/lit/ - Literature

>>21361094
>WoW is gonna be a massive 1600-1700 book, and apparently most of the storylines will end there, since Dreams will be mostly an epilogue to show what happens to the surviving characters after the Long Night. Weird but ok.

Oh this is going to be a TRAINWRECK.

Source:

https://www.gamespot.com/articles/the-winds-of-winter-george-r-r-martin-reveals-how-many-more-pages-he-still-needs-to-write/1100-6509830/

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uvcO_7kZ-Vg

>>21361096
I honestly don't get how he'll be able to write another entire book with only the epilogues of the characters. It's supposed to be a massive one too, like 900 pages at least. Of epilogue. How incredibly anticlimatic would that be? "Yeah the big threat is over, we survived, now let's fuck around Westeros for a few hundred pages."

>>21361105
>massive
A 900 page long book would make it the shortest of the series afaik

>>21361107
Wasn't the first one like 700 pages?

If Jon isn't crowned king, it's shit. If Bran becomes the king, it's shit. If the story ends in some abolition of monarchy and establishing of democracy (like the show), it's shit.

>>21361112
>abolition of monarchy and establishing of democracy
Come on, Martin is a fat bastard but he isn't that retarded, and he thankfully doesn't seem to pander to retarded libs. His characters aren't 21st Century people with current moralities teleported into a medieval setting, they actually reason like medieval people.

>>21361107
Nigger they're all shorter than 900 pages apart from Storm of Swords and Dance with Dragons:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/A_Song_of_Ice_and_Fire#Overview

>>21361094
It took me 11 years to write 1100 pages. So don't worry I only need nearly half of that.

>>21361684
Don't say that... he did the difficult part, right? He managed to find coherent storylines, now all he needs to do is iron some details and write them down.
Right?

>>21361684
>>21361692
This nigger needs a ghostwriter.

>>21361692
right, as we all know "having ideas" is the hard part and "making them happen" is easy peasy

How many times has he failed to deliver? How many promises broken? What makes it different this time? I will beleive it when I see the book in stores, until then, no hype for me.

He's become relevant again thanks to the House of Dragon show and he's excited about it, that's why so much talk about AWOW latelly, but when he fails to deliver and ghosts the whole fanbase for a year or two you guys will only have yourselves to blame.

>>21361723
Unironically true.

>>21361114
The writers of the show didn't come up with that on their own. George told them to do that lol. Then when people hated that ending he had to delete all the shit he'd written for his gay little books. Why do you think it's been taking him so long?

>>21361114
>Come on, Martin is a fat bastard but he isn't that retarded, and he thankfully doesn't seem to pander to retarded libs.
His personality has 100% shifted from TV show feedback and general wokeness. His true beliefs haven't changed an iota but he's terrified to be criticized by women and fags.

>>21361798
retard

>>21362380
He's not the same man he was in the 90s. The ending will be pretty safe or le subversive but in a reddit way.

>>21362388
>The ending will be pretty safe
Most likely this. Now that his books have publicity and people depend financially on his book sales, he will most likely change the overall design.

This could explain the 11 years of literal nothingness. It could really be that he already finished all his books, but just sits there and says "fuck, if I publish this it's over for me".

There is no way in hell he isn't finished. He is an experienced writer and his books aren't even that good. It could even be that other people decide how he books should look like to maximize sales. He is literally old and childless, so it's not like he gives a fuck.

Writing a book and selling a book are two different things. If he already finished all of his books, he knows everything there is to know and what is published is literally not his problem.

It could even be that the merchandise isn't ready, so the release is on hold.

>>21362387
imbecile little shit who has never and will never write or accomplish anything

>>21362387
Are you seriosly too fucking stupid o understand that coming up with plots, characters, dilemmas, etc. is BY FAR the most difficult part, and once you have that organized writing the actual prose is FAR easier?

I wish little shits like you would stay on reddit.

>>21362819
retarded faggot who will never get truly good ideas and will only write (and self-publish lol) derivative, trite shit.

>>21362819
>>21362823
cringe samefaggot

>>21362826
I've written 9 novels, little shit. I know what I'm talking about. You don't. Anybody who understands the first thing about writing knows that you're wrong. They can see through your pose. You're trying to look like le epic inspired author. You're failing in this as well, like in everything you try.

>>21362831
>>21362826
You're embarassing yourself. We should have an age limit on this board. Little shits like you should stay confined on /b/.

>>21362834
If you are a "creative" and you think finding good ideas is the hardest part, you're a shit creative. You find the grind easier because you have the mind of a slave. You should've been an accountant.

>>21362845
>is wrong
>get told he's wrong by his betters
>regurgitates the same wrong opinion 10 more times
What's the point of your behavior? You're looking like a kid who is wrong and refuses to admit it. You've said your shit opinion. It was shit. Now just shut the fuck up.

Your kind shits up every place it finds itself in. You're cancer.

>>21362845
>finding good ideas
finding =/= developing

you've never written anything, much less anything remotely decent with scope and depth, and it's obvious.

>>21362862
>muh opinion is le better because I said so! the grind is easier!
>continues to seethe
Yawn. Typical slave-minded behavior. Imagine a supposed creative who thinks finding ideas is the hardest part of the job LMAO

>>21361723
You seem to be in another discussion, faggot. See the root topic: >>21361723

>>21361723
>>21362387
>dude GURM totally took 11 fucking years to write a book and still isn't done because he got stuck in the execution stage. Not the previous one, where you need to imagine and develop what happens, who does what, when, where, and for which reasons. No, it was the prose that stumped him.
God you're a fucking idiot.

>>21362834
>I've written 9 novels, little shit.
i love you selpub schizos that have more books out than you've had total sales. the indefatigable kindle kreatives

>>21362870
Fuck you seem to be in another discussion, faggot. See the root topic: >>21361723

>>21361094
Dude, Winds of Winter is going to be shit. He's gone through that shit for years and STILL hasn't finished it. He could have hired the most hardcore of GoT fans to help him timeline and plot everything down, but he didn't. He could have hired a team of ghostwriters to help him out, but he didn't. He could have just churned out a meh quality book and then gone through it with a finely sharpened knife and ink-filled pen, to cut out whatever he didn't like and rewrite it. But guess what? He didn't. No fucking book should take this long.

Now let's say that the book IS as good as people want it to be: you won't ever get to see the end of the series. He's unfortunately likely to die before then. Then what?

This isn't even *just* meant to antagonise one of the things you're really hyped up about (which I totally respect), rather I want to hear what you think about the very real possibility that he'll die before he finishes, and the fact that he's been insanely lazy in writing it.

>>21362992
dude, like, bro, like yooo

]>>21361112
This isn't how the show ends, though. They get rid of heriditary monarchy and replace it with a monarch selected by an oligarchy of high lords, so not exactly democratic at all

>>21364957
>They get rid of heriditary monarchy and replace it with a monarch selected by an oligarchy of high lords
isn't that how the UK works? lmao

>>21361105
I mean if its at all similar to the show (and George's original plans), then there will be another conflict after the long night reminiscent of the scouring of the shire (in the show this is the dany vs Cersei shit but who knows what George will change it to after the backlash).

>>21361094
source?

>>21361094
That’s nice.

>>21364965
>but who knows what George will change it to after the backlash
Man, I hope he sticks to it. I liked how most of the storylines wrapped up. I liked Arya killing the night king honestly, and Jon returning to the wall for killing Dany rather than sitting on the throne. I don't really know what the fuck everyone's problem with the show was. I feel like they just wanted Dany to be the hero, even though she had clearly been as entitled as Joffrey since the beginning if you weren't hung up on the GIRLBOSS aspect. I also feel like I remember Seth Rogen trying really hard and succeeding in convincing everyone it was bad for some reason.

>>21365393
I also genuinely think the reason Bran becoming king pissed so many people off is only because the actor turned into a weird looking guy by the end of the show lol

>>21362992
No, Winds will be universally praised. Aside from a handful of contrarians here nitpicking out specific passages that reference sex or bodily fluids, or every instance of the word "nuncle" and such.

>>21362896
You basically just described the works of Herman Melville.

>>21365681
>melville was le kindle writer
kys

>>21364961
More similar to the Holy Roman Empire, I believe

>>21365648
When does nuncle come into play? I’m only halfway through clash of kings

>>21361105
I'd read it, provided it has enough food descriptions of banquets, buffets and feasts.

>>21361094
>i-it's almost finished guiz no for reals i mean it
'k. Maybe five or six years ago I would have given a fuck, but that time has long passed.

>>21365393
>I liked Arya killing the night king
Stopped reading there

>>21361105
A feast for crows is a post-war epilogue and has some of the best chapters in the series. Honestly I expect the long night st start mid WOW and end halfway through ASOD, with the rest of the final book having the remaining cast scrapping for the last vestiges of civilisation

>>21365393
I agree, I think the central storylines aren't at all terrible but the execution was what let it all down. I doubt the book will have that problem.

>>21368218
It seems kind of childish to me to insist that Jon kill him because Jon is like his rival or something. I don't really see it that way. Doesn't really bother me that much who does it, and it at least makes all of Arya's training finally pay off.

>>21361094
>took over a decade to write ~1100 pages
>still has around half of that left
Every time he releases "breaking news" it feels like we're actually getting farther away from being able to read the book. I'm almost more interested to see how long he can string along his fans than actually reading the book at this point

>>21368227
Most true fans of the series think a feast for crows is the worst book in the series

>>21368487
> Most true fans
It's just the opinion of most people.

>>21365695
He was

>>21364961
No. Monarchy in the UK is hereditary and justified as the monarch being God’s representative on earth with a divine mandate. The House of Commons (members of which are chosen by public ballot) passes bills which are then sent to the House of Lords (You become a lord by inheriting the position or being an expert in a given field) to be reviewed. If the House of Lords approves the bill it is then sent to the monarch who signs the bill, making of law. Treaty-making powers and control of the army (although it is illegal to make an army without parliaments permission, so an act is passed every five years to give permission to the monarch to raise an army- the only other person with permission is a lord in Scotland who has a private army) and declaring war are invested in the monarch and most state services and representatives act in the name of the monarch. The people are far poorer than Americans and you can rent land from councils which are a local extension of the state (which is legally the same thing as the crown (monarch)) to farm on so you don’t starve.

There are restrictions on parliament to preserve human rights. These are enforced by the crown, who in turn is restricted by parliament. Parliament also restricts itself via the two chambers. Recently the House of Lords vetoed a bill over human rights concerns

This country is literally a monarchy and anyone who tries to argue its basically a democratic republic is being wilfully obtuse or is just ignorant. Before you ask, it’s great and I wouldn’t change this system much.

>>21370144
Continued.

For example
>Greens secure majority in House of Commons
>Greens want to ban “hate sites”
>Greens pass a bill banning all “hate sites” including 4chan
>House of Lords reviews the bill and how it will affect British society
>Various experts both within the house and those invited from outside it will give their opinions
>These experts could be one of you
>It becomes clear that not everyone on here browses /pol/
>Someone raises human rights concerns
>It becomes clear that the greens are being ridiculous
>House of Lords votes to veto the bill
>God save the queen plays while we all eat Yorkshire puddings and complain about continental breakfast
>Another glorious day in the United Kingdom


Btw you’re not allowed to sit in both houses, and the monarch isn’t allowed in the House of Commons. Also there used to be a rule where women weren’t allowed in the house but were allowed to peer into the house through a hole in the ceiling. This rule was removed in the 20’s. There’s also a ceremony in which the house tells the representative of the monarch to go away called “the black rod.”

Winds is never coming out and he hasn't written shit, if anything he's been unwriting the preview chapters.

>>21370266
Yes, he is currently rewriting A Storm of Swords chapters.

>theoretical negrology:
Black kids crying because of racism, sassy black men with tweed jackets
>applied negrology
Your wife has been raped and you have a screwdriver stuck in your head

>>21361094
It's shit anyway. GRRM is a horrendously awful writer and I can't think of a single redeeming quality of his work.

>>21361112
>If the story ends in some abolition of monarchy and establishing of democracy (like the show), it's shit.

This is stupid not because of democracy but because the printing press and adequate literacy rate doesn’t exist yet. There would be little exchange of ideas which is one of the main reasons why democracy prevailed over monarchy.

>>21361114
>Come on, Martin is a fat bastard but he isn't that retarded, and he thankfully doesn't seem to pander to retarded libs
He IS a retarded lib.
>His characters aren't 21st Century people with current moralities teleported into a medieval setting, they actually reason like medieval people.
His characters act and reason like how 21st century liberals think medieval people acted.

>>21365393
>I liked Arya killing the night king honestly
>I liked how the conflict that had been built up since the literal first page of the series and referenced constantly as a massive extinction event for humanity lasted a single episode and was ended by a small girl doing anime teleports
are you serious

>>21361094
100 pages a year? Doubtful

>>21371264
>lasted a single episode and was ended by a small girl doing anime teleports
Not talking about that. Discussing the idea of it in the books. Also
>anime teleports
Yes, it’s easy to make what the faceless men do sound silly. Do you just not like series?

>>21371723
the* series

>>21371723
Its about how trivial it is, not how silly it sounds. He phrased it that way to highlight how trivial the conflict ended up being.

>>21368487
Even if that's true it has some of the most highly rated chapters in the series as well. The Jaime chapters in particular many people rank highly.

>>21368218
>>21368426

>>21373311
That's genuinely one of the gayest things I've ever read. It reads like that old super mario bros movie greentext, except the author actually meant it.

>>21370144
>>21370163
Yank here. This sounds less screwed up and corrupt than our system, though I know it must have it's own unique drawbacks like every country does.

>>21361094
It's never coming out.

>>21364965
There's not a chance that Cersei was ever intended to live that long in the books.

>>21361094
>In 2023-2025 we might fucking read this goddamned book.