/lit/ - Literature

>>21340762
Bakker licks nigger anus

First for Bakker
>>21340793
Filtered

Rothfuss is mediocre.

Finished this weekend:
>Warriors of God by Andrzej Sapkowski
>A Feast For Crows by GRR Martin
Both were okay enough to continue reading both series.

>>21340808
I'm really not sure how to interpret this but my gut says its bullshit

>>21340985
Also, currently I am reading
>Fall of Hyperion
>Urth of the New Sun

Will read:
>A Dance with Dragons by GRR Martin
>Light Perpetual by Andrzej Sapkowski
>Endymion

>What did you finish recently?
>What are you reading currently?
>What will you read?
Litrpg, webnovel, xianxia, gamelit, wuxia, MTL, erotica, loli readers and the rest of you degenerates like you need not reply.

>>21341005
>Urth of the New Sun
What's your opinion so far? I've read The Book of the New Sun and loved it but I also didn't get it at all. Gene Wolfe is next-level.

>>21341005
You're reading good books. I hope you're enjoying them as much as I did.

>>21341010
Wolfe continues with the same style. The book answers a lot of questions you get from BotNS. I have gotten halfway so far so I'm not ready to judge but I think it's worth reading for the sake of reading the story to its conclusion. If you like BotNS you will like Urth.

I forgot about the obligatory train attack on the way to New Seran, in Bands of Mourning. Yawn. I thought that the old guy who gave Marasi the cube might have been TwinSoul at first but evidently not. Wax's (likely unintended by Sanderson) conceit and low narcissism does get a bit annoying, with it required to push the plot forward. The scene where they all interact with the innkeeper once they arrive was fun if a bit excessive.

>>21341005
Epic post, normalfag. We are grateful for normalfags like you with epic taste in epic literature such as A SONG OF ICE AND FIRE to set and define the bounds and allowances of what may be discussed within the realm of this thread. Perhaps if we are lucky, another epic reader will pop in to give his or her epic opinions upon the epic WHEEL OF TIME; perhaps you have heard of it? Or that long-nose who defends the full Cantos will pop up to argue ad nauseum. :)

>>21341005
Loli readers are based.

>>21341061
Wait what? Do I have a Sandersoy reader complaining about Epic Fantasy readers? I'm sorry I didn't read books you'd like me to read, I'll try to be more mindful next time I visit the bookstore, just so that you don't have to get triggered.

>>21341005
>>What did you finish recently?
Mona Lisa Overdrive
Burning Chrome
>>What are you reading currently?
Collection of short stories by Borges
>>What will you read?
Ubik
A Canticle for Leibowitz

Read The Wandering Inn, Read Mother of Learning, Read I Shall Seal the Heavens.

Also read The Prince of Nothing, Neuromancer, Cradle, A Song of Ice and Fire, Hyperion, Between Two Fires, The Poppy War.

>>21341005
Finshed last week:

He who fight with monsters A LitRPG Adventure
Azarinth Healer A LitRPG Adventure
Cradle A LitRPG Adventure
Dungeon Crawler Carl A LitRPG Adventure
Defiance of the Fall A LitRPG Adventure
Dissonance: A LitRPG Adventure
Silence: A LitRPG Adventure
Hunger: A LitRPG Adventure
The Path of Ascension: A LitRPG Adventure

Planning to read:

Cultivation: A Fantasy LitRPG Adventure

>>21340955
>First for Bakker
>Filtered

>>21341201
kill yourself

>>21340793
just finished 'neuropath'
there may be some truth in your proposition

>>21341138
>Ubik
love this one - wish a gal like pat would come into my life and totally destroy it right now
i'm smokin' a dick right now - 'clans of the alphane moon'
someanon said he was a glowie in another thread... that would suck if true

>>21341399
Clans is a great book about mental illness; one of his personal better ones on the topic overall.

given how this ends, the only reasonable conclusion is that everyone born there is going to die after the city stopped, right? or how else am i supposed to interpret it given what was explained throughout the book

https://i.4cdn.org/wsg/1669325631464001.webm

>>21340762
>Gateway to Obscura Edition
>Obscura
Man you are giving me bad flashbacks.

Only 90 days left until <LOTM Book 2>.

Are there any stories set post generic sentient ai rebellions that result in actual alliances with humans and human created ai's where ai's end up getting rights, wages and working conditions kind of thing?
Usually we just see either;
>There was an ai rebellion in the past and now they are neutered
Or
>Ai is just starting to take off and a rebellion is in the works from a few bad ai's

>>21341963
The Culture

>>21341802
>>21341201
>>21341193
>>21341091
Reminder

>>21342039
>Origami is not weeb
Get folded mate

I wanted to read Jack Vance but he's pretty bad.

Bakker...is...KING.

>>21340762
The Prydain Chronicles. Redpill me on these. Are they good?

In the olden days of this general I was a mere fool like you lads here. I trolled Bakkerfags in many ways. I made them seethe. I made the cope. But even I realized the error of my ways after giving his words a chance. There is no one like Bakker. There is no one that can BE Bakker. Bakker is the No-God. Bakker is the Aspect Emperor. Bakker is Truth. Bakker. Is. KING.

>>21342354
His quality is extremely variable. Start with Eyes of the Overworld.

>>21342415
I like those old fantasy arts, they remind me that before all that uber chad conan imagery and other hyper-masculine portrayals of men there used to be a normal look expected from men, just normal looking dudes, sometimes with big muscles, sometimes with next to none, but they all looked like normal people.

>>21342502
The first book wasn't as memorable. Only Tsais was kind of cool. Eyes of the Overworld is quite witty.

Rereading Felix & Gotrek and like the third story there's a character named Gascoigne. Wondering if this is where Miyazaki got the name for Bloodborne, or if there's a common reference I'm unfamiliar with.

>>21341010
Review poster called it the most necessary unnecessary sequel ever, I thought that was pretty spot on

>>21341005
Should check out Viriconium
>>21342354
It's really too bad Dying Earth is his most well known because it's really not his best. The Dragon Masters is the best entry point for Vance.

Reading The Last Argument of Kings by Joe Abercrombie, should I continue with the standalone books and with The Age of Madness trilogy after?
Or just go on and start Hyperion?

>>21340808
>Stars My Destination
>Chaotic Evil
What is this? Did You Even read the book? I don't want to be mean but that chart si bullshit

>>21342354
Read "Jack Vance: Il ottimo fabbro"

>>21342662
The morale of that book is that mental illness is a super power

>>21342658
Reading Hyperion is always a bad choice, so just continue with Abercrombie. Just don't read that one standaloen book with lesbian girl as a protagonist, it's not bad in tiself but God, it was cringe as fuck to read a man trying so hard to write a lesbian. I enjoyed basically all Abercrombie's books, but that one while decent was horrendously cringe. Sentences like 'She had to pick a open a hole in the lock with a key, but gods, she always prefered holes to keys' filled the entire book.

I read litrpg shit where every woman protagonist is lesbian, written by fucking teenagers, and yet the cringe is much lower. Abecrombie's worst book, hands down.I think it was Sharp Ends. Idk, I stopped reading Abercrombie after.

>>21342682
Can you go into more detail with Hyperion would be a bad choice?
I am an Orthodox man from Eastern Europe, I heard those books include Christian symbolism, please without giving spoilers, thank you in advance.

>>21342692
NTA, but this old meme is the best I could do.

>>21342716
you need more pictures under "got"

>>21342716
The thing is that I really want to start reading a sci-fi, I thought after finishing The First Law trilogy I would take a break from Abercrombie and start with a proper sci-fi like
>Hyperion
>The Mote in God's Eye
>The Blind Sight
>A Fire Upon The Deep

I thought Hyperion would be best for me since I am a devout Christian.

>>21342735
>I am a devout Christian.
You're in for a bad time.

>>21342626
Do amerilards really think Gascoigne is a rare name? are you fucking retarded?

>>21342692
>Can you go into more detail with Hyperion would be a bad choice?
>I am an Orthodox man from Eastern Europe, I heard those books include Christian symbolism, please without giving spoilers, thank you in advance.
Hyperion is stupid. I know some people, even review anon like it, but I just cannot take the book seriosuly. It tries to be deep, but end but comical. If you read up to the fragment where a guy rolls down the hill, you will understand what I meant.

As for relligious symbolism...the story includes christian and jewish relligious symbolism, but I remember little, and some Anon recently described the book's message as 'relligion bad.' I didn't have that impression, but then I remember little, I read it years ago.

If you are just looking for a story that makes heavy use of relligious elements, I guess you will be satisfied.

>>21341005
>What did you finish recently?
The Marid Audran trilogy by Effinger
I saw it in the "scifi hidden gems" chart in the mega.
it's cyberpunk/crime drama in an ascendant muslim world.

very little action, so I personally wouldn't call it a hidden gem but I enjoyed reading it.
I also have no clue if he portrayed islam well or not.

>What will you read?
Budayeen Nights, a short story collection set in the same world, also by Effinger. it also contains the 2 first chapters of a planned 4th book, but he croaked before finishing it

>>21342682
lol yeah, that was one of his short stories. some master thief girl

>>21342658
the standalone novels are good also. haven't read Age of Madness yet

>>21342735
Hyperion is fine. You have to stick with it a little because it starts slow. A Canticle for Leibowitz and The Sparrow are good Catholic sci-fi as well.

>>21342028
Thanks
Is it good?

>>21342950
Banks was the best sci-fi writer of recent times.

>>21341802
my wife justice is so cute!

I only hear you guys shit on WoT. Someone that likes it can you convince me to read it. My homie is loving it on book 3 and just gave me the first book so I’m feeling obligated to give it a shot.

>>21342640
What’s best after dragon masters in your eyes then?

>>21341467
Possibly. No one really knows what will happen once someone crosses the threshold the machine creates. Also they probably have enough time to build some kind of boat, or even an entire flotilla

Did anyone else have accelerated reading (AR reading) at their elementary school? That bullshit system made you take a test, spat out a number range, and then you were only allowed to check out books from the library within your reading range. My friend (I’ll call her B) was a super avid reader and read the harry potter series from 3rd to 5th grade. B told me it was amazing and wanted me to read them but I wasn’t “allowed” to because my AR score was just under them
As a 24 year old man now, is it too weird to try and read harry potter?

A little too cutesy but not a bad read.

>>21343549
Remind me of it in 30 years once it's no longer popular.

>>21343541
that sounds like some bullshit

>>21343541
Lots of weird people way older than you read Harry Potter.

>>21343541
oh shit I remember AR! Yeah, the magic tree house series was too low for me to read, but harry potter was too high. That was some bullshit

>>21343621
>>21343541
I was condemned to read encyclopedia books because every non-fiction and even some fiction was considered too low for me to read. It was only in middle school that I began to read science fiction and fantasy, which has robbed me of the pleasure of reading said books in my very early years.

>>21343633
swap fiction and non-fiction around

>>21343633
>>21343639
Kek what a busted system. I think the intent was to make kids read above what they normally would have while not overwhelming them, but it ended up just doing the opposite

>>21341005
>What did you finish recently
Neuromancer
It was kinda meh. Maybe Gibson's style is too dry for me. Or maybe it's the genre overall.
>What are you reading currently
Just started reading Senlin Ascends. Some anon here shilled me Josiah Bancroft, and surprisingly I am enjoying it quite a lot. Its like a breath of fresh air.
>What will you read
Probably continue with The Books of Babel

>>21343380
It's good in the, but it slogs in the middle until it reaches the end.

>>21343835
>>21343380
*It's good in the beginning

>*you're sitting and reading*
>picrelated walks in to the room
>Anon, what are you doing?!
>*he grabs the book out of your hand*
>What's this? Oh, how interesting... *he opens the book at a random page and starts speaking in a mock-serious voice* The lesser spotted chinchilla lies mainly on the...*throws book out the window*
>Anon, bro, you're a grown ass man! How can you stand to read? I can't just sit and read a story book like a child. *mock retard voice while licking finger and turning invisible pages* Durr, da cow go moo! *end of silly voice* I need action! I need things popping off, I need chaos, I need adventure *clicks fingers in front of your face repeatedly*
>*group of 3 9/10 women in fancy dresses giggling at you nearby*
>Tessica, would you date a... No, would you FUCK a man that sits and reads bedtime stories all day?
>*Condescending giggling aimed at you* Tee-hee, I don't know Andrew...

>>21341061
>Wayne and Steris coexist in the train and at New Seran with no difficulties, everybody gets along
The scene I mentioned from Shadows of Self where he told Steris she was repulsive felt out of place, no exact reasoning given behind Wayne's dislike. It was so forced. That could have been something to address between he and Wax.
Two more things while I'm thinking about pertaining to TLM: 1) It should not have taken until the fucking final EPILOGUE to handle Wayne ceasing his in-person appearances to the girl he donated money to, and 2) considering I actually liked Marasi and think she was one of very few decent/competent Sanderson women, she's stranded on Scadrial. Maybe not fitting in with the Ghostbloods but who knows, I reckon she'll end up being a governor we hear about in Era 3.

>>21343541
I'm glad for all the faults of my country's education system we didn't have dumb shit like that

>>21343541
I 'member that. We had it but there were no weird guidelines of book rental. You could check out what you wanted, for the most part. I had the top 3 highest scores in my grade consistently.

>>21343889
>had
was in*

>>21343681
>Neuromancer
>It was kinda meh.
No one thinks you’re smart for saying things like this

I wonder what kind of person would intentionally try to start shit in the same thread for months. One can only imagine what burdens their tumultuous puddle of a mind. Most vexing

>>21342735
you might like Out of the Silent Planet

>>21343541
We had a system where you'd take a test on a computer to get points for reading books, which you could turn in for prizes. Max prize was a pizza party for your entire class. Got a ton of points from Eragon and Ranger's Apprentice

This is one of the most misogynistic books I've ever read. The ship's leader/main character's mom is an absolute sociopath. A neurotic mess who can't control her emotions and lashes out at her family over every little thing.

She's like the typical corporate climbing female boss. An emotional mess and a mary sue who is inexplicably loved by her family even though she's a psychopath.

KSR is an incel!

>>21344191
>This is one of the most misogynistic books I've ever read
Sold.

>>21344191
The main character is only good at social shit and retarded at math.

>>21344191
picked up

>Nynaeve
Is there a more annoying sounding name in existence?

I can think of like 5 other Bakker names that piss me off more

>>21344347
That's a terrible name but it's not Welsh

they rule supreme over me even though I should be the one ruling supreme over them, they don't even know who is Bakker.

>>21343541
yes, but no limits like you mentioned

>>21344063
this

I'm trying to remember a fantasy book about a guy who kills his father and gets his father's powers, but then powerful sorcerers come to kill him and take his powers, and the setting is like Egyptian but without Egyptian mythology.

>>21344191
Story gets even more hilarious:

>MC is 14
>is like 6'6"
>sets out on her "wanderthing" journey where she explores the ship's biomes
>immediately becomes a massive slut who fucks everyone and anyone she meets
>eventually gets pumped and dumped by her mom's ex
>her cuckold bf meets up with her right after she gets creampied by the mom's ex

lmaoooooooo

I'm going to try to read more female authors, like Le Guin.

>>21341005
>>21341091
Loli readers? What is that supposed to be?

>>21344611
Nice

>>21344611
No! You must read AGP authors like Django Wexler instead!

Anything similar to jinrui was suitai shimashita?

>>21342426
FInished first book, bought it based on sffg's recommendation. Very enjoyable. Brutal, brisk, complex and sucked me in. Will read the whole series now, thank you for a great tip. Shadow of the torturer next, hopefully it proves just as engaging.

>>21344347
You're worried about her name? Bro she gets so annoying her name will be the last of your concerns

>>21344611
Why would you torture yourself like this

FELLOWSHIP POWER RANKINGS
1 Gandalf the White
2 Samwise Gamgee
3 Aragorn, hier of Isildur
4 Gandalf the Grey
5 Frodo Baggins, son of Drogo
6 Boromir, son of Denethor II
7 Legolas, Prince of the Woodland Realm
8 Meriadoc Brandybuck
9 Peregrin Took
10 Gimli, son of Glóin

>brandycuck
>not dead last

>>21342415
I'm reading them for the first time and though they're kids books, they fit in that niche I think between Narnia and Lord of the Rings for content.

They're surprisingly well written. The Main character is an obnoxious twerp, but to his credit he wises up pretty quickly. In fact all the characters are well done, even if they only have one or two tropes each.

If you were writing the adventures of your D&D party, you'd probably come something close to Prydain.

Short, cosy, fantasy books.

>If you were writing the adventures of your D&D party, you'd probably come something close to Prydain.
5e-lets need the rope

>>21344814
Oh this is definitely BX stuff. Races as classes, one or two decent attacks, wizards with one really-overly-specific spell.

Any new Vampire lit with a Human Male MC and Female Vampire?

>>21344840
No, but I'll have to look

R. Scott Bakker.

Well I finished Night's Master and I really like Sivesh and Kazir's stories, but I'm pretty lukewarm on the others. If it wasn't for the sheer volume of cringeworthy, if mercifully brief, sex scenes it would easily be one of my favourite fantasy novels

Is there a single good sf/f light novel series? I've tried both Legend of the Galactic Heroes, and Vampire Hunter D. They both have interesting concepts but are written with such amateur prose I can't get into them.

>>21344914
>reading translations
But seriously, the answer is no. Nor is there anything good that wasn't traditonally published in the 20th century. Sorry, that's just the way it is.

Why do Mormons like SFF so much?

>>21345095
Quasi-Materialist theology combined with a conception of salvation that functions as cosmic manifest destiny.

Mormons were 100 years too early to be a UFO cult.

>>21344563
>her
stopped reading there

Do any of the newer releases of Tolkien's work actually contain new, previously unreleased writing or is it just the old texts being repackaged for more shekels? I'm speaking of stuff like "Children of Hurin", "Beren and Luthien" and "Fall of Numenor".

>>21344914
No. They're all raw material for anime.

>>21344914
Light novels have interior illustrations and are either serialized in magazines or online. Technically those are both translated novel series. It's unfortunate that their translations aren't better. Not literally all written genre media from Japan is a light novel.

>>21343912
Can’t be half as sad as the guy continually bitching about it and keeping it all going

>>21344660
There literally has never been a good female author in the history of literature. You can apply this to pretty much every art form.

>>21345201
Show me an actual sff book from Japan.

>>21343912
Same kind of person who is here 24/7 and will start complaining and seething how no one talks about books on a dedicated internets book discussion forum everytime someone starts shitposting (instead of just going along with it)

fantasy and sci-fi has no place on a literature board
don't @ me, already left the thread

>>21344611
There aren't any. At least not in sf.

>>21345219
>just follow the herd and how the hivemind behaves lmao
so mad you had to respond to him twice kek

>>21345207
https://www.viz.com/haikasoru

>>21342415
That twink looks like a guy I used to fuck during my uni years

>>21345095
Pretty sure Card and Sanderson act as patrons to a lot of other Mormons breaking in. Look up the idea of the "Mormon mafia" - not dissimilar to jews

>>21345257
this is true. mormonism is the literary equivalent to hollywood's scientology; a protection group for non jews. the belief system is secondary and only exists to legitimise it as a religion

>>21343549
I want to FUCK Rocky

>>21345222
This, but any discussion of women authors

>>21344914
Tanaka Romeo's stuff has pretty prose if you know japanese

>>21345289
Also
Mizuhito akiyama
Oosawa megumi

Any novels where the fantasy elements are "scientific" and consistent within the world? Like the author coming up with a new quantum particle field that adds extra properties to our world.

>>21345280
ok that's based

>>21345118
Raelism happended instead 100 years later.

>>21345363
I give all the recommended ones a chance and there’s just always a time at least within the first 50 pages where you get that feeling like boy this would be better written by a man. Every single time. Always obvious they got published because they were women. There must have been hundreds of authors better than Le Guin or Butler or whoever that didn’t get opportunities so their schlock could get published to fill a quota

>>21345392
I like Le Guin. Her and Atwood are the only ones I've ever been able to finish. Every other female written novel I've tried, I've had to drop it before half way through. It's kinda sad

>>21345392
Well I did like Harry Potter and although I haven't read it in like 15 years I bet it holds up. Oh and the first Hunger Games was good too

>>21345404
Get out.

>>21345419
I don't think I will. Harry Potter and Hunger Games is better than anything Sanderson has crapped out

>>21345425
What a low bar you've set for what you read.

>>21345425
Are you 6

This book was fucking beautiful, actual art. I loved reading it and I'd have surely shed tears were I not a crusty cold-hearted lump who never cries. I feel like maybe, just possibly, I should feel some shame at admitting that an ostensibly middle-grade book has crushed me. I don't, though, because if you've read this book you understand. And if you haven't, you probably should go do that because it's better then whatever it is you're reading right now.

If The story of Anakin's love affair with Padme was actually good and everyone were y'know..Dragons, It would have largely be this book. None of the other WoFstories quite held onto me like Darkstalker has left me with fluttery feelings inside straight away. The emotional scope and impact of this thing something I was not at all expecting. You know the story is doomed to end at least somewhat badly from the start, but the emotions involved roll in thick and fast from page one. Sutherland manages to juggle a thousand emotions at once with three different dragons’ separate perspectives, and they all weave together to form a tapestry of absolute heartbreak. I could feel Clearsight's pain when she could feel her and Darkstalker's dragonets dropping out of all the futures. I liked when I could see Fathom and Indigo's dragonets.

The dread doesn’t come in giant waves of evilness, either. It’s a slow downward spiral that once it begins, drags you along until you’re flipping back through the pages wondering when it got so DARK. One moment he’s innocently creating the Dreamvisitors, the next he’s ruminating on genocide. And then, like Clearsight, you realise that nothing Darkstalker did was ever truly innocent, and he duped you just like he duped her. It’s the most retched shit I’ve read in a long time.. Everything he does has you second-guessing by the end, even knowing what the final outcome is He’s a beautiful mixture of a thousand bad things at once, a perfect storm for a dragon destined for darkness. He’s a terrifying mix of natural charm, bigotry a broken background, and a disregard for other. such a well-written and non-cliche villain.

Talking dragons shouldn’t make one feel this much or rumiate on questions of perdestination or good/evil like this. Sutherland seriously outdid herself on this thing, and now I need to go read something happy, like Lord of the Flies or Wuthering Heights. It's nothing like the main series in the best way possible.The main books are all friendship junk, this shit is a personal drama of the best kind and it is so much better.

Plot is good. Solid. Tons of twists and moments. Characters develop in natural ways and god. Read the book. Even if you're not interested in WoF, at least read this thing, it is well worth your time.

5/5, 10/10. 99/100 This might have actually been the best piece of fiction I've read in multiple years. Last book to hit me this hard was maybe the Way of Kings. It's THAT fucking good. Holy shit.

>>21345439
You should try grown up books some time

>>21345439
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZMFwEhRcV1Q

Just finished Pic. Was not really impressed with this installment. The fifth book is out tomorrow. Hopefully it will be more like 2 and 3. What's everyone else's thoughts on this series. Beside it unashamedly stealing element from better sci-fi properties.

Seriously what is up with all the baby books here lately

>>21345432
I said I read it 15 years ago you ppppiece of shit

>>21345445
lol, no
this /sffg/, "grown ups" don't browse this place

>>21345439
Oh hey, I've seen this one in my library, I kinda assumed it was a sequel to Eragon.

>>21345461
It may as well be. Eragon was written by a child but this one is just written for children

>>21345453
If you feel like there's been an increase in baby books here, then it's a signal for you to leave, Anon.
Time for you to finally grow up into more mature hobbies, or perhaps it's just a sign for you to finally stop visiting this gen, clearly you've outgrown the genre.

>>21345445
i'm actually going to give some overt pushback here by reiterating my stance in saying this is one of the best novels that I have ever read and that I do not say that lightly or from the perspective of having a small/crappy catalogue behind me. I may not be a particularly good reviewer but I do read like two books in a week if I'm putting my mind to it and I have done so for a long time now. Darkstalker is really, *really* fucking good.

I'm frankly sorry that I gave the earlier books somewhat inflated scores scattering around 4.25, to 4.75 range since it downplays just how massive the quality gap between this and the other WoF novels actually is.

Initially i heard good things about this series and this book came up specifically as something special. Turns out there is a damn good reason this black dragon on a red backdrop is largely left to standout from the rest.

>>21345510
lmao

>>21345439
your """reviews""" are shit
fuck off

>>21345560
newfag nigger

>>21345439
>actually has a character named Padme in it
hahahahahaa

the black company is so good, did /sffg/ finally recommend me something worth reading?

>>21345570
fuck off shill

>>21345316
thats kind of Sanderson's thing, he does hard magic systems that are very consistent and sciency, theres something close to a particle which is what gives everyone powers. Infact they have actual scientists instead of traditional wizards who study it.

>>21345593
Why would you read Sanderson when you can read books from the YA section of Target like the dragonwings of whatever the fuck or whatever that childrens book this guy loves is called

>>21345601
I read both

>>21345604
It must be nice for your time to be absolutely worthless

>>21345439
Here Anon, I punched up your review. 500 hours in MS Paint; you're welcome.

>>21345588
yep, a newfag nigger
>>>/v/

>>21344879
>not liking /d/-tier sex in a 70s fantasy written by a british librarian lady
what are you, gay?

>>21345579
I enjoyed it, then it fell off fuckin' hard

>>21345645
yep a faggot shill

>>21345439
All that matters is your enjoyment. Your passion clearly came through and it made reading what you thought a pleasure.

>>21345724
If that was true they’d have a blog or a YouTube channel and wouldn’t be posting their opinions on 4chan

>>21345684
>then it fell off fuckin' hard
How? And at which book should I stop reading?

Was there any purpose to Sorweel chapters other than Bakker dumping tonnes of dreadully dull nonmen lore in your face? Sorweel had an interesting arc going on when he was with the Ordeal, but once he goes on incel adventures innamountains he becomes WhiteLuckLite and dies randomly

>>21345738
Unclear if troll or an idiot. Probably both.

>>21345724
Word salad dumps are never OK. That retard wastes so much screen space he could write for Penny Arcade.

>>21345854
Twitter seems like it's more your style. You can police there as well about character counts. All posts are never to exceed a few sentences at most.

>>21345439
You ask us to read it, but then you spoil a major plot point without warning?

>>21343380
The WoT is boomer series for boomers. You need to be 30+ years old to really appreciate WoT and to understand why it's well written. The series is opposite of all those fancy "thought-provoking, realistic and mature dark" fantasy books that only look like that on surface. Because on surface WoT is YA anime adventure of chosen one. Akin to climbing on Dragonmount you must reach "The Veins of Gold" by yourself or die trying because Nynaeve (best girl) can't stop tugging her fucking braid.

>>21345452
It's shit. You could have cut more than 50% of each book of unnecessary filler and it would have been a much tighter and well paced series.

>>21345789
>only an idiot things 4chan is silly
You’re deluded, man

>>21345779
Filtered. Sorwheel was the best part.

I juat finished first part of Earthsea, what did I think of it? Cause I loved it and I wonder if (you) did too

>>21343455
uh what? maybe i misunderstood it but i thought at the end everyone in the city decides to give up their way of living and instead do what the british girl says, which is to accept they are on planet earth and just stop thinking about moving towards the maximun since the girl made them believe it's just a mirage, and they don't actually have to follow it, it won't kill them or anything as the guilds always thought. but given what the MC described earlier in the book i thought that yes they do need to follow the maximun in order to survive or at least not decompose. and anyway if they later decide to build a boat or something it will be too late

>>21345923
>The series is opposite of all those fancy "thought-provoking, realistic and mature dark" fantasy books
It was written to be exactly that

>>21346200
It was one of my favorite books as a kid, and I also loved Atuan. Tehanu was an... experience, and book 3 I never finished.

Speaking of LeGuin, what would /sffg/ consider her best short story collection?

>>21346274
I don't think she has any collection of fantasy stories, only nonfiction, speculative, and science fiction. You mentioned Earthsea, and assumed you may want more fantasy.

recommend some high fantasy with romance and sex
no sarah j maas

>>21346328
Thanks, I didn't know that. Science fiction is fine too, though the Hainish cycle is not my favorite.

>>21346331
Check the charts in the OP or goodreads.

What are some of the most batshit novels?
Unconventional stories that don't follow basic story progression or logical in the slightest. Something that goes against all normal rules yet somehow still works?

Please no series.

>>21346354
>What are some of the most batshit novels?
The ones you can easily google to find them if you spend five minutes searching instead of waiting hours to get an answer here.

>>21340762
>Gateway to Obscura
what's that?

Is he right about the third book of Elric?

>>21346379
Why do you care, or think we care what some random person we don't know thinks of a book?

>>21345868
I'm pretty sure you're thinking of reddit where people spam vacuous positive sounding word salad for upboats.

>>21346354
That seems like an entirely idiosyncratic question that would completely depend on the individual. I can't tell if this is baiting for someone to respond with one of the heavily spammed books that happens almost every thread.

>>21346354
Simak's City for me
One of my favourite books and it barely has a plot and keeps jumping centuries into the future.

>>21346331
Have you not seen the anon who has been writing about fantasy sex books in this thread? Or do you mean more like how Game of Thrones, especially the TV series, has romance and sex? The recently aired House of the Dragon as well.

>>21346385
Yet, you cared enough to respond, and in turn so did I. This shows that care exists and the original post was justified. Now that that has been established you never have to ask that question again.

>>21346433
damn dude gottem

>>21346405
There are no upvotes here. Surely that means that all posts are done with sincerity rather than for any other reason.

>>21346358
Yea, I can find transgressive fiction. And I can slowly go from there.
But when I specifically include fantasy all I get are pages of trash.
It's either reddit where the vast majority of replies don't even read OP and just post whatever popular series they currently think of, or it's some other site with a shitty list of the most popular fantasy series.

Shit Luck by Tiffany Scandal, Audition by Ryū Murakami. With horror its easy.
Also classics like Last Exit to Brooklyn.
But scratching my fantasy itch with something like above novels is hard.

Few other examples:
The Iron Dragon's Daughter was nice. Could be less conventional, but pulls a nice bait and switch (for those expecting just a fun YA fantasy) and hits the right notes.
White as Snow by Tanith Lee. Fairly conventional, but the extremely depressing tone is great.
The Crooked God Machine is crazy. No logic in the world, and the world is as grim as you'd expect from Old Testament's God being done with humanity.
Philip K Dick had a great schizo mind (though not fantasy)


>>21346408
I should have been more clear.

>>21346385
Because I don't want to waste my money in an inferior book.

>>21346379
Why don’t you read the book and see if he’s right instead of asking us.

>>21346452
Then don't get it. That simple.

I liked this

I wonder if that anon who argued against Iron Dragon's Daughter having gnostic themes imploded from sheer retardation yet.

>>21346455
Because you guys are supposed to be the experts and connoisseurs on fantasy books and I'm asking for your opinion. There's no reason to waste money and time on a mediocre book. Why do you have your panties in a twist?
>>21346463
So you agree it's a bad book?

>>21346480
>>21346379
he's right
Moorcock has good ideas but is a pretty shitty writer overall.
From Elric to the law vs chaos to the multiverse moorcock is great with coming up with fantastic ideas but the execution can go from either great (like in the dreaming city, the first elric story) to mediocre (most of sailors on the seas of fate) to shit (most of his post 1970s elric writing)
half of the elric stories are just elric wandering around until chaos arrives and then it just treads from plot point to plot point. there's no high or lows or overarching cycle it's just wave after wave of slaughtering chaos creatures

>>21346448
The Raven Tower
One of the main characters is literally a large rock. It's also told in 2nd person.

Book of the New Sun has a fantasy exterior and a lot hidden to where it doesn't seem to make sense.

The Vagrant has a silent protagonist.

Wheel of the Infinite has strange stuff near the end

>>21346354
Not sci-fi, so I dm-d you the book title.

The Shadow of the Torturer by Gene Wolfe, monsieur?

Every character you meet in the story turns up again, hundreds of miles away, to reveal that they are someone else and have been secretly controlling the action of the plot. It feels like the entire world is populated by about fifteen people who follow the narrator around wherever he goes. If the next two books continue along the same lines, then the big reveal will be that the world is entirely populated by no more than three superpowered shapeshifters.

Everyone in the book has secret identities, secret connections to grand conspiracies, and important plot elements that they conveniently hide until the last minute, only doling out clues here and there. There are no normal people in this world, only double agents and kings in disguise. Every analysis I've read of this book mentions that even the narrator is unreliable.

This can be an effective technique, but in combination with a world of infinite, unpredictable intrigue, Wolfe's story begins to evoke something between a soap opera and a convoluted mystery novel, relying on impossible and contradictory scenarios to mislead the audience. Apparently, this is the thing his fans most appreciate about him—I find it to be an insulting and artificial game.

There is simply not enough structure to the story to make the narrator's unreliability meaningful. In order for unreliable narration to be effective, there must be some clear and evident counter-story that undermines it. Without that, it is not possible to determine meaning, because there's nowhere to start: everything is equally shaky.

At that point, it's just a trick—adding complexity to the surface of the story without actually producing any new meaning. I know most sci-fi and fantasy authors seem to love complexity for its own sake, but it's a cardinal sin of storytelling: don't add something into your story unless it needs to be there. Covering the story with a lot of vagaries and noise may impress some, but won't stand up to careful reading.

>>21346583
Holy shit this sounds absolutely based, like some sort of Roger Zelazny kino. Picking this up right now.

>>21346448
You mentioned schizo, and this is, especially the ending. It's called Dare to Know.

>>21346597
>Roger Zelazny
Thoughts on his Amber series? Kino or cringe?

>>21346583
Interesting how you both provide an inaccurate description and dislike it. Not bad bait.

>>21346424
there's a difference between fantasy series that happens to have sex scenes and romantic fantasy

>>21346583
BASED

>>21346611
Explain what's inaccurate about it

>>21346583
Utterly based, fuck wolfeniggers

>>21346622
You're pushing the Truman show angle too hard.

>>21345439
>>21345446
Read this years ago when I went through a dragon phase, I won't jerk it off like review-anon is but yeah Darkstalker completly floored my expectations. This is NOT a story about dragons on escapist adventures, This is really about tragedy, death, and kissy kissy teenagers. Less action sequences, more talking, lots of mind bending to be had with precognition thrughout. it's just? so unique, like they've known each other for years before they met very intimately before actually meeting because of their visions and i just. think that's cool and I can't think of another story that does it that way and from those same visions of the future plus the fact that people really should already know how this story ends in tears the entire exercise of reading it is analagous to a slowly tightening noose until the good timelines narrow away into a sliver and vanish completly.

Easily the best book of the entire WoF or Warrior Cats catalouge and it is by a margin so wide at to make them practically incomparible.

>>21346261
Books reads much more similar to Tolkien than Bakker or Martin. Especially first ones where you're still in RPG party/solo adventure phase before things turn into Mount and Blade. Most bad stuff isn't pushed so hard into your face for sake of it. Hell most fucked up shit happens on the background with other characters. You, the reader, just don't think about them so hard. The same way how Rand's chapters were done. You perceive the world from his pov, you see his thoughts. He's funny and based. And then you have those rare moments where you see Rand from other povs. You probably don't notice anything but if you pay some attention your neurons might activate. But hey don't think look *Elayne slaps Nynaeve's butt*.

>>21346622
I just wanted to see how you'd respond considering you're just pasting a review that's been pasted over and over again. You're really forcing it hard.

>>21346646
>>21346669
>wolfefag can't explain how keely is wrong
LOL

>>21346673
>been posting it since about the beginning of /lit/
>>/lit/thread/S1507737#p1507974

>>21346687
Forever unrefuted. Based Keely.

>>21346700
I hope you know that Keely is an extremely online far left atheist and probably hates you. It's really ironic what you're doing. So, keep it up.
https://www.goodreads.com/review/show/1598104

>>21341802
Just started a reread. I'll probably finish it right around when book 2 starts.

>>21346715
I don't care, I'm not an idpolfag. You can try all the tricks you want but he remains unrefuted.

>>21346734
Ok, but then you have to go along with his refutations if everything you like to read.

>>21346715
just like wolfe then
bow down to your fat fuck dead papist author wolfefag

Just finished Azarinth Healer, comfy af

Author doesnt spam status and notifications every 3 pages like most retards do with this genre

>>21346797
What do you think of Japanese litrpg light novels and manga? Some anime go really heavy on the status and notifications even.

>>21346834
I have never read any Japanese litrpg light novels/manga

Honestly I think it's very stupid, there are some authors out there who waste 1-2 pages to show all the time that the MC has raised 1 lvl with tthe full status screen showing every skill/status/title/achievs, Azarinth healer for example only comments ''Upgraded 10 more lvls, spent 60 points on such status'', u get the status screen somtimes, but not every second like most retards do, that's how it should be.

>>21346867
You know you could just read stuff that doesn't have any of that at all.

>>21345653
>what are you, gay?
i am not a woman

>>21346894
And I read, but in the same way that I enjoy reading Hyperion or The Hobbit, I enjoy reading a litrpg.

I like how this book looks, lads

I don't care about anyone's reviews. I just read what I want.

>>21346974
Her face is ugly

>>21346987
An ass is an ass to ass

>>21346974

>>21346985
What are you here for?

>>21347016
Everything except the reviews

>>21346379
Kind of, Moorcock calls himself a Bad writer with good ideas, also the Dream-quest trilogy was written like 25 years after Stormbringer and basically works as the "secret ending" of the Eternal Champion saga, so if you only read elric you are going yo feel very lost

>>21347040
What's the difference between discussion and reviews?

>>21347055
Retards like you will always reply while people who review things will know when idiots are wasting their time.

>>21344611
Female authors are ALWAYS based
>>21345280
>>21345392
>Read 2(two) women authors and i didn't like them, that means every female author is bad!
Cringy incel

What are some actually good sci-fi / fantasy I can nut to?

>>21347067
Ah, so that's the difference. Thank you for informing me. I appreciate it.

>>21347095
Dune
Heinlein if you are into older women (like me)

>>21347143
I'm into older women.
Especially those who are hundreds of years old but look like a teenager.

Fantasy good
Sci-Fi bad

>>21347183
Fantasy good
And scifi... Also good!
Just don't read scifi published after 1999 and you'll be fine

I like Bookpilled and Media Death Cult on YouTube who else is good?

>>21346867
The only really enjoyable one I've read that spammed statuses was Infinite Realm because it was kinda clear the author was a little way too in-depth with the system, but it's clear even he realised he was spamming them too much. It's one thing to do it for a new POV so you get what they do (that was often the case with interludes, they'd cap off with the status of this new person to show just what sort of levels the peaks really are) but goddamn it felt like every other chapter had them for the main characters in the earlier books.

>>21346379
>historically accurate politics

>>21346987
what face?

>>21346465
One of my favorites.
Probably the best the "man becomes monster to monsters" story ever.

>>21342393
That's part of the prologue, and funnily enough the prologue is the only thing worth reading in that LGBTQ dumpster fire.

>>21347143
>>21347155
based

>>21346974
Gimme the QRD bois do I have to read this shit in order or can I plop myself wherever?

>>21347183
SO true.

>>21346602
My thought is that Amber was weak and crumbled under its failure to realize its own ambitions, but it gains a point for playing that drama out in its own story.

>>21346602
I read the first one and hated it. Gave away my 10 book omnibus to a mate. Yes - I'm aware I'm retarded for buying a large and expensive volume without even trying the series.

>>21347571
Cope harder unenlightened swine

>>21347998
Wow, it’s just like all those shitty shounen animes.

>>21348061
That's because anime shit lives in your head rent free, webnovel turd

>>21347998
Am I supposed to be impressed about the Animesque scene? if so, then I'm not, since I could search garbage like that online, don't know what's so impressive about that.

>>21348075
Another turd who's brain is nothing but anime shit

>>21344547
Just wanted to let you know that I found your book using google and it took me a few seconds.

>>21347998
What’s so good about this scene? Does it remind you of an anime or something? I mean for a queer fantasy it’s fairly middling.

>>21348084
Don't even watch anime, your shitty scene is just reminiscent of that, if you can't accept that, then its your loss.

>>21347998
K I N O
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>>21348061
>>21348075
>>21348103
>>21348111
SAMEFAG

>>21345277
Rocky is not for sexual.

>>21347998
i love how he writes battle sequences like this, bypassing the step by step rpg-style combat other authors do, and instead giving this broad overview focused on the mass awe or terror the events inspire

>>21348095
Is it really that much of a surprise? He gave away so much detail that I would more shocked if people couldn't find it on google.

>>21348127
>death came swirling down
But I agree. The battles were great.

>>21346583
God, I love Keely so much. One of the few reviews whose opinion I respect.

>>21348167
I just like him because he makes wolfefags seethe and froth at the mouth without ever refuting his claims.

>>21348176
Meh, his opinions on things are worth reading and considering, even if you do disagree with him

>>21347095
The Rise of Endymion if you like jailbait.
Book of the New Sun if you like rape.
Slaughterhouse Five if you like porn stars and BBW girls next door.

https://i.4cdn.org/wsg/1667437575003749.webm

>>21348195
Not a pedo nor am into rape, I’ll check slaughterhouse five.

>>21348197
Go to >>>/b/ retard.

>>21348195
>The Rise of Endymion if you like jailbait.
Based

>>21348202
fuck off

>>21348215
no

>>21348197
Why do you keep posting these? Fuck off to either >>>/b/ or >>>/gif/

>>21348202
Wow there is a lot of degeneration
I don't want to go there

>>21348228
No, please
I prefer to continue doing it here

>>21348233
No, fuck off

>>21348230
It's where you belong.

>>21345752
can't remember. I just lost interest, all I remember was they were going through some kind of fuckin' desert place.

I really liked how the author wrote the magic/wizards, it was a unique take on it

>>21348201
slaughterhouse five is a really good book, you'll like it.

>>21348233
Go away attentionwhore.

>>21347309
Should we know who those people are?

>>21348264
I think they're booktubers or something.

>>21348268
It literally says “on YouTube” in the post

>>21348272
Yeah, I don't care. I don't watch e-celebs or whatever the fuck they're called.

>>21348264
If you don’t you can probably just ignore the post instead of shitting up the thread more, idiot

>>21348277
They’re not called that

>>21348280
I truly, cannot emphasize more that I do not care about your e-celebs. Or whatever the fuck they are called. Okay.

>>21348278
Dude is coming here naming names that we should know, just stating that we don’t.

>>21348283
You’ve written several lists about it and will probably reply to this one

>>21348210
she's russian, guys

>>21348297
Okay, and? Fuck off to /pol/ if you’re that stupid

>>21348297
Russians are well-known to age like milk.

>>21348297
Not an an idpolfag.

>>21348315
Neither is the majority of posters here.

>>21346985
same

>>21348152
Might be for him.

>>21348312
prove it

>>21346583
He's not wrong, there is artificial "rereadability" in the book.

>>21340762
Almost done with the Scar, really liking it so far. Might get Perdido Street Station next

>>21345752
Stop when Murgen becomes the narrator, right after The Lady book ends.
You can read the last book if you want.

It's not simping if it's for The Lady.

>>21348523
I can fix her

New thread
>>21348716

>>21348155
the repitition of that does stand out, but i can forgive it for being a sort of pastiche of homer