/lit/ - Literature

literature is just expressing in words what you could understand simply by looking at a painting. just another medium to convey your thoughts.

no, being is the highest form of art

>>21396365
explain

Cinema is the highest form of art.

Voyager-2 is the highest form of art.

>>21396379
>t.

>>21396386
Artists and writer got mogged by AI.

>>21396397
Lol

>ranking forms of art
This isn't /sp/

Animation is, unironically.

>>21396324
In the 21st century, it's video games, but there only like a dozen which are sublime or meaningful in any way.

>>21396416
>In the 21st century, it's video games, but there only like a dozen which are sublime or meaningful in any way.
just a worse form of animation for storytelling.

>>21396324
Chemistry is a higher art than any of this pretentious shit

>>21396324
It's the most important art form since language is also our political instrument.

>>21396324
Wherever it is on your shelf, that's where it is for you.

na, it's painting

>>21396324
i like music the most, i could probably live without literature but there is just no way i could live without music

>>21396324
literature is not art it's literacy so on the whole it is higher than art

>>21396324
It's cinema

>>21396617
>>21396379
explain

>>21396324
No, it's painting.

>>21396371
your life and it's experience is the greatest form of art

>>21396633
it is movement
it is life itself

>>21396633
Music is considered by some to be the purest because of its abstraction, moving us to tears or to dance. But we've loved our story times so much. It wasn't long before the hybridization of the art of stage plays with music where taken to the heights of opera and other kinds of musical narratives.
But cinema can, at it's best, bring all richness of a painted canvas, the emotions of a great story and the chill up the spin from a properly place musical cue.
Cinema can do so much. Too bad it's still hampered by money and talentless hacks

>>21396324
Yes

>>21396416
Name one game

>>21396617
true

>>21396695
planescape torment

>>21396638
>Bouguereau.jpg

>>21396324
It's music. Opera, specifically.

>>21396416
Please kill yourself.

>>21396324
The highest form of art is starting and leading a cult.

>This is the best that cinema has to offer
Here's your profound artistic medium bro

Nature is the ultimate form of art. It is effortless beauty, perfect harmony, pure, neither good nor evil.

>>21397695
And modern lit critics only like identity focused magical realism and YA fantasy, what's your point?

>>21396851
Yes and no.

>>21397722
They literally don't. None of those people are winning Nobel prizes, they're winning positive reviews from women on Goodreads and that's it

>>21397733
Double dubs of truth

>>21397732
Kendrick Lamar and the 1619 Project got Pullitzers.

>>21396324
In my opinion literature towers above *almost* every other art form, with the sole exception being music (without lyrics). I'm not even a big musicfag and I read way more than I listen to music, but it's difficult for me to rate even something like literature as a higher form of art than something which can cause intense emotion just through a careful combination of different sounds.
Paintings are much worse than literature. Cinema is laughable. Video games have the potential to be far above either of those, maybe on par with literature, but it hasn't happened yet. Animation is much better than cinema but still fundamentally incapable of reaching the same heights as the written word. Sculpting and architecture are both similar; they can produce absolutely awe inspiring results and the skill involved is truly amazing, but ultimately can't compete with literature.

>>21398016
Shut the fuck up

>>21396324
>Is literature the highest form of art?
No that would be the Gesamtkunstwerk.

>>21396324
Video games have the highest potential compared to everything else, but the probability that it could ever be reached is nil. Because they incorporate virtually everything you'd need to bring together masters from every circle to even come close.

>>21397695
>WHAT WHAT WHAT?!?!?! A FILM ABOUT WOMEN IS GOOD??
>REEEEEEEEEEEEEEE-EEEEEEEEEEEEEEEeee

Video games are just democratic movies and movies are authoritarian video games

>>21396695
Black Souls

>What science cannot declare, art can suggest; what art suggests silently, poetry speaks aloud; but what poetry fails to explain in words, music can express. Whoever knows the mystery of vibrations indeed knows all things.
—Hazrat Inayat Khan

>>21398647
That's lovely.

>>21398647
The entire manifestation is contained in the syllables A U M

>>21396633
music combines all the arts in one. screenwriting, visual arts, music, drama, dance, they're all reflected in film

>>21396324
Fine art is a trade, like being a shoemaker. A painter can never be a truly profound person because they spend their life trying to copy life.
Sculpture is superior to painting. It could be likened to a trade, but sculpture is closer to the masculine trades like construction and mining. Painting is more feminine, thus, subordinate to the sculpture of biology.
Authors aren't really artists per se. They are all prophets, scientists, philosophers. While they also use a handheld utensil like a painter, authors, being manipulators of language, also have the ability to forgo wrting at all. They could hire a scribe, for example.
The second highest form of art, in terms of the medium, is undoubtedly music, even if there isn't one piece that one could name to support the argument.
The highest form of art that really makes you clap and say "well done sir" is memetics.
The ultimate form of art that you can't say no to, is war.

>>21396324
literature is just expressing in words what you could understand simply by looking at a painting. just another medium to convey your thoughts.

>>21398959
Read Lessing retard.

>>21397695
Even the most fervent mysoginist would have to admit that Jeanne Dielman is pure kinography after watching it. You are a pseud.

Has there been a single video game on par with the greatest products of literature, music, art, and film that would even put it near this conversation? A few anons have suggested it but nothing comes to mind, aside from Tetris (mainly because of the Tetris effect) which I doubt is what they meant.
>>21398959
They're different mediums entirely. Paintings cannot depict inner lives, only whatever is outwardly shown. This is because fine art is a static medium and we can only read hidden emotions by witnessing continuous changes in a person's behavior, in a compare-contrast way. Literature is a continuous medium, and so it can express what Mona Lisa is thinking and how that changes over time, whereas the painting itself only shows what emotions are on her face in that instant.
I'm paraphrasing but Kierkegaard talks a lot about this in the first half of Either / Or. At one point he uses the metaphor of a thousand pictures being taken every second as a means of expressing inner turmoil, which predicts the invention of film by about 50 years and makes me wonder what he would've thought of that medium.

>>21399107
So animation is different?

>>21399001
>>21399107
>replying to a bot

>>21396633
Just watch the films of DW Griffith, then you'll get it

>>21397715
animals eating other animals alive and worms eating eyes of children = pure art

nature is cool and all, but have you read some books?

>>21396565
This, music is my first love, then literature, I would hate to lose literature but losing music sound unbearable

>>21396324
I don't think there is a highest form of art. Every branch of art - including the sciences, which actually have tendency to mass produce mediocrity, at its peak, is similarly representative of the heights of man.

>>21399019
It's nowhere near the greatest film ever made

>>21399019
wasn't that last movie everyone called the greatest 2001: A Space Odyssey? that was also garbage, so i'll pass

>>21396324
Why do you ask, are you compiling an important top 10 list ranking artistic disciplines? Don't hesitate to share this important document with us.

>>21398265
No as it turns out they just combine the lowest common denominator pseud garbage into market-oriented, brain fog inducing behavioural therapy for zoomers while Tyrese fucks their peers.

>>21398265
Video games are not art, never were art, never will be art, and cannot be art.

>>21400703
why not?

>>21400754
Because art doesn't have users, only creators and observers. Movies are art, because they are created, and then they're watched. Video games are an interactive platform of playing. You can put art into a video game, through design direction, soundtracks etc., but that doesn't make the video game into art.

>>21396365
Pseud.
>>21396379
Pseud.
>>21396416
Midwit.
>>21396617
Pseud.

>>21396469
>>21396565
>>21396851
Valid.

Art is, in itself, the beauty. That is, an exadarated and even more beautiful version of things around us. Good art is the ability of one to use innovation (feminine) and tradition (masculine) to enhance the beauty of a certain aspect of life. Following these facts, I'm sure you would agree, the core representation of art itself is cute animu grills.

>>21400783
>the core representation of art itself is cute animu grills
there's more to this than /lit/ is willing to admit

>>21400783
I will never get the meme that innovation and creativity are supposedly feminine. Women have two X chromosomes and are thus less subjected to spontaneous mutations, they're highly dependent on society and thus can't deviate too far from any norm unless they already have support. They were never adventurers, conquerors or creative and innovtive thinkers before men or in the same capacity. They in fact are the solid, nourishing base, nature, while men, striving towards the heavens and expanses of the unknown (sea) bring innovation and refined culture at the risk of their own well being.

>>21400795
If anything, femininity is the motivator and enabler for the male innovative and creative drive.

>>21400795
i meant, innovation in a masculine sense imply a objective good. men are striving to push the boundaries in order to reach that good. this gives birth to order.

women on the other hand are not objective. this means that they do not confirm to objedtiv order and insted give birth to caos. chaos is, in itsellf, innovation.

>>21396324
Only midwits put such qualifiers to art

>>21400820
Correct, because überwits instinctively know the answer

Poetry is lower than music and non-poetic literature is lower than poetry.

>>21400868
Lyrics is poetry

>>21400876
Not all music is lyrical.

It is music. Whereas painting or literature are representations of the divine, music at its best IS the divine
https://youtu.be/SQO7QIgNvA0

there's no highest form of art.

maybe you could say that in storytelling, literature is above talking to someone.

>>21396379

cinema is the most expansive art form, I don't even waste much time thinking about it, you can alone tell a great story and change the world, for better or worst with just a piece of paper and a pen.
if you are going to make your story great by cinema standards you are going to need millions of dollars, unless you're really limited in what you're doing.,
imagine casting, music, lights, equipments, locations, etc..
who today hold the power to put a motion picture together where can freely express ones ideas without any type of politics? no one.
imagine if you had the financial resources and yo u could thing in your story in terms of location, actors, lightning, angles? it truly is a very complete art form, it only lacks that even the mastermind could never truly encapsulates his ideas, how many takes would it take to get it right? how much money?

>>21400913
This. I like film, but the limitation of cinema is that it requires too much. You have to subject yourself to the judgement of multiple people (most of whom are not artists themselves) before you even get to make the film. A writer, composer, or painter could keep making art even without financial success and leave a corpus of work that can be re-discovered and appreciated after their death, but a director can only make so many failures before they're prevented from making more films. At best, cinema sacrifices (or at least minimizes the possibility of) genuine expression for the possibility of a more impressive spectacle. This doesn't, necessarily, make it 'inferior' but it's a flaw that you have to acknowledge.

>>21400868
>Poetry is lower than music and non-poetic literature is lower than poetry.

I appreciate your remark that myself, as a poet, am superior to the population of writers of non-poetic literature.

>>21400966
I made a second one, sadly, it is just regular rap. I feel like a fraud.

>>21400966
>>21400968
Rap is neither poetry nor music, Tyrese...

>>21396324
No

>>21398016
>In my opinion literature towers above *almost* every other art form

failed writers always make this statement

>>21398016
>Video games have the potential to be far above either of those, maybe on par with literature

>>21401320
Truly incredible how bad the opinions on art are in this thread, do any of these fucks even enjoy literature?

>>21401506
videogames are virtual toys, just because they add some storyline, doesn´t make them "art"

in fact, videogames, the ones with a narrative are just copy-pasting what movies are doing, so the whole thing is more stupid than it actually seems

>>21401674
Picrel annoyed me so much that I fixed it for you

>>21396324
depends on the literature

>>21402045
Lovecraft

>>21400868
Have a (you)

>>21400783
Midwit.