/lit/ - Literature

>>21391668
he wouldn't be famous without the moustache

>>21391668
He was a chronic masturbator with pederastic tendencies.

Also known as based.

>>21391672
This is probably right

It is more interesting to learn about Nietzsche's influences than Nietzsche himself, since intepretations of his philosophy are incredibly muddled, even by philosophical standards.

>>21391668
Pre-picrel Nietzsche was unfathomably based. Picrel Nietzsche was okay, but he really should've gone to Copenhagen to read Kierkegaard. It's best not to talk about post-picrel Nietzsche.

>>21391672
This. Fuck this absurd world. Wouldn't have made history if he was clean shaven

>>21391668
Nigga needs to learn how to write if he wants me to read him. Same with Schopenhauer. Kierkegaard is the only readable one in the le heckin' 19th century existentialism bunch.

>>21392657
>Kierkegaard
You're lying. "Self is the relating of the self to itself, the self is not the relation but the relation's relating to itself. Man is a synthesis."

I'm not actually quoting, thats what I remember from SuD. But the just matches, and is anything but "readable,". Nietzsche was far more literary.

>>21392716
You're a fucking midwit if you can't see his subtile trolling of hegelian nonsense terminology peppered throughout his works. He was one cheeky cunt and you have to read through the lines a lot. I suggest annotated editions e.g. the Hong family one.

>>21392743
Please refrain from the use of profanity. It is impolite, frivolous at best, and downright detrimental to both our health at worst.

I am a midwit, but it isn't because I dont magically know that Kierkegaard aped another author I've barely engaged with. That's a product of order and exposure, not of intellect. You should also refrain from making pretentious speculations, it only makes your peers think less of your abilities. Arrogance is only admirable with substance.

>>21392763
lurk for two years before posting, pseud nigger

>>21392769
Cope. Been here longer than you, almost guaranteed. Learn that kindness is cool.

his deconstructions of logic, equality, and morality have all influenced me immensely. agreeable value judgement

Which book should I start with? I have not read the greeks.

>>21392858
Nietzsche is not a bad place to start. Beyond Good & Evil

>>21391668
Pretty much most of what I’ve been reading for the last year or so. Fantastic man who influenced so much and continues to be relevant. Not only are his ideas magnificent but they’re written in such beauty too. Definitely a joy to read overall.

>>21391668
Letter to Franz Overbeck 5/24/78:
>I gather from your brief allusions that our old friend Nietzsche has been holding himself aloof from you as well. There is no doubt that very striking changes have taken place in him; but anyone who observed him and his psychic spasms years ago could almost be justified in saying that a long-dreaded and not entirely unpredictable catastrophe had now overtaken him. I have retained sufficient friendship for him not to read his book – which I glanced through as I was cutting the pages – and can only wish and hope that he will thank me for it some day.

Letter to Franz Overbeck 10/19/79:
>How could I ever forget this friend of mine who was driven from me so forcefully? Although I constantly had the feeling that, at the time of his association with me, Nietzsche’s life was ruled by a mental spasm, and although it was bound to strike me as odd that this spasm could have produced so spiritually radiant and heart-warming a fire as was manifest in him to the astonishment of all, and although, finally, the ultimate decision which he reached in the inner development of his life filled me with the utmost horror when I saw how intolerable a pressure that spasm was finally causing him – I must no doubt also admit that in the case of so powerful a psychic process it is simply not possible to argue along moral lines and that one’s only response can be a shocked silence.

>>21392858
It’s worth knowing a bit about Socrates and Plato for sure. Who they were and what they generally did. You don’t need to go off and read books on them (unless you want to). Also he does reference others like Kant and Schopenhauer. The latter is more important to know.

>>21391668
Love him, he is one of the best teachers I've had.

>>21391668
sickass mustache.

>>21391668
I have never read his books. I am only became familiar of his works from watching youtube videos about him. His entire schtick is that he inverts conventional wisdom and says ackchyually being an absolute piece of shit is a virtue and compassion is a vice.

Seems like an edgy contrarian that would feel right at home here.

>>21393351
This board isn't called /yt/ - brainless mumbling about superficial falsified secondhand information you absolute mongoloid

>>21392763
Please refrain from being a nigger. It is impolite, niggardly at best, and downright niggerish at worst.

>>21391668
He lived in fear and it drove him mad.

>>21393592
Normoid herd cope. What drove him mad was merely some physiological condition, could have been a number of infectious diseases considering the standards at the time or a hereditary condition. Nigga dared to move to a remote mountain village without any doctors and spent his time trying to be as active as possible despite already having excruciating pain and increasingly going blind. But sure, it was some intrapsychological punishment for deviating from the social norm, "loneliness" or divine intervention.

>>21393633
Yes, you are not of the herd. You are not human.

>>21393587
Imma growl at you. I'm going to do it. Snarling, raucous, grrrrrrrrrrrrrr.

>>21391668
Europe's Plato

>>21393835
This board's average IQ has to be below 75.

>>21393856
Are you saying it's stupid to think Nietzsche will have the influence over the next several centuries like Plato had? Because you're ignorant as fuck then. Not to mention, Nietzsche brought together dozens of other thinkers' philosophies from the Romantic and Renaissance periods into a pinnacle culmination like Plato did.

>>21391668
The concept of Will to Power is an accurate explanation of human motivation
Motivations are goal-oriented and you experience positive motivation when your desires are facilitated; that which facilitates a goal is the means, the means = power
I do believe he was slightly incorrect when he defined "bad" as "all that proceeds from weakness" in the Antichrist. His error can be obviously illustrated in the fact that if his definition of bad is to be taken seriously it becomes impossible to love an infant. What he did get right was when he said "happiness is when power increases; a resistance is overcome". Resistance is the opposite of power, and power is that which overcomes resistance. Resistance is generated out of weakness when weakness impedes on a goal, but that is conditioned by the goal and not by weakness itself. By reevaluating "bad" as "resistance" perspectivism becomes fully realized due to the fact that both "power" and "resistance" are conditioned by the goal.

>>21391668
About what?

>>21391668
No Wagner.

genius who sadly went insane before being able to systematize wiil to power
nigga was into cutting edge string theory ffs

>>21392858
chronological or you wont understand shit

>>21393351
>am only became familiar of his works from watching youtube videos about him.
reminder this is the average tier of poster here

>>21394691
you dont get him at all kek

>>21393645
Well considering I can speak and understand your twisted monkey and snake tongue, which no creature below you could, the necessary conclusion from your statement is that I'm further developed than you, thanks for sucking up to me cuck

>>21392657
This has to be bait

>>21394750
tell me about it

>>21392778
Good man.

>>21391693

1.Emerson
2.Schopenhauer
3.Spinoza

The big three key influences for Nietzsche in his early philosophical career.

He kissed a horse
That instance
Opened doors
He went above
Existence led in love
Who were there first?
'tis him or Swedenborg?
Who will be last?
To sanctify the morgue
With difference of highest mountain air
That ties to you once you become the heir
To ancient truth & and the mighty sends a bolt:
Right from the Egg, through dark into unknown.

>>21393351
fucking retard

>>21393866
Yeah this is cope.


Nietzsche will be extremely influential because he was the first person to give a comprehensive explanation for the underlying conditions that pushed Europe into destroying itself through fascism and communism. The problem is his thoughts aren't applicable to the rest of the world, which is why they won't really matter. This is especially true with American philosophy as a Nietzschean reading of America gets you an unsophisticated reading of manifest destiny at best.
The important philosophers for the 1KYAE have been and will continue to be Machiavelli, Tocqueville, Aristotle, and Spinoza. Kant is important for theory, but in practice his effect is minimal.


Also equating Nietzsche to Plato is such an insane midwit take on its own. Plato provided the foundational questions for philosophy that haven't been answered. The purpose of his writing especially lead to this as his dialogues were advertisements for his educational programs, so there was an incentive to create the biggest questions without really trying to answer them in a satisfying way. There is a reason most philosophers after Plato don't always end their writings in aporia

>>21393866
Room temperature IQ. NEETchy is about as important as a speck of dust on The Republic's cover

>>21393351
Even if this is a troll this is many users here, makes me fucking sick

>>21393866
Correct. No I will not elaborate.

>>21393351
>>21395389
Gee, I wonder if it's a troll or not? Hmmm, I wish there was a way to figure it out...

>>21391693
>since intepretations of his philosophy are incredibly muddled
No they're not lmao. The problem is that people that read Nietzsche are unwilling to sincerely engage with the things he says, and feel the need to justify his worldview within an implicitly egalitarian framework, which of course "muddles" his work. The fact is Nietzsche is extremely simple and direct with the things he thinks. He is a Nihilist Eugenicist that takes on the fundamental position that philosophy has its fundamental basis in the particular biology of individuals and society generally. More that philosophy in itself, Nietzsche is interested in the necessary conditions for the flourishing of philosophy which are necessarily biological. He is consistently and extremely direct with this.

It's a philosophy made for psychopaths, who constitute about 1% of the US alone. It's not even for psychopaths, it's for "artistic" "noble" psychopaths, who even if they did exist would probably constitute something like 0.01% of the world's population.

So the people who this philosophy is directed towards don't exist. The world Nietzsche is striving for in his revaluation of values and overman concept doesn't exist and can't, because the majority of people who live in it and determine it are the type of person he finds contemptible. Even the people who are less contemptible are basically still contemptible because while they are powerfully inclined they are stupid and unartistic.

It's a philosophy for a type of person and world that can't exist given the concrete reality of the world that actually exists.

Christcucks? Seething
Commie shitters? Seething
Faschuds? Seething
Mom and Dad? Seething

>honest thoughts?
he never had any

>>21395366
>The problem is his thoughts aren't applicable to the rest of the world
How is will to power not applicable to the rest of the world? This is like saying biology or psychology are not applicable outside of Europe.

>Plato provided the foundational questions for philosophy that haven't been answered.
Whether that is true or not (it isn't) doesn't matter. The two were being compared in terms of scope and influence. Nietzsche as well posed his own unanswered question marks such as the overman.

>>21395975
>How is will to power not applicable to the rest of the world? This is like saying biology or psychology are not applicable outside of Europe.

Correct me if I'm wrong but isn't the will to power predicated on the desire to expand a natural law? The liberal pragmatic tradition often finds that if conflict is stimulated between the oppressed and oppressor equilibrium can be reached. This isn't just the simulation of expansion, rather that society reaches a point or limit where energy has to be suppressed on both ends of the spectrum
>Whether that is true or not (it isn't) doesn't matter. The two were being compared in terms of scope and influence. Nietzsche as well posed his own unanswered question marks such as the overman.
Having concepts that don't have definitive answers is not the same thing as basing your philosophical work entirely on providing unsolvable questions. The scope or influence of Nietzsche, Schopenhauer, or Kant is always going to be extremely limited compared to Plato because their goal was to institute systems. Platonic ideals were in practice a matter of discourse rather than real claims. You see this especially in the later dialogues, as Socrates is pushed to develop his responses far beyond the scope of Republic where the philosophy of Plato in Laws is almost unrecognizable from Republic, yet it is still not meant to be a finished or definitive product. This is why Plato is so influential, he started a project and at the end of the day a Nietzsche can't be greater than the master whose system he works in

>>21396007
>Nietzsche
>institute systems

>>21395716
Mom's gonna freak when she finds out I hate God and have syphilis!

>>21395975
>How is will to power not applicable to the rest of the world? This is like saying biology or psychology are not applicable outside of Europe.
Except there isn't anything interesting to apply. Will to power is just a form of egoism adapted to biology. You take the evaluative aspects of it out and there is absolutely nothing of any explanatory value there.

>>21395515
> It's not even for psychopaths, it's for "artistic" "noble" psychopaths, who even if they did exist would probably constitute something like 0.01% of the world's population.
you got one right here

>>21391668
Why he looks argentinian

>>21391668
He peak'd with his first book "the birth of tragedy".

>>21396325
And here.
Good to hear from a brother.

>>21395515
And always good to hear from (sub)human, seething, enslaved, tasteless normoid cattle

>>21395739
He would have agreed with that statement, not that you'd understand, pleb.

>>21391668
He's very insightful, most of the people who talk about him talk about his most boring ideas, people who just discovered him are annoying, people who are his detractors are even MORE annoying, his philosophy isn't perfect or complete.

That's about it. Was a brilliant man and had some insights. Most of the conversation around him though is terrible.

"what does not kill me makes me stronger"

"HOLY SHIT IS THAT A HORSE BEING WHIPPED"

*goes into catatonic state and dies in a mental hospital

>>21396190
Nietzsche didn't have syphilis, and the horse story is fake.

He had a genetic illness that caused him intense headaches and pains from the time he was 9. His dad and brother both died of it by the time he was age 5.

What should I read of his first? I don't know if I'm smart enough for him, so I don't know where to start.

>>21394824
Nah, bro is right. Just send him a tweet or somthng so he gets the memo.

>>21397061
Try BG&E. Chances are you’ll struggle a bit but that’s part of it so just have fun and use other sources when you need to.

>>21396007
>Correct me if I'm wrong but isn't the will to power predicated on the desire to expand a natural law?
Define "natural law"

>The scope or influence of Nietzsche, Schopenhauer, or Kant is always going to be extremely limited compared to Plato
>placing Schopenhauer and Kant next to Nietzsche
You clearly don't have a good grasp on Nietzsche's influence. It completely blows those two out of the water.

>their goal was to institute systems
lol, you haven't even read Nietzsche have you?

>>21396275
>Will to power is just a form of egoism adapted to biology.
It's a new ontology and a complete reversal of the former doctrine of truth versus lie.

>>21397339
>t's a new ontology and a complete reversal of the former doctrine of truth versus lie.
No, it's just materialism, however you want to describe quanta of power, with a coat of egoist-aristocratic paint.

>complete reversal of the former doctrine of truth versus lie
That would be his pragmatic account of truth, which is also quite deflationary when you think about it hard enough. Truth is power, so who's really winning when it comes to prevailing ideas? Is it Nietzsche, who has mostly been appropriated by Nazis and academics, or s it people like Marx, whose writing influenced the entire twentieth century, in terms of socio political events? Which philosophy do you think has had more concrete pragmatic influence in the last 200 years?

>>21397537
>No, it's just materialism
Materialism is another form of idealism. You're just continuing the same moral paradigm from Plato (truth) rather than the new one started by Kant and Schopenhauer and perfected by Nietzsche (power).

>Is it Nietzsche, who has mostly been appropriated by Nazis and academics, or s it people like Marx, whose writing influenced the entire twentieth century, in terms of socio political events?
The most Nietzschean nation in the 20th century was the United States.

>>21397537
Oh so the mainstream cattle adopted other teachings and only a select few that are now seen as morally bad have adopted Nietzsche´s?
That completely refutes him, he never would have seen that coming.
Have you actually read him, brainlet?

>>21397546
>Kant and Schopenhauer
Sorry, meant Hegel and Schopenhauer.

>>21397546
>. You're just continuing the same moral paradigm from Plato (truth) rather than the new one started by Kant and Schopenhauer and perfected by Nietzsche (power).
What are you trying to say? I literally just told you truth is power. Please tell me how you are going to talk about your unique snowflake power ontology in non-materialist terms.

>The most Nietzschean nation in the 20th century was the United States
This is just icycalm talking, lol. The United States is a) a nation with no aristocracy, b) the nation in which boring shopkeeperdom reaches its apex. You may as well be be citing Brazil as the most nietzschean nation. There is a reason Nietzsche applauds the formation of the good European, and this is because it clears the way for a general consensus on which a higher type of being may be formed. But because Icy loves to tongue Yankee anus the US is surely the most master race nation, with its inbred mongrels who would sell their mothers for two cents on the street. Get fucking real.

>>21397607
>I literally just told you truth is power.
A truth is an expression of a particular configuration of the will to power. If you don't connect his will to power to his perspectivism, multiplicity of drives, eternal recurrence, amor fati, and overman, then you haven't really grasped his will to power.

>The United States is a) a nation with no aristocracy, b) the nation in which boring shopkeeperdom reaches its apex.
Are you some second world cunt? Because your understanding of the nation in its 20th century context is as deep as someone from some Eastern European shithole. The US was the most Nietzschean nation because it employed his political philosophy better than any other, which is of no surprise given how profoundly influenced he was by the Americans like Emerson and Twain.

>>21397671
>A truth is an expression of a particular configuration of the will to power.
There is no such thing as "a truth", truth is the totality of configurations of will to power, nothing more or less.

>If you don't connect his will to power to his perspectivism, multiplicity of drives, eternal recurrence, amor fati, and overman, then you haven't really grasped his will to power.
All of these latter concepts are subject to the former, and are precisely the point at which Nietzsche' philosophy is subject to competition among every other. As a perspectival interpretation of underlying drives, amor fati, eternal recurrence, etc, they take their place as perspectival interpretations of the world just the same as Marx's interpretation of things like labor, exploitation, etc. Again the question, if both are perspectival interpretations of reality, expressions of will to power and therefore expressions of TRUTH, who do you think has the prevailing perspective?

>The US was the most Nietzschean nation because it employed his political philosophy better than any other, which is of no surprise given how profoundly influenced he was by the Americans like Emerson and Twain.
Okay, why don't you let us know what Nietzsche's political philosophy is, smart guy?

>>21397779
>There is no such thing as "a truth"
Everything is perspective.

>Again the question, if both are perspectival interpretations of reality, expressions of will to power and therefore expressions of TRUTH, who do you think has the prevailing perspective?
Nietzsche, since he went for the heart and throat, while Marx just went for a limb. Marx isn't on the level of Nietzsche.

>Okay, why don't you let us know what Nietzsche's political philosophy is, smart guy?
Read Drochon's Nietzsche's Great Politics, it's a pretty good summation of it.

>>21397808
>Everything is perspective.
Your grasp of clear and informative statements is starting to break down chum. Is "everything is perspective" also perspective?

>Nietzsche, since he went for the heart and throat, while Marx just went for a limb. Marx isn't on the level of Nietzsche.
Great informative metaphor, tell it to most of 20th century history. I guess we're still waiting on the overman, right? He'll surely come along with all our cool new technological toys like 3d printed organs and genetic engineering, etc. That's totally going to happen, and not just a reiteration of the same boring relations between a stagnant bourgeoisie that only cares about capital accumulation and a subject proletariat that only cares about production, right? This is what people like you and Icycalm don't appreciate: nothing is fucking happening, regardless of whatever technological advances are achieved. Capitalists don't care about struggle or any other noble virtue, they care about making money, and that's it. That's what neoliberal America embodies and exports to Europe. The hundreds of shareholders who finance art are not noble patrons who facilitate genius at their own cost, they are economic businessmen who engage in base calculation for safe profit, and that's what people like you and Icy think is going to get us to a higher degree of civilization. It's all very asinine, reactionary corporate dick sucking. It'll never happen, they'll be too busy making money to care about the overman. At least with Marx you have some kind of struggle to look forward to. With you guys we just complain that most of civilization is getting worse while the cream of the crop keeps getting better. Whoop di fucking doo, wake me when it's over.

>Read Drochon's Nietzsche's Great Politics
Russia bad, state bad. Military judaic noblemen good. Amazing stuff.

>>21397934
>Is "everything is perspective" also perspective?
Obviously, and you aren't clever for making this statement. Nietzsche himself addressed it. inb4 you call it paradoxical or absurd or whatever; that impression only happens when you continue evaluating his point of view from that of the old paradigm of truth.

>nothing is fucking happening, regardless of whatever technological advances are achieved.
Change is iterative. A lot is happening, but you need to understand that what's happening spans years rather than specific moments. We already have icy's brain on the scene and that couldn't have happened 50 years ago. We're also just now moving into a decentralized global economic system for the first time. The end of this century won't look anything like how it started.

>Russia bad, state bad. Military judaic noblemen good.
Yeah, but it's more than that. Crypto is unironically Nietzschean. Technocapitalist globalism is unironically Nietzschean.

>>21397934
>Capitalists don't care about struggle or any other noble virtue, they care about making money, and that's it.
That's why we're getting ready to go to Mars. Also the Overman isn't necessarily something achievable as much as it's something to strive towards.

>>21398070
>inb4 you call it paradoxical or absurd or whatever; that impression only happens when you continue evaluating his point of view from that of the old paradigm of truth.
From the "new" paradigm of truth this doesn't have any significance, because what is true is what is powerful, and therefore what has the most influence.

>Change is iterative. A lot is happening, but you need to understand that what's happening spans years rather than specific moments.
Nothing is happening except the logical progression of accumulation that will lead to the exhaustion of the prevailing capitalist system across the world. All of the kinds of change prophesied by Nietzsche and your daddy have not happened, and they can't, because the conditions that prevail in a capitalist society forbid the growth of any meaningful number of the types of person valorised by Nietzschean society.

>Crypto is unironically Nietzschean. Technocapitalist globalism is unironically Nietzschean.
The only thing vaguely Nietzschean about these things is the fact they involve competition, and this is your big misstep in valorising petty shopkeeperdom. It doesn't matter if we have a new form of currency if its only use is to be accumulated and circulated in an economic system whose purpose is to prop up the bourgeoisie. It doesnt matter if we colonize mars if it's with these very same people who have no higher value or purpose than comfortable affluence. This isn't striving towards anything but mediocrity.

>>21399090
>From the "new" paradigm of truth
It's the paradigm of power, not truth. Truth is a side effect of power and just an expression of it, i.e., there are only interpretations.

>the conditions that prevail in a capitalist society forbid the growth of any meaningful number of the types of person valorised by Nietzschean society.
Capitalist businessmen and the cosmopolitan women who lust after them are Nietzschean. They embrace and harness their will to power to maximize their influence over the world. They aren't the overman, but they are hyperboreans, as is anyone who takes on big risks and responsibilities in order to move larger and larger chess pieces around the globe. And there's icy, the actual overman who, again, could only have come around in the modern era.

>The only thing vaguely Nietzschean about these things is the fact they involve competition
They're also in alignment with his late political views. Read the book I recommended. There are two spheres of life that he condoned. One is the slave kind, the businessmen and their female playthings, while the other is the master kind, the digital nomads like icy reaping the benefits of the slaves' technological innovations to remain detached from social responsibility, who have their own female playthings.

>>21399145
>Truth is a side effect of power and just an expression of it
No, truth is just power. There is no expression of power, except what you describe as interpretation (which is just power), because power itself is by its very nature expressed. It can't but be expressed. So again, power is what is, truth is power, the world is the totality of power/truth.

>They embrace and harness their will to power to maximize their influence over the world
This is a completely meaningless statement. As indicated, power cannot but express itself, that is the nature of power. Power that's not expressed does not exist except from a hypothetical perspective. Likewise, power is always "maximised" because it makes no sense to say thay power expresses itself less or more, except from an arbitrary perspective. So your profound metaphysical statement about power really just amounts to saying: everything does what it can. And for this to actually sound meaningful you have to smuggle in your petty will to power egoism.

>they are hyperboreans, as is anyone who takes on big risks and responsibilities in order to move larger and larger chess pieces around the globe
At the level you are describing risk and responsibility has been thoroughly diffused through organization and middle-management. The people you are describing are less a reality and more of a neoliberal fantasy. The world is run not by these people but by the vast boards of mega-corporations who concern themselves not with geopolitical strategy but, again, with MAKING MONEY. Just like your daddy, who is a grown up baby, not only detached from social responsibility but also any tangible form of meaningful relation to the world.

"In the economy of free-trade capitalism, dominated by imperatives of production, wealth alone confers power and honour. Master of the means of production and of labour power, it controls the development of productive forces and consumer goods and thus its owners have the pick of the myriad fruits of an infinite progress. However, as this capitalism transforms itself into its contrary, state-planned economy, the prestige of the capitalist playing the market with his millions fades away and with it the caricature of the pot-bellied, cigar-puffing merchant of human flesh. Today we have managers, who derive their power from their talent for organization; and already computers are doing them out of a job. Managers, of course, do get their monthly paychecks but do they do anything worthwhile with them? Can they enjoy making their salary signify the wealth of possible choices before them: building a Xanadou, keeping a harem, cultivating flower-children? When all possibilities of consumption are already organized, how can wealth preserve its representable value? Under the dictatorship of consumer goods, money melts away like a snowball in hell. Its significance passes to objects with more representational value, more tangible objects better adapted to the spectacle of the welfare state"

>>21391668
>honest thoughts?
There is no such thing as an honest thought. The nature of thought is the lie. Everything means what it does not mean.

>>21391668
closeted homosexual, but still less gay than your average christian of any denomination

>>21399964
>There is no expression of power, except what you describe as interpretation (which is just power), because power itself is by its very nature expressed.
Power is always expressed, but the interpretation is still the expression, each interpretation its own truth.

>So your profound metaphysical statement about power really just amounts to saying: everything does what it can.
Everything does not do what it can, however. Most people do not even know what they can do. Christianity and many other moralistic ideologies teach people to not do all they can. Modern businessmen and their cosmopolitan women are more liberated in this regard than the average person and are therefore closer to Nietzsche's beyond good and evil hyperboreans.

>At the level you are describing risk and responsibility has been thoroughly diffused through organization and middle-management.
Everyone who says this (mostly dumb fuck Marxists) has never actually been a manager anywhere significant, let alone a CEO for a megacorp.

>>21391668
Most based philosopher to ever exist

>>21400304
>Power is always expressed, but the interpretation is still the expression, each interpretation its own truth.
This is getting silly and you are running around in circles, it's just power.

>Everything does not do what it can, however.
Yes, it does. It literally does, because power cannot but express itself, and everything is power. So again, if you laugh at the claim that a subhuman could do something they evidently can't but just don't want to, you must also laugh at the claim that religions hold people back, etc. It serves your purposes to talk about these things as if they were possibilities, because otherwise, again, you would just be talking about a mayerialism with egoism smuggled in.

>Everyone who says this (mostly dumb fuck Marxists) has never actually been a manager anywhere significant, let alone a CEO for a megacorp.
So now you want to talk about how the fucking local Walgreen's manager is a liberated paragon of master morality? This is silly. CEOs have a great deal of responsibility for their companies but the risk isn't to them, it's to the companies and the economy those assets are nested in. Hence, no personal risk to the bourgeoisie because of diffusion. Keep letting your line manager fuck your wife because he's clearly an apex predator.

>>21391668
cuck

>>21391756
this
>>21392778
>Been here longer than you
>says "cope" like a twitter rapefugee
yeah sure

>>21391668
Should i try reading him again, i read 'The gay science' and somewhat enjoyed it, but when i got to 'Thus spoke Zarathustra' it just comes of as far too egotistical and condescending so i dropped it 1/3 of the way. I like his ideas on the last man, power and greatness but i feel i'am not going to be getting much else from him.

>>21393351
smartest /pol/tard

>>21397671
>Are you some second world cunt? Because your understanding of the nation in its 20th century context is as deep as someone from some Eastern European shithole. The US was the most Nietzschean nation because it employed his political philosophy better than any other, which is of no surprise given how profoundly influenced he was by the Americans like Emerson and Twain.

dumbest take i´ve ever heard, considering how the soiboi and le trad man were invented in the US within current political discourse, your argument falls flat

>>21400576
An iconic reminder that feminism is run on the pain of fatherless boys but NEET overcame it, using it as inspiration and motivation for fathering never seen before suns and sons in spirit that will glow for eternity, while "liberated" dirty whores can only regurgitate the semen of their daddies and teachers - physically and intellectually. That spoiled whore is only known nowadays because NEET was dumb enough to simp for her, until he met Cosima Wagner and simped even harder until he went insane.

Immoral of the story: don't be a simp

>>21392778
Based

>>21400439
>it's just power.
No, will to power is not JUST power. It's an ontological premise and he elaborated on it quite a lot.

>Yes, it does. It literally does, because power cannot but express itself, and everything is power.
There can be psychological constraints on one's will to power which prohibit accurate expression. Stirner called them spooks. Nietzsche attacked Christian and socialist herd morality for this reason.

>Hence, no personal risk to the bourgeoisie because of diffusion.
A CEO has a reputation to maintain, not just for himself but for his family too. There's a ton of risk involved in his work. Diffusion doesn't account for all of it, but we designed corporations that way to alleviate the risk per individual precisely because of how immense it can get. It was also a challenge building such an infrastructure, and the amount of sacrifice it took to pull off is something none of us will ever truly comprehend. Industrialization and corporate globalism didn't just happen. The whole fucking world went to war over it, more than once.

>>21395371
The Republic was only “influential” because it was so mind-bogglingly retarded philosophers had to go on damage control to pick up the pieces of the field for the next 2000 years.

Let me chime into this discussion about capitalist America being THE Nietzschean nation: it's completely retarded at every level. Actually bother reading Zarathustra and you'd have your answer. It's no.

>>21402237
>Look, we excel at being cowardly conmen hiding behind a large apparatus of technology and bureaucracy
Oh wow that's the most superhuman feat I've ever heard of, I can already see man being overcome.

>>21402440
>most hated country in the world
>most influential country in the world
>cowardly

>>21391756
After Zarathustra he starts going full schizo that's actually what makes him based

>>21397537
anon you have to understand that like christianity, marxism only has pragmatic influence because it appeals to weak hordes of cowards whose strength lies in numbers, that want to take things from people who have worked harder than them by enforcing guilt

>>21391668
About what?

>>21393401
Not like anyone here reads.