/lit/ - Literature

Tracking this process back to its origins in the last century when it was possible to create a ‘fake audience’ via Television and Radio is something that, I am quite confident, will not be undertaken by anybody in the near future due to political reasonings of their own but it is dismaying that this has proven to be the case in my own times, given that this ‘process’ or ‘mechanic’ appears to be the common junction by which various cognitive disorders and otherwise epidemic mental health problems enter into the mind of certainly a vast segment of the population.

This mechanic is twofold, of course, in the first place such a person is already retreating from reality into fantasy (be it Television and then Internet) because they are surmounted by grievous externalities; after this point the process we are detailing in this text takes hold of them as their sense of the reality is constructed and deconstructed by one moving-picture after the next.

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We have always considered the “fadism” of a young child to be “normal” in that we recall doing it ourselves and see it all the time amongst younger (and increasingly older) people; swapping out items of apparel and consumption choices to present themselves as one thing one day and then another thing another day, to present outwardly a sense of belonging to one fictitious artificial-image of tribe, in other words, and finding only that the all-along desired ‘tribe’ when encountering other persons who have undergone the same process; all are poseurs, to put it properly. What is this process actually doing to the brain? If we understand the entire purpose of ‘fadism’ rests upon a logical assay and analysis of local environment undertaken by the self to find ‘tribe’ and accord oneself, at least superficially, ‘to’ the strongest tribe then we can understand how the ‘fadism’ subverts the natural human qualities; the entire function of the natural and eons-developed cognitive pathways which makes us Human, but to view the process of artificial images superimposed over or upon reality itself is to realize that the logical mind of a Human is being quite literally torn apart during this process as what it correctly sees and logically discerns will quickly be disassembled and something else takes its place and then another and then another until the full gambit of options on the menu have reached the end of the catalogue and then there is nothing at all forthcoming. I mean here to highlight the unseen damage done to psyche and character and intellectual stability (i mean ‘mental health’) of persons by this process and especially so by the rapidity of it as well as at no point is such a person even actually engaging with real Humans only with persons like themselves who are pretending to be a character type and are projecting character types onto all things around them; that constituting the “artificiality of superimposing images over or upon reality itself,” the alienated or hated person by such groupings is quite literally therefore one who does not ‘conform’ to the pregiven narrative of that grouping which may be the flimsiest of gleaned narratives entirely, regarding ones outward clothing for example. One may easily discern this disposition in many people in the contemporary society; discerning with it the various flaws and points upon which they will be confounded and exploited by others around them who understand, for instance, that adopting their clothing will result in gaining their trust in order to abuse them for some purpose later a that the maximal extent of their ‘true friends’ (i.e. the maximal cohesion possible which can be undertaken by their defacto group unit) will be nothing much (and self-defeating in many ways as gaining skills in things requires non-conformism to a character trope and if a the group will assault a seeming non-conformist in their ranks then they are engaging in self-defeat):

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Ain't reading this shit nigga

We have “considered this normal” but how “normal” can we really say this is? Children did not grow up having their total perception of all reality – and the neural pathways which perceive it - shredded on a daily basis before their eyes and ears ‘until’ the technologies existed by which it became possible to do so; that being first Radio and then Television and then the Television-Internet.

The aspect of forced group conformism (or self-destructive group conformism), on the other hand, is more rooted the psyche; nobody is ever ‘telling them’ to do what they do (as goes the common misconception of the authoritarian types) they by themselves are so disposed to think and act in that way until someone shows them a superior method of doing things, but my point here is that nothing can be trusted about what such persons have decided to force upon each other if their perception of reality is absent, i.e. derived from fictional stories, and if they are observed to be projecting their fictions upon all around them (caring not to undertake investigations to be sure of being right or wrong) and if their own personality is a cut-out character trope where great mental energy goes in to self-conformity so that they do not seem to break their character in the eyes of others whilst a rapid degeneration into solipsistic and, by all means, sociopathic thought processes goes on behind the scenes; they are non-expressive and not open because they are concealing everything all the time at great cost to their own ‘mental health’ in yet more self-destructive ways.

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>>21549030
>Discussions of philosophy that takes place on /lit/ should be based around specific philosophical works to which posters can refer.
Stick to the rules, nigger.

I gave this ‘subject’ the title of “platos cave (the monstrosity thereof)” because this exact social-type is often quoted by persons who imagine themselves learned for reading a few books, but the social-type is never expounded upon; the denizens of the “mental prison” are not in good shape – they are delirious, they are violent, and above all else they are stagnant and slowly starving to death as none of their physical actions and greatly contrived social power games played by each of them vying for control over the group are in any way connected to actually doing anything in the real world; finding bits of food to eat, for example, and indeed they greatly despise those who do seem interested in such things. It is as if, as I have mused before, there is a subsumation of their consciousness by their unconsciousness, or maybe it is the other way around, where there is an ever-present sense of reality-based logical rationality but which is buried under layers and layers of non-reality-based socially-orientated irrationality – I mean here in the sense of a delusional group consensus which is not reality based but which is ‘agreed’ to be ‘truth’ by a collection of persons, e.g. “(i have investigated and found that) there is no food,” “(we all verbally affirmed that we are surrounded by food and we chose to believe that) yes there is,” and where then the social-orientation takes a turn toward the psychopathic as it becomes evident to the group that it is more important to maintain their standing ‘in’ the group than it is to do anything else, and so verbal affirmation of a delusion or apologetics of some foolish error begins to take supreme importance amongst them – again to absolutely no effect toward reality. Even this “no effect” seems to be difficult to understand for some people even as it is demonstrated irrefutably to them; as if their whole sense input is just a state of perpetual malfunction and the input of their sense data has been snapped off and the strands having been soldered clumsily to their ‘social orientation’ – for want of a better descriptive term “social orientation”.

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>>21549035
as if i give a flying fuck what you do or don't do, mr stock character

>>21549041
Still ain't reading nigga

Considering the historical and near constant business of philosophy and sciences upon this very problem (“bad people, what makes ‘em?”) it is interesting and promising and optimistic, I think, that we may at this juncture be able to rectify the cause of so much of that barbarous baseline primitive state of the psyche which as Human and Simian alike cannibalizing themselves, for no purpose at all, than to claw their way atop of a pile of bodies of all doing likewise and feel emotional satisfaction. If, after all, there can be no purpose discerned to such activities; if the social games people are consumed by (sociopathy, etc.) are without real world purpose then it is all the time, when it is observed in effect and discerned in its cause, going to be a case of this unconsciousness or subconsciousness which propels such persons in their maximal actions. I mean here, quite literally, that this then is a matter of barbarians destroying their own societies and making up pleasing-sounding nonsenses to aggrandize themselves who have been rendered impervious to reasoning; they do not know why they do what they do and they are motivated by a sense of petty almost infantile social status in the eyes of presumed, and in todays case often utterly fictitious, peers.

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>>21549040
go and fuck yourself

Platos Cave then, might be understood as that “feral chimp” mentality where great hordes of unthinking emotionally driven presapients are all scratching at each others eyes in a state of constant enmity; I have said this metaphor before of course, all to claw to the top of the pile and beat the chest and then be torn down mere seconds later, in all relative meaning, and fall broken and crippled at the very bottom again – and for those hours spent wasted in the endeavor nothing ‘real’ has been accomplished at all.

The self-enforcement of the thing must be understood as a psychosis in and of itself, I think, it is more forgivable when the constant peer reinforcement is understood as a primary cause in the process but we cannot at the same time merely ‘excuse’ the behavior when we see it; we can “put it out of mind” but we are stuck having to deal with the persons who are like this all the time as well as a proxy gestalt which is domineered in this feral chimp manner by the frothing and the screaming and the hopelessly stupid who are acting out tropes they have seen, and having, as it were, seizures inside their heads as they react to reactions of reactions and hyper-personalize everything around them; highly emotional and highly violent, with the obvious con-artists mingling amongst their number, seeking to manipulate this blob of flesh like an oarsman working only with the rudder of a boat. Indeed it is ‘this’ which is the influence that has us mistake, first of all, ‘that’ as being the Human society, rather that is nothing at all but the spilled contents of an lunatic asylum which is weapon of rapacity all by itself but which is from occasion to occasion and more and more so a weapon utilized and ‘managed’ to keep the greater rational population at bay by threat of violence and imposition.

I think really we are best to describe the situation as to buffalo-killing in the Cowboy and Indian West, when by all means it was possible to peck off a buffalo with an arrow or a shot, but it was far easier to steer the entire herd over a cliff by simply riding alongside it for a while; one, then, neither leads nor follows such a rabble nor does one really need to care much about it, but when the herd of buffalo are on their way to eat your crops and trample your farmstead, driven by frenzied starvation alone, one must be intelligent in how to overcome the adversity that is presented by their impending threat of their arrival.


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and done. Boy, the naysayer trolls who are addicted to their depraved mental prison got in fast this time.

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>>21549040
Honestly, I don't care for this fake abuse of the rules as a pretext to censor a very good subject, see opening line of paragraph 1 as to what you are. This is a discussion of a philosophical concept and its actual relevance outside of what one single person said two thousand years ago. This shouldn't even need to be explained to you, you overgrown authoritarian baby, you.

>>21549046
then move on nigga baby

Baby’s first adderall. Enjoy the heart palpitations OP.

>>21549074
you are projecting an image, this is an unconscious defense mechanism commonly observed in schizophrenia.

but look i gotta go, hopefully not every fucking response will be stupid when i check this later today :)

>>21549089
Yeah you really show me bro

>>21549030
Disorganized and schizo but based. You're on to something. Don't take your meds and refine your ideas.

>>21549530
Thank you, thank you. I'll keep taking my chewy vitamin tablets. It's tragic that in todays society we're inculcated to equate any kind of insight with crazed and heavily medicated, but I feel you. If only the whole society could be drip fed adderal or cocaine, perhaps we'd all be at the good level.

>>21549449
aye brother, I showed you. Take my hand, let us walk together as equals and brothers into the future of tomorrow, today.

>>21549030
Skimmed through your posts, generally agree but fucking learn to be more concise.
I think it's also interesting to compare Socrates' views on writing in Phaedrus to the internet. The notion that writing is harmful and bad for memroy is downright ridiculus but when you replace the physical books which you need to read and maybe bookmark to retain information with unlimited access to knowledge online, Socrates' views start to make sense. Nowadays we have this false notion that we know everything and if we don't we can know everything. Everyone today is a fucking expert because they watched a youtube video or read something on reddit. In reality most of it is surface knowledge and surface understanding of the topic because people don't feel the need to learn, if they don't remember the details they can always google it. The remedy for this, as if to spite Socrates is to read more books, the thing that actually demands focus and effort.

>>21549565
Don’t touch me, I don’t want whatever is in you

>>21549568
>fucking learn to be more concise.
naah it's deliberate and anyway surgically precise; but why dumb down for dumb people who do nothing for you anyway.. that's another modern mythos in and of itself.

anyway, thank you for a good response!

>The notion that writing is harmful and bad for memroy is downright ridiculus but when you replace the physical books which you need to read and maybe bookmark to retain information with unlimited access to knowledge online, Socrates' views start to make sense.
>surface knowledge and surface understanding of the topic because people don't feel the need to learn,
Yeah this is not only Socrates, the story of Horus in the very old world was all about that - as soon as one 'codifies' a thing then subsequent persons are liable to make a stupid dogma out of the codification, it's definitely a social bent occurring in those instances with the same sense of social power coming from the feral-chimp rabble and the succession of rabid idiots who believe themselves "leading" that rabble.

>The remedy for this, as if to spite Socrates is to read more books, the thing that actually demands focus and effort.
I agree with this. Learning, it's cliche to say I know, never stops. I mean, my own sentencing structure is learned from having read lots and lots of books indeed, that I find that I am writing and thinking 'properly' - in the manner of the best and brightest of our species lol - and that this "stuff" (i mean grammar, structure, clause, etc) seems to be unknown and confound persons today simply illustrates that they have read and understood very little to begin with, as Newton said "(he) stood on the shoulders of giants,"

I think we're drifting into apologetics for the illiteracy of people now but I do agree with you in where you're going with it, or where I think you're going with it, in that a mind which is barren and confused (lacking understanding and lacking the intellectual honesty to 'begin' a study) or full of junk will constitute "mental illness" in one degree or another, whilst the filling of junk, or as I said: the "fadism" (and the worst dogmatisms also) is underneath it all a good and healthy impulse of Humanity - but which just has no pathway to reality and so will make-do with junk.

I suppose a way to imagine such a person, as described, is that they are in an oubliette within an oubliette; in a pit within a pit.

>>21549574
"argh the light," said the occupant of the cave in a monotone manner, as if reading from a script and his heart was simply not in it, "get away," he said, "it burns."

In the distance, now casting a tall shadow into the cave, stood Tom Cruise as H.G. Wells Time Traveler, a Thompson Machinegun held in one hand, "Morlocks," he roared and began to spray bullets into the cave, sparing none inside.

finis

op u just made me wonder what is the "cannib" root to both cannibalized and cannibis? i know i will google it in a second but i'm trying to think up the answer first as i type this

>>21549673
>cann
it's dog; dog-like,
lit. etym. cannabis; canna-vis : latin : "seeing (vis), like a dog (cannus),"

go easy on that stuff, citizen ;P i forget which one is the good one

>it's another "idealist cannot deal with the re-evaluation of values" episode

>>21549673
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=R9nBIh_gwDA

>>21549689
wrong. they are a different root. κάνναβις is ancient greek for hemp while cannibal is derived from "caniba" a taino indian word to describe inhe original inhabitants of the caribbean. the misunderstanding i had came from mispelling. cannabis is with an 'a' and cannibal is with an 'i'. totally different origin. neither has a single 'n' so your guess is even less close lmao. did you get that answer from chatgpt? i think the gpt in chatgpt must stand for guess pretty terribly.

>>21549707
It's another "retard can't understand that revaluing values doesn't make sense without presupposing value to begin with" tirade.

>>21549707
not sure how you get "idealism" out of any of this, values doesn't factor into the thing either: we're talking about lunacy, not about gentlemen and their considerations and informed opinions. In my opinion if a person can present a case for why he or she beleives something I siagree with then they are intellectually sound (i may want to refute them and change their mind) but when they cannot or will not present a case then, evidently, they have no idea what they're doing as if they did they would be able to explain themselves.

I don't think Fred would disagree with this either, so shows how much you've read and understood.

>>21549721
>wrong.
>chatgprpto
lmao nigga wut wut wut

Actually the Greek for 'cannibal' was Androphage (man eater; modern day ukraine region), not κάνναβις, whilst 'hemp' is 'ropa' because it was always used for cloth and "rope".

Cannabis ponetically reduces to Cann(us/ae) and Vis/Bis, giving us the Latin verbatim of "dog sight", presumably "cannibal" is connected also to the "dog", "carna" is "raw flesh" for instance, most lanuages when you scratch the surface have similar phonetic origins for most things, so to claim that the notion of "cannibalism" was a Taino Indian word (and cultural custom?) is probably perfectly true but it means less than you think.


But,
it's cute that you fucking googled something and think you know better suddenly, you prove the earlier guys point lol

smoke more spliffs, dog-sight,you're not high enough is the problem i think

>>21549723
value is what gives us will to live and stops us from Schopenhauerposting. It must be created and may be different for different peoples. For most of our fellow man, having enough bread and circuses is enough.

>>21549750
>how do I get idealism from a LITERAL PLATO'S CAVE analogy?

>>21549769
>value is what gives us will to live and stops us from Schopenhauerposting.
Right, so in that case saying that you need to "revalue all values" is superfluous. Unless you want to revalue the will to live.

>>21549723
see: >>21549750

This is emotionalism on your parts to search for 'value', as if looking for a cute story going on in an instructional text about anatomy or steam engines. snap out it.

lol "parts"

>>21549750
The cognitive disorders you describe are just re-evaluation of values on a shorter time scale than is healthy for life. Likewise, idealism is the same but for long (infinite) time scales.

>>21549769
>value is what gives us will to live
I think you're grossly underestimating Will alone, will to live gives us will to live, it doesn't stem from anything but the self and the less the self is able or willing to learn from the world around them the more wrong they're going to be as they will have their actions derived from fantasy as opposed to reality. In this case, I have pointed out, that a group of persons informed by fantasy are in the process of slow consumption and starvation as they are not working with reality to prouce food, what we can predict of their actions, then, will be rapacity of resources of others and denialism of their deeds, as both of these actions stem from not living in reality (or caring for it) in the first place.

Will to live, in the case of such people, is little more than the "will to live" of a rabid dog, but its "will to live" is not important by comparison to what it does.

still,
>stops us from Schopenhauerposting
mostly agree

>>21549773
>Unless you want to revalue the will to live.
It's not important at all really, do you think that the denizens described are driven by some "will to live"? If we can show that they're propelled through their unconscious or subconscious then there is no 'thought' going on which they construct some "purpose", they're running on automatic from hungry bellies; acting when absolutely necessary to sustain bare minimum survival in the immediate present, objectively lower on the intellectual chain than a squirrel who anyway possesses the intellectual capacity to plan ahead with foresight to gather and store food. with abstaining from consumption of it.

refute that nigra ;p

>>21549797
Ah I see what you mean.. well, we disagree over those words; 'values' has a kind of moralism to it, whilst conflating lunacy with rationality - as if they're just two different people with different outlooks, is quite false.

Do you think that a mentally ill person about to pour boiling water on their face, because they think it will trigger a comet shower in deep space, i.e. doing something very dumb for a reasoning very poorly contrived, expects the highly painful consequence that he or she is about to get if they are allowed to pour the kettle over their face? I mean, obviously they don't "think" the bad thing is even real, and they don't think it because they're not thinking in terms of reality in the first place.

Wheres correcting them; helping them, is not really a matter of grand idealism.

>>21549826
>If we can show that they're propelled through their unconscious or subconscious then there is no 'thought' going on which they construct some "purpose"
And then there is equally no "revaluing of all values", because it's all subconscious according to your own statement. So you've just defeated your own assertion. Are all so-called Nietzscheans this short-sighted and unable to comprehend the consequences of their own statements?

>>21549866
>And then there is equally no "revaluing of all values", because it's all subconscious according to your own statement.
No that's not it, you're supposing that humn have like one mold for all time; people are in different stages of maturity moreso than anything, what I describe as the unconscious or subconscious is nothing more than delayed adult development - where the fadism of a little kid is never shaken off by the adult, for instance. A baby cannot be said to be intellectually capable of forming an opinion; a person is not intellectually capable of forming an opinion cannot do so (for whatever reasons), so to consider those types of persons as being a part of the "intellectual conversation" of Humanity is just not true. Rather, they are just wandering around outside of it.

>So you've just defeated your own assertion.
Only if we consider [youtuber trash vlogger] as being intellectually equal to Archimedes. My 'idealism' in this regard is that Humans can one day reach that point (see: Shape Of Things To Come) and it would be idealism if I was making that argument here.

To put it better,
> because it's all subconscious
The subconcious or unconscious is a state of mind "as yet" not having achieved real consciousness; in simple terms we could narrow this down to two guys with the same problems and one has gone to therapy and learned some basic self-control skills and the other has not, that is: one has made an effort and succeeded in gaining self-control and consciousness over his actions, the other is still driven by or a slave to his baseline impulses; unconscious or subconscious.

>Fred
me? Nah, not even. But I have read stuff he wrote and know what he thought about these things.

>>21549030
Almost everything you have written in this thread is retarded, and the parts that aren't are just verbose regurgitations of Baudrillard, whose work was already just verbose regurgitations of Nietzsche.

>>21550521
hey, thanks. Being called retarded by a brain damaged denizen of the dark age of technology is like sucking my cock and declaring me the greatest of all living Men.

Balldrillard sounds like a cool guy, you should probably read him more and try to copy him in the way he thinks and writes.

>>21550521
>Baudrillard,
holy fucking shit, random denizen, it's like i'm looking at a picture of Joe Rogan from 2060.

way to fucking seed Baudrillard into the /lit/ gestalt, you must really like and admire him.

oh what the fuck,
BUMP BUMMPBUMP HAHAHAH