/lit/ - Literature

>>21508106
>I want to write,
Then write

>>21508128
fr...
thanks.

>>21508106
You sit down with your ideas and fill up a few dozen pages with situations which demonstrate them, then you go through those pages and find a common thread. If you are a plot fag (you sort of sound like it) then you just fill up a few dozen pages with all your ideas and find that common thread, no need for figuring out situations which demonstrate the idea.

>>21508106
I am not a writefag, but if my experience with visual art has taught me anything, you need to just start. Writing and drawing are putting your thoughts on paper, and once you have enough down you can begin to crystallize and refine. Trying to keep it all in your head is worthless and takes up your memory, so you can't properly free your mind into creating/writing/drawing more. A lot of problems literally solve themselves or turn out to not exist when you just begin to act, rather than think.

It is also the only way you learn. Accept that some of your early work is terrible - but don't get discourage and think that just because the result was bad that the effort must've been futile. Being bad at something is the first step towards being good at it. It helps to fail fast, so don't try to make massive-scale work the first thing - small quick daily paintings were good in art, and I figure short stories might be the /lit/ equivalent. Something you can finish kinda fast, see how it came out, and learn from for the next time.

The anxiety of starting doesn't ever really go away, but it gets easier to overcome as you start getting results in terms of finished work - even if it isn't very good. Having finished something - anything - is a pretty good dopamine boost that you'll be motivated to seek out again. That'll help you overcome the lethargy and inaction in the future.

Just my two cents, I hope they're useful.

>>21508259
Thanks. I think I kinda understand what you are saying. But it seems that you're refering to brainstorming.
>>21508292
>Writing and drawing are putting your thoughts on paper, and once you have enough down you can begin to crystallize and refine.
Yeah, as someone who also draws and started doodling recently, it helps to get some ideas. My last "complete" drawing came from a doodle.
>short stories might be the /lit/ equivalent. Something you can finish kinda fast, see how it came out, and learn from for the next time.
Yeah, I think it's a good start too. Thanks.

>>21508106
My method now is to imagine I want to tell a person next to me a story and I have 90 minutes. Actually get a casio wrist watch and time out how long you can go.
Another way is to wait for inspiration and not ignore it. Wake up and write it all down if you are in bed. Write it down in a notebook with a pen.

>>21508375
>But it seems that you're refering to brainstorming.
So you don't get it at all. Finding the common thread refers to finding enough events in the list which work together and suggest a story that an outline can be built from. Almost no one just comes up with a story and writes it from beginning to end, almost always produces terrible results, like most things the prep work determines the outcome.

>>21508396
My method now is to imagine I want to tell a person next to me a story and I have 90 minutes.
Sounds like a good idea too. But 90 minutes sounds like a stretch, though if you can concentrate for such long time and have free time for it, good.
>Another way is to wait for inspiration and not ignore it. Wake up and write it all down if you are in bed. Write it down in a notebook with a pen.
It's funny the amount of good ideas your mind come up with when you're about to go to sleep. I already write some ideas in that time if I think they're good enough to be remembered.
>>21508434
>Finding the common thread refers to finding enough events in the list which work together and suggest a story that an outline can be built from.
But I do that when I brainstorm (writing random ideas that come up in my mind). Like when I thought of a story set in a not-so-distant future, where people can materialize things based on their current cash which is now stored in a non-physical way, and the protagonist is a rich guy who is going to gamble with other rich dudes in a cruise. And all that came from a brainstorm.

>>21508488
>Like when I thought of a story
That is a plot, I am talking individual ideas, full plots will generally not allow you to find a common thread and full plots are far more difficult to fill in than it is to build up from smaller ideas. Mainly you need to stop reducing things to cliches like "brainstorming" as in see the cliche for what it is instead of just a cliche. Get a notebook or use your phone or whatever and write down every little idea you have which seems interesting to you, occasionally read through it and look for that common thread. Stop thinking so rigidly about story ideas, stories are built up from many smaller ideas.

>>21508488
>But 90 minutes sounds like a stretch,
The point is that short stories are about this length, and the best films are in this time frame. It is a stretch for you and me, that's the point. But even still it's not as long as a novel.
It comes down to inspiration and the correct "mood"--you must be in the proper mood to tell a story otherwise it will be pretty shity.

>>21508512
>I am talking individual ideas
Me too, I never said it was a full plot; what I said was all there was to it.
>Mainly you need to stop reducing things to cliches like "brainstorming" as in see the cliche for what it is instead of just a cliche.
It sounds like you're bothered by this word. If what I do isn't brainstorming, what do you call it then?
>Get a notebook or use your phone or whatever and write down every little idea you have which seems interesting to you, occasionally read through it and look for that common thread. Stop thinking so rigidly about story ideas, stories are built up from many smaller ideas.
That's literally what I do. But I write on my PC.

>>21508556
>Me too, I never said it was a full plot; what I said was all there was to it.
That is pretty much a plot and at least 3 individual ideas depending on how you want to break it up.
>It sounds like you're bothered by this word.
Ultimately your definition is not quite what I suggested, that says it is of a group of people and done very quickly. But no, I have no issues with it beyond the way it tends to force people into a methodology.
>That's literally what I do. But I write on my PC.
Then that is not what you do, you can not write down every idea you have, just the ones you have while at the computer or remember.

>>21508488
Is that Nine?

>>21508592
>That is pretty much a plot and at least 3 individual ideas depending on how you want to break it up.
The ideas came up as words or terms, which I separated by commas, around 20 maybe. I "connected" them, as you like to say, only on my mind, mind you (pun intended), to create the very final "plot"/premise that you have read.
>Ultimately your definition is not quite what I suggested, that says it is of a group of people and done very quickly.
Ultimately, the definition I provided isn't a reflection of what I was doing exactly. I just used it to illustrate more or less what I was doing. I don't do it with a group of people, but I do write whatever word that comes to my mind and write it down to, later, turn it into an idea, which I don't even know what you consider that to be.
Also I think I talked with you some days ago in another thread I made.

Anyway, I cannot win against you in a autism duel, as you legitimately seem to have it. So I can only hope that you ignore my ignorance.
>>21508597
>Nine
Nine what?

>>21508739
And, in case you ask: Yes, I consider both the words/terms and the thoughts I use them in as "ideas".

>>21508797
You sound like you are on the spectrum.

>>21508928
mayb

Start with short stories (sub 10k words or something) and do a basic outline. You will be surprised how easily it flows out of you when the task in not so daunting.

>>21509021
>Start with short stories (sub 10k words or something) and do a basic outline.
Ok.

Imma sleep now. Good night, y'all.