/lit/ - Literature

>>21541776
Because he wasn't a 16 year old angsty teenager on the internet, but a traditionalist.

he was a ww1 vet
in the british army

orcs are directly inspired by the germans
>the most industrialized race
>constantly starting wars (if you grew up on allied propaganda, not debating historicity)
>cannibalistic savages (again, if you only knew them from the trenches)
>technology bad! only produces gas and tanks! meanwhile, garden back at home good
>orcs are born in the muddy trenches just like germans pop out of trenches

leave it to terminally online filtered brainlets to tell you about lotr tho

>anglo
there's your answer

He admired Finland, Finns and the Kalevala and Finland was allied with Nazi Germany against Soviet Union

>>21541776
Goycord dot geegee slash G9XfzH9p

He was misinformed

>>21541790
So instead of being an angsty teenager, he wrote shit fairytales about orcs and wizards and elves and dwarves. Face it, fanboy, he was a massive hack.

Because the choice wasn't quite yet Nazi Germany or the hellhole we now find ourselves in.

Tolkien was great but he wasn't a prophet. He was a chronological bumbler. And a little English patriot. So naturally he found the histrionics and actions of Hitler a little queer.

>>21541790
fpbp

>>21541776
Why would any Brit? Who is more cucked than a British Nazi? Lol, lmao even.

>>21541840
He was an accomplished linguist who defines an entire genre to this day. His son and daughter-in-law have been able to live richly off of nothing but his writings for their entire lives. You have a strange definition of a hack. Whimsy is based. Incel Nazi-larpers are cracked.

Imagine being a Nazi

>why a conservative Anglo didn't praise the enemy country?
Hang yourself
He wasn't progressive in any way either

>>21541895
>He was an accomplished linguist who defines an entire genre to this day. His son and daughter-in-law have been able to live richly off of nothing but his writings for their entire lives. You have a strange definition of a hack. Whimsy is based. Incel Nazi-larpers are cracked.

>>21541790
>traditionalist
National-Socialism is not traditional, it is revolutionary and looks to forge new values which do not nor have not existed in the nation. Their may be commonalities with history but to say National-Socialism is traditional betrays a complete ignorance of both terms

>>21541776
He was a Christian anarchist, he hated all forms of empire and industrialism. He also disliked the Nazi hijacking of the term 'Nordic' because he studied old Norse and actually knew what Nordic meant.

>>21542057
>to say National-Socialism is traditional betrays a complete ignorance of both terms
the guy youre responding to also didn't say that

>>21541776
He was an angloid, the Jew of the White race.

>>21542057
>National-Socialism is not traditional, it is revolutionary
Traditionalism in a degenerated society is allways revolutionary.
>looks to forge new values which do not nor have not existed in the nation.
No. It looks to return to the natural law.

Genuinely, the correct answer is probably that those people weren't British. That was the attitude of people of his generation. Nationalism and subjugation of other peoples bad, except when we do it.

>>21541776
He was an anglo, a christcuck and overall a normie.

>>21542097
No, he hated the British Empire

>>21542089
National Socialism is totally supportive of industry and mechanised warfare, there's no 'returning' to an older society,

>>21542101
Being anti-technology is not beign pro-tradition.

>>21542110
>I support tradition
>Tradition includes totally new things that change society in unforseen ways
rw8pk4

>>21541776
based on what?

>>21541840
I sincerely hope you find something or someone to love

>>21542127
Again, tradition has nothing to do with technology. You can live according to the traditional aryan values and have a cellphone. Old does not equal tradition. When we talk about tradition we refer to values, morality, attitudes towards life, cosmovision.

>>21542089
>Traditionalism in a degenerated society is allways revolutionary.
No, the traditionalism is the cause of the degenetative society. As it draws its modern ethos from the enlightenment. Further, it stood by and watched passively as marriage was destroyed, while the family was destroyed, while your kids are now destroyed. Being 'trad' has helped nobody, you meakly protest and then await the next speed bump which you will condemn and then go back to consuming your trad products

>No. It looks to return to the natural law.
There is no natural law or natural rights, which is what i assume you mean by natural law. Not biological law, not eugenics, not survival of the fittest, not might makes right. You are a liberal ans always will be.

>>21542147
I would profess to be a National-Socialist, what the fuck is traditional aryan values? I maintain the only people who use Aryan are those fringe-Europeans who are no longer European but desperately wish they were. There are no Aryan Traditions beyond a distant shared heritage, but one that is best preserved in the Germanic peoples of Europe.

>>21541840
Not even a fanboy lol, sorry your gas daddy got roasted by actual intellectuals and authors.

>>21542184
“Trad” is a bit of a moving target because everything was new once. It’s okay to be nostalgic but clinging to an era that has come and gone is pathetic and shortsighted, even if the current era isn’t as good as previous eras.

>>21542184
>No, the traditionalism is the cause of the degenetative society. As it draws its modern ethos from the enlightenment
Lol no, the enlightenment was no traditional at all.
>There is no natural law.
If you dont recognize the existence of an eternal divine law that rules the universe, there is not point in talking.
>what the fuck is traditional aryan values?
Start with the nationalsocialists: i.e Hitler, Rosenberg, Darré, Devi, etc. And then continue with the greeks: Homer, Plato, Julian, etc.

>>21542080
Half this, half moral cowardice extrapolated generally

His most acclaimed work is a metaphor for the use of power by political systems and the idea that this can be neutralized by throwing it back in the mountain where it came is probably a greater leap from reality than the elves and shit

>>21542080
>Europeans finally spread their wings and colonize the Earth
>the fucking anglo colonies are the ones that survive
Tragic. One true chance at greatness and it's wasted on Angloid seeds polluting the planet.

>Mordor was positioned is a similar manner as Anatolia
>Sauron is allied with north Harad and the Easterlings
>Sauron presents Melkor as the true god while presenting Eru as a false god denying man from salvation
What did Tolkien mean by this?

>>21541792
Dead wrong, he literally said “we were all orcs then” referring to WW1

You can pretty clearly see that he had huge problems with the way the world was developing but believed that taking violent action against it was impious. Everyone knows that the world was brighter in the Silmarillion and the coming ascendance of Man at the end of the Legendarium is the deathknell of all the was magical and mysterious in the world. That nostalgia and longing inherent in the works is what is really “traditional” and even paganistic in LoTR, but he ultimately remains a Christian humanist because he doesn’t ever advocate going on the attack for the hope of a second coming of the Elder Days. Like Burke, he chooses to fight the long defeat, rather than choosing counter-revolution (or more accurately, counter-Reformation…). I guess that he saw the end of Merry Old England and the departure of the Eldar to the West as part of God’s plan or something, but it’s sad nonetheless. This subtext is something that radical right readers of Tolkien are increasingly picking up on and lashing out against it seems

>>21542184
If there are aryan traditions in europe they are best preserves in Albanians

>>21542057
He said that Tolkien was a traditionalist which is more or less true.

>>21541792
>>the most industrialized race
No they're not.
>>constantly starting wars (if you grew up on allied propaganda, not debating historicity)
Making shit up. The British Royal Family is German; Brits thought that way about the French (I won't deflect and will state it's true).
>>cannibalistic savages (again, if you only knew them from the trenches)
Making shit up. Such is just a common trope used to depict any enemy and not specifically Germans.
>>technology bad! only produces gas and tanks! meanwhile, garden back at home good
Making shit up. The British and the Germans were in a mutual arms race and it's one of the factors that lead to WW1.
>>orcs are born in the muddy trenches just like germans pop out of trenches
Abominations rising from the ground is a common trope in literature. Curtains are blue.

You're a retard.

>>21541996
The least /lit/ form of reply. You need to go back to ifunny.

>>21541776
He was Catholic meaning he was a cuck. He much preferred to smoke his pipe, obsess over language and Latin Mass than to do anything meaningful in the world. Petty bourgeois conservatism.

>>21543071
He wrote books to help people of Britain connect to their forgotten past.
What meaningful actions have you done for the world to make it better?

>>21541776
He did not live to see the future that zog had planned.

>>21541792
Orcs obviously are best represented by the darker races

>>21542717
>implying a halfwit like you would have a clue
Thanks for the laugh

>>21542057
It's Idealistic European Paganism

Gondor and Rohan were kbviously central Europe. Mordor was the ME. He even speaks of "black troll-like men" far to the south.

>>21543071
Chesterton left Anglicanism for Roman Cucktholicism