/lit/ - Literature

I have to say I don't hate leftists anymore. If this is what America reverts to they have every right to make war on it.

Tell us something about it?

1889 America sounds hellish.

>>21547336
Everyone was a hick in 1889.

>>21547336
"There is so little of the aristocrat in Americans that even their late celebrated war was in reality a struggle against the aristocracy. It was perhaps not so much a war for morality or for the emancipation of the Negroes as for extermination of the southern aristocracy."

This hyper-religious American fervor has to die. The Christianity runs too deep; the atheist left is so needed even if I don't agree with them.

The Christian hatred of excellence runs America. That plus the love of money.

And we wonder why we don't have literature and why art is dead.

>>21547423
>>21547429
>>21547484

>no mention of southern aristocracy
>racist for no reason
Into the trash

>>21547393
>Christian hatred of excellence runs America
isnt that kind of counter to the whole critique of american mentality of the protestant work ethic and shit and ultra individualism by that same general demographic.

>>21547836
What individualism?

>>21547813
>"There is so little of the aristocrat in Americans that even their late celebrated war was in reality a struggle against the aristocracy. It was perhaps not so much a war for morality or for the emancipation of the Negroes as for extermination of the southern aristocracy."

>listens to random small talk on the street
>holy shit, why is America so anti-intellectual?!?!
what a retard

>>21547836
>>21547844
Love of money but not of excellence or nobility. It's a thoroughly corrupt country -- basically a huge whorehouse.

>>21547859
>noooooooo you have to have a worthless aristocratic class that doesn't work and contributes nothing to society!!!!!
why are europeans so gay

>>21547393
the atheist left is literally the inevitable outgrowth of Christian culture. the only reason they are necessary is so that the self-defeating religion of Christianity can be destroyed and maybe in a thousand years new, more natural religions will emerge

>>21547911
Except literature and art. America has no culture because it has no elite class. Fitzgerald and the 20s was the closest it came to having culture.

>>21547922
We agree. Though it will happen in the next decades. The anti-christ is coming.

>>21547936
America dominates the last 100 years of literature

>>21547353
sounds more or less the same

>>21547951
Ok so go have your book published.

>>21547859
>>21547844
Well, in the comment it seems like a reference to a prevailing mentality of anti-excellence, however, it seems like the 19th century american character, when critiqued, tends to focus on their preoccupation on a personal work ethic, weither or not that's a preeminent good. Quaker Whaling Hyper industry and maximum frugality kinda stuff. Most period sources and analysis seem to agree on this general pervasive mentality. It somewhat maybe connecting to the particular branches of protistantism that focus on a hyper personalized connection with god in religion, born agains and revivals and Methodists and Baptists and even historically, if nominally waning, puritans.

Just seems to be an odd critique in reference to this fundamental mentality. Not that it doesnt have merit, a certain sort of excellence is of course detracted, but an ontological excellence seems to have been a pervasive piece of the culture. Even Neitche I think often commented on this. I also Found it odd, as a usual critique of the sort that might be qualified as the "atheist left" tends to poopoo the sort of cult of personal (individualism) excellence exaltation, as a detraction from communal concerns.
>Love of money but not of excellence or nobility.
not nobility, maybe, but excellence yes. Its simply a different object of that excellence.

>>21548018
Protestants basically take the most Jewy money making part of the old testament and ignore the new one.

>>21547336
Ever heard America referred to as a "mullato stud farm"? This is the source of that entirely apt moniker.

>>21547319
Crazy how long Americans have lived rentfree in so many yuropoors heads

>>21547813
Southerners come from Cavaliers Culture.

>>21547936
Fitzgeralds Gatsby? Gatsby was Jewish not Anglo Saxon. Roaring 20s was the decline.

>>21548053
thats great and all anon, but you didnt really respond to my point

Why exactly are they so obsessed with us...?

Even DFW realized it was a great time to go.

Kind Regards,
Jearoupienne

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>>21547484
I was really hoping for some scathing criticism but this sounds like a woman absolutely seething about some guy who dumped her.

>>21548265
>>21548431
>>21548999
>>21549328
We must just all learn to love money more and be ready to sell our soul for it. The good ole American way!

>>21547951
This is the biggest joke america has ever produced.

>>21550130
>he anglicized Americanly

>>21547423
>>21547429
>>21547484
Reminds me of Domestic Manners of the Americans (1832) by Franny Trollope.
Nothing changes, Founder Effect in action.

>>21548421
Correct. Southern newspapers at the start of the civil war presented the South as Norman and Cavalier while the North was Saxon and natural serfs.

>>21550247
Which is a LARP because 99% of white southerners were of the same saxon serf origin as the north

>>21550247
>>21550355
America is racist because everyone's so damn insecure about their pedigree.

>>21550355
True, the slave owning class was Jewish. Propaganda always makes ones own side out to be of ancient and honorable stock while the enemy is always degenerate, perverted and sub human.

>>21550411
No it was mostly just anglos, with some french, dutch, huguenot and jewish minorities
jews traded slaves not owned plantations

>>21550236
But things are changing now. The internet has made it possible.

>>21550428
A bunch of coomers that liked to fuck their slaves. There were some Irishmen in there.

>>21547319
>>21547423
>>21547429
>>21547484
It's been half a decade since I read it. Do you have the passage on the absurdity of the philosophy sections in american libraries? Them just being endless rows of Emerson and Whitman, if I recall correctly? I found it pretty enjoyable.

>>21548265
>Ever heard America referred to as a "mullato stud farm"?
No

>>21550409
The make-believe concept of racism comes from america, no matter which definition you choose to use.

>>21548287
3rd worlders whine about america more than Europeans.

>>21550440
Yes, he writes about how horrible American education is. Also about how religious people are.

>>21550464
>>21550466
I'm Canadian and I'm marrying an America girl so I'm about to be American.

>>21550440
>American libraries stock American philosophers
How could this ever be a problem? If you took out the Americans, then there would just be endless rows of Plato and Aristotle instead, and perhaps some Kant and Descartes sprinkled in among them.

>>21548287
>>21549033
it's because you guys won, but no one ever felt like any of you deserved it.
>The most common man feels that nobility cannot be improvised and that one has to honor in it the fruit of long periods of time. But the lack of higher manners and the notorious vulgarity of manufacturers with their ruddy, fat hands give him the idea that it is only accident and luck that have elevated one person above another.

>>21550640
this one sounds better
>Oddly, submission to powerful, frightening, even terrible persons, like tyrants and generals, is not experienced as nearly so painful as is this submission to unknown and uninteresting persons, which is what all the luminaries of industry are. What the workers see in the employer is usually only a cunning, bloodsucking dog of a man who speculates on all misery; and the employer’s name, shape, manner, and reputation are a matter of complete indifference to them. The manufacturers and entrepreneurs of business probably have been too deficient so far in all those forms and signs of a higher race that alone make a person interesting.

>>21548287
>>21549033
>establish political and financial world hegemony which shoves its socially caustic """"culture"""" down everyone else's throat
>any criticism or commentary about this is everyone else being obsessed
It isn't very hard to follow, and I say that as an American.

>>21547393
>The Christian hatred of excellence
And leftists are somehow less hateful of excellence and aristocratic values? All socialist revolt has been in practice (and often intent) mobilization of biological inferiors on the basis of their shared resentments to superiors. Your atheist left would replace every position of authority with gender queer, deformed, transabled blacks if they were able to, in just the same way the Khmer Rouge thought the similarly inbred retarded Cambodian peasantry were obviously best suited to running a Nation.

>>21553080
>Your atheist left would replace every position of authority with gender queer, deformed, transabled blacks if they were able to
Actually, they would give them all the useless managerial puppet positions. All the positions of real power would go to sociopath white women.

>>21553109
Kek, good point.

>>21553080
Your christians just had a massive victory in their attempt to outlaw abortion.
In 2020, black women had a fertility rate of 1.71 (way above white women @ 1.55).
Black women had an abortion rate 5x higher than white women.
Doing the calculations on these numbers, black fertility is going to move up to around 2.3, whereas white fertility is going to reach 1.8 (still below replacement).
That means you're gone in 5 generations because of Christian love.
I cannot stress this enough, american evangelicals AIM TOWARDS the destruction of the world. They want the end times so they can get promoted in heaven. The smarter among them probably know fully well the demographic effect of banning abortion BUT WANT to turn all of america into Detroit, because that means the second coming of christ and judgment day is nearer.
Same reason Israel exists. American evangelicals believe that jews in Israel is a precondition to the end of the world which they desperately strive for.

Leftists do not explicitly desire the end of the world and total death of humanity, they want it to prosper according to their sick visions - nonetheless, it is still less hateful and hostile to life than the christians, who are the most spiritually and physically suicidal ideologues of all time.

>>21550542
It's more so that Emerson and Whitman aren't philosophers and it is pretty funny to see americans try to emulate a 2000+ year old european tradition in their quintessentially american way.

>>21553158
I see what your saying and I don't disagree. I'm not a Christian by any means, it's just in my experience leftists tend to be openly and obviously resentful and life denying in a way that I don't see normally even with Christians. What you're saying about Evangelicals is certainly true, and broadly I do also agree Christians use egalitarian rhetoric and reason to pursue politics directly contrary to the interests of Europeans, but in my day to day experience I've found the average leftist to be somewhat incomparable. I'm not American either so I don't have very much direct experience with Evangelicals but I have heard enough to know that they're mad, so I don't dispute anything you say there. Particularly what I don't see is how leftists are meant to be a panacea for Christian egalitarianism. Every leftist revolt in history has produced essentially nothing but schizophrenic spasms and I don't see what much value there is in that.

>>21553158
>>21553200
Both have the same fear of power. They cope with it in their different ways.

>>21547393
>This hyper-religious American fervor has to die. The Christianity runs too deep; the atheist left is so needed even if I don't agree with them.

You are arguing about things that have little to no relevance in modern America, hyper religious fervour where? Apart from a few rural areas of the South and maybe Utah, your worry is entirely misplaced. America is the worlds richest nation, but one that has an entirely vapid cultural life/makeup. Even your governance is retarded, your politicians just argue back and forth about 'woke' shit and never actually do any governing. Democrats whip up the poor and mostly minority groups into hating wealthy whites, and republicans don't do much good. America has already reached the end point of the "atheist left's" goals, the nation is hyper-individualistic and your Christianity has been replaced by modern progressive ideology that you spread like an out of control growth onto the rest of the English speaking world. A hatred of excellence comes now from the various democrat and democrat aligned groups, just look how your cities burned a few years ago. Just look at all the retarded programs that get funding in your country.

>>21554085
There are plenty of groups that would love a radical change of governance and wealth, and a massive surge in political violence, like what happened to countries like South Africa. For the worlds wealthiest country, your cities and inner city schools are dumps with a populace that doesn't care about anything. Your suburbs are nicer but soulless.

>>21554085
You are completely ignorant. Conservative Christianity IS the Republican party. It may only be recently that the media has been able to rail against it (with the designation "Christian Nationalist" so as not to confuse the standard, ignorant, Christian reader) but they have been the engine of the party since the late 70s. If I could disbar the small handful of policy issues that the religious right cares about the entire Republican party would vanish within an election cycle because it would be nothing but scumfuck libertarians and white nationalists who are true minorities.

>>21553893
>>21553200
>>21553158
hated by both sides = based nobility

>>21554099
I don't really care for arguing about the motives and policy of the Republican party, but to get back onto the topic of "Atheist left"; the dems control most of your wealthiest cities and look at the state of some of them, you can plainly see the results of the "athiest left". Look at how idiotic and weak your governance is in the cities with high crime. Look at how terrible your governance is in cities in the PNW like Portland where shootings and meaningless violence are common. The "atheist left" do have a hatred of excellence and an unwillingness to institute any change that brings the quality of life of many of your states and cities up to the standard that the rest of the developed world shares. They would sooner rather cause unrest and tension between various groups to garner votes than actually perform any competent governance. As >>21553080 says you and I already know the outcome of their governance. Modern American culture is vapid, materialistic and retarded.

But I really do think you overstate how Christian and conservative the modern Republican party is.

>>21550355
*British origin

>>21550479
America has led the Western world in one of greatest cultural, demographic and intellectual upheavals in their history and you complain about how religious people are? This book was published in 1889, any problem mentioned within is now completely irrelevant lol. Your country has nothing in common with the people who lived their in 1889, a large proportion of your populace don't even have ancestors who lived there in 1889. You've literally had a demographic and cultural revolution within the past 50 or so decades and you are arguing about a book from 1889 lmao

>>21554139
America needs to become an empire and a true elite class of nobles has to come. It's the only solution to the cultureless shithole we have.

>>21554153
This applies to this comment also: >>21554099

>>21554143
>I really do think you overstate how Christian and conservative the modern Republican party is
Then you don't know what you're talking about. Maybe they don't fit your standard of "real conservatives" but they will back any issue in any direction without even a pause so long as it buys them policy power to police sexuality. This is not an exaggeration. They have been used for years to this end. Modern American culture is vapid and materialistic and retarded because of the Marshall plan, and because Americans by and large don't feel that anything exists outside of their individual scope. It's not caused by "atheist leftism," if it were, the worst offenders of this mentality wouldn't be the conservative libertarians, who will go so far as to believe that the government is just a hat worn by a developed market economy.
As for crime, it's more or less hysteria. Crime is not nearly as bad as people on here make it look (every American libertarian, online or no, talks like they live in the slums of Rio, it has something to do with their paranoia). While it has gotten worse due to lockdowns (an actual governance mistake), prior to this streets were as safe as they were in the 50s. The whole country is not south Chicago.

>>21554155
https://www.youtube.com/shorts/nyW8vVz7wiU

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=z2qZg5cxzBE&ab_channel=ABCNews

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KXYGde3EZmU&ab_channel=WGNNews

South Africa-tier country incoming

>>21554161
>Then you don't know what you're talking about. Maybe they don't fit your standard of "real conservatives" but they will back any issue in any direction without even a pause so long as it buys them policy power to police sexuality

Yeah, they sure are unique in wanting political power to promote their ideals.

Snore.

>>21554170
They are not unique in wanting political power to promote their ideals, they are unique in discarding any effect or process of governance whatsoever in order to promote their ideas. No one else used to do this. They have gone, within a political generation, from economic liberalists to protectionists, from objectivists to "promoters of the working class," from interventionists to isolationists, and from environmentalists to deregulators and patrimonialists to populists and are on the cusp of switching back on these two issues. And the worst part? Everyone else, especially the left, has seen the political power that this garners and is imitating it. They're a fucking scourge.

>>21554161
> It's not caused by "atheist leftism,"
Yes it is, the backbone of modern American life was developed in the revolution and social upheaval of the 1960s which formed the basis for the idiotic shit that now gets spread to every other English speaking nation.

>As for crime, it's more or less hysteria.
No it isn't, levels of crime in your cities are appalling compared to the rest of the developed world. They're run down, crime ridden dumps, I don't know why you keep talking about libertarians but I have never mentioned them and they aren't relevant. Your are a wealthy nation but your cities have high crime and your only cultural achievement is managing to develop and spread increasingly idiotic progressive ideology.

>>21554161
Your country is quite literally nothing like it was in the 70s and 80s because it has been transformed that quickly, yet you keep going on and on about the "Christian right" as if they are even relevant in modern governance. Who cares? Republicans that win votes are fairly mild, and your Democratic party are retarded and use divisive methods to get votes and in turn then spread their retarded progressivist ideology which seems to want to destroy everything normal. You want to discuss the cultural life of modern America.

This is it. The cultural life of anyone in a city is based around progressive, radical policy. That's it.

>>21554170
>political power to promote ideals?
>Snore?

rly????

>>21547331
Leftists aren't trying to "make war on the US" but to do MORE of everything Hamsun complains about.

>>21553080
Leftists ARE a type of Christian.

>>21554187
And the cultural revolution has its roots in the Marshall plan. When an entire country believes that they are entitled to wealth, this is the result. I bring up American Libertarianism because their ideology is the closest kindred to the purity of this degradation, it's illustrative. Many of them are also atheists; I'm not trying to divert, only to point out that this is a universal trait. Crime is overblown, though pretty much everything is geared to say the opposite. I've lived and worked in major cities during twilight hours and was completely fine. There was never any threat.

>>21548265
Nope, I've never read your blog anon

>>21547393
>This hyper-religious American fervor has to die. The Christianity runs too deep; the atheist left is so needed even if I don't agree with them.
>the atheist left
Now could you show me that with sodomy and bad metaphysics lmao

>>21554217
Enjoy getting shot after getting robbed for your wallet you clueless idiot. Enjoy paying your reparations too

>>21550542
? There are no eminent premodern American philosophers, you could use only philosophers from Russel's History of Western philosophy to a man. Most philosophy happened before the USA existed.

>>21554257
Lmao what do you want from me? I live in these places, you read about them on forums for hysterical paranoids. If you want to blame crime on the left, fine. Lockdowns were a bad policy. Shrinking police budgets was worse. But if the issue is whether or not American urban centers are like Johannesburg you're simply mistaken.

A lot of confusion on the character of American elitism stems from the false characterization of WASPs as some sort of conservative warrior elite. They might have been that in comparison to the neurotic Jews and Unitarians/Universalists that were seething about them for their noble appearance, but they were definitely not classical nobles in mind or heart. The Yankee chopped the head off of the actual Cavalier-descended warrior elite in the civil war to make way for human rights and a financialized urban economy. The Yankee’s forefathers, the Puritans, explicitly fled England so they could more efficiently grovel in a feeling of spiritual enslavement to God while living virtuous, prudent lives of commerce. That is a far cry from anything resembling an Aristocracy, but I will consneed that it does look Aristocratic in comparison to LGBTQGDP mutt dystopia. This is why the WASP elite rolled over so easily in the 20th century though. They were never a self-conscious, proud, worldly elite so when they were accused of being such they committed suicide as a class to maintain their Holiness

>>21554217
>And the cultural revolution has its roots in the Marshall plan
It has nothing to do with it, at all, you idiot

>>21554286
>the Puritans, explicitly fled England so they could more efficiently grovel in a feeling of spiritual enslavement to God while living virtuous, prudent lives of commerce.
That decadence will be the end of man.

>>21554295
It has everything to do with it, it was the death of paternalism which was the only strain of American moral life that gave anyone any belief in the existence of a collective good.

>>21554089
What is soul, then? How would you define it?

>>21547393
>the aristocracy

lol

>>21554269
>I live in these places, you read about them on forums for hysterical paranoids.
it's hilarious how many people talk about america as if they've lived there, and then they complain about americans acting like they know everything about [insert european country]. not that it isn't just as stupid, but...

>inb4 ackshually the average european knows more about america than actual americans

>>21554319
Not him but just take the opposite of America and you've begun to understand it in an apophatic manner

>>21554089
To understand American inner cities, you must understand the culture of poor African Americans.

Imagine 13% of your country was made up of gypsies. That's what Americans are dealing with. The cultural gap between suburban whites and poor blacks is as big as the gap between the average Italian and the average gypsy.

>>21554383
Reminder that many black-majority areas in US cities have crime rates comparable to areas with ongoing drug wars in LatAm.

>>21554383
>>21554390
It's the lowest class, what did you expect.

>>21554319
Stuff that doesn't look commercial and mass produced. McMansions, megachurches and most other modern American buildings are incredibly bland and thoughtless compared to European stuff.

>>21554286
WASPs are the spawn of Oliver Cromwell.

>>21547484
The political think tanks is the court of the intellect in America
The advertising industry is a place where le cultivated minds can be found.
the ad industry is a place where that intellect is exercised...social commentary, demographic/ group and individual behavior, mores , sample testing, statistics.

>>21554265
>>21553162
>The United States of America, founded in the Early Modern Period, has no eminent premodern philosophers
>These two philosophers are actually not philosophers, because...
Do Europeans really believe these are good arguments? Waiting for you guys to say Americans have no great cultural export, either... except for literature. And I suppose music, too. Perhaps cinema as well. And... Oh, no.

>>21554543
>>21554544
Americans sell.

>>21554346
King Charles is an aristocrat, Harry is definitely half royal at most. There is a theory that Charles isn't Harry's father, which makes sense considering how different he acts.

Charles is guenonpilled

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hnnXKmGQ4nI&ab_channel=ScientificMystic

>>21554408
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vx--UP-OQ0k&ab_channel=ABC7NewsBayArea

???

>>21547319
Spoiler: prostitution.

>>21554620
>Charles is guenonpilled
Explains why he's so decadent. He can barely handle being a showpiece king.

>>21554655
>decadent
???

>>21554674
Lacking in strength and life. Degenerating.

>>21554544
Emerson really is not a philosopher in the strict sense. A sage, maybe, but not a philosopher.

>>21547331
What is it about the modern left and modern right that makes both groups so detestable? I don't classify myself as a "fence-sitting centrist" either because that's almost just as cringe, but I don't want anything to do with either side because modern thought is a game of sportsball and discourse has become a joke. All I want is:
>love me family
>love me garden
>pray to God
>simple as
but even that is socially frowned upon.

Most people in the USA learn to live from the TV/cinema,

>>21554726
No way. You have shows like Euphoria and Ariana Grande telling girls to be hookers. Truth is no one does shit anymore, Gen Z is the most sheltered generation. Everything is online with everything real being sexual harassment or racism or a micro-aggression.

>>21554702
Okay, then what makes a philosopher a philosopher? How is a philosopher different from a sage? What makes Emerson not philosopher, but a sage? What have you read of Emerson? No one cares about your personal definition of philosophy. Try to be objective.

>>21554710
both are consumer options masquerading as politics, which should expected in a society that only permits political engagement via the market

>>21554813
>with everything real being sexual harassment o
Tv and cinema are both online and offline.

And certain people learn how to survive from trash documentaries and not from the study.

The history of the USA is only about politics and not about other things. A character non-politic that is well-known in the history of the USA is Billy the kid.

>>21554813
gen-z just does the anxiety bit to get out of responsibility. last time i had jury duty all the boomers and gen-x had the usual excuses my kids, my job, etc. but since gen-z have no kids or jobs they said "my anxiety" and got excused.

>>21554927
>>21554931
What I'm saying is that all the extreme tv shows and x rated music makes Gen Z do the opposite. They're sheltered kids.

>>21554993
And isn't that the purpose of this content? Are they meant to make people think?

>>21555312
It's like porn. It sterilizes the person by making the consumable item hyper-real and therefore you avoid actual reality in place of the hyper-graphic hyper-real false reality. Gen Z are zombies trapped in Plato's cave without even knowing it. Without even having to leave their rooms.

>>21547936
Jazz was negro, as was wanton sensuality and overt sexuality.

>>21555337
idk even know what hyper-reality. like people just keep saying it but it doesn't actually mean anything, so they never explain it. it just sounds bad and so they say it.

>>21555350
Go watch porn in 4k, jack off, them come back. That's hyper-reality. The show Euphoria is also like this. Extreme closeups, extreme 4k definition, drugs, sex, violence all hyper-graphic. Hyper-real make up, outfits, situations etc.

>>21555367
Explain how your 4channel interactions are any different.

>>21555384
How is this hyper-real? It's actually the opposite. Anonymous, no faces, nothing graphic. /lit/ is basically a book discussion club.

>>21555384
>>21555401
/lit/ is hypo-real. The ultimate safe space.

>>21555367
what? this makes no sense, though. real life looks better than 4k, i can get an extreme closeup of most anything i want, whenever i want just by moving closer to it. you can't be more real than reality. make-up covers up what is real, it's not hyper-real. i don't understand how outfits could be hyper-real, either. they're just clothes. so, what? i can wear a tuxedo and jack off on an escort while staring intensely at her breasts and that would be hyper-real? or would it not be, because i'd there physically? you still didn't give a real definition of it. you pretty much just told me, "just find it, bro... you've gotta feel it."

>>21555405
Talking on the phone is also hypo-real.

>>21555337
BAP (Bronze Age Pervert) talks about this a lot I think, other many other 'online personalities' do too. There is a great and strange polarisation in modern West, America especially. Porn, borderline pornographic music videos, etc just creates a large amount sterile and sheltered people and a small amount of people who create this depraved content.

Look at things like the link below and try and tell me that American culture isn't rotten to the core? A nation of hyper-sexualised obese people who live amongst some of the highest crime areas in the developed world.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KynkMn5Hv3Q&ab_channel=MeganTheeStallion

>>21555384
Anonymous, slow discussion, early 2000s image board style. Fuck of with hyper-real lol.

>>21555350
A reality with his own truth, for example, the cartoon represents another reality and the cartoon can't distort the truths because they are merely unreal, but the tv series/films that are non-animated, pretend to be the truths because they want to represent the real.

The concept of what is real is needed to be studied. The USA wants to fuck the world after they have fucked nature.

>>21555412
Hyper-real sex is pornographic sex. All the extreme acts. Vanilla sex is the only natural sex.

>>21555412
based retard

>>21555384
>>21555350
Gen Z have no virility, they are sterile. The explosion of digital technology, of social media, of consumption, has all tended towards sterility. High speed internet, VR headsets, an increase in video game popularity, borderline pornographic music and music videos, all create this effeminate and sterile group of people who are satisfied with a dysfunctional nation and retarded governance (i.e. modern America). Even in politics America tends towards the mediocre and away from excellence. No wonder so many people are so soulless and why so many are prescribed pills on top of pills.

>>21555420
We're the best. The cultural elite of the world believe it or not.

>>21554408
it's niggers what did you expect

>>21555337
BAP (Bronze Age Pervert) talks about this a lot I think, other many other 'online personalities' do too. There is a great and strange polarisation in modern West, America especially. Porn, borderline pornographic music videos, etc just creates a large amount sterile and sheltered people and a small amount of people who create this depraved content.

Look at things like the links below and try and tell me that American culture isn't rotten to the core? A nation of hyper-sexualised obese people who live amongst some of the highest crime areas in the developed world.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WWrIDzz9jEU
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JWRlTezTF2k
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=79GGtH9PMpY
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QFd2dqH1H38
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3aSjNKygcco

>>21555450
I'm the biggest and I'm Gen Z. The oldest though. The younger Gen Z is pretty decadent.

individualism is le bad
prosperity is le bad
growth is le bad

>>21556647
give it another 4 years and this place will be calling people bugmen for hating individualism and you will have become a collectivist

>>21555478
I watched the 1st video. Yes the rot must be stopped.

>>21556647
*For strangers

>>21555478
Coping American copying my original comment >>21555414. Fucking retard

>>21555478
Try and cope you American but your music industry solely exists now to show off fat black women twerking and producing porn-tier music videos ahahahaha. This is at the highest level of your music/entertainment industry.

Some hoodlum gangsters from Europe or wherever don't even come close to the shit your retarded nation outputs.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7PBYGu4Az8s&ab_channel=MeganTheeStallion

>>21556647
>>21556661
Enjoy your riots and your fat twerking pornographic music videos you retarded Americans.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qQuQ8zDxGh0&ab_channel=MeganTheeStallion

>>21547319
>This book is amazing, it sheds so much light on American culture.

Just watch this instead, it explains far more about America's current position than a 100+ year old book
>1 billion views
>Its absolutely over for American culture

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=V_MXGdSBbAI&ab_channel=6ix9ineVEVO

>>21547484
>american slaves came from the nile
what a retard

>>21557718
Yeah but the book confirms it was always like this. Conservatism is conserving this.

>>21554085
>hyper religious fervour where?
LGBT and Nigger worship.

why do people here fetishize the roman empire but hate the modern incarnation of it?

Mulatto Studfarm.

>>21558503
I'm a proud mutt. Good looking as fuck. The new world is filled with specimens. Europeans are ugly as fuck low T betas.

>>21558358
I don't hate it, we artists just have to work harder. We have to keep a standard.

>>21558525
Cope, America is becoming an open air favela with the increasing amounts of brown people.

>>21558558
Raise your kids with love and they'll marry a person who looks like them. This is a non issue. The Roman empire also had a large slave class.

It's Christianity that's the problem. At least those that take it seriously. It's fine as a background just like the gods where in Rome where no one believed in them.

Only devout Christians race mix. Just pay attention.

>>21558574
>where in Rome where
Typo

>>21558558
>>21558574
Ultimately I think it's decadence that causes someone to marry another who looks drastically different than them. A loss of pride in who you are because your kids will look nothing like you.

Devout Christians are the greatest decadents but I suppose anyone can be. People without a sense of personal worth.