundus, Ix or Tleilax.

>>21565496
The official Mom Protagonist SFF List.
I apologize for the lengthy (ie autistic) list. I may update it later.
>Caught in Crystal (1987) by Patricia Wrede
>The Interior Life (1990) by Katherine Blake
>Raven's Duology (2004-2005) by Patricia Briggs
>Wolfblade Trilogy (2004-2005) by Jennifer Fallon
>Bridge of D'Arnath (2004-2005) by Carol Berg
>The World Gates Trilogy (2004-2005) By Holly Lisle, She wrote Minerva Wakes and the Arhel trilogy, those two books also have mom mc
>Dragonsbane (1985) by Barbara Hambly
>Paladin of Souls and Vorkosigan saga by Lois McMaster Bujold
>Sunrunner Saga (1988-1993) by Melanie Rawn. Mommy Sioned best yandere girl
>The Empire Trilogy (1987-1992) by Janny Wurts
>Liveship Traders (1998-200) by Robin Hobb
>Birthgrave (1975-1978) by Tanith Lee
>Heart of Bronze (1997-1998) by Matthew Stover
>Karavans Trilogy (2006-2012) by Jennifer Roberson
>Skinwalkers (2014) by Wendy N. Wagner, about an ex-pirate Axe wielding mom!
>Frostfell (2006) by Mark Sehestedt
>Legacy of Steel (1998) by Mary H. Herbert
>The Traitor Spy Trilogy (2010-2012) by Trudi Canavan
>Sevenwaters Trilogy (1999-2001) by Juliet Marillier
>Blood songs (1987, third book in the Frost trilogy) by Robin Wayne Bailey
>Bloodsong Trilogy (1985-1986) by Asa Drake
>Gypsies (1988) by Robert Charles Wilson
>Child of Time (1991) by Robert Silverberg
>The Wayfarer Redemption (1995-1999) by Sara Douglass, by book three almost every character is pregnant, after book three there's a 20 year time-skip so all the mcs have grown-up children
>The Forgotten Beasts of Eld (1974) by Patricia A. McKillip
>The Keys to Paradise Trilogy (1987-1988) by Robert Vardeman, trio of mcs all of the same importance, veterans of the Trans-War that ravaged the country, one of them is a cat-girl who saves a slave kid and adopts him
>Bitter Angels (2009) by C.L Anderson
>The Great Wheel (1987, book three of the Tredana Trilogy) by Joyce Ballou Gregorian
>Daughter of the Bear King (1987) by Eleanor Arnason
>Night-Threads series by Ru Emerson, portal fantasy about a druggie mom, her sister and her teenage son.
>Frostflower adn Thorn (1980) Phyllis Ann Karr
>Fifth Millenium by S.M. Stirling, Shirley Meier, and Karen Wehrstein
>Spellsong Cycle (1997-2002) by L.E. Modesitt Jr
>The Sword of Lyric by Sharon Hinck, christian portal fantasy about a soccer mom and her son fighting against Not-Satan
>Cradle of Sea and Soill (2020) by Bernie Anes Paz
>Boneshaker (2009) Cherie Priest
>The Gap Cycle by Stephen Donaldson, absolute grimdark kino but like most of Donaldson's work it has a happy ending, the main characters just have to go through hell to get it.
>Dragon Gate by Lindsay Buroker, a six book epic about a Mother-son duo
>Memories of Ice (2001 Book 3 of Malazan Book of the Fallen) by Steven Erikson
>To Sail Beyond the Sunset (1987) by Robert Heinlein
I'm open to any suggestions for SFF books with mom mc
Don't forget to check out Kate Elliott's new book the Keeper's Six.
Bakker is king etc. etc.

Just finished Urth of the New Sun. What a crazy ride. I'm glad I read it since citadel was such a cliffhanger and I liked the sailing through space segment in Urth. Still trying to absorb what the fuck actually happened and at what point after the eidolon plot twist since it also made me wonder at what point the white fountain was generated and by what means exactly.

>>21573019
As best as I can tell without getting into any schizo theories (and I just finished Short Sun for the first time meaning that everything I read online about Wolfe is drowning in them). Spoilered for anyone who might still be reading through the books
>Tzadkiel decides Severian passes the trial, humanity is redeemable and therefore will be granted the New Sun
>puts Severian's star in the sky, which is the white fountain
>however it needs time to completely form and reach Urth's sun so the hierodules place it in the past to give it time
>Severian draws his powers from this, which is why he keeps resurrecting throughout all of the books and in Urth his conscious knowledge of it lets him perform miracles and become the Conciliator
>after he figures out how to travel through time and returns to the house absolute and sees Valeria is when the white fountain connects with the sun and it blazes back to life and floods Urth, making it into Ushas
>in Apu Punchau times the star hasn't been created yet so Severian doesn't have any powers, which is how he legitimately dies and has to be made an eidolon
>Severian's star/the white fountain is created right there in the moment before Apu Punchau is revived by the ceremony at the end of Claw, allowing eidolon Severian to jump into the Corridors of Time and escape before Apu Punchau is resurrected and meets Claw-era Severian and Hildegrin
>travels back to Ushas where he and the other people on the raft (except Eata for some reason) are now believed to be gods
As for how the fountain was created, you can either go with the hierodules are ultra advanced aliens so they used super tech to create it or either that they're angels and did it because it fulfills the will of God.

>>21573019
>>21573146
Wolfe is a hack
faggot

>>21573146
Thanks! That clears some things up.

Anyway, this is my stack of stuff to read next. Anyone have any opinions on which one to start with?

seriously why mix sci fi and fantasy if 100% of every thread is interchangeable medieval fantasy magic shit

>>21573474
what did he mean by this?

>>21573492
He means you must discuss srs SF ONLY or you're not allowed to sit with us.

>>21565731

Assuming you liked all of those, I recommend Reverend Insanity by Gu Zhen Ren.

What does /sffg/ think about this rec list? I've been thinking of going into fantasy.

>>21573216

Blindsight, It's somewhat overrated, but it's popular among SF fans for very good reason. Admittedly I'm not familiar with 40k aside from Eisenhorn and the No Good Men anthology.

Finished farilane
So turin is 100% gonna die in the next book right?

>>21573779
Pearls before swine, anyone who seriously enjoyed something on that list will never be able to comprehend RI.

>>21571329
Read first two books, probably one of the most boring space operas ever written.

>>21573791
>What does /sffg/ think about this rec list? I've been thinking of going into fantasy.
Like basically everything in the OP, it's fucking terrible and hasn't been updated since like 2012.

>>21573779
i was thinking about reading RI but i just started Lord of the mysteries so it will take a while before i read RI
>>21573813
why u so mad

>>21573156
Can I have a link to your discord, anon?

>>21573146
>making it into Ushas
Urth is not Ushas, and Green is not Verthandi. Whorl did not travel in a circle

>starting Deadhouse Gates
Damn wasn't expecting an actual sex slavery arc. Eriksen is a true auteur.

Jo Byden
Vlodymyr Putyn
Valadimir Tselenski
Doneld Trumpp

>>21574808
Bores Jonson

>>21574808
Aedolf Hytler

>>21574366
I don't use discord, wolfefag faggot

>>21574808
>Doneld Trumpp

>>21572864
Sure, but I was just responding to the anon who claimed that Dune felt massive to him and why it felt the opposite to me. One might wonder what was even the point of creating the universe so large and placing the action so far into the future if only one place would be significant anyway? Even though Herbert would tell you roughly a million times the shape of every sandhill on Arrakis and how the two moons frost and silver the edge of Shield Wall and how farty each sietch smells, you will never get a clue on what Ix, or Tleilax or SS or any other world looks like, what are their culture, or what they think about some sand planet where people take drugs. I never read Brian Herbert's books but I think their commericial success among the fans is due to the simple fact that he did what his papa never bothered to - he wrote about places other than Dune and families other than Atreides

>>21567472

>I told you, homeboy
>You can't touch this
>Yeah, that's how we livin', and ya know
>You can't touch this

>>21573861
Sort of agree. The book's appeal is the Big Dumb Object. Everything else is lame.

>>21573813
Unfortunately after reading RI almost every other work of fantasy will be ruined.

>>21575434
I found that the best way to continue is to cross examine every book I read in comparison to RI. It's an excellent way to analyze story structure and characterization.
Not only does it reveal the flaws in other stories and potential fixes for them, every once in a while I uncover some new facet of RI's excellent engineering, like making the power system 100% just a mana bar he avoided ever having to spend any time explaining breakthroughs or coming up with gimmicky bullshit for each tier. Number go up == more magic power, powerful gu use more magic power, simple as. That left him all the space he needed to focus on the actual cultivators and how they live without getting bogged down in minutia.

As an example of how to apply this principle cross-genre, this is equivalent to establishing ship classes in a space opera fleet/interplanetary scifi story. Instead of coming up with a billion different drive types and weapon loadouts and spending entire chapters expositing about how they work, just give everything fusion reactors and energy weapons, and then class ships entirely by energy output. Now you can quickly summarize entire strategic or tactical situations.
>the trio of 5GW ships approached the 1TW fleet carrier and were quickly destroyed as it easily overpowered their shields
>this new generation of ships fit a GW class reactor into a MW class exterior, allowing it to hide it's power signature
>we're getting readings from the nebula, 16GW output!
>though the alien ship had only a 10MW reactor, it's particle beam weapon allowed it to punch above it's weight, penetrating the shields of a 20MW cruiser and damaging it's reactor!

>>21575565
sound dumb. where's the variety then?
how do you create interesting conflicts and battles if the power levels are this simple and transparent?

>>21574053
Was this place spammed with Bakker posts in 2012?

>>21575685
Through OTHER aspects. In RI, gu all just use the same power source, but they have wildly different effects, from shooting laser beams, to turning invisible, to growing an extra head that can see the future, but it all scales with power input.
So ships can have wildly different capabilities, which can be explained adhoc as they come up, without any time wasted on the precise mechanisms of how they work, because it's all the same power source.
It's not a perfect match because space ships don't normally grow in power that often, so you gain less, but the general idea is the same.
Basically, you give a ship a unique ability or three and then scale them based on power output. Usually you take those abilities and combine them as well into more intensive actions, which then provides a general limit
>ship has long range scanners, a powerful but slow missile system, and a warp drive
>because it's a 5GW class ship the scanner can reach interplanetary distance and run for several hours at a time, the missile has very high yield and can destroy or heavily damage a ship even though 10GW class shielding while still having six uses per day, though it's very slow and vulnerable to antimissile defenses, and the warp drive recharges in only 10 hours and has interstellar capabilities
>or it can combine all these abilities into one, locking on with the long range scanners and warping a missile it directly into the target, but this takes extreme amounts of energy, meaning the shields and engines have to be shut down during the warp, exposing it to counter attack by nearby vessels

RI also has very intuitive simple names for things, which is harder to translate to scifi, but would be potentially useful. Like say a hypothetical enemy cultivator is know to use the "iron arms gu" and the "spring tendons gu", it should be obvious how this guy fights, and when mid battle he pulls out the "crucible gu" and initiates his "spring heeled red hot lariat" combination skill it's likewise entirely intuitive without even having to describe what that involves.

>>21575685
By using tactics and strategy?

>hes ruining the thread again talking like Reverend Insanity is some type of masterpiece that people wont be able to understand

yeah bro, ur anime cultivation for kids really something else

>>21574808
Ioesep Talen

>>21575833
ignore...its very dedicated bait. never reply and never mention chinkshit

What IQ do I need to enjoy this?

>>21576301
<115

>>21576301
You only need to like women with Big butts like Erikson does

>>21575833
>talking about Reverend Insanity
>ruining the tread
u w0t m8

>>21570488
bro GE sucks, how many duncans can i read about and and letos dialog with that stupid ass manic pixie girl made by the tleilaxu is so tortured

last two are the best two after Dune 1. There is said it

>>21565496
Any more fantasy similar to this? Kinda reads like a D&D adventure, pretty funny, though grimy and violent. I've read Between Two Fires and loved it as well

>>21575565
I don't mind different magic aspects too much. The main issue I find with other fantasy works (after reading RI) is main characters/protagonists are always so dumb and incompetent, before I didn't know any better and didn't care, it was just normal to have idiotic protagonist, but after RI the moment I encounter stupidity of mc I immediatly lose all interest in the story.

>>21576616
Are you unaware that there are literally 100s of official DND novels, let one of the ones inspired by it?

Thoughts on Licanius?

>>21576682
It's fantasy books with a similar writing style to this author I was after.

>last few chapters of DCC 6 material
FUCK
I think I'm gonna do it. I think it's time for the reread.

Just found this
https://www.risingshadow.net/library/coming/litrpg
Looks helpful.

>>21569441
I found the pace of Piranesi excruciating but its undoubtedly a very well put together and creative novel

>>21576791
>LitRPG
>Cradle
The rest all fit (except arguably Stormweaver but who cares about that series anyway) but Cradle being there's odd.

>>21574502
>Urth is not Ushas
This is directly stated in the play and in Urth of the New Sun, that Urth is known as Ushas after the flood, unlike all the theories on whether Green is Urth in the far future or if both Green and Blue are St. Anne and St. Croix or whatever people just fucking make up

You guys didn't tell me this was a comedy.

>>21577225
some people think all progression fantasy is litrpg

>>21577339
Like I can see the argument (the quantification of power levels like that makes it, if you're being reductive, a game-like setting) but it's a bit weird.

I just finished ISSTH, which I've been reading since July. I don't have much to compare it to, but I enjoyed it a lot and it feels like a great intro to cultivation novels
I was thinking of going straight to Er Gen's earlier novels after the crossover stuff started happening, but then the tl notes said that Allheaven doesn't even appear in them which feels weird. If none of the other protagonists' adventures post Transcendence are in the stories then my other top choice is Coiling Dragon, which is extremely highly recommended.
>>21566469
Personally I was confused by Meng Hao "becoming" Allheaven but also not, and if he actually consumed a bunch of people or if it was some vision seeing as he withered and basically died like Allheaven did but then was fine
>>21572687
>group of fat people with woks
Could you elaborate? What happened before that?
>>21571432
Everything indicates that it's amazing but I don't know I feel about reading a series that's permanently unfinished by government order

>>21571494
This just reinforces my belief that self-published books are terrible. Other than that, thanks for the review.

>>21577506
Self-publish genre books are terrible. Bought like twenty of them and I regret it ever since. It’s like pulling teeth with them. Just not worth the effort.

>>21569441
Her books are great and they’re very under appreciated here.

>>21569441
If you like a well-researched, historically accurate book that doesn't tell the same, familiar story, doesn't use magic as a plot facilitator, reads like a Gothic novel, slowly builds the story based on psychologically developed characters, and is obsessed with tone, then you should give Jonathan Strange & Mr Norrell a try. It's her debut novel but she really gives it her all. You won't waste your time on it. That much I can tell you. Still haven't read Piranesi, which I should get around to do it.

>>21576616
If it reads like a d&d novel, try reading the The Legend of Drizzt. Those are official D&D books.

>>21577548
>The Legend of Drizzt.
Terrible series. I would have recommended Gotrek & Felix, Malus Darkblade, and Wulfrik. It's mix of Conan the Barbarian and Terry Pratchett's Discworld make them a fun read.

>>21577574
Don’t know about the later entries, but I found The Dark Elf Trilogy and The Icewind Dale Trilogy to be great. They really feel like they were written in the 80’s and 90’s.

>>21577506
Most, if not all, self-publish books are just following a fad. No point in wasting money on them since the authors are always trying to follow a leader instead of just writing what they want. That’s why you have such a deluge of shitty litrpg, etc.

>>21577574
Warhammer fantasy is edgy trash though. Never read the books, but I have played the tabletop and the lore is written by some edgy teenagers. Especially when it comes to the skaven.

Is it really pronounced shrank?
I always thought it was just sank with an r.

>>21577599
>Warhammer fantasy is edgy trash
No, that's Warhammer 40k. Warhammer fantasy is less edgy since unlike 40k, warhammer fantasy holds too many light spots and has the potential to become a better place to live.

>>21577533
>they’re very under appreciated here.
Good thing this general isn’t a consensus on what’s good, and it’s just schizos arguing about the same thing.

>>21577514
>Bought like twenty of them and I regret it ever since.
Don't know why you would ever do that. Just reading the preview pages on amazon would have warned you that they were terrible and save yourself the money.

>>21577622
I wanted to give them an honest chance and I thought that the books would improve in the latter half. And boy, was I wrong about that.

>>21577593
>self-publish books are just following a fad
Not even a fad. Authors sees what's selling and try to copy it in the hopes that the money will trickle down towards them. The entire process is creatively bankrupt.

>>21577622
>Just reading the preview pages on amazon would have warned you
Believe it or not, some authors try to make the first few chapters passable as they can to trick people into buying their books. So, just reading from the preview chapters on Amazon isn’t safe anymore.

>>21577645
>Believe it or not, some authors try to make the first few chapters passable as they can to trick people into buying their books.
Doesn't make any sense. Why would an author write a few chapters good, and the rest of the chapters terribly? All you do is lose readers, which is the entire point of being a self-publish author.

>>21577657
Makes them short-term money which is why they even write to begin with. Why else do you think they charge people like five dollars for a book that’s not even a 100 pages. Admittedly, I’m not even talking about litrpg in that scenario, but the point still stands.

>>21577585
From what I gather, most people hate on the Legend of Drizzt novels without even reading them. Since, you know, them being a D&D novel is more than enough for some people to discard them.

>>21577670
>Since, you know, them being a D&D novel is more than enough for some people to discard them.
Sad. They’re missing out on some comfy Kino adventures.

>>21577687
If they want to have stick up their asses that they can't enjoy an epic fantasy, that's on them. I like Drizzt and his adventures.

>Fang Yuan would not kill for the sake of killing, killing is only a method. Using this method, if it can solve the problem, then why not?

>The old man definitely had to die, even if he can endure the murder of his son, Fang Yuan would not be at ease. Otherwise, it would be a case of “When cutting down weeds, you must get at the roots. Otherwise, the weeds will return with the spring breeze.”

>What, you said killing the innocent?

>Hehe, no matter which world, as long as one lives in this world, they would be intertwined in karma, how can anyone be innocent? Humans slaughter pigs, aren’t the pigs innocent?

>Big fish eats small fish, and small fish eats shrimps, in nature there is only the food chain, there is no innocence.

>In this world, anybody can live, anybody can die, but nobody is innocent!

>>21577706
How can people read this garbled mess?

>>21577713
>How can people read this garbled mess?
People who read that have English as their second language, or they have a poor grasp on the English language. I don't think I've seen people who speak good english praise that garbage mtl story once.

>>21577713
>>21577714
Having strict requirements on what you can read implies you have bad language skills, not the other way around, highschool zoomers.

>>21577716
If you want to read barely eligible stories translated via google, that’s in you. Most people wouldn’t and they’re in the right to do so.

>>21577719
Please finish your homework in which you smugly complain to the teacher about Shakespeare's writing being too archaic for your enlightened eyes.

>>21577706
I'm always impressed by how terrible the excerpts are.

>>21577722
>Comparing Shakespeare, the greatest writer in the English language, to a machine translated edgelord fiction
I really fucking hate ESL’s so much.

>>21577506
I wouldn't say that they're all terrible. There are many who like them in general for various reasons. My personal experience has been mostly negative, so I can certainly understand that perspective.

>>21577726
So being a fedora tipping pseud is okay when it's not Shakespeare, noted.

>>21577726
No point in trying to argue with the ESL. He wholeheartedly believes that machine translation is something to behold. Just ignore him and his edgelord story.

Yes, give up and on arguing and samefag/circlejerk instead. I accept your concession by the way. :^)

>>21577731
>There are many who like them in general for various reasons
And there's a reason why we ignore them or don't take their opinion seriously.

I honestly cannot think of anything more reddit than defending tradpub.

>>21577746
Defending Chinese MTL stories, but you already knew that. So why pretend you don’t?

>>21577748
Ah yes, deflecting to a boogeyman. The classic goy move.

>>21577706
There’s a shadow the hedgehog fanfic that does this concept better, but be warn. Cleaning the sewer with Charmy bee arc filters lots of people, especially after shadow murders the president in cold blood.

>>21577751
I don't have a fur fetish.

>>21577731
>wouldn't say that they're all terrible.
They are all terrible. The few good ones, which are rare to begin with, don't absolve the plethora of shitty ones.

>>21577757
And I don’t have a bug fetish. What’s your point?

>>21577760
My point is that tastes are subjective, kind of like your love of anthropomorphic animal porn.

>>21577761
You don’t need to project your beastiality fetish onto me. I’m just saying that your shitty Chinese story has the same literary value of an edgy shadow the hedgehog fanfiction.

>>21577768
And I'm just saying that your sexual attraction to a talking hedgehog is a factor in that evaluation which cannot be generalized to others.

>>21577706
>>In this world, anybody can live, anybody can die, but nobody is innocent!
I remember when I was going through my edgy teen phase. Thankfully, I just kept that shit to myself and not broadcast it through the internet. One day you'll outgrow it and look back at this with a certain amount of cringe. Lord knows I do.

>>21577786
He’s not a teen, he’s a grown adult.

>>21577795
That paints a bleak picture then. I thought he was just some edgy teen trying to be contrarian.

>>21577786
You never stopped. You became counter-edgy to one up your teen self in edginess, and you are very much broadcasting that on the internet right now. Please continue to grow up instead of being a stagnant, self-satisfied manchild.

>>21577797
Nope, fully grown adult with the mental being of a teen that never grew up.

>>21577786
What exactly is absurd and quoteworthy about something as banally true as "life and death are real, guilt and innocence are spooks"?

>>21577811
Thinking they're banally true to start with. Again, I was in your position when I was a teenager. I understand wanting to read some murderhobo that kill indiscriminately and trying to paint it in a philosophical light. But you'll outgrow it. Most people do.

>>21571329
>Ive been hired to partake in epic space quest along with ayyliums and teen gf who is supposed to serve me with free sexo as part of le secret breeding program.
>Were flying this cool spaceship and spending our time by having sexo
>My alien crewmates are so weird, wonder what would it be like to have sexo with them
>Oh shit were stranded on a big ass artificial planet, lets have sexo to calm ourselves
>The aborigine humanoids are primitive hairy assholes obsessed with sexo.
>My gf has been lost in a freak accident, she may be wounded or dead, I have no one to have sexo with
>Oh, a bald alien woman, lets have sexo
>Oh, my gf is alive and well, and having sexo with well hung barbarian
>Oh, basically nothing happens for 200 pages, except sexo.
>Oh, the end, I hope you`ve all enjoyed reading all those one sentence descriptions of our sexo.


Yeah, the source material needs some reworking.

>>21577826
Two are tangible physical concepts while two are intangible moral concepts. You cannot get more spooky than that. Before you strawman again, it needs to be pointed out that morals are subservient to physical reality, so the distinction needs to be first observed whether you respect them or not.
>some murderhobo that kill indiscriminately
In the very first line it's stated that he does not kill indiscriminately, ESL-kun.
>But you'll outgrow it. Most people do.
You better be under 25, only young adults are this obsessed with idolizing old age. If not you're a walking pile of irony.

>>21577836
>highly sexually active generation produces highly sexual fiction
Better scrub the cultural differences before someone zoomer gets their horizons broadened!

>>21577843
There it is, the philosophizing I predicted. Anon, this is my last post to you. I just don't want to waste my time with you coming up with dumber and dumber reasons why the main character in your Chinese novel had to kill those people while insisting he didn't kill indiscriminately. I live through that once, and I don't plan on repeating it.

>>21577881
You disputed the idea that real things are real, all I did was point out that real things are in fact real. Where does the story even factor into this particular discussion? I guess your inability to coherently describe reality is affecting your ability to follow discussions as well, kind of like how you incoherently think killing according to a principle is somehow indiscriminate instead.

I'm going to take my nice comfy 3-0 and get back to reading RI now. Thanks for the laughs anon, enjoy the rest of your night. Try to read something outside your comfort zone sometime.

>>21577253
Nobody in /sffg/ reads actual novels, just transcribed D&D campaigns and video game concepts

>>21578070
I'm reading Shogun right now and it makes me wan to lampoon internally and read LOTM 2 instead.

>>21577836
>n-normal people don't have sex

>>21577726
>RI
>machine translated
it's not. If anyone thinks RI is machine translated then he hasn't seen actual actual machine translated works.

>>21577903
Don't pay attention to him. Some people are just buthurt because main character actually dares to do what is good for him and not spend 10 books sacrificing his life for others.

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>>21577420
>Could you elaborate? What happened before that?
i don't remember much, but it was at the start of the story. he just joined a sect and he somehow joined the "cooks" of the sect, they were all fat. there were nicknames like "fatty zhao" thrown around iirc.
anyway, these cooks would constantly sneak bites of high quality food meant for the top brass when nobody was looking, and that was how they cultivated.
something like that.

>>21577235
>both Green and Blue are St. Anne and St. Croix
>whatever people just fucking make up
Well the shapeshifting wormlike aliens might be a big reason to connect the dots