/lit/ - Literature

Wolfe is shit
Tolkien is shit
Martin is shit
All catholic authors are shit

Why does this thread keep getting deleted

>>21422684
Because OP is a fag who is sad that people aren't responding how he wants
typical

>>21422679
New to sff. This is what I'm planning to read next year. Anything I should add or remove? I'm more interested in fantasy than scifi btw.

>>21422690
remove book of the new sun and wheel of time

What's your opinion on this, /lit/? There is a gazillion of books and spin offs in this series and I really like the lore but the writing is shit and the pacing is awful. Should I read on? I read 5 books and kind of gave up but I'm thinking about trying again.

>>21422694
You made your own seperate thread, fuck off faggot. >>21422648

I know that this is a children book series but still, is Wingfeather saga a good children book series?
Would you recommend reading it?

>>21422697
Have you tried reading it?

>>21422695
I did because there was no fantasy general in the catalog. What's the problem, exactly?

>>21422694
>What's your opinion on this, /lit/?
Why do you care about our opinion?

>>21422684
Cuz bakker is a twink femboy built for BBC

>>21422697
>Would you recommend reading it?
have you tried forming your own opinion on a book?

>>21422697
Cover art looks like it was done by a deviantart illustrator who almost only ever makes porn. That said just because something is a children's book doesn't mean it can't be kino. Get the kindle sample, and read some of it.

>>21422692
Why? Are they too long? I'm not planning on reading entire series just yet.

>>21422704
I'm sorry I asked anon, I have no friends and nobody to discuss these books with. I won't ask again.

>>21422715
>Why?
Why not? Why even bother posting your list if you can even do the bare minimum?

>>21422718
>remove these books
>why?
>why not?

Uuh, thanks for the help, I guess.

>>21422722
Tends to happen when you rely on anonymous internet strangers for help instead of doing shit on your own retard.

>thread for discussion and recommendations
>people ask others if <bookname> is good?
>replies are only bitter snarky questions "Have you tried reading it yourself??? in return"

Great thread faggos

>>21422728
This is a list I compiled by "doing shit on my own" and I'm looking for advice from others who've been through them already to refine it before making the purchases. I'm not going to start reading them until January, and even so I can't read them all at once. To say remove this and this with no reason at all, and then get hostile when I ask why is childish.

>>21422757
I think he's trolling.

>>21422735
Happens in every thread. Bless those rare retards who actually give reccs, reviews, and advice. Even the meme ones like the mommy collector and the poppy war/wandering inn spammer

The KING of /sffg/ .

Simple as.

https://i.4cdn.org/wsg/1671785216474193.webm

Considering our resident mental patient has been observed to samefag as nearly a full third of an entire thread's contents, it wouldn't surprise me a bit to see that creature behind all the "why can't I ask about <popular series> in every single thread and why am I told to check the archives?????" newfag spam too. Sad to see. Its nose must be quite long.

>>21422715
Why? because they're fucking SHIT

>21423088
...Why is he talking about himself, guys?

>>21422893
>The KING of /sffg/ .
>Simple as.

pretty good so far. how is the movie and the game

>>21422735
I got recommended the black company and had a great week though

Recs for any scifi thrilled/horror?

>>21423213
Metro 2033.

i want to get into Conan, do i just read picrel the way it is or is there a better sequence? how's the text itself, is it tampered in any way? i've heard that some versions fuck with the author's original text and the collections that have the unedited stories i can't find in ebook format

>>21422694
it's fun, i like how broad its scope is. i've seen people complain that the settings gods are active participants, but i think it lends it small pieces of a classical feel. enjoyable read if you can be bothered going through 4 thousand books

>>21423171
Very different, but still cool. Both take place entirely within the Zone, which makes them less interesting than the book to me.

>>21423231
that's the complete collection of Conan stories and is untampered with

>>21423231
this is a great collection and I was literally reading it yesterday. big book. I went through

Read The Wandering Inn, Read Mother of Learning, Read I Shall Seal the Heavens.

Also read The Prince of Nothing, Neuromancer, Cradle, A Song of Ice and Fire, Hyperion, Between Two Fires, The Poppy War.

>Finish Blackflame
>There's a bloopers section
Can't say I've ever seen that before

>>21423376
are you ESL

Anyone read this series? I was just looking through a library and spotted one of these books and the premise sounded interesting.

>>21423419
yes I am a human

>>21423437
i read the first one (The Lies of Locke Lamora) about ~5 years ago. it's a very fun pulpy adventure with Ocean's 11 style heists, swashbuckling and a little sorcery/ i couldn't put it down. 2nd one had a complete change of setting and i couldn't get into it (i did read it years later tho, that could be part of the reason)

i'm thinking of trying picrel, has anyone here read this? i'd like to hear some testimonials

>>21423518
10/10 cover, 6/10 book

>>21423454
are you south american

It's not actually a good book; reading at times more like a lecture than fiction.

I'll give the author props for this at least: regular sci-fi always assume rational contact with aliens to be possible, but here, we see man as he most likely would be; resentful over not being able to communicate with the alien at all.

Looking for fantasy books with a bronze age or antiquity feel. Any recommendations?

>>21423171
The games are exceptionally good, but some require mods to be palatable. In any case they are not exactly what you could expect after reading the book. The games feel much more like a post apocalyptic shooter and they are extremely good at it. The atmosphere is absolutely unique and no other game has even come close to anything like it.

Also watch the movie, it is free on youtube

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Q3hBLv-HLEc

Once more it something quite different on its own.

desu I liked the book the least of the three. For me it was not focused enough on the grim reality within the zone. The ending did not feel very satisfying

>>21423231
Del Rey is better, it contains the original manuscripts of the stori3s submitted by Howard. Centenary has only got the stories that were published on Weird Tales after they had tampered with it

I didn't like I Shall Seal the Butthole

>>21423231
https://drive.google.com/file/d/1GpofOQ-E4d2nlbF9heUfde4FbbsC8BIg/view?usp=drivesdk
Here's the Del Rey untampered editions on ebook format by the way

>>21423759
What have they tampered with

Knights of Wind and Truth is the working and likely final title of the fifth book of the Stormlight Archive, which is the planned ending to the front half of the series. It will be released in November 2024, coinciding with the 2024 Dragonsteel convention. The planned ending was based upon the ending he planned out for an RPG in 1999.

>>21422682
t.

>>21422690
I'm not going to bother adding anything to this list because it's already meaty and I don't want to be superfluous, but a lot of those are only the first books in series, some of which are very long and of questionable quality and at least one of which is not finished and never will be
>LOTR etc
good
>Dune
there's like 11 books in this series and all of them after the first one are bad
>BOTNS
good
>Elric
very long series
>Conan, Solomon Kane
get omnibuses of these works as they're primarily short stories from pulp magazines like HP Lovecraft
>ASOIAF
lol, lmao
take that right off the list it's a huge mistake
>Princess of Mars
first novel out of a trilogy (and many, many, many Barsoom stories besides)
>Broken Sword
good
>Wolfings
no idea what this is, go ahead
>Worm Ouroboros
good
>Narnia
this is 7 books, but there is one thing I'd like to add: Lewis' Space Trilogy is far more sublime than these and I would actually recommend it over Narnia, but honestly both series should be read
>Lyonesse
good
>Eye of the World
you need to read all fourteen 1,000 page novels to get anything out of Wheel of Time
>Earthsea
good
>Redwall
good
>Colour of Magic
don't know what this is, go ahead
>Fafrd and Grey Mouser
good
>Dresden Files
long series

when I say "good" I don't mean that it's actually literarily competent or that I personally like it (or vice versa), I'm merely saying that it's worth keeping on your reading list

>>21423759
woah nigga, where'd you get this from? do you have the rest (link goes only to 1st volume)?

I can't help but lampoon inwardly when I realize most of /sffg/ hasn't read Lord of the Mysteries.

>>21422690
Commenting on those I've read:
>Tolkien
>Dune
Sure
>Colour of Magic
A mediocre start to a great serie
>ASOIF
Mediocre
>Eye of the world
Shit book, and will bait you into starting a very long and very shitty serie.
>Desden Files
I've only read the first, but holy shit it was terrible.

>>21423957
>lampoon
hi, the 1800's here, can we have our word back please.

>>21423105
Zaudunyani moment

>>21423957
no sex with his harem so no read

>>21423957
>I can't help but lampoon inwardly
Nigger, do you know what the word "lampoon" means? It means to mock comedically. When you "lampoon" something, you're making fun of it. You don't say "I can't help but satirize inwardly", are you an ESL or something? I hope you are and not a pseudointellectual who tried to use a word he didn't understand to sound smart.

>>21423989
He's using it because the shitty AI translation uses the word every other page.

>>21424011
>chinklit
oh ok, thank you for explaining this for me, I thought I was actually dealing with a human issue not a bug issue

>>21423640
I started Latro in the Most and it's fun so far, especially if you like amnesia stories.

>>21423989
>Nigger
>ESL

we all know you wouldnt dare say any of that irl bro, chill, we can all spot u miles away bc u always spamming the same boring insult every thread retard

>>21423957
I heard this is getting an anime. Hope they don't fuck it up like manhwa adaptation.

>>21424054
> Hope they don't fuck it up like manhwa
Had to google that to know wtf you were talking about. Jesus, what a clusterfuck. They really tried to adapt it without a license?

>>21422690
You could remove Wheel of Time and read the Belgariad instead, both of them are "chosen one farmboy and frens save the world" but belgariad is only five books.

>>21423617
>reading at times more like a lecture than fiction.
Lem was great at satire. The parts about the history of Solaris is meant to lampoon science -- or rather, the scientific community. Their discovery of the (truly) alien planet created a bloated field of study, en par with medieval scholasticism and just as fruitless.

>>21423957
I dropped it before reaching the 40 chapter, and had to force myself from dropping it by the 10th or so.
Didn't liked the characters, and I'm so fucking tired of the isekai trope....

>>21424152
not if you include the Malloreon, and you should
but those ten books together are still only about as long as 3 Wheel of Time books

>>21424179
The Malloreon is almost a carbon copy of the first series. The Belgariad used to be a noob friend babys-first-fantasy but now it's seen as very simplistic and not that highly rated. There is also the fact Eddings only became an author because he lost his job after he and his wife were jailed for child abuse which has tainted all his work.

>>21423977

>>21423804
based prots

>>21423977
>cuckshit

>>21424247
this post reads like a tranny whining about JK Rowling's "transphobia"

ASOIAF is better than 95% of the shit that's shilled here (excluding Wolfe, classic sword and sorcery stuff and obviously Tolkien)
Seethe snob faggots

>>21424313
Sure, keeping kids in cages in your basement is exactly the same thing.

>>21424347
>he thinks imageboard retards have any standards of decency and haven't devolved into pedo apologism out of sheer contrarianism
I will pray for you

>>21424340
The last two books sucked and basically consisted of 1500 pages of characters walking around the countryside doing nothing.

>>21424340
martin will die of fatness before he finishes another novel, let alone the entire series

>>21424347
what's with fantasy authors being pedoabusers

>>21424368
>>21424353
the Eddings were pedophiles (not to be confused with Marion Zimmer Bradley and Isaac Asimov, who were kiddie diddlers), they bought an orphan for use as slave labor

>>21424360
He doesn't need to finish the series. I am not in a parasocial relationship with an author and he doesn't owe me anything.
>>21424358
AFFC and ADWD have better pacing if you read them as one book in the chronological chapter orders that exist online, it makes them the best book on the series.

>>21424340
>excluding Wolfe
Wolfe is a hack

>>21424407
You are gay

I think I've read all the fantasy worth reading

>2016+ newfag sperging about how good ASOIAF is
this entire board is a fucking shithole of normalfags who don't read anything beyond the most shallow surface

>>21424460
You are a manchild and a failure

>>21423804
impossible level of bantz

>>21424358
last two books don't exist

>>21424379
>He doesn't need to finish the series.

>>21424415
Like wolfe's beloved catholic church then?

>Why didnt Elric just kill his male cousin, impregnate his female cousin and just stay at home?
It has an ending that makes more sense in the new comic book. Arioch makes a deal with Elric and Yrkoon. Elric gets the sword and saves hot cousin's life and Yrkoon gets the kingdom

New Gene Wolfe book coming October 31, 2023.

Any good book with a female dragonkin/beastkin girl falling in love with the guy protagonist?
I love these silly stories

>Cradle
>it's more important now than ever
>we need your help now more than ever
>the situation is more dire now than ever
>we need to come together now more than ever
please... stop...

>>21424761
I will not be reading it because wolfe is a hack

Any of you guys got any recommendations for books with good combat in it? Gun fights, sword fights, that kind of thing? Everybody I read makes it seem boring or not about the fight itself but more like what is going on around the fight (sound, smell etc) or what characters are doing/thinking.

>>21424895
40k is pretty cringe 90% of the time but Dan Abnett's Gaunt's Ghost series had undeniably well-written combat scenes, especially in the first 3 books

>>21424984
Thanks, anything else?

>>21424995
Revist your diary, I'm sure your young artistic self perfectly captured the moment your mother's tooth flew out from your alcoholic stepdad's IFAF World Cup-worthy bottle throw across the room.

>>21424895
Unironically Bakker.

>>21424995
If you are into low quality military scifi there is series called Frontiers Saga by Ryk Brown. He basically releases the new book every few months, its that type of the story, the first several books weren't bad but later the series got stale. Anyway there is plenty of space battles, ship to ship combat and some it is quite entertaining and well thought out.

Alright, you woman-hating misogynist resident incel CHUD(s), you have to read these and review them with no bias or you're gonna be branded as a chudcel forever.

I don't actually care about these, just some random fantasy femoid schlock that might be gemmy from the sheer stupidity or gay retard drama in this

>>21425112
>Female protagonist
i sleep

>>21425112
>>21425118
>female protagonist
Stopped reading there

>>21425118
stop being a pissbaby chudcel and consume it

>>21425112
I've never read a fantasy book with female protagonist. And I want to keep the tradition

>>21425112
Are they Christian literature? Is the author Christian? Do the characters in the book believe in Christianity, or an allegorical presentation thereof? Do they promote Christian morals or doctrines?
If the answer to any of these questions is "no", then I don't care. I am sick and tired of reading about boring generic fantasy "gods", or fantasy inspired by Greek, or Egyptian, or Indian, or whatever mythology, or overtly atheistical fantasy literature, or even worse: anti-Christian fantasy. At this point, the most creative and thoughtful /sffg/ comes from Christians (e.g. Stephen Lawhead), or at least people who have an honest understanding of Christians (e.g. Wayne Barlowe).

>start reading harem smut webnovel, the bottom-tier garbage of them all
>100 chapters without a single sex scene
Why are webnovel writers such fucking hacks? My standards are mud-tier but goddamn

>>21423437
only the first is good and its pretty typical of moden fantasy

>>21425179
>>>/x/

>>21425112
> female writer
> female protaganist

>>21425229
you didn't answer my questions

>>21425258
Read dresden files, there is christianity stuff in later books

Why exactly is pulp the peak of Fantasy? Why hasn't anyone come along and topped it? Are they just scared of not having retarded magic systems? Scared of being criticized for having a strongman character or a damsel in distress? What is it?

>>21425268
I already did and I liked them but my questions were directed at those womanly books I replied to

>>21425112
The only good female protagonist is Mrs. Frisby. Everyone knows this.

Finished Children of Dune. Should I keep going? It seems to be losing steam but it goes for 3 more books

>>21425298
"no"

>>21425179
For Christian themes you can read

>Illborn
>Between Two Fires
>A Canticle For Lebowitz
>Byzantium
>To Reign In Hell
>Redwall

>>21425297
Do you want an honest answer? Because the truth has nothing to do with wokeness or feminism or niggers or anything, at least not directly.
The real answer is that post-modern, post-ironic society has become anti-natalist to the point of directing their anti-natalism out of the womb. Society HATES children, and anything that can possibly be perceived as childlike. Thus all fantasies have to be grimdark and super serious, in order not to be denigrated as "childlike" fantasies. Gone are the days of Barbie and He-man. And. ironically, the post-ironic insincerity of society makes honest, forthwright, direct stories impossible to tell; everything has to be drowned and saturated in layer upon layer of superfluous subversive subtext that hides any possible meaning you could construe from it until it's lost in an inane self-deprecating miasma of millennial malaise.
This depressed and socially isolated society cannot bear to read something as simple and clean and clear as a musclebound barbarian chopping monsters' heads off; they have to turn it into a politically topical fish-out-of-water sitcom.

>>21425325
I appreciate the suggestions but I wasn't begging for more stuff to read, merely if the books that were the subject of that post I replied to corresponded to my criteria.

>>21425308
Thank you, then I won't be reading them :)

>>21425303
If you want to. It’s up to you.

>>21425179
>Are they Christian literature? Is the author Christian? Do the characters in the book believe in Christianity, or an allegorical presentation thereof? Do they promote Christian morals or doctrines?
>If the answer to any of these questions is "no", then I don't care. I am sick and tired of reading about boring generic fantasy "gods", or fantasy inspired by Greek, or Egyptian, or Indian, or whatever mythology, or overtly atheistical fantasy literature, or even worse: anti-Christian fantasy. At this point, the most creative and thoughtful /sffg/ comes from Christians (e.g. Stephen Lawhead), or at least people who have an honest understanding of Christians (e.g. Wayne Barlowe).

>>21425037
What a baffling response. This HAS to be projection.

>>21423957
I read it and I quite liked it

Any good self-published books that I can get with kindle unlimited? I got a few months worth it and I want to try something new

>>21425387
Try searching on Amazon.

Why haven't you given this a try yet, anon?

>>21425112
I've got nothing to do today so I'll go read FemDrizzt's book and report back, just for (You)

>>21425387
A lot of them, really. Cradle's pretty well-regarded. But it does depend on what you're actually looking for.

>>21425424
Why do you care what we read?

>>21425333
>The real answer is that post-modern, post-ironic society has become anti-natalist to the point of directing their anti-natalism out of the womb.
Why exactly is this and how did it manage to grab so tight a hold on the public consciousness, do you know? Any books you could recommend me on this?
>Thus all fantasies have to be grimdark and super serious, in order not to be denigrated as "childlike" fantasies.
I've noticed this particularly among anime/manga fans or even fans of older western cartoons/comics and movies. They simply cannot engage with media of any form without going out of their way to read some vague subtext into children's media whether or not it was intended. Of course, children's media is not always devoid of a political message, often state-sponsored propaganda, but really they seem unusually eager to find it in the most odd places, as if the absence of it would mark a series as being worse. It's because of their fear of being suspected of having left in them even a drop of childlike innocence then, that they make the effort to over-explain everything they choose to read or watch, I assume. They require justification for their interests. I've even seen people suddenly have a change of heart, excited over the possibility of having something new, not exactly to them, but to their peers; Something acceptable for their peers to know they watch, after it gains popularity. I guess because they don't have to put up as much of a front anymore. A (not so) recent example being when Netflix picked up Neon Genesis Evangelion, which of course isn't like the stories they pile false narratives onto. It'd be hard to even misconstrue it as not having a "message" regardless of how lame it may be, and yet they even give that show the same treatment they do of children's cartoons, that is pushing more meaning onto it than there ever was meant to be. Thanks for the non-joke response.

>>21422735
Why are you using /lit/ and not a website or a forum dedicated to talking about books.

>>21425333
Nobody actually cares about that shit. It's just what the Jews want to shove down everyone's throat. Shut-ins are reading MLP fanfic and beating off to the white witch from Narnia. They don't have any friends to watch Marvel capeshit adventure #53567 with.

>>21424460
Man, I don't know why you feel so much pride that you wasted twenty years of your life on here.

>>21423759
>>21423881
nvm, i just realised it's all 3 in 1 file

>>21425650
Jesus christ, this place really is retarded.

>>21425662
fuck you, it's not at all obvious when you open the file, until you look at the table of contents

>>21425621
I hope George reads this, bro.

>>21422679
The official Mom Protagonist SFF List.
I apologize for the lengthy (ie autistic) list. I may update it later.
>Caught in Crystal (1987) by Patricia Wrede
>The Interior Life (1990) by Katherine Blake
>Raven's Duology (2004-2005) by Patricia Briggs
>Wolfblade Trilogy (2004-2005) by Jennifer Fallon
>Bridge of D'Arnath (2004-2005) by Carol Berg
>The World Gates Trilogy (2004-2005) By Holly Lisle, She wrote Minerva Wakes and the Arhel trilogy, those two books also have mom mc
>Dragonsbane (1985) by Barbara Hambly
>Paladin of Souls and Vorkosigan saga by Lois McMaster Bujold
>Sunrunner Saga (1988-1993) by Melanie Rawn starting from book the mc has a son and he becomes the secondary mc
>The Empire Trilogy (1987-1992) by Janny Wurts
>Liveship Traders (1998-200) by Robin Hobb
>Birthgrave (1975-1978) by Tanith Lee
>Heart of Bronze (1997-1998) by Matthew Stover
>Karavans Trilogy (2006-2012) by Jennifer Roberson
>Skinwalkers (2014) by Wendy N. Wagner, about an ex-pirate Axe wielding mom!
>Frostfell (2006) by Mark Sehestedt
>Legacy of Steel (1998) by Mary H. Herbert
>The Traitor Spy Trilogy (2010-2012) by Trudi Canavan
>Sevenwaters Trilogy (1999-2001) by Juliet Marillier
>Blood songs (1987, third book in the Frost trilogy) by Robin Wayne Bailey
>Bloodsong Trilogy (1985-1986) by Asa Drake
>Gypsies (1988) by Robert Charles Wilson
>Child of Time (1991) by Robert Silverberg
>The Wayfarer Redemption (1995-1999) by Sara Douglass, by book three almost every character is pregnant, after book three there's a 20 year time-skip so all the mcs have grown-up children
>The Forgotten Beasts of Eld (1974) by Patricia A. McKillip
>The Keys to Paradise Trilogy (1987-1988) by Robert Vardeman, trio of mcs all of the same importance, veterans of the Trans-War that ravaged the country, one of them is a cat-girl who saves a slave kid and adopts him
>Bitter Angels (2009) by C.L Anderson
>The Great Wheel (1987, book three of the Tredana Trilogy) by Joyce Ballou Gregorian
>Daughter of the Bear King (1987) by Eleanor Arnason
>Night-Threads series by Ru Emerson, portal fantasy about a druggie mom, her sister and her teenage son.
>Frostflower adn Thorn (1980) Phyllis Ann Karr
>Fifth Millenium by S.M. Stirling, Shirley Meier, and Karen Wehrstein
>Spellsong Cycle (1997-2002) by L.E. Modesitt Jr
>The Sword of Lyric by Sharon Hinck, christian portal fantasy about a soccer mom and her son fighting against Not-Satan
>Cradle of Sea and Soill (2020) by Bernie Anes Paz
>Boneshaker (2009) Cherie Priest
>The Gap Cycle by Stephen Donaldson, absolute grimdark kino but like most of Donaldson's work it has a happy ending, the main characters just have to go through hell to get it.
>Dragon Gate by Linsay Buroker, a six book epic about a Mother-son duo
>Memories of Ice (2001 Book 3 of Malazan Book of the Fallen) by Steven Erikson
>To Sail Beyond the Sunset (1987) by Robert Heinlein
Bakker is king etc. etc.

>>21425499
>they seem unusually eager to find it in the most odd places, as if the absence of it would mark a series as being worse
The absence of political message would make the series better, not worse.

>>21425681
I agree.

>>21425678
Why do you keep on spamming this? Just go to some therapist to deal with your unresolved issues with your mother.

>>21425700
damn dude, fukken GOTTEM

>>21425700
t. in denial

>>21425700
He’s an /a/tard so that’s never happening.

>>21425714
Is that all you have to say?

>>21425700
>posted it three times
>spamming

>>21425734
He’s right. Keep your mental illness to yourself.

>>21424895
>>21424995
Book of Sword and Book of Lost Swords - Fred Saberhagen.
David Gemmell
Drizzt saga
Elric of Melnibone, Corum, Erekose and Dorian Hakmoon series by MoorCOCK
Sten chronicles
>>21425700
>why are you posting sff books in a book thread?
i'm sorry, anon. i can sneedpost if that's more your speed

>>21425700
It’s a bot. We’ve been having them for a while now.

>>21425720
About what? You wanting to fuck your own mother is a mental illness.

>>21425678
You really are just adamant in becoming the like those other shitposters. Why even have /sffg/ at this point.

>>21425777
>Why even have /sffg/ at this point.
Because idiots here like >>21422694 can't use goodreads.

21425733
What response did you expect with your epic snarky "haha gotcha!!" post?

>>21425793
Why are you even here

>>21425793
>>21425733
At least don't be a pussy and actually respond to him, dumbass.

>>21425788
>shittrannyreads
Kys

>>21425797
A good question since I've moved on beyond the same hot fifteen titles that every newfag obsesses over.

The dragon in this is adorable.

>>21425805
Yes, because /sffg/ is somehow better despite no one here discussing books.

>>21425820
What’s the point of your post.

>>21425828
A recommendation for anyone who may be interested in a story with a cute dragon. What's the point of your post you dumb nigger faggot?

>>21425835
So instead of just talking about the book, like a normal person, you just shitpost?

>>21425820
Okay, and? Am I supposed to care or something?

>>21425826
Of course its better here. This is 4chan and 4chan hates trannys and leftards.

>>21425828
>>21425844
damn dudes GOTTEM
especially the literal retard who ends his question with a period.

>>21425844
Shitposting about books which is more relevant to the thread than you're crying.

>>21425845
Don't care? Don't reply then, homo.

>>21425860
Damn dude, you have no life

>>21425862
damn dude, telling someone on 4chan they have no life GOTTEM newfag

>>21425860
>GOTTEM
Are you that fag that takes pride being here for twenty years or something?

>>21425865
Is that all?

>>21425867
Are you that fag that takes pride being here for two weeks or something?

What are some /sffg/ books with similar prose?

>>21425875
Try asking google or something.

>>21425873
So, that's a yes. Thanks for confirming.

>>21425881
So, that's a yes. Thanks for confirming.

>>21425875
Why are you asking us?

I've read good things about stephen r donaldson and am intrigued, but portal fantasy always came off as gimicky and kinda cringe imo. Does he actually pull it off to where it's not cringe?

>>21425820
>female mc
>author he/him

Looking at his twitter I believe he is breaking twitter tos by advertising his mastodon social media profile on his twitter account. I think anyone with twitter account who sees this is bound by tos to inform twitter of tos violation.

>>21425901
>Looking at his twitter
Wow anon, it's almost as if we're talking about a book and not a twitter user.

>>21425901
Any reason why people should give two shits what authors do on Twitter? Assuming they aren’t /pol/tards of course.

>>21425901
>I think anyone with twitter account who sees this is bound by tos to inform twitter of tos violation.
Yeah, bro. I'm going to waste my time going after some author I don't know because his profile offended you. Fucking retard.

>>21425901
>I think anyone with twitter account who sees this is bound by tos to inform twitter of tos violation.
imagine giving two shits about Twitter of all things. Couldn’t be me.

>>21425901
I read the book about five years ago, and there's also a humanoid fox in it kek It's not a particularly good book, but as anon mentioned the dragon is pretty cool. There's also a scene where the protag has to go through a series of trials to become a wizard/sorceress or whatever the fuck, and one of them is surviving inside of a castle against their teacher for some period of time, and it got pretty wild from what I remembered. Other than that there's really nothing else, and I never read books two and three.

>>21425906
We are, he is the author of >>21425820

>>21425912
>>21425917
If you don't use twitter and do not have an account, just ignore it.

>>21425925
> We are
Then why bring up his Twitter account?

>>21425925
>we

>>21425700
shut the fuck up and talk about books.
>>21425875
https://www.literature-map.com/r.+scott+bakker
>>21425900
Yes, mc is suicidal (that's why he's called the Unbeliever) and the whole trilogy is an allegory of mental-illness, similar to True Detective season 1 honestly. you do have to be in the right mood for it.
>>21425820
Is it a girl-dragon of a boy-dragon? can the dragon turn into a human? always liked when dragons can do shit like that
>>21425901
>Looking at his twitter
stopped reading right there, twitter is only good for following porn artists

>>21425924
Sounds good. Just edit the female mc out (and all the progressive sjw stuff) and write a new male mc to replace her, and post the link to the edited book, I will definitely read it. Thanks, anon!

>>21425939
> shut the fuck up and talk about books.
Then why are you on /lit/ if you want to talk about books? Go on some website that dedicates their existence on that. Not 4chan.

>>21425944
holy shit dude GOTTEM newfag trash

>>21425944
which ones? not shitposting i sincerely don't know. i'm already on goodreads and reddit

>>21425946
newfag ESL trash*
This Senior humbly apoligizes to the Junior

>>21425940
Are you gay? Is this what this is? If so, there’s plenty of queer fantasies books that you will like.

>>21425949
> which ones?
The ones you find using a search engine. That’s how I find them.

>>21425952
I am a straight white man.

>>21425962
That doesn’t answer my question

>>21425939
>Is it a girl-dragon of a boy-dragon? can the dragon turn into a human? always liked when dragons can do shit like that
They have sexes, but I can't remember the main ones. Either way it's a baby so I'm not sure that it was all that crucial to the story. They can't turn into humans, but they can talk, read, cast spells, etc. What books have you read where they turn into humans? I wanna read that

>>21425946
The edgelord teens are out of school for Christmas break. It's going to be like this til the second week of January. Also blatant samefagging going on.

>>21425962
oh so you are into cucking?

>>21425963
It does answer your question.

>>21425966
Straight men don’t hate women, and you do, so you can’t be straight. Just go read some queer fantasy and stop being in denial.

>>21425965
No, Why would you think that?

>>21425965
>Just swa...
Swa what? WHAT?!

21425971
>Straight men don’t hate women
kek

>>21425971
Where did you get this idea that I hate women? I assure you I definitely do not hate women.

>>21425940
Imagine being this fucking fragile over books of all things because it has a female protagonist. Jesus this place doesn't read jack shit.

>>21425982
Newfags believe that any negative expression against a woman is muh soggy knees. Ignore it. It's a crossboarder.

>>21425734
If you say something three times and the only replies are insults you should probably just not say it.

>>21423851
Thanks for the Space Trilogy recc. I'll order the first two books for each series, and whichever I like more I'll finish first.

>>21423964
>>21424152
I'll swap Wheel of Time over to the audio version for when I'm busy doing other things. I listened to the sample, and narration sounded awesome. I read the first chapter of Belgariad, and enjoyed it so I'll go with that one instead. Those first couple of pages about the kitchen in the farm were very cozy.

>>21425424
I feel like I did. And either I finished it and completely lost all recollection of 90+% of it, or I dropped it at some point midway through.
I seem to recall it being a less interesting STALKER that entirely discards it's central gimmick after the first chapter and basically never spends any time or thought at all about giant airships.

>>21425982
I am just discussing books, and related things to the books like the characters, the world, the social attitudes, the politics (portrayed in the books) and also the author. Isnt this what wanted all along?

>>21426019
It's been so long since I read them, but I think in the second book the airship(s) become more involved for several reasons that I won't say due to spoilers. Like you, however, I don't remember most of what happened. It's basically a fast food novel with fun action scenes.

>>21425964
>t's a baby so I'm not sure that it was all that crucial to the story. They can't turn into humans, but they can talk, read, cast spells, etc
based babydragon
>What books have you read where they turn into humans? I wanna read that
Dragonlance.

>>21426022
> Isnt this what wanted all along?
No, since no one here talks about here.

>>21426027
I didn't even know there were sequels!
I just found it weird that there's this whole setup exposition dump thing about airships living in the sky in the post apocalypse, politics, resource management and shit, and then they leave the ship and literally never go back until the end and nothing mentioned ever comes up or matters because the entire rest of the book is literally just stalker, but less interesting since it's 90% zombies. And I think they talk about other shit that's more interesting and esoteric, but go out of their way to avoid all of it. Which is logical I guess, but not very exciting.

>>21423213

>>21426060
Do you not constantly post and complain about people not talking about books here in this general?
> "Why don't you discuss books ?!" reeee

We are now discussing books, you should be happy!

>>21425912
Anyone with twitter pronouns is not worth reading, and is in fact worth mocking.

>>21426072
> you should be happy!
Why? No one is talking about books.

>>21426061
>I didn't even know there were sequels!
Breh there's 10, and I don't even know if it's complete yet. I only finished three, and stopped reading for no real reason other than I got my fill.

>>21426075
If you say so, I'm not a /pol/tard and I like to read a book before deciding if its not worth reading than rely on something stupid as twitter.

>>21425303
I thought Children was pretty dull. God-Emperor is good and personally I really liked the last 2 as well. Keep at it, I say.

>>21426080
When there are several red flags present like female mc and twitter pronouns, you can safely throw the book into the trash.

>>21425875
Sir Walter Scott, The Talisman

>>21426105
Again, I'm not a stupid /pol/tard and I like to read a book before deciding if its not worth reading

>>21426105
>mc
post discarded

>>21426130
Show me where on the doll /pol/ touched you

>>21426105
Keep seething while i enjoy kino scifi with adult strong women

>>21426105
So, how much brain rot do you have?

>>21426164
>>21426181
Stop same fagging you fucking loser. You're not convincing anyone. Female protags suck. Deal with it.

>>21426130
>I like to read a book before deciding if its not worth reading
What are you doing here?

>>21425901
>>21426105
Nothing you’ve said is red flags so far.

>>21426157
If all you have to complain about is a female Mc and the author having a Twitter account, then your opinion isn’t worth reading.

>>21426105
How is a female Mc in a fantasy world a red flag?

>>21426193
>>21426195
>>21426203
>>21426253
No amount of sperging will make female protags good you spamming samefagger. Go back to your containment board /lgbt

>>21426264
No one is speeding out but you

>>21426289
kek speeding? Looks like your bot needs some more work.

>>21426164
Yikes!

>>21426299
more like BASED!

>>21426253
I have posted this is previous thread.

Tl dr, women are irrelevant in true male oriented fantasy setting. Men go out to the world and to do great, interesting, mysterious things, while women stay home and wait for their come back. They exist but they simply aren't relevant, of course modern progressives trying to subvert this and destroy male oriented fantasy.

>>21425367
Not really. I was just bored and feeling mean, I'm sorry.

>>21426141
This nigga only reads 'Multiple Protagonists' novels lmao

>>21426317
Oh, you’re just a retard. Never mind then. My fault for expecting something more.

>Leave the threads for a month.
>Come back to the same posts.
God, you guys are tiresome.
What have you fags been reading? I just finished Gormenghast. I bet you who jerk off to prose would love that book. I liked it well enough. It took me some time to finish however. The book reads like a bunch of humorous skits strung together with a meandering continuity that can hardly be called a plot. But I liked the quirkiness. Very Addams family in that respect. The lack of drama made it so I wasn't starved to see what happens next. So it wasn't a book to binge on.

I'm in the mood to read something else. But I don't know what. I'm not in the mood for the Gormenghast sequels right now. I want something with an actual plot.

>>21426331
Rude0xtkj4

>>21426337
> What have you fags been reading?
Why are you asking that here? Go to some literary forum or Reddit.

>>21426337
>I want something with an actual plot.
Showboat World

>>21426337
>What have you fags been reading?
Nothing don't know why you think I'll be reading.

>>21426264
People telling you that your criteria is shit is not sperging out, especially when you have to resort to using the author's twitter account. That's such a bottom of the barrel critique, that I truly wonder if you were being genuine when you said it.

>>21426360
Forgot to mention I don't like Jack Vance

>>21426379
Then go fuck yourself.

>>21426337
>I want something with an actual plot.
There's a chart in the mega folder in the OP, did you search through it?

>>21426388
Actually, I misspoke. I meant to say "fuck Jack Vance in his stupid fucking rapist face. And all of his boomer drink dosing date rapist fanboys.

>>21426396
Yeah, I couple times. I still have trouble settling on things though

>>21426399
>I still have trouble settling on things though
Well, if you stop posting here and spend ten minutes going through them, I'm sure you'll find them.

>>21426368
That was me, not the person you replied to.
Yes, authors twitter account is valid source of information. I dislike twitter and only use it to look up authors because it is not possible meet every author at the local book shop and hear their thoughts and opinions on various matters.

>>21426402
It takes me a lot more than 10 minutes to decide. If you don't have a recommendation, you can just ignore me. I mean, I didn't even ask for one. I only said I was in the mood to read something else. Maybe you guys can help, maybe you can't. No biggie.

>>21426414
It's a troll (with bots). The tranny says the same exact shit to anyone who asks for recommendations.

>>21426412
>Yes, authors twitter account is valid source of information
It isn't and you trying to say it is disingenuous. Especially when it does not pertain to the book, which the other person was saying.

>dislike twitter and only use it to look up authors
This is schizo behavior.

>hear their thoughts and opinions on various matters.
Why the fuck do you care about an author's opinion on anything. They just write books and nothing else. Again, I'm wondering if you're being sincere.

>>21426427
Why do you keep repeating that lie.

>>21426428
>Why the fuck do you care about an author's opinion on anything. They just write books and nothing else.
/pol/tards have to sniff out any wrongthink or else they might read about different opinions and god forbids that happens.

>>21426429
Not a lie. It's clear as day. You bait and then spam whoever engages by pretending to be different people to make it seem like there's a consensus in favor of your gay ass takes. I cannot imagine how lame your life must be irl

>>21426454
Sounds like an easy out.

>>21426454
I hate that I believe you. That kind of behavior is unfortunately very common.

So I decided to give pic related a try. Looking at goodreads reviews, they called out the author for being a Nazi piece of shit. That naturally got me interested, since the book is about killing fantasy monsters and monsters from the folktales. Maybe he had his vampires all be jews or something similar?
Turns out that was the regular reaction of liberal parts of fantasy story community for the author saying that conservative stories are being underrated.
In the story, one of the main villains is a Portugese man who conquered the Mayan temple and turned into some evil being due to Old Ones, yes from Lovecraft, he controls powerful vampires, the main one is a Nazi.
Then to add to the colourful cast, our protagonist has an old Jew inside of his head, a black man and hooker are part of his team.
So what about our protagonist, is he a racist? He is a mutt by his own words 'my ancestors got around, the race is hard to pinpoint', paraphrasing but close to his own words. He has no problems with anything really, except he hates Grant.
What is so special about this guy you might ask? He is the current boyfriend of his crush, one great female who is a gun tottin badass who kills monsters and comes from a lineage of monster hunters who own this group of monster hunters. Yep, it's a human vs monster novel, and that dude is simping hard. As in every time he is around our great female lead, everything revolves about him loving her.
As is tradition, she doesn't refuse his advances, yet is adamant she is together with Grant, who is described as perfect Prince Charming, but is seen as our MC as a pompous prick, so you know how it goes. Our MC is ultra special talanted in shooting, a very important thing for a Hunter and from the fight scenes, the only important thing. He and Grant are at odds and in the first mission Grant leaves him to die in a situation where only plot armour can save him, which it does. This surprisingly doesn't instantly fuck over Grant, and changes nothing really, but he isn't present for the good part of the novel. When he does reappear again, he is kissing the female lead, cucking our dear MC still, but then couple of pages later Grant gets kidnapped by a vampire and his fate, while I haven't read it (I read 2/3 of the novel so far), its already set up to be either death with redemption, or turning into a vampire to be killed. Yey MC. Female lead instantly hops on MC's dick, kissing him not even a day after Grant gets missing. Yey for MC.
What is so special about our MC, except being a perfect killing machine? He is set up to be the Chosen One, like the evil guy was when he was alive.. The old jew guy living in his head that I mentioned? He allows him to see memories of the evil guy, and gives him astral vision. Also saves him from drowning early on by interacting with his gas canister..
All in all, I feel like I have read this novel before, which means it's just one of many trash novels out there. Thank you for reading my blogpost.

>>21426486
Normally it's not something that stands out because most of the schmucks who engage in that type of behavior vary their grammar and vocabulary just enough, but this guy is a special kind of retard who leaves it all the same. He must be a third worlder or something.

>>21426525
Okay. Don’t know why you think we care.

>>21426434
I don't know, going through twitter just to see an author's views just seem psycho, especially when it doesn't affect the book.

>>21426548
But it does affect the book.

>>21426525
I've read a bit more of this series than you have, and honestly it felt like wasted potential. I like monster hunting stories, but this series is yet another one that gets bogged down with overplayed MUH LOVECRAFT shit that's just uninteresting. I am so sick of lovecraftian bullshit, it's incredibly boring.
As far as Grant goes, he actually remains a recurring character iirc. He actually gets quite a bit of development. A recurring theme with this series is that side characters are always more interesting than the protagonist, who just always has miraculous plot armor.
There's a couple of plots that I still remember liking. The one with the soviet werewolf was good and the one about the Fed guy named Frank was good, but they're mainly side stories and the main plot always drags the series down.

Seriously, I cannot fucking stand all this boring ass lovecraftian shit, it's the worst trend imaginable.

>>21426550
>Seriously, I cannot fucking stand all this boring ass lovecraftian shit, it's the worst trend imaginable.
Then don’t read it.

>>21426549
No it truly does not, and you need to get off /pol/.

>>21426553
I don't, but every other series I DO read presents itself as something else, then veers off into SAVE ME NIGGERMAN half way through. It's obnoxious.

>>21426525
This sounds like it could be a fun, and silly romp on paper, but is probably written like complete garbage. The covers do be kino doe

>>21426560
>Everything I like about fantasy.
>-t Jim Butcher
So it's got lots of throbbing dicks then?

>>21426572
Why is dicks the first thing that enters your mind?

>>21426337
>>Leave the threads for a month.
>>Come back to the same posts.
>God, you guys are tiresome.
Then don't come back? Why keep repeating this farce? /sffg/ is only going to get worse.

>>21426589
Ignore him, he was does this shit with the dramatics. At this point, it’ll be best if you just filter him.

>>21426550
That's a fair point. For someone starting out with vampires and mentioning that pretty much everything exists, you would expect some fun obscure creatures from folkloe around the world, but no it's vampires, zombies then Elves and Orcs. How creatively bankrupt must you be.
Tell me this at least, how much ebil Nazi and pure Jew nonsense is there by the end and in later books. The former I can stomach since it's standard Americanism, but the later kills any story for me, since it's always bowing down to everything jews do, even at the expense of the character. Like some shitty comicbook memes where every good and evil guy must unite against 'Current Thing'.

>>21426622
>Ignore him, he was does this shit
I know, which is why I ask why he even bothers coming back? Why not just spend that time searching for a website that talks about books and not be angry?

>>21426628
>tell me this at least, how much ebil Nazi and pure Jew nonsense is there by the end and in later books
I think it mostly fades away by the end of that first arc, everything else is just vampires and lovecraft shit. There is one brief plot about jew vampires preying on people in hollywood though.

>>21426643
Don’t know and ultimately, I don’t care. He always does this type of shit.

Good bio-punk books?( You know, where genetic engineering and molecular biology are taken to extremes.)

I'm thinking of world-building a landscape of political intrigue with extremely bizarre factions, but I'd like to see what others have done.
Only ones I've seen so far that seem relevant are "Perdido Street Station", "Schismatrix" and "Ribofunk."

>>21426675
Try asking google.

>>21426675
>Good bio-punk books?
Here's a list of Bio-punk books.
https://www.goodreads.com/shelf/show/bio-punk

>>21426680
Try discussing things with people.

>>21426680
I already did, but wasn't overly satisfied with the results.

>>21426675
>>21426684
I really want to read someone who takes Naruto and writes it seriously. Child mercenary soldiers, horrific body transformations etc. It's also clearly a post-post-apocalyptic setting of some kind but the series never dwells on that.

>>21426694
Try reading edgy fanfics. There’s bound to be some.

>>21426549
If he wrote actual literature, yes absolutely. when writing adventure fantasy, not so much.

>>21426701
>Powerful women that no man can contain
>Transhumanism making everyona a tranny or modern liberal looking abomination
>Nigger shit becomes the culture
>JAPAN~~~
Yeah, one part of someone being shit can't be ignored, people are holistic in their existance.

>>21426680
This board is for discussing literature, what's with all the retards telling people to just go on google? I've seen a lot of their posts in the past couple of days

>>21426713
You really need to get off /pol/, it’s rotting your brain to such a degree that I think it was possible

>>21426714
There's at least one person here who hates anything that isn't Bakker discussion or something and tries to kill all other conversations.

>>21426719
It's low quality novels that made this way.

>>21426675
Blood Music

>>21426675
You could check out Twig, which is a webnovel by Wildbow that is very much bio-punk. The story takes place in the early 20th century, with the premise that the world went through a life sciences revolution a century before, much like the industrial revolution. The worldbuilding is very interesting and it was my favorite part of the story. The MC is a bit of a smug little prick, but that gets sorted out.

>>21426713
>>Powerful women that no man can contain
Fantasy story is fantasy, how shocking. Are you going to complain that a fantasy story doesn't delve into the kingdoms tax's policies, the tithes to the churchs, or how improbable that a farm boy can be the chosen one?
>Transhumanism
You know nothing of Transhumanism, about its aims, philosophy and ethics, let alone its philosophers, yet have the audacity to throw the name around because you saw it once on either /lit/ or /pol/.
Legitimately, take a step back from /pol/ and other sites. That shit ain't healthy for your mind.

>>21426754
>Are you going to complain that a fantasy story doesn't delve into the kingdoms tax's policies, the tithes to the churchs, or how improbable that a farm boy can be the chosen one?
You have to remember the realism, it needs to be grounded or else the readers won’t believe it.

>>21422682
No likes your disgusting libtoid authors, anon.

>>21426754
>Fantasy story is fantasy, how shocking. Are you going to complain that a fantasy story doesn't delve into the kingdoms tax's policies, the tithes to the churchs, or how improbable that a farm boy can be the chosen one?
>Whataboutism
Yeah, seeing a 4 feet tall weighting nothing graceful pure jade spirit kicking the shit out of burly men is so empowering. Slay queeeeeen
>You know nothing of Transhumanism, about its aims, philosophy and ethics, let alone its philosophers, yet have the audacity to throw the name around because you saw it once on either /lit/ or /pol/.
Why do you act like 90% of it isn't shit akin to the recent Cyberpunk game? All trash.
And being a cunt with my earlier post was on purpose, it says nothing to the original question that was asked. Writing a fantasy does take into account the writer.

>>21426781
>Why do you act like 90% of it isn't shit akin to the recent Cyberpunk game?
>games
I see you haven't read any Transhumanism literature and are just espousing bullshit. Which is what I expected.
>seeing a 4 feet tall weighting nothing graceful pure jade spirit kicking the shit out of burly men is so empowering
It's almost as if its fantasy, a genre of speculative fiction involving magical elements, typically set in a fictional universe that doesn't adhere to our own?

>>21426749
No

>>21426804
>Still argues the shitpost instead of the point
refer to pic rel
>I see you haven't read any Transhumanism literature and are just espousing bullshit. Which is what I expected.
Of course there would be deep transhumanism books, but majority of them are pure shit fanfictions that genetic engineering, cybernetic upgrades and development of technology could bring. As in author's fetishes he unleashes upon the readers under the veil of advanced technology and science. Comparing it to the most popular transhumanit work of fiction, or at least the one which places major emphasis on that, all in order to try to discredit what I'm saying is all very kek.
>It's almost as if its fantasy, a genre of speculative fiction involving magical elements, typically set in a fictional universe that doesn't adhere to our own?
>It's almost as if
Fucking limpwristed faggy way of writing, not that the things you argue about aren't revealing about your perspective on things. And yes, seeing such obviously fantastical things far removed from reality is jarring when the good majority of setting is based on reality as >>21426765 said, and such fantastical elements are picked and chosen from the list of female power fantasies, for the lack of the better term. Not that it's hidden, but the constant barrage of
>'Who says a woman can't fight like a man'
>'You fight well for a woman'
>The plain superiority men in fiction feel when they know they are about to engage a woman in a fight
And similar moments that go for a lot of works featuring a warrior female, all but directly say the common view of that world. And if that setting has women being pregnant and getting monthly periods, as well as retaining the physical and psychological differences between men and women of our world, the combat power of women in that fantasy setting would be lower than a man's. So even then a kickass female would be an exception, ignoring the view of the author and what he wanted to accomplish with such a character. To remove such biological features in order to up the powerlevel of women in the work would leave them as something that is not a woman, making this whole point mute but whatever, go jerk of to your favorite queeeeen and slay.

>>21426851
>Comparing it to the most popular
Should be along the lines of 'shitting on my comparison', rewrite got my shit english even lower on the ESL scale.

>>21426851
>jarring when the good majority of setting is based on reality as >>21426765 (You) # said,
I said that to mock you. Any Idiot that clamors for realism in a genre that’s unrealistic and fantastical in its foundation is someone who can just lean back and read a book that’s for children and young adults.

>>21426694
I'm writing a book based on my 1000 hours in Kenshi

>>21426851
Blue Jean - Sneed Bowie
[Chorus]
Sometimes I feel like
(Oh, the whole human race)
Jazzin' for Blue Jean
(Oh, and when my Blue Jean's blue)
Blue Jean can tempt me
(Oh, somebody send me)
Somebody sent me
(Oh, somebody send me)

{Hook}

[Chorus]
Sometimes I feel like
(Oh, the whole human race)
Jazzin' for Blue Jean
(Oh, and when my Blue Jean's blue)
Blue Jean can tempt me
(Oh, somebody send me)
Somebody sent me
(Oh, somebody send me)

>>21426857
It's the truth, regardless of what you meant. If the work uses our world as a basis, not talking about flying lizardmen Eskyrm that have no gender and reproduce through mind-link to the higher power of nature Riim, but much closer to 'our world but magic' setting, then the point stands. And it's the only point worth talking about when you have 'women but strong', since a world so far removed from ours doesn't impact the reader when something so jarring happens, he knows what he is in for.
Even if men and women of that world, close to ours at a glance, posses the characteristics that would make women equal in strength to men, you would need a writter who can balance the scales of fiction and reality and try not to bring their view of our reality into the fantastical world as wish fulfilment, destroying their own cannon.

>>21426873
Dude, I’m not getting into this stupid fucking argument. It’s fantasy and unrealistic, either accept that or go to a different genre that accedes your realismfaggotry. Anyways this is my last post for you. Screech all you want how fantasy is unrealistic and other dumb shit.

>>21426862
based

>>21426877
KWAB

>>21426882
c: look at him go

any fantasy books set in a world reminiscent of reinssance italy/venice?

>>21426955

I want to strongly recommend Between Two Fires by Christopher Buehlman if you are into dark fantasy and low fantasy novels.
It takes place in the middle ages in France where war, contagious diseases and monsters/demons completely fucked the country. The protagonist is an aged knight who got thrown out of the order and joined a group of bandits. One day he meets a cute little girl who says she can talk to angels and needs their help to go across the entire country, she can't tell why exactly, but an angel told her. The bandit group wants to rape her so the knight kills them all and decides to escort the little girl, not knowing if she really has supernatural powers or is just fantasizing stuff because she is traumatized or something. On their way really early on they also meet an alcoholic monk who joins them too because he is the only survivor of the monastery anyway and his alcohol is running low.
On their way they have to fight off hunger, thirst and the weather. The monster/demon encounters are relatively rare, but if they happen they are absolutely terrifying, this is where the horror/fantasy elements come into play. The protag is a very capable knight but he is getting older and he is only human and can do so much. The athmosphere is absolutely crushing and hopeless and in the book it says several times the only person who can turn this around would be God but he isn't doing anything. Also it is a great motivator to keep reading so you find out what happens when the little girl reaches her destination like the angel supposedly told her to and you really root for all characters.
All in all I really enjoyed this a ton and it gripped me from the start until the very end and I am a reader that it easily turned off.

>>21425974
Swallowing

>>21426337
You finished the first book, which sets up the plot, but didn't bother with the second book that has all the payoff? You are quite the odd creature, anon

>>21427169
>a whole book of setup
lmao fuck that shit

>>21427169
not him but I often read only the first book in a series, or the first season of a show

>>21427169
Each book has to be entertaining in itself. If you say "Come on bro, it gets REALLY good after 400 pages!", I say "No thanks, I will read something else."

>>21427090
reddit novel
absolute dogshit plot and writing
babbys first medieval horror

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>>21426580
First thing to enter his butt too.

>>21427344
Name a better medieval horror

>>21427090
I'm halfway through this, and so far I'd say Between Two Fires is worth the read even though it isn't consistently good. The writer is timid here and there, albeit never for too long since it's not a slow mover. However, sometimes the fucker hits these strides that make it all worth it (the castle scene was nuts), and the dialogue with the girl is often charming. Tone is grim overall, but he has the writing chops to drop nuggets of soul and hope throughout effectively, and all the character voices are distinct.

>>21427460
Reading Ravenloft adventures and imagining getting level drained?