/lit/ - Literature

>>21394228
How do we save the normies?

>>21394230
Save them from what? "Normie" is a nebulous term, can mean many different things in different contexts.

I kind of hate myself. I wish I could stop existing and all memories of me would be erased from this world.

Is that Adam Greene from Know More News

I'm a racist and a White Nationalist but my entire social circle is non white

>>21394236
Those that have no capacity to understand their own actions and innocent due to their ignorance and the impossibility of ever dispelling that ignorance.

>>21394228
i think i'd cry if someone got me a gift like that

I just made up a new word: Erbklerble

My lack of identity, and adoption of whatever identity is convenient, has brought me to this.

It's funny how one can do everything more or less right, work so so hard, and it comes out to nothing. Or even if it did bear fruit, then what? The economy is fucked, my education means fuckall since getting a job requires jumping and doing tricks like a dog. And how long would I last before being let go?

The choice in identity was never mine, since so many actions and paths were cut off from the get go. And those first events, the formative experiences, spun threads which are being spun, still, to the now.

I"m just deep enough to see how shallow I am. I don't mind, but it's a bit dreary.

There's plenty of good things about being alone, but it means that certain human experiences are limited. I'm not even a sperg, I'm a smooth talker if anything. But I was boxed in from birth.

Funny thing, I said I was shallow earlier, and I proved myself right just typing this. I only ever seem to reach any genuine level of sorrow and 'woe is me' when my financial and personal security and freedom is felt to be threatened. I guess I'll bounce back. Shallow guys like me can make it anywhere. Even if I am a little schizoid.

>>21394265
Your problem is that to you identity is some kind of window shopping. Identity isn't some pre made labelled aesthetic to just wear. It's a genuine understanding of yourself and a holistic integration of the parts of your life. You piss and moan "muh identity" when you voluntarily live a shallow life

>>21394230
What do they need saving from? Themselves. Take away their freedom and give them a reasonably good moral order.

Normies have two states they can possibly be in: nice religious grandma, and whore putting things in her ass for $20. No matter how much you kick and scream about it, these are the two possible settings a normie has. All you can do is pick: nice religious grandma, or whore putting things in ass? And if you see a whore about to put something in her ass, the most you can do is take it away from her and give her some religion to put in her soul instead. Take away the ass object and give her anything other than religion instead, and you will find her on the same street corner two days later putting that thing in her ass, for $20. That is the nature of normies. They are either total degenerate retard consumers and coomers or they are your nice old religious uncle who enunciates properly when he speaks and who talks about his dad taught him the virtues of punctuality. You have TWO OPTIONS.

>>21394289
I don't mean theory, I mean practice. What can anons do to save the normies short of [redacted]?

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>>21394230
Hylics are always going to exist. Some of us are endowed with more the divine spirit than others, it just means we have more responsibility. I don't think it's to save or even to guide, just to maintain and understand.

>>21394291
That is practice. Read Evola and start preparing yourself to be the kind of spiritual and intellectual beacon that can give form and structure to the fascist movements that are inevitably coming. This cycle of headless rampaging fascism and $20 anal insertion liberalism will continue until someone puts a stop to it by giving their own cycle's version of fascism a head. We're about to enter our cycle's version of fascism.

>>21394289
What choices have you made that a normie wouldn't make? What freedoms should they lose and you retain?

>>21394273
I tried to fight the urge to respond, but this response reeks so heavily of solipsism and self aggrandizing egoism that I just --have-- to bite.

For starters, did you miss the part where I said the choice was never mine?
>a bloo bloo-
If identity is determined by actiosn, then I had an extremely limited set of actions available to me from the get go. If it's determined by what sort of people you associate with, I never had a significant choice and only pretend to get on with most everyone without feeling close.

i do know myself and what I want. I admitted I'm shallow in my own post, and what I aspire to is being able to have a decent level of wealth and personal freedom, as well as all the women I can handle, not to mention social power and backing.

I'd probably have a main girl and some sort of friend group I've constructed for all that 'deep' stuff people speak of in interpersonal connection, and keep them separate from my baser desire and debauchery. I hate when separate components of life spill out into one another (school life into home, home into work).

You can speak as you'd like on it, but few people know what it's like to actually, unironically, be a smarter, more developed person than most around you, and be boxed in to a role you don't want to play, entertaining their retardation whilst unable to escape.

>>21394310
You sound like a giant faggot. Take some agency and stop masturbating your ego.
> I hate when separate components of life spill out into one another (school life into home, home into work).
Which is I explicitly mentioned integrating parts of self
>but few people know what it's like to actually, unironically, be a smarter, more developed person than most around you
You're not special

>>21394302
You dropped this, chief.

>>21394339
Thanks kid

>>21394345
Quick recovery. This anon is a real life gigachad.

>>21394228
pls gib tips on how to get a sexy black american girlfriend

>>21394322
You motherfucker, you're literally not listening to the point, however much you project about ego masturbation.
For starters, I am taking agency, what I'm complaining about isn't my own actions, it's the immense, and outright unfair amount of impact that the choices of fools have on the outcome of those who could be great.

The poor economy, my already poor background, and the wretched life I've had to live surrounded by people I see as lesser means that any success I have is downright phenomenal given the circumstance. I could've been a successful millionaire by now if not for my shit for brains parents. I have such talent, such potential, being squandered in a wagie retail job amongst mouthbreathers.

And the self can't truly be integrated the way you say, one has to lie, at least a little, for social competence and general wellbeing. Not to speak of being forced to lie, otherwise being outcasted for honesty (so much for normie virtues).

And who says I'm not special? I can be, the same as anyone of my caliber, especially when looking at the retards that walk by me in the workplace. I'm easily the top 1% there in intelligence, cunning, attractiveness, potential, and general talents and skills. Yet I'm stuck at the bottom for now because the high paying jobs are drying up, right when I'm ready to shoot for them. I could easily be the most successful person here. Whereas Raskolnikov pussied out, I wouldn't. He was right actually, and if he'd followed through on his theory, like I would have, he'd be revered in his fictional space. But he pussied out and stayed mediocre. Well guess what, you can say as you'd like of me, but I don't give up easy, and however much you denigrate, I'm at least half as smart as I think I am, which is more than sufficient.

>>21394356
Have thick hair. That's an exotic feature to black women. Had a random black woman run her fingers through my hair and say "Lawd I need a white man" and another compliment my hair and ask for my number so I can at least attest to it from experience.

>>21394358
You're one whiney faggot. No wonder you don't have friends

>>21394365
They like all hair that isnt nappy. I have thin blonde hair and my black ex loved it

My dad is always passive aggressively accusing me of drinking liquor on the sly and it really pisses me off because I dont.

>>21394394
Why not? What's there to be sober for?

>>21394396
Just not my preference

Oh and my mom and brother think I'm doing cocaine on the sly too. I hate my family.

>>21394228
Love without a streak of shared melancholy isn't worth having.

>>21394417
A Jovian take.

>>21394339
mad spiritually dull nimrod
normie is a cringe word

>>21394243
I relate to this greatly. I’m sorry friend.

>>21394423
>Jovian
Not sure I take your meaning.

>>21394432
>>21394243
Don't worry, it's gonna happen.

>>21394430
>normie is a cringe word (I'm saying this in my head in a mocking voice)
All internetspeak makes me want to fall off the guard tower.

>>21394243
Been there my dude. All I can say is even if whatever it is that's hurting you never truly goes away, there's enough beauty in this world to make life worth living.

>>21394433
read more anon

>>21394467
I will. But it's Friday night and I'm drinking alone so just indulge me for a bit if you will.
I'm just not sure if you mean Jovian in the sense of Jove/Jupiter or emperor Jovian or what.

>>21394417
Melancholy can be very beautiful. There is a lot of great art that has come out of sadness. But sadness is not a state we have to remain in. We can acknowledge it, but we don't have to let it consume us. There is always light and joy to be found.

>>21394252
having your innocence taken away and truly beginning to understand life can often lead to nihilistic spiralling and a feeling of inescapable mental anguish. Imbuing a significant portion of human society with this does not seem conducive to a healthy or desirable human race.

The inexorable passage of time and the absolute impossibility of stopping it from taking away things I care about makes me unironically consider trying Buddhism or something akin to it out.

Constantly building attachments to impermanent things that I know I will lose and being dependent upon them for my life is such a terrible idea but I can't just stop doing it.

>>21394515
>There is always light and joy to be found.
The melancholy enhances the beauty and joy to be found in life. The two can be co-constituting.
Haven't you ever experienced the beautiful sorrow that comes with forbidden and/or doomed love?
I want to be with my love everyday, but circumstances will probably never permit this.
Maybe it's just a cope, but I feel that this only enhances the experience.

>>21394520
Saving the normie does not include giving them knowledge of good and evil because as I stated they are physically and metaphysically incapable of it. It would be best to preserve innocence as you said, in any case.

I just lost favor with a conservative Christian Portuguese by mentioning that I bought a Nietzche book...
It's actually over bros...

>>21394394
He's projecting

>>21394540
Oh I have. I'm in love with a close friend of mine. Nothing will ever happen. They are happy with their partner and I respect it. But there is still beauty to be found in a love that will never happen.

How to overcome regret and disappointment

>>21394552
You didn't answer my previous questions but I'll try again. What does "metaphysically capable" mean in plain English?

>>21394563
I know

>https://www.nytimes.com/2022/12/14/arts/thomas-pynchon-huntington-archive.html
pynchon's about to croak isn't he?

>>21394611
There is no rigorous definition because it cannot be explained as a physical concept. The normie is just a person that is unable to understand the nature of good and evil. They're innocent and their suffering is probably more tragic than anything else that can be imagined. The term NPC describes something similar, although the normie is still a "souled being."
My initial question wasn't serious anyway, it was just a shitpost. Though I still am on an ebin quest to save the normies and that's not a larp.[/quote]

>>21394737
>the nature of good and evil
elaborate

>>21394611
It doesn't mean shit. You're talking to a pseud

I'm bored shitless. I usually drink a few beers and watch a movie to fill the void but I just dont feel it tonight. I cant focus on anything and I dont know what to do

>>21394765
Read a book bitch, you're on /lit/ after all

>>21394769
Wont do it for me. I have a head cold and I'm 4 beers in and I'm haunted by ennui and regret. Cant even focus on a movie.

>>21394742
Why do you want so much elaboration on a literal shitpost anon
Stop being so autistic.
I'll humor you.
An evil act is anything that benefits the self, and a good act is anything that benefits another strictly at the expense of the self. With that in mind, when I say "nature of good and evil" I am referring to the nature of life(and the evil contained therein) more broadly. I could go on a hundreds of paragraphs barely coherent schizoid rampage on the nature of good and evil and its relation to the world but that's going to be saved for my diary desu.
Anyway, normies aren't really able to become aware of the fundamental worthlessness of the material world, and in a sense this would make them hylics in the gnostic worldview. This innocence disturbs me greatly because of the great tragedies that can arise from it, as in the torturous death of a poor normie that couldn't even understand how that could happen.

Now quit sperging out over shitposts.

I drove to a gathering. I could not decide whether I should go, especially after the day before when I rambled to confused people I tried to befriend incoherently about existentialism, all while trying to suppress another ongoing episode of schizophrenic tendencies. I flipped a coin the night before, and Franklin Roosevelt showed me my fate. I got ready like I was prepared to die in battle and drove off into the cold December night. For an hour and a half, I drove around winding roads like dark African currents as mammoth lighting bugs zipped mindlessly to and fro. I drove through hills of ill omen and fogs made up of vapors of multicolored lights. I arrived at my destination about 90 minutes late. I sat on a chair and partook in a conversation of two. I introduced myself, and I sat and listen. Occasionally, I asked questions and made a few comments. I looked at family photos of these two while remembering how boring my life is. It was creeping upon me that I had made a mistake. The mediocrity was baffling, and I wonder what Kafka would have made of this. I gazed out like a wojak and longed to be at home reading my books and doing cardio. When they left and said farewell, I spent a minute in my chair trying to devise a way to leave myself. I stood up and excused myself to the crowd that was blocking the corridor, and walked out into the darkness wondering what went wrong. I saw a car with the headlights on and realized that the couple have not left yet. I walked across the street, hoping that they would not see me, and concluded that I only left because they did themselves. I then walked around the stream of towering houses all with their decorations. The scenery reminded me of a pre-sentient time when I was at the old house, and my infantile eyes saw the Christmas lights all over the endless street that was once my home and the large luminous cherub on the neighbor's yard that locked itself into the recesses of memory. I walked through the stream houses in the cold, pondering what I could learn from this unsatisfied adventure until I found my mother's car and drove off into the black abyss.

>>21394230
We don’t. We let them black themselves out of existence. Normies will become part of the mulatto underclass of hedonistic consoomers. They will be like the human batteries in the Matrix. They are cows to be milked and ridden around on.

>>21394786
That's high grade cringe little man. Almost everyone is a normie. Your coworkers, the innocent people that walk down the street, the kids that can't wait to see Santa. If there is any reason in this world it is to save the normies from as much suffering as possible.

>>21394782
>An evil act is anything that benefits the self, and a good act is anything that benefits another strictly at the expense of the self.
Proof?

>>21394792
Fuck off my dude
You can't prove something that is inherently moral. All you can do is use rhetoric to justify your moral framework(or, assuming one believes morality is objective, to explain a moral good). You can run through a billion philosophers and their copes borne out of a fear of being called a pseud or cringe for trying to justify what they innately believed but could not logically rationalize- you don't need me to do it too.

>>21394358
Ignoring the other anons assholeness, you are quite self aggrandizing, nevertheless its fine to be so, as long as your self conscious and kind to an extent, which it seems you are, and have a certain level of intelligence to back it up.

Keep striving for your best anon, but, your posts have stirred my previously boiling thoughts on the impact one has over others and the impact they have over you. Wouldn't you, as a person, like to be able to change others? Why adapt yourself to their needs? Use your words to change others for the better, your strength of heart and character. If you are as great as you say you are, then go out there and self actualize, expand your knowledge and change others and the world by extension. Change yourself for the better and others as well. The world is decaying, but rather than decaying with it, strive for its change. Onward with your goals anon, achieve them, no matter what they are, and keep meditating, onward to greatness.

>>21394799
Your definition of good and evil is both retarded and dysfunctional. Doesnt surprise me that yiu dont have a grounding for it

>>21394805
Ah, were you just trying to get my rationalization for good and evil? If so, I misunderstood and sperged out too early.

>>21394783
a rather relatable anecdote, anon.

>>21394228
She is very hot, probably 10/10 for a nigress ; yet still, i gag.

>>21394799
But you can prove something benefits someone, you retarded normie, and that's the essence of what constitutes an evil act. People most often use "good" to describe the actions of someone who benefits others at a personal cost to themselves. We most often use "evil" to describe the actions of someone who harms others for a personal benefit to themselves. You can often objectively identify harm, whether it's a disruption of a biological system (cuts and bruises) or the loss of material gain (getting robbed). Anon was correct in his statement that normies are fundamentally incapable of understanding good and evil, and you're proof of it.

>>21394809
Nigger thats literally all I asked for. Now you got ME sperging out. Do you see what you've done?

>>21394809
your reaction seemed justified enough to me, maybe you could have been a little less confrontational, but the substance (the is-ought problem), was on point imo.

>>21394817
>But you can prove something benefits someone
Actually you can't, and this is why the "problem of evil" is still a "problem", and not a conclusion (whether or not you actually believe in a theistic God).

>>21394228
Ever notice how normies can't tell the difference between describing something & advocating for it. Like their brains are pumped full of a constant feed of hormones and social media that in their minds if you describe something in detail, you must secretly be defending it.
For instance, if you were to describe in detail the history of ethnic cleansing in any country, that alone would be met with automatic suspicion. People really are paranoid creatures.

I believe in a righteous God but having consciousness within the cruel confines of Time seems like an unusually cruel fate.

>>21394822
If someone hands me $100, that benefited me, period. It allows me the power get things I want. It's a different question whether the things I want benefit me or not, but giving me money at least empowers me to make that decision. It benefits me, period.

>>21394832
Fuck I hate phone posting

>>21394826
yeah, i get this all the time too, it reminds me of when i was a young child and i’d have these sort of knee-jerk reactions to anything anybody said, in that way it can be kinda endearing.. maybe ?

>>21394832
>If someone hands me $100, that benefited me, period.
You can't prove that.

>>21394228
Can we nail down a point in time where society or what bastardized husk remains of it, abandoned and demonized the past and the idea of looking back for future guidance. "The past is racist and full of bigots" "just a bunch of white people killing each other". I went to B&N a few weeks ago, mostly to browse, and I was agape at how commercialized and the way modern literature reflects the current state of media and society in general. "This Book is anti-racist" dozens and dozens of books adorned with the opinion of some chimp or celebrity with an IQ of less than 75 telling me how to "succeed in life" Maybe I'm at the point in my life where I'm bitter and angry that mindless waste of paper like these become the norm and aren't cast into a fire and locked away never to offend the eyes of those who would dare look

>>21394839
>ben·e·fit
/ˈbenəfit/
noun
benefit; plural noun: benefits
1.
an advantage or profit gained from something.

Can you figure out the rest for yourself?

>>21394849
Yes, that is a definition, one you will never be able to prove in the real world, because everything is tied up by a chain of influences and potencies. Your example about being able to "do whatever you want" with the money is simply false, because you are already predisposed to spend the money in a given set of configurations based upon your pre-existing personality and desires.

>>21394837
I feel like there really was a point where suddenly a switch went off in my brain the past two years and my thinking changed drastically.
Compared to when I was younger I'm more capable of detaching from my ego & less emotional.
I'm only 22 and am still young and suggestible in certain ways, but I'm less so than when I was younger.
From 18-21 practically anything could easily move me or get me mad even just irrelevant stuff online..
Now even if I see a political meme online that I disagree with I don't really feel angry. It's just like "oh there that is"
People below a certain age should not be allowed to participate in political discourse.

>>21394843
completely agree anon, it’s almost as if it’s all just pumped out by an AI, simulacrum upon simulacrum, vanity upon vanities, it’s just utter banality.

>>21394853
>an advantage or profit
>$100
>profit
>gives the advantage of letting "me", to whatever extent my ability to make decisions exist, and to whatever extent I exist (u prolly say i cant prove that either), to decide to get a hot meal, for example,
>the hot meal stabilizes my bio system and allows me to live another day
>advantage
>even if i go buy drugs
>i had the freedom to make the decision that seemed most advantageous at that time - getting nice and high
you don't have a leg to stand on

Black women are attractive because they aren't boring as fuck, white women are all frigid and entitled

>>21394864
here's one with a hot ass

>>21394857
It feels like the average citizen (least in freedomland) is unable to appreciate the past and what remains of it. I couldn't tell you how many of my classmates would rather read recycled garbage manufactured for mass consumption than something worth their while. The Young Adults section alone was like 3 back to back shelfs, and the manga section was almost 2 (Not that I have a problem with manga in general) I feel like I have an odd and sometimes boring outlook on things for my age (22) but maybe I'm being too harsh on myself

>>21394250
Then you're a bad friend.

>>21394869
But how do you know? Can you prove his attitude is not beneficial to his group of friends?

>>21394228
A heart-warming photo, OP. Nice stuff.

I was just thinking about the writing-to-IQ translator. It's such a fun tool, but I wish it were more accurate. It seems to perform poorly on poetry, and be far too easily influenced by vocabulary, and format. I've put in various bits of my writing and gotten IQs from 79 to 146 - far too large a range. Additionally, some of the easier writing was ranked more highly, while stuff I hard at was ranked below average. Besides, could a 79 IQ person even conceive of putting their writing into an IQ translator? Are they even capable of thinking abstractedly enough to understand what IQ is? Even so, it's a fun toy. I hope it gets better.

>>21394870
Do you not understand what a racist, White Nationalist is? Of course I could prove it, but to waste my time proving something obvious for your sake isn't worth it. Figure it out.

>>21394864
Nonsense. One of the best things about having different kinds of women on the Earth are the variety of temperaments and appearances. We can have women of equal intelligence, integrity, and hotness - even homogenized culturally, yet we men would still have a plethora of scenery and behaviors to observe and enjoy. It's truly like being in a garden full of flowers. Praise God for women, and God bless them.

Now, I'll hear no more bashing of women of any kind from you, lad. Stay your tongue!

I dislike intensely The Brothers Karamazov and the ghastly Crime and Punishment rigamarole. No, I do not object to soul-searching and self-revelation, but in those books the soul, and the sins, and the sentimentality, and the journalese, hardly warrant the tedious and muddled search. Dostoyevsky’s lack of taste, his monotonous dealings with persons suffering with pre-Freudian complexes, the way he has of wallowing in the tragic misadventures of human dignity – all this is difficult to admire. I do not like this trick his characters have of ”sinning their way to Jesus” or, as a Russian author, Ivan Bunin, put it more bluntly, ”spilling Jesus all over the place."Crime and Punishment’s plot did not seem as incredibly banal in 1866 when the book was written as it does now when noble prostitutes are apt to be received a little cynically by experienced readers. Dostoyevsky never really got over the influence which the European mystery novel and the sentimental novel made upon him. The sentimental influence implied that kind of conflict he liked—placing virtuous people in pathetic situations and then extracting from these situations the last ounce of pathos. Non-Russian readers do not realize two things: that not all Russians love Dostoevsky as much as Americans do, and that most of those Russians who do, venerate him as a mystic and not as an artist. He was a prophet, a claptrap journalist and a slapdash comedian. I admit that some of his scenes, some of his tremendous farcical rows are extraordinarily amusing. But his sensitive murderers and soulful prostitutes are not to be endured for one moment—by this reader anyway. Dostoyevsky seems to have been chosen by the destiny of Russian letters to become Russia’s greatest playwright, but he took the wrong turning and wrote novels.

>>21394250
This is just normal, I am a white nationalist and I don't hate anyone or think anyone is inferior to me so I have diverse friends

>>21394891
You can't prove something is or isn't beneficial. Everything is tied up by a chain of influences and potencies. You are already predisposed to spend the money in a given set of configurations based upon your pre-existing personality and desires.

Dudes been making his series explaining hegel for 8 years. got to respect the grind. Pretty sure only the final chapter is next

>>21394903
Of course you can. Good grief, too many normies are on this board now.

>>21394906
This board disagrees with me when I say you can prove it, this board disagrees with me when I say you can't prove it, it's almost like this place is a contrary opinion simulator and I'm screaming into a void

Don't get mad at me, get mad at this retard i was arguing with 10 minutes ago >>21394853

>>21394860
You don't understand what you're saying. None of this proves that being given $100 is necessarily an advantage or a benefit.

The worst part is wondering how you’ll find the strength tomorrow to go on doing what you did today and have been doing for much too long, where you’ll find the strength for all that stupid running around, those projects that come to nothing, those attempts to escape from crushing necessity, which always founder and serve only to convince you one more time that destiny is implacable, that every night will find you down and out, crushed by the dread of more and more sordid and insecure tomorrows. And maybe it’s treacherous old age coming on, threatening the worst. Not much music left inside us for life to dance to. Our youth has gone to the ends of the earth to die in the silence of the truth. And where, I ask you, can a man escape to, when he hasn’t enough madness left inside him? The truth is an endless death agony. The truth is death. You have to choose: death or lies. I’ve never been able to kill myself.

>>21394908
We aren't talking about the entire chain of consequence. We're talking about whether a singular thing is good or bad for the individuals in his circle.

The holocaust was a catalyst which drove many Jews to the Holy Land, as were the pogroms of Russia. Does this mean the Holocaust was a good thing for Jews? You see what I mean? We can very clearly and definitively say the Holocaust was a bad thing for each and every Jew who died in those camps. Any alternative argument would of necessity take up positions arguing death was in someway beneficial to them. And the fact that each and every position can be argued does not mean you cannot prove something an evil, or unbeneficial - it merely proves Plato's position - that Reason is subserviant to the Rational Man when Just, and to the Irrational Man when Unjust. The phenomenon would merely be the manifestation of the Philosophic character versus the Sophistic character; not the absence of certitude.

That's like arguing Pi doesn't denote a circle because it is infinite. It has no purpose beyond rhetoric.

>>21394920
For the reasons I stated earlier, being given money is an advantage and/or a profit. You haven't done anything to refute my argument, you've simply said "no its totally not because like you're predisposed toward certain tendencies psychologically"

>>21394228
Reading Von Hartmann right now. Apparently he was a big influence on Sigmund Freud

>>21394923
So earning material gain is an entire chain of consequences, but something as nebulous as the effects of an attitude in inter-personal relations is just a single thing? Go fuck yourself.

>>21394932
I'm very sorry you're an idiot, man. There's nothing I can do for you. Just stop talking to me, and go figure it out on your own, you damn tool.

>>21394936
>earning $100 = entire chain of consequences
>having an attitude in a circle of friends = just a single thing
You can't see your error, and yet you call me an idiot

>>21394936
Maybe his supremacist ideology was a gateway to self improvement for someone who resented his friend's attitude. See, I too can pull bullshit out of my ass to justify something being good/bad

>>21394928
He influenced a lot of people, Steiner too. You see his name come up in weird places

>>21394867
I was in much the same social situation at 22, I was feeling isolated from my peers and the world around me, so I moved to another country and found it wonderfully eye opening.

>>21394818
>Now you got ME sperging out. Do you see what you've done?
May every loaf of bread you open have exactly one or two small, hard, stale bits in the crust.

>>21394822
>>21394832
>>21394839
During the late 19th and early 20th century these kinds of problems become quite pronounced. A lot of things that were once taken for granted are now doubted simply because they can't be empirically proven. Philosophers like Nietzsche or any other nihilist (very broadly speaking, a la Fr. Srph. Rose's use of the term) clearly don't feel comfortable saying things like "it is just cause... it is, okay?" because it's a "pseud" thing to do. They built philosophical copes(not their entire philosophy, but certainly many components) around this problem because they very clearly felt strong moral drives but were unable to express it in the contemporary intellectual climate.
I don't really care about that shit because I've gone through the whole rigmarole of copes around rational morality and it's just that; a shitty cope. There are three paths available at the end game of philosophy:
>1. Eternal Cope of fake ethical systems to justify the morality you hold irrationally
>2. Incomplete systems that will get "btfo'd" once someone figures out the spot in which you inserted your unproven assumption.
>3. Accepting the pseud-dom and appeal to a higher unprovable and "irrational" "principle."
I pick the last option because it's objectively true. I cannot prove objective morality but it is just cause... it is, okay? I believe in God, I believe we have souls, and I believe that it is possible to intuit good and evil to some degree even if it cannot be rationally explained.
Now you've obtained yet another batch of autismal pseud spergout. It would take a fucklong time for me to lay out all of the justifications for each of the statements I'll have to make, so I won't even try. I'll may write some basic things that outline what I believe or I may get distracted shitposting all day. However, I'll outline some things:
>1. Desire is evil. Why? Because humans do not "deserve" anything. When you desire, you covet that which you do not deserve, or you assume you deserve that which you do not.
>2. Any act which is intended to benefit the self at the expense of another is evil. Why? Because... because it just is okay?
>3. An act is objectively good or evil based on how in alignment it was with the will of God(or whatever you want to see as the universal truth).
>4. We may not know the ultimate results of our actions, and ignorance is what preserves innocence.
>5. Normies cannot understand suffering, pain, good, and evil. They are innocent and virtually good due to their ignorance.
>6. Cynics, people who understand these things, are almost always evil and NEVER innocent. This is because it is nearly impossible to avoid coveting that which is not deserved, and they are not shielded by ignorance from the corrupting effect of harming another person.
>7. This post is at the limit and

>>21394923
That's exactly what I was saying... I wasn't talking about a chain of consequences, I was talking about earning $100, simple as. You said you can't prove somehting benefits or harms, which is a horse shit argument and could be used the same way in the white nationalist argument, you fucking mouth breathing retard normalfaggot.

>>21394957
I don't know who you think I am, but I'm not that person schizo, and I didn't waste anytime reading your past arguments. Do you think I care about you? Now fuck off.

My child can't sleep and we are watching The Santa Clause while I try to make him sleep.

>>21394905
haha is that Dr Gregory Sadler ?! His youtube videos are so useful, but i prefer pic rel, Sugrue chad reporting in.

>>21394961
>makes an incomprehensible argument
>calls other people schizo
You need to take your meds

>>21394961
>enters a conversation
>doesn't bother to understand context
absolute garbage

>>21394967
Do you not even remember talking to me without provocation? Are you literally high right now, you fucking loon?!

>>21394970
>literally
>LITERALLY
Holy shit Anon this is a fucking book club, and you don't even use literally the right way. You need to get your shit together.

>>21394957
>>21394961
>>21394964
>>21394967
>>21394970
This is just an asian basketball playing court. Why you have to be so mad?

>>21394228
How do you guys in marriages here know if you love the other person? I don't understand this word, or what it is supposed to signify. If she is skinny and can do taxes I could probably live "happy" for decades with her. Is that love? Idk

>>21394972
Ok, I'm done with you. Fuck this board is turning into a fusion of /b/ and /pol/.

>>21394228
Do most anons here live alone? At what age did you move out and start affording your life individually?

>>21394975
I'm actually quite glad. Glad to see you, Anon. =^)

>>21394978
okie, bye, nice talking to you, retard

>>21394977
Love is something more anon. I'm not married though, so you may not want to hear it from me, but I understand what you're talking about too. I think it's sentiment like that which made arranged marriages feasible and practical.

>>21394977
Love is when you'd help someone else for no benefit to yourself. This sounds like advocacy for cringe-cuck-simpery, but if you love someone you would be willing to gain nothing from the relationship and help them in any way whatsoever. You would be willing to put aside your lust if it would make her truly happy, or even to die if needs be. Obviously this is ideal, and in the modern world you will be torn the fuck up and destroyed for being so naive.
The closer you are to "unconditional love" and the desire to help someone, the more you love them.

>>21394569
LOL you are wasting your time
What are you, Edgar Allan Poe or some shit?
There is nothing beautiful about unrequited love
While you're daydreaming at the window thinking about your love she's probably being pounded without even a second thought of you
For your sake, please consider moving on and finding a love that is mutual so that you can be happy

why was >>21394642 deleted
just because the jannies are dysgenic nazi basement-dwellers doesn't mean all the posters are as well

>>21394569
To right the unrightable wrong...
To love, pure and chaste from afar....

https://youtu.be/ZxpMe_bF1Sc


don't listen to this anon >>21394994... he's a faggot

>>21395000
what did it say?

>jannies
>nazis
If only...

>>21394957
isn’t anon just reiterating Hume’s Is-Ought problem, namely you cant derive a normative truth (an ought) from a state of affairs (an is) because states of affairs are matters-of-fact, and matters-of-fact are a posteriori, and a posteriori truths are contingent and particular, whereas moral truths are relations amongst ideas, and so are a priori, necessary and universal ?

>>21395001
In real life these sort of "romantic" fantasies are nothing more than a pathetic waste of time
Why should that anon get lost in their unrequited love?

once upon a winters afternoon as I was walking in the Isle of Grain
I saw an ailing poltroon and I crouched down, for it was lame,
"i'm busy, ever busy," is what it said as it was laying
beside the line to Port Victoria, and it was gently saying,
"the blaggards don't know what they do
they have no faith in the here-beyond,
i fear my ideological muse is through,"
and it made for the nearby pond,

"you wish for me to drown you?" i exclaimed, coming over bright,
for t'was my fondest wish to do so, be it out of mercy or out of spite,

"yes, pick me up," the poltroon cried, "and take me to still-water,
for i'm done entirely with my good works," and i bit my fist to stifle laughter,

ah, the martyrdom complex, indeed, i recognized it well,
for, what was it, "well-meaning things," about "the road that led to hell,"

I knelt down proper-like and I took the poltroon in my arms,
I kissed it on its forehead whispering, "you'll do no more harms,
where you are going, frenzied one, e'er terror'd by thy shadows,"
and I hauled it up and threw it hard across the snowy barrows,

and it wailed, oh it wailed, as it revolve'd in the chill,
shrieking and all wailing like, plopped in the water, still.

fin.

>>21395010
The problem was his inconsistency. He applied that logic to the $100, but not to white nationalism which his programming dictates must be objectively bad whether or not objectively bad can exist

>>21394993
>>21394986
This seems very naive and romantic. It is a historical fact that most of our ancestors were, by modern standards, conceived of rape or by coercion equal to rape.

>>21395020
I say anon, good show good show.

>>21395031
Not this again

>>21394963
I like him quite a bit

>>21395035
Lmao
>>21395031
Begin the fucking spergout my nigger

>>21395035
>>21395041
I am just saying this love thing what you two speak of sounds very modern invention. Do you think some roman farmer had these thoughts in his mind? I doubt.

> b-b-but you are not roman!

on all levels except temporal, i am a roman

>>21395031
I've been seeing a new kind of fallacy lately that's not unlike an appeal to nature. People like the now disgraced Liver King say that because our distant ancestors were hunter-gatherers, your optimal diet would reflect that of hunter gathers. This is ignoring, of course, the 15,000 years of evolution that certain racial groups went through since the advent of agriculture, and the fact that these particular racial groups would surely have an optimal diet different than their hunter-gatherer ancestors. You're making the same mistake here, Anon.

>>21395042
Yeah I do. Just like today it probably wasn't feasible, but I nonetheless believe that the Romans idealized love in the same way, as you can tell from thee poetry and literature of classical romans and greeks. Peasants were a lot more hardy and "practical" but these ideal concepts were merely repressed by the roughness of their lives.

>>21395045
So did our hunter-gatherer ancestors love? If not, why not? When and where did love grace them?

If our hunter-gather ancestors did love, is love something that changes its meaning through time? So their love was rape and is was all up and up, and ours is "unconditional simp-cuckery" as some anon says? Then who defines the love, and why should I accept their definitions?

I was only thinking of back to like, pre19th century not back to hunter-gatherers. But we are not any closer for me understanding what this thing is.

>>21395052
Romans idealized love, or Romans idealized it *like you*?
The former I can entertain even when I do not believe it, but the latter I cannot.

>>21395058
I think you should try re-reading my post. This is a literature board, yet you have the reading comprehension of a 2nd grader.

>>21395064
Every culture idealizes love in a slightly different way, dipshit, not to mention your love/rape false dichotomy

>>21395071
>Every culture idealizes love in a slightly different way

My culture is then if she is skinny and can do taxes, that's my ideal love. Thank you anon for helping me out, I know my feelings now.

>>21395075
I'm glad. Remember, a woman is someone who identifies as a woman.

>>21395064
Bro, you can't see the transcendent and selfless qualities of love in works such as the Iliad? Penelope's tireless wait- Odysseus refusing all manner of mortal comforts and riches along the way, beautiful women, Nymphs, etc, all to meet Penelope again?
Humans may be imperfect and largely incapable of ideal love, but nonetheless that transcendent Love is something we can intuit.

That Ally Law guy on youtube who breaks into places and stays overnight or climbs shit with parkour would have been Ernst Junger in another life, some men are just built for crazy shit, the variety of human types is amazing and regular exposure to it can remind you how diverse humanity really is

This guy in a war would be some crazy Lt. Speirs from Band of Brothers type. Instead he's a zoomer who breaks into shit for fun.

>>21395058
read some levi-strausse if you are actually interested. there are interesting accounts about relationships in 'primitive' south american tribes. i think some of the behaviour matches up to what we would call love. same with romans, read some ovid or propertius, it is very similar to modern western love in certain respects

>>21395021
ah, now i understand the latter half of your comment, makes sense anon.

>>21395080
Shit, not the Iliad, the Odyssey. Forgive my retardation.

>>21395080
You have to understand anon that I am stone cold.

>>21395003
>>/lit/thread/S21394642#p21394642

>>21395031
Hell my recent ancestors were rape babies

>>21395084
>'primitive'
>in quotes
i mean, in some ways, they're literally more advanced than us

>>21395096
yes, adapted for different things.

>>21395089
It's okay anon, you can let it all out. I love you and want you to be happy.

>>21395093
germans and soviets got bit out of control heh

>>21395102
like eating bugs and living in the mud

>>21395104
No no, this was just basic Irish village shenanigans

>>21395106
yes they adapted to survive in one of the most hostile environments in the world

>>21395109
sorry about that then, at least krauts and soviets made big, smart rape babies

>>21394901
What do you think of Tolstoy?

>>21395111
surviving in hostile environments, like when they walked on the moon? oh, wait...

>>21394901
Crime and Punishment ends at the moment the guy does the deed when given the opportunity like an animal driven only by instinct. That's it. You can stop reading there. That's the big whooped doopey and then it just fucking goes on an don odnnasdj0 zzzz.z....

>>21395120
if you are only talking about technology then yes some parts of the world have more technology than others.

>>21395120
>industrial society is... LE GOOD!
drink as much onions as you want my litttle friend. You need a lifetime supply.

>>21395143
Are people like you for real or are you just this way because there are gay people on TV now?

>>21395140
>>21395143
>baiting for (you)s in a shop-vac emporium
we all need to get a life. how old are you two? 35?

>>21395151
i can't see images so i actually thought he was agreeing sincerely at first

>>21395147
Oh if only you knew.
>>21395151
I'm 76+-90 years old little guy.

>>21394980
No

>>21394980
I moved out at 30.

>>21394228
I want to do it. I can imagine every detail of doing it. I would put my will in triplicate, one in an inconspicuous tote bag that I carry with me when I go, one on top of my desk, one in a safe at the post office. Each would contain a note apologizing to the conductor. I know who I would give my money too. The will is written, I only need it notarized. I would go in the morning, when the person I live with has just gone to work and I have plenty of time, and I would call an Uber. It would cost a lot, but that doesn’t matter. I would wear a hood, preferably my rain jacket, to contain the insides of my head and I would buy a ticket to the next city. I would carry a picture of the person I want to see and I would look at it while I wait. I would walk along the track away from the platform. When I could hear the train in the distance, I would run to the far side of the track. I would put my head on the rail and my body on the inside of the tracks so that it will not be flung to the side.

>>21395031
Thank God, not mine, but even if yours were, you don't have to continue that lineage of degeneracy, anon.

>>21395000
Truly, the jannies are braindead Nazis. Do you not see how many /pol/ threads they tolerate nowadays? /Lit/ was of such greater stuff in the past, now it's slowly turning into spillover for /b/ and /pol/ just like the other boards.

The sad truth of it all - none of this would be happening if porn weren't common place.

>>21394975
You realize only two of those are actually me, right schizo?

>>21395207
Can't tell if you're being sarcastic or not

/lit/ janitors are better than any other board, by far

>>21395212
>thinks it's all about him

>>21394843
I'm a man with an IQ of 157. I was going to give you a serious reply, but you're racist, so you don't deserve one, even though the problem you're highlighting is real, but since you're part of the reason for it, you deserve it.

>>21395178
anon, no, c’mon. It’s only once you decide that suicide isn't an option that you can truly begin to live, think about that anon.

>>21395218
IQ tests on the internet aren't accurate, anon, sorry to tell you

>>21395178
Life's shit anon. Even when there are things that are pleasurable, the inevitability of catastrophe or the impossibility of attaining what we desire most overshadows what little can be extracted in the now.
But there is a way out of the mess, the life that you live now, and it doesn't include killing yourself. You will one day be able to achieve a meaningful death, and not just lie down like a worm overtaken by society. Survive anon. Yeah, you don't give a shit about survival. Why survive when there's no point? Still, survive. People care about you, and you, YOU can become something meaningful.

>>21395218
extreme cringe

>>21395207
i think i angered em! a bit of a pleasure, this board ha become a beacon for the zombified mind, the subdued spirit, tha clutter tha fills th'place brings me ta tears, it usedta be filled with depthy talk, dive and ne'er touch bottom what could be now but disappointmen und drear, no fun, no writers stalk, she's ugler than the outtards o oystars
what talent that's left is a butter pat spread too thin over a mile of toast, she's a depressing sight, to be sure. it's not just the janitor's fault, it's those figures laid waste to her, treated her like a wizened spouse, trampled her once pulchritud'nous spaces down to naught. i blame that rogue butterfly, that was the coming of the end, now's all that's left is the stench of a cigar screwed into the tray and left to smoulder

>>21395219
>>21395225
Well, maybe not for a while anyway. I don’t know. I’ll see what happens. I appreciate it.

>>21394228
testing

>>21395214
Yes, that's true. It doesn't mean they aren't of worse quality than in the past.

>>21395221
I'm aware.

>>21395227
Beautiful. I'll raise a glass - even if you said it in jest. You've earned it.

>>21395227
rather great wee polemic that

I do not want to visit my parents or my brother. I refuse to bring my own negativity into their lifes. They're better off without me.

One thing that is kind of starting to cohere for me is that so many people don't know what love is.

Like, I think that is the big problem with the modern world. A lack of love. We have lust, and we have kind feelings, but love seems so foreign from us. Real love, I mean.

And I don't think you can function as as complete human without real love. I think love isn't being shared as much as it used to be: not between parents and children, not between couples, not between friends. I think there is a dearth of love in the modern world, and it unsettles me.

>>21394445
Beauty is empty

>>21395508
Little could be less true. A man on a literature board should have the wits to know it!

>>21395512
What is true?

>>21395495
What is love according to you?

>>21395513
Of fuck. You're that same schizo. You post too much faggot, and never anything intelligent.

>>21395550
Love is the desire to know

>>21395576
Triggered

>>21395579
As in other person? But that's curiosity

>>21394230
Just don't. Protect and detach yourself from them. They let the overlords in their mind and therefore are part of them now. You have to hide your powerlevel, protect your secret knowledge and do your work.

>>21395637

There is a light that never turns on

>>21394228
Pretty sure that couple is staying at the hotel I’m at right now
The child was supremely mutted lmao

It is exhausting trying to walk the line of being normie yet aloof. Normie enough to avoid rocking the boat, but also forgettable and frictionless enough that other people don't try to be your friend and invite you to their shit.

It's like a kind of conversational Akido, people try to get to know you and instead of outright resisting you redirect the conversation. You fill up time and make it seem like you are giving an answer but all the time you never let them get closer to you.

I want AI artistry to improve just so that career artists are taken down a peg. Their arrogance seriously fucks with me.

Lately I've been struggling with a lot of bourgeois guilt. It's not something I think is a big issue until I get drunk and then I start pouring out all these confused guilty feelings that nobody else understands. It all started when I got my first full time job in the public service. My parents are working class but wannabe middle class and I got a bursary to go to a private school so all my friends are very wealthy and that's very much my milieu these days. All my success wracks me with guilt and while it's really not a big deal I don't know anyone that can sympathise with me. When I try to explain the confusion that I feel I am met with blank stares and I am struck by the fact that I'm not explaining myself well.

>>21394228
I always wondered how people felt and what did they do when a disruptive technology came like cars, printing press, steam engine, ….

now I live in a similar time, after those technology change how we live and operate, who will AI change how we live, is it for the better ? I hope so, but I don't think it will.
Besides non of those older technology change the human condition for the better, I would argue

>>21395813
This is how I feel in the workplace, you don't want to reveal too much of your real personality because it creates friction. When you do give a little personality people aren't quite sure how to respond. And not like I'm saying 4chan shit. But for example I said recently I dont like Tom Hanks and it was like I was a mental patient. I don't give a shit if you do like Tom Hanks, I was just sharing an opinion, but the conversation stalled because it wasn't what people expected to hear. So in the future if I have an opinion that isn't ultra normie I just won't share it so things go more smoothly I guess. It is exhausting.

I'm getting slowly better at organising my life. I wish I had a girlfriend though, but I'm too picky. I had the girl of my dreams and I lost her, and now no one compares to her. Girls I might have dated 5 years ago I now reject, because I know I'd be wasting their time. But I am awfully lonely. I've got to figure something out.

I feel destined to end up with an average looking girl of nice Irish heritage like myself

>>21394265
>>21394310
>BPD
>No you must be ignoring the facts of the moment if you think I'm anything negative
I swear people who wind up like this never got past the toddler stage of lying where they tell howling porkers and are so perplexed other people can tell that doesn't sync with reality. I know this argument probably goes on for days and I'm only on the first line of your second post. Get professional help.

I'm back in my childhood bedroom for Christmas. It's less than 10m from a train line that runs all night. My sleep was so bad that at one point I went to the psych ward due to sleep deprivation.

I'm surrounded by so much resentment in my life. I never realised how utterly bitter and cynical my friends were until recently. I don't like the way it influences me.

>>21395939
>Their arrogance seriously fucks with me.
To be fair if you made a career out of art you basically have the business instincts of a mobster and the sleep schedule of a self medicating game dev, they're earning their arrogance. You just want to hand the same thing to a machine who doesn't have to do a 90 hour week in spite of being in a fleshbody. I think you're just ashamed you never made your fleshbody work like that. I'd frown at you but the drugs are kicking in and I have to go to a 3d rendering thing

>>21396103
Same but Im the one whos being cynical, negativistic and bitter.

>>21394228
life has been a miserable for me. shame humiliation, rejection, being tortured with knowledge and being unable to act or do anything. everything seems fake and hollow and gay. having blonde hair and blue eyes has been a curse for me my whole life. no one has taken me seriously, ever. i was abused and neglected my whole life. i never mattered to anyone and god is punishing me for some reason

i want to strangle all kikes to death. people with wealth, power, influence use it to gain more and prevent the little guy from succeeding. "taxes" are a fake mafia conspiracy. i want it to die every day. i fantasize about getting revenge on people that wronged me through my life, then i remember the pointlessness of it all. all i do is masturbate eat shit and wait to to die. i have no purpose. this world has no point

I read a prophecy about world war three from an Orthodox monk which he spoke over twenty years ago.
He said that the forces of Jewish globalism who wish to eradicate Christianity from the earth will first target Greece. They will send Turkish immigrants to Greece to turn the Orthodox country into a Muslim country. Russia will not tolerate this and they will send troops into Turkey. The Jews with their globalist armies will then enter Turkey to fight against the Russians. An angel will appear and he will put the globalist armies into a state of madness. For three days they will kill each other in their madness. Then after three days, the survivors will ask "Why have we done this?" and return to their home countries.
He says that there will be a huge resurgence of Orthodox Christianity not only in Russia, but in fact throughout the entire world, and this will last for about three to four decades.
After this, the time of the Antichrist and the end of the world will begin.
This was his prophecy.

older brother just spoke to me with ebonics and it kind of ruined my day. i get it, you're just a zoomer adjacent millennial trying to be ultra casual. but it's still kind of sad and, spoiler alert, niggerish

>>21396385
If he knew what you were really like he wouldn't speak to you at all

>>21396103
It's easy to fall into that trap. It doesn't come with a warning sign or anything. Don't beat yourself up, it's not your fault. Just be self aware of your emotional states and don't be afraid to speak your mind to those friends. If they don't want to give you more positive energy, then maybe you have to walk away.

>>21396089
Do you have any earplugs? I find they can help, and there are also apps that you can use on your computer to generate things like 'rain on tent' if that can help.

>>21394228
threw his genes to the trash bin in exchange for fabela looking moots. An other victory of Sigmund Von Goldscmitt

I wonder why janny deleted this thread?
>>/lit/thread/S21393070

>>21396462
English isn't a literary language, mon coco .

>>21394817
Consider suicide. Who wins in this evil act? Yeah, nobody, but people still call it evil. You could argue that suicide is not evil, but you better don't

>>21394252
There's no such people. There's no normies and there's no NPCs. There are only people. You, my friend, have the main character syndrome. Get off your high horse of autism and look around. You will see people with rich lives and minds full of thoughts.

>>21394250
My grandfather was quite racist but he got along well with his non-white neighbors and seemed to genuinely like some of them.

>>21394228
Cirrhosis of the heart

>>21396645
>pic
lol, we have a saying that there's nothing that Russian couldnt drink, Chinese couldnt eat or doesnt have a jewish surname.

>>21396682
Where do you get off implying that I should be in bed?

>>21396683
>or doesnt have a jewish surname.
I don't get it.

>>21396700
hell yeah, somebody knows it. it's big jim's best album isn't it?

>>21396712
there are jews everywhere

A very long list of evidence that Jordan Peterson is controlled opposition, which you will find is quite undeniable if you look at the facts objectively without letting your emotion cloud your judgement:
>worked for the UN under George Soros
>is friends with the feminist and pedo supporter Camille Paglia
>shilled for the covid vaccine
>refuses to talk about the book 200 Years Together by Alexander Solzhenytsin
>made a video to Christians telling them what to do, and even made another one for Mohammedans, but not one for Jews
>works for Ben Shapiro who openly supports mass immigration to America and Europe (but not Israel) and also shills for the covid vaccine
>hates white tribalism but loves Jewish tribalism
>tells his white supporters to be "less white"
>has given a speech for Trilateral Commission
>has Bolshevik Communist propaganda pictures in his home
>has performed a Masonic ritual wearing a mask sort of like Eyes Wide Shut
>despite criticizing postmodernism, he often makes very postmodernist talking points such as "What even is white anyway?" and "What do we mean by truth?" and has defined truth as evolutionary adaptation for survival
>agreed to use tranny pronouns
>supports feminism (maybe an older kind like first wave or whatever, but still feminism regardless)

>>21396790
he's canadian, we get it.

>>21394358
shut up virgin. go outside and get some pussy.

p.s. i ain't reading all that shit

>>21396298
why do all these prophecies involve anglos appearing? we're not that great, you know. granted, we kind of are, Dave from the pub could probably solve the israel/palestine problem in a few minutes, but even so. You people should fix your own problems. It's pitiable to be honest.

>>21396385
for shizzles negrette? dayum.

>>21396393
i am his older brother. our entire family knows what he's like.

>>21394977
Love is not adequacy. Love is something renewed each day upon interaction with the person. Even if they do something that hurts you (within reason) you find that love is still renewed even if you resist it. I truly believe foibles are the constant renewer.

>>21394250
That's because you're the bottom of the barrel of your trash race.

We may be pawns to society but we still have to do our part

>>21396790
You're bad at thinking.

> become muslim
>think my thinking won't change
>stop being muslim
>have an antisemitic view of jews
I know muslims won't admit they're antisemitic but this is as much proof of inquiry as possible right?

>>21396856
Love is like a pair of hands choking at your neck
whilst you're comatose after surgery; paraplegic and a wreck,

Your lover did all this to you so that she could somehow grab
a single speck of semen for a baby with no dad,

Why, the gaunt objectification that goes on in a Womans head
is what goes on with you wake to her and realize you'd be happier if dead.

Know this lesson and reject it, thou manchild of naive ideals
you'll learn it much like your own father, amidst the sound of horrid squeals
coming from the mouth and bellows of your tender infant child
dripping out like a heavy sponge the lies it soaked up from the idle
gossiping and musings from your former lover, oh,
each one calculated to wit the seeds of hatred sew,

his moma comes a cropper in her over confidence
her lies just more aggrandized as they come to her hell-sent,
a husk and hollowed emptied she finds herself online
to carry along her delusions for a few more drops of time,

come maturity, that ragged dog, it snarls and goes to pounce
but upon your flesh it recognizes its long misbegot enfants...

"father?" you ask it, your manchild fingers reaching out,
"why, yes," it may reply, if your posture be as stout
and recognizable to fathers maw as progeny much like its own:
this christmas time, ye wolf cubs, pick up the telephone.

fin.

>>21396856
Love is like a pair of hands choking at your neck
whilst you're comatose after surgery; paraplegic and a wreck,

Your lover did all this to you so that she could somehow grab
a single speck of semen for a baby with no dad,

Why, the gaunt objectification that goes on in a Womans head
is what goes on when you wake to her and realize you'd be happier if dead.

Know this lesson and reject it, thou manchild of naive ideals
you'll learn it much like your own father, amidst the sound of horrid squeals
coming from the mouth and bellows of your tender infant child
dripping out like a heavy sponge the lies it soaked up from the idle
gossiping and musings from your former lover, oh,
each one calculated to wit the seeds of hatred sew,

his moma comes a cropper in her over confidence
her lies just more aggrandized as they come to her hell-sent,
a husk and hollowed emptied she finds herself online
to carry along her delusions for a few more drops of time,

come maturity, that ragged dog, it snarls and goes to pounce
but upon your flesh it recognizes its long misbegot enfants...

"father?" you ask it, your manchild fingers reaching out,
"why, yes," it may reply, if your posture be as stout
and recognizable to fathers maw as progeny much like its own:
this christmas time, ye wolf cubs, pick up the telephone.

fin.

l dont love her like she loves me

>>21396897
not an argument

>>21395106
You will consume several pounds' worth of dead bugs, rat shit, fly eggs, and maggots over the course of your life, without even realizing it.

>>21396790
no one cares. go back

>>21396924
You, on the other hand, will realize it and at knife point savor the taste of every last morsel served to you as you sit bound to the kitchen table of some ghastly parody of your childhood. I will wear the mas of your grandmother and be all about you, whisking rotten flecks into a large ceramic bowl.

>>21396923
You wouldn't know. You don't understand how arguments work. No grasp on the simplest logic.
Someone does some things you agree with and some things you deeply disagree with so the obvious conclusion based on "le evidence" is the faggot is "controlled opposition" in some braindead us vs them game nobody is playing except you.
You're "controlled opposition". You're completely controlled by surface level memes which causes you to oppose anything slightly positive.

>>21396790
You're an evil rat.

>>21396968
>anything slightly positive
like HIV.

Damn your britches sir, you have said enough. Tis the healthy impulse of Man that you seek to undo.

>>21396914
Fucking grim but it was enjoyable read

>>21396872
>...he said as he typed in a white mans language

>>21396920
Do you love her less?

>>21396972
Jordan has no argument so he resorts to petty ad hominems such as this.
In this regard, he is quite similar to the left wing SJWs and Marxists that he sometimes (mildly) argues with. Both are controlled by emotion and cannot properly use logic. Both have a very effeminate mentality which prioritizes feelings and hysterics over truth. Someone with a clear and sober mind could easily demolish all their pitiful argumentation.

>>21397000
>Someone with a clear and sober mind could easily demolish all their pitiful argumentation.
Zizek?

>>21394228
My pic failed to provoke further discussion on interracial relationships.

>>21396790
You evil coward

>>21397006
No, he is a Marxist and thus does not possess a clear and logical mind.

>>21396973
The healthy man seeks reason and avoids emotional associative propaganda like you were just pushing.

>>21397000
>Jordan has no argument so he resorts to petty ad hominems such as this.
>In this regard, he is quite similar to the left wing SJWs and Marxists
i like this, you should do poetry sometime,anon,

Jurgen Bergenfernergenslurpen needs lambasting.

>>21397008
i thought it was supposed to be a gotcha, where the white man impregnates the negros sister after the negro impregnates the white mans girlfriend.

>>21397015
>reason and avoids emotional
these are just words you're repeating if you're using it to defend the emotional hysteric somehow. echolalia.

>you
there's 86 people in this thread, i was merely interjecting

>>21397008
>>21394228
Father Christmas came up my chimney and left me quite the bun,
why, it's a child of mixed race heritage - i'm sure it will be fun.

there

>>21397011
You devil!

>>21397041
Stop sullying this general!

>>21397046
what is sullied may never be UNsullied
ROMA INVICTA

>it's a schizo poltard episode
yawn. see ya!

Jay Dyer could annihilate Jordan Peterson in a debate.

>>21397055
>my eceleb could epically own your eceleb

i'm a degenerate wanna be goon.

but i'm not because you are.

i'm just devolved and anonymous desu.

fuck this lie.

i'm a mutilated animal really.

i rule all domains. i'm demonigh and i deserve salte in the wounde for making this post.
I deserve to have my genitalia rot and removed and brain stem cut in paralysis dei. I don't deserve a social life.
I now dissociate to jam all this obstructive clutter and destroy anyone that gets in my way.
I will pierce twice.
There won't be.
I'm malignant and enlightened, I'm the shit groveling infant of mother earth. You will never occur: Organism molecularly annihilated.

Under the dominion of
the hologrammatic projected hell's schemes

>>21397069
Unlike Peterson, Jay Dyer is extremely well read in philosophy, understands metaphysics and epistemology, has a much more coherent and clearly defined worldview, is far more specific with his terminology, and isn't a lukewarm pansy.

>>21397074
frgrtt mr trrrp

>>21397049
you dare interrupt the bloodsport, wretch.. you are premature in your words, wretch, for the petersen still draws breath as do his chosen assailants.

t'ain't over till it's over

My boyfriend says I love him more than he loves me. "I'm just not obsessed with you like you are with me."
>>21396920
Is this the same?

>>21397080
i wager a farthing that joachim dyer will tear petersens head from his neck in the first opening moments of the next games

fuuuuuuuuck wouldn't debate be so much simpler if the fuckers were killed honestly, no more pretending to have won. fauh

>>21394417
Oh my god who is she?

>>21394783
Nice writing anon. What writer are you inspired of? I like the style

>>21397115
Baroness Molly Tuffet of Great Yarmouth

>>21397074
learned the importance of grammar today folks lmaoHAHEeelmao grammaer matters!

went from 118 to this

does it? also, taking time to form denser structures more syntactically correct I guess

>>21394569
Why do you say "their". What's wrong with saying " her"? Are u gay?

Can't help it, I'll reassert my stance one last time.
>>21396080
>>21396820
>>21394372
These are ad hominems attacking my perceived character rather than the argument itself. And I'm not even close to BPD, I'm not impulsive, neurotic or any of that, at least not since I was a helpless teenager stealing and taking drugs, but then so is everyone. I've matured significantly since then, and act as needed, wherever needed, and I'm a calmer, more rational person with a positive disposition. I obviously don't espouse my beliefs openly in the real world, I'd be lynched, so it's not my fault for lying. And the guy calling me a virgin is a literal tard and probable incel, I've had numerous women wanting me, I was just schizoid and neurotic so I didn't act. But I don't even really care about that since I just want their bodies, plus knowing they wanted me is all the validation I need/needed. Remarking on friendships is a blatant lie, since I've charmed countless people over my life, but I'll confess I have gone into hermit mode for some time in a state of focus and commitment to my goals.
>>21394804
This is the first post in good faith, but there are some issues. When descanting on changing others, one has to remember how hard it is to change oneself, and it becomes obvious that changing others should take secondary precedence due to the innate hurdle of motivations, temperaments, and belief. I do have aims of changing the world, but in my image specifically. I especially desire to disprove once and for all that all lives are equal, and that instrumentality is in fact the way, and that the ends do justify the means. Anons will casually say "lol niggers", and the implied meaning is that they are of lesser worth because of their traits (criminality, low IQ, lazy). They implicitly agree with the meaning when it suits them, but deny when they encounter someone better to preserve the ego. I know I'm the best, so I won't stop until that ideal is fulfilled several times over. And that, friend, is my aim (as well as power over others and riches and sex).

In case people believe I'm a lazy, trolling retard, I've kept a journal logging some of my progress since the past few months for a number of reasons, and I was already diligent and hard working before. Documentation and reflection, has proven to me just how great I am, tenfold greater than what Raskolnikov ever could be.

i reproach datsu fate! fuck datsu feetsu

Starting a Ph.D. I'd be 30-31.

I shit my pants today
To see if I can shit
I used my poetic license
License to shit

>>21396977
I liked this comment. I like to think that's the overall impression people have.

>>21397141
hm. This may just be egoism, you know, are you able to actually do things in the real world? Imean, being slightly intellectually superior in a society of morons is objectively nothing without applying that brain to learning how to do .. well.. everything you can lol I mean practical: surgery, engineering, agriculture, etc. if you find yourself in this position then you've surely realized that it's pretty much up to you to do literally everything as others can't be relied upon.

I don't know what point you were making originally though, but you know. Don't waste yourself. You could be a Procurator someday.

I scavied up the hill of cans
bake'd beans and soupsies ands
i had in me hand a jagged blade
t'was the contents of the cans i craved,
"sweet master, careful," called my slave,
as i did scrabble; frothed and raged,

i tooketh up one tin can and then tooketh up another
i stabbed them open spilled their contents and tossed them 'side,
my brother,

"he craves the tabasco beans," said one slave to the next,
"they were manufactured 'fore the bombs fell," and he flexed,
"only fifty thousand e'er were made, delicious through and through,
why, if sweet master does no find them, what is sweet master, oh, to do?"

i cast aside my jagged piece of metal , used me teeth,
i broke the next can open and i sighed in sweet relief,
i roared aloud the sign of victory for i had come
to find the cherished can of beans, i'd done so for everyone.

centuries would pass and my hulking form would fade
but standing high in victors square was a colossus they had made
e'er tood i, idealised, imagined in gold plate,
holding high the can of beans that i had ate,

come gloriam, come victrix, come sororitas with oils,
lubricate this sacrament of thy lord and masters spoils.

>>21396981
They were okay before the 1700s.

I've ended up in the worst possible spot because I've somehow ended up in Academia, but my undergraduate GPA is bad enough that no reputable graduate program will accept me so I can't actually advance or do anything worthwhile in it and have no obvious exit opp.

>>21394252
I have this theory that in actuality, it's you, me and everyone else who thinks that he isn't "normies" is the actual normie - "incapable of perception of good, evil and the higher truth"

Ironically, why do you seek the truth? Why do you need to know the "good and evil"? Couldn't it be that the reason you look for answers is because it's you who doesn't know here. It's you who has been born ignorant, unlike supposed "normies", who didn't need to spend their life "searching for answers" since they were simply more intuitive at their birth and the supposed "truth" was an obvious realization the moment they grasp the concept and so they moved on living this meaningless life, with it's illusions of every emotion and passing moments.

Unlike you, who have been born with retarded intuition, couldn't grasp the true world that you have been thrown in and now, having this infinite voided inside you, substitute it with this ethernal quest for truth, because of its severity twisting it, as though it's not you who's ignorant here, but "they", creating and living in this world of elaborate webworks of supposed moralities and insights, almost as though hiding from the simple and absolute dreading truths of existence that, again, supposed normies had already surpassed, accepted and moved on in being true puppets that we are all meant to be.

>>21397132
Anon pls cmon

>>21397272
Real shit

>>21394791
Based take.
Sadly it still involves making it so that they don't carry their genes into the next generations.

>>21397280
Donna Tartt

>>21397080
They're both below undergrad.

>>21396593
>There's no such people. There's no normies and there's no NPCs. There are only people. You, my friend, have the main character syndrome. Get off your high horse of autism and look around. You will see people with rich lives and minds full of thoughts.
That misses the point, although I did wonder if my views were founded on egotism. It is true that to view oneself as "different" has an inherently egotistical character, but at some point one cannot ignore core differences in being or psychology. There is no egotism in accepting a truth, even if it places one at odds with the majority.
Perhaps you misunderstand. I am not superior to normies, I am not smarter, and I am not better. I am the same at best. The normies do live rich and full lives, and these lives are the things that need protecting. The problem is that normies cannot "predict" life or understand the suffering they are guaranteed to face. I have seen many normies in the throes of suffering exclaim "How could this happen to me?" "Why me?" "I'm such a good person, why?" All of these things highlight the ignorance of the normie. Someone like me could be stabbed in the sidewalk and I will only cry for the physical pain. The normie would feel betrayed, isolated, torn by the sudden cruelty that they could not predict. I've had one near death experience and one experience that would dox me, and during both the thoughts going through my mind were "Ah, I should have predicted this."
Maybe I am an egotistical narcissistic bastard. In that case I really have no hope, but I just can't stand to watch normies suffering. It's like an intrusive thought that never stops. My little brother could be destroyed the moment I'm not watching him. Random people that I met and liked could be killed at any moment, and their suffering would be far greater than one of physical pain alone.

There was this lightning storm with no thunder or rain. No one else at the party seemed to notice it. It was still early in the evening. Around 11pm when I looked off into the sky and noticed the clouds rearranging themselves in shapes one could easily associate with certain things.

So I sauntered off. Roof deck, climbed the steps and took a seat.

The veins wended like dna strands up and into the ears. The left eye had this periscope device on me like it was zooming in. The face grew bigger the longer I sat there. So I sat there and watched the face overtake the entirety of the sky as lightning bubbled or whatever I dunno the word right now.

Then my dad, “You don’t know what tech the government has.” So I got up and left the roof.

>pic related
I saw some clouds one night rearrange into this shape. Although the face I saw was a lot more Zerg-like less inter-dimensional imagery. This was before YouTube recommended Sewerslvt. I didn’t listen to or know about this artist before this. Can’t tell if it’s the government or the universe doing it’s bullshit again.

>>21397272
Maybe. But I regard the confusion and innocence of the normie as the defining characteristic of his lack of intuition. Better yet, if he can intuit good and evil, how can he still do evil without realizing he is evil?

>>21397446
Jay Dyer has a masters degree in philosophy.

I don't know why people are trying to destroy my identity by turning traits they praised about me in the first place against me, but they are.

Am I just on a conveyer belt of ego breaking? Why build someone up to break them down? Is this world so mechanicalized?

>>21397515
>turning traits they praised about me in the first place against me
What do you mean by this? It could be that what they initially liked in these traits has faded due to exposure. Happens all the time.

death is nothing to me

>>21397140
does it matter?

>>21394250
I get this lol, I think oftentimes it's easier to find non-whites who can actually engage with and digest these ideas than it is whites. In my experience, loyalty and love for friends is also rarer among whites today. It's an unfortunate irony, but it's just kind of the way it is. One of my most based friends is a Guatemalan guy who's probably 85% Indio. He knows what's up and we can talk for hours about interesting and "forbidden" ideas without too much friction (at least as far as I can tell).

>>21394864
This has been my experience too as an American. There are a lot of frigid and entitled black women too though, trust me, because people let them just get them away with sitting in a chair looking irritated and blinking at things, so over time they just decide to eschew personality. Same with der white women

>>21397515
Sounds like fake niggaz just bein' fake yo.
Most people will praise you for this or that until they tire of you and then begin to hate everything they once liked.
That and most of the time these people were parasites to begin with

>>21397542

>>21394980
Ha no I don't. I wish I did. I'm 26 and still live with my parents. I'm in school for a degree that'll pay pretty well and I have some income, but I feel like a NEET lol.

>>21395031
Procreation and marriage are entirely different subjects than love though, and even if there's truth to this, what does that have to do with the capacity for a human being to feel or not feel love?

>>21395042
The material and social contingencies that people lived under in a specific period in time did not prevent them from still thinking about or even feeling the idea of Love. I think you're just trying to be an edgy heckin Darklord as evidenced by your picrel

>>21395031
Acting like a monkey again

>>21395045
I don't know why anyone wastes any time on these mayfly trendy social media "influencers" like Andrew Tate or Liver King. They are conmen who will say or do anything provocative for views. That's it. They are flashes in the pan and will be irrelevant as quickly as they became relevant. They're conmen selling you "masculinity" or "fitness" in little bite sized amounts, yummmy! No one should be surprised or disappointed that "liver king" was a roided up freak from the start. Not role models and barely entertainment.

>>21397698
That's pretty much what it is
Just conmen finding a market in alienated men in need of a father figure

>>21397008
Yeah OK. She's hot and that should be my baby in her and not that weird creature's. Also that book looks really dumb. I'm sure it has some really cute, sweet story between the two of them, but to me it just looks like narcissism. Or maybe it's some thing they'll read to their kid some day to explain "how mommy and daddy met" which would be much more understandable and wholesome. Anyway yes good for them, I hope they're happy.

>>21397090
well, are you obsessed with him?

>>21397140
maybe the anon doesn't want to read the object of THEIR affection's mind and assume THEIR subjective gender identity. I know I don't. Every time I see a "woman" I correct myself and say "femme-presenting person who may or may not see themselves as femme" and remind myself to go up and ask "what are your pronouns? what do you identify as" before I gender them out loud or even in my head. Anon, you don't do this?? Everyone's pronouns are they/them until proven with absolute certainty otherwise, sweetie ;3

>>21397446
going to college to specialize for anything other than a trade in 2022, especially in America, is a quixotic pursuit. I'm not losing my youth, my money, or my mind to the chattering vampires of academia.

>>21397803
cope!
seethe!

>>21397728
Yepperoo exactamente. Alienated men don't need social media influencers. They need friends (actual friends), exposure to physical labor and deprivation, mentors who give a shit about their futures, and the chance to have sex a couple times to learn how overhyped it is. It's a goddamn shame.

>>21397810
Sounds like you're coping and seething with the realities of Current Year. It's okay anon, maybe someday we'll all be able to spend 15 years in a big, cool Hogwarts-like university learning the deep, dark secrets of the universe, but now is not the time for that. Right now is the time for living, active philosophy and work.

As a xenophile who loves reading other countries literature I find it disheartening that russians are getting killed and people support it and make jokes of innocent men dying. Even in this invasion I still love russian literature and the many russian celebrities. Yet they also love us the russian anons that read dickens and durrell who read chinese fantasy who are the friendlist people in travel vlogs.

And no matter how many war crimes they commit I'm still attracted to their history, books and culture yet why is that? Shouldn't we call these people vile and irreparable my postulate is can't we learn from a better culture? There are hundreds yet I still yearn for russia. Before I go on I know people feel the same. And the answer is Russia is a great place much better than sri lanka in wealth or eastern European states more depth of media greater philosophers yet its untenable to study russia anymore, russiophiles will fix russia and heal wounds internationally and diplomatically and there is a craving to learn about russia still. Yet I will study other cultures as a hypothesis to see does other literature have as much value as russian literature for hasn't russian culture destroyed itself?

>>21397768
It looks to me like she had the book made as a gift. Notice it has his name, not both of their names, almost like it's intended as an illustrated love note. Very cute, imo, not narcissistic like you claimed. I almost approve of their abominable interracial coupling.

>>21397476
His confusion I'd argue is self imposed, most likely without his conscious effort too. As I said, intuition goes far beyond your immediate perception, and If he immediately found himself in possession of truth the moment he gained capacity to, he rejected it as you would reject the traumatizing experiences and therefore attained the truths antithesis - ignorance. This is probably not even a case of rejection but an immediate optimal solution, considering again his superior intuition and the nature of the problem, and the problem it is since my another major argument will be that the nature of reality itself, or at least creation that we are experiencing right now is the "answer" of reality it self to the question of true Nihilism, to which the above pic frog is a reference, an attempt of solution and subsequent failure to find the true resolve without compromising the absolute truth.

He intuits "Morality" or good and evil as it is, an illusion, or rather a subjective matter, and if his subject deemed evil to be good then it is.
Also, morality is, as most of the concepts in general are at the mercy of time, since the good and evil you are referring to are only good and evil in the span of time. Moreover, the concepts themselves are arbitrary, only deemed to be one or another through 3rd party witnesses. Point being, the normie lives in the immediate present, only bound by his own will and emergent morality. So if one to do something evil, he'd be perfectly justified to do so, though his own perspective and through the nature of the moment itself where he is not bound and never would be.

>>21397922
>Notice it has his name, not both of their names, almost like it's intended as an illustrated love note. Very cute, imo, not narcissistic like you claimed
Shit I see what you mean now, yeah you're probably right. I still hate the kind of "disneyfy me zaddy!!!" aesthetic of it though. Very onions indeed. That's part of the trouble with sharing your private expressions of love with the whole world lol, they're often very cringe, even if the feelings and sense of devotion behind them is admittedly very cute.

>>21397957
> morality is arbitrary and changes all the time
Retarded fucking normalnigger. Duty and honor, defending the weak, toppling tyrants, waiting in chastity for your love to return; these have been themes in plays and literature since ancient times. You're a redditard and you should consider suicide.

new thread
>>21397975

>>21397973
Of course it's onions. A women did it. If a woman does something that isn't onions, that's when you should cringe

>>21394765
I get like this sometimes. It's super grim, it's like I'm completely devoid of dopamine. I suspect it's ADHD related. Stims are really difficult to get prescribed in the UK, so my plan is to just order some 2-FMA from a sketchy research chemical and abuse it

>>21397984
Fret not my dear normie, it was all done for you and your sake only, only if you've paid attention.

>>21394228
Was it more of a sin to get the covid vax or not get it?

Is it pride/arrogance to think you are fine without it or is it pride/arrogance to think think it would protect you more than God?

>>21394765
Maybe you gotta stop worrying about "what to do" and just sit with your feelings and reflect, maybe go for a walk. Stressing about how you're going to entertain or distract yourself is a very modern and sad problem to have and one that I also suffer from. Maybe you just don't do anything.

>>21397803
Bro I fell for the trade meme. Dont do it. You're gonna work 12 hour days, 6 days a week for barely more than minimum wage, if your employet feels like paying you at all