/lit/ - Literature

I love 40k and ASOIF lore

What other series are good to wikibinge?

How can a thread be terrible when it's merely composed of people posting in it?

Any books about an evil overlord going around taking over nations and kidnapping mistresses?

STOP MAKING NEW THREADS GOD DAMNIT

>>21311328
> merely composed of people posting it's terrible
I swear this general is full of more crying man babies than anywhere else on 4ch

Just finish reading the fifteen lives of Harry August I was surprised by how well-written it is and how enamored I was by the story, which I would describe as Kino. If anyone wants to read a time travel that’s a time-loop, I would definitely recommend this book.

>>21311429
That’s cool, been looking for some time loop that wasn’t self-publish garbage, I’ll probably pick it up after I’m done with Sabriel.

>>21311319
Has anyone ever read some Christian fantasy book? Sorta like Chronicles of Narnia? I know C.S Lewis, and Tolkein are few such fantasy authors that included religious symbolisms but are there more or is it a small niche? I’m already reading A canticle for Leibowitz, and I’ve just ordered the Space trilogy by Lewis and the entire His dark Material series. Thanks if you guys help.

Bakker is King

>>21311320
Gene WOLFE

>>21311685
Botns has very catholic under(over)tones

>>21311429
This was a very enjoyable read, it hooked me really early on and I couldn't put it down until I finished it.

Would you spend 42 American dollars on a boutique fashion style dad hat that had your favourite genres on it?

>>21311999
It's only missing the propeller
Also nice trips

>>21311685
Gene Wolfe

>>21311685
Based.

Read Jack Vance’s books. Start with Dying Earth.

>>21312182
I'm reading Lord of the Mysteries right now, maybe when I get finished.

>>21312182
No. I'm starting with something else by him in fact.

>just started reading Short Sun for the first time
>got to the part where Seawrach gets into Horn's boat
>remember the part where Horn says he has lots of new young wives in his palace
>realize Wolfe is writing another harem novel
Why was he such a horny little bastard?

Read The Wandering Inn

Read Mother of Learning

Read I Shall Seal the Heavens

>>21312182
But i already read the big book
Where should i go from there?

>>21311319
Redpill on pic related. It's the latest book my normie friends won't shut the fuck up about. They usually give shit recommendations, but apparently it's like Cloud Atlas, which I enjoyed. Worth reading or not?

>>21312340
industry plant

>>21312340
Mandel's a decent writer but she's unfortunately buoyed up by other novelty it being 'the girl who wrote about the epidemic right before the epidemic' and the fact that the Station 11 TV show was really well done. Sea of Tranquility is fine, it's a bit self masturbatory, a bit aimless. It's strongly character based but I didn't find any of the characters particularly compelling. I think your friend are just being taken in by the fact that she's the current Cool Thing.

>>21311328
Funnily, this board was only good when it was part of another board.

>>21312190
try Lyonesse

>>21312333
Lyonesse

>>21311685
Byzantium by Stephen Lawhead. Circle Trilogy by Ted Dekker. The Golden Queen by Dave Wolverton. Only Circle Trilogy is Christian allegory, but the other two have interesting conversions.

>>21312333
Planet of Adventure

>>21312182
I'm assuming the man is Cugel and the masked person is Ioucounu, but who's the chick?

>>21312745
Can't remember the names but in the first town (where he gets the eye of the overworld) Cugel is saved by a princess chick who rides in a carriage with legs. He later rapes and sells her to a bunch of wood hicks.

>>21312759
>sells the girl to woodniggers
>"Surely he has a plan to get her back"
>He doesn't
>We never hear about her again
That was fucking grim.

Does Dan Simmons hire other writers for his sequels? That or just phone it in and save his brain for the next big one. Hyperion and illium both said all they needed to, but the plots didn't end so your lizard brain craves more, so I figure he knew this and also wanted another swimming pool installed, and that's why for every masterpiece we get 2-3 entertaining but consistently inferior sequels.

I’ve never heard of Sanderson until today and I think it will be my next read. Should I start with Mistborn or Stormlight?

>>21312830
>hears about Sanderson
>immediately decides to read him
Please tell us what you have read so far.

>>21312822
Even his standalone books shit the bed in the end, he just can't write a decent ending to save his life. Out of everything i read from him, only Summer of Night and Carrion Comfort felt truly satisfying.

>>21312868
I’m not a big reader but I’m trying to get into it. Since July I’ve read macbeth, beowulf, and tom sawyer (found them in my closet from high school english class). I went to barnes & noble and picked up rendezvous with rama and Isaac’s Storm and finished those. Right now I’m half way through Two Towers and I’m in love with tolkien
I wanted to start song of ice and fire, and i’m a pretty fast reader, but the sheer length and number of that series is kind to filtering me

>>21312769
there are no breaks on the cugel train

>>21311729
>Bakker is King
Truth Shines!

>>21305318
Agreed, like the Soulcatcher a lot and magic and the Taken were cool. Although later books were not as good imo.

Read this series .

>>21311319
The Urth of the New Sun, The Book of the New Sun #5 - Gene Wolfe (1987)

The Urth of the New Sun was like a novel-length epilogue to the previous four books which were one story written at the same time and then split into four volumes. It may simultaneously have been both the most necessary and unnecessary addition to what could have been a considered a finished narrative that I can recall. I've read this series primarily as science fiction rather than fantasy, so the transition was probably far less jarring for me than for those who read it as a dominantly fantasy series.

Several new mysteries were put forth, but they were mostly answered in short order and often explicitly, though there was also still room for much speculation. There were a few times where major events were so blatantly nonchalant that it could be said that they were hidden in plain sight. I don't know know if I became inured to them, or if there were simply less, but it didn't seem like there were as many substituted words overall. The religious references this time were far more prevalent and obvious than they were in the previous books. They seemed to be primarily drawn from the Kabbalah, the Bible, and possibly Zoroastrianism, though there's doubtlessly much else I didn't recognize at all.

Retrocausality, a concept that I tend to dislike, was prominent. It was only hinted at in the previous books but by the end I felt like it was the explanation for almost everything that ever happened for the entire series. I'm unable to think of a single work of media where the concept increased my enjoyment. At best it's neutral for me and often negative. I enjoy time travel stories a lot, but I also take issue with them just as much. I understand how the reductive implications could cause a person to feel like the series had become invalidated and consider it non-canonical as a matter of self-defense.

At this moment I can't think of any protagonist that has failed upward more than Severian did over the course of a series, but that wasn't his fault at all. Severian's story really is one of some random guy unknowingly subjected to forces far beyond his control trying to make sense of it in the best way way that he can. If this were written in third person omniscient or from the perspective or someone else, it would be a rather different story. I still don't understand how Severian works as a character as well he does.

I'm satisfied with my understanding and speculation of the series, the details of which I've barely touched on because I don't think this is the place for it. I don't feel the need to go overly much into secondary sources or to devote the time to expound upon theories. My overall thoughts on the series are that it's fun, different, and well-made in a way provides a lot of depth in of itself, and much more that can be readily self-created, especially for readers who enjoy investigating and elaborating upon puzzles.

Rating: 4/5

>>21313205
your reviews are shit
fuck off

>>21313236
kek

>>21312822
Hyperion (I'm refering to the first 2 books) definitely didn't "say all it needed to" and benefited greatly from the conclusion provided by the sequels. It would only have been good/decent without them.

Fang Yuan did nothing wrong during the bear-incident.

I'm thinking about checking this book out. It sounds interesting but is it worth the time to read?

>>21313467
first 3 books yes, skip rest

>>21312830
>>21312897
I'm not a huge fan of Sanderson. I only started reading outside of school a year or two back and Stormlight was where I started. It was interesting as a setting but pacing feels really bad and the more books I read from other series the worse my opinion grows in regard to Sanderson.
His works are so long winded and it makes things drag. I want to get more into the plot and the world but he insist on spending 2 full pages on how inspired drawing makes a character feel. I only finished the first two books, I started the third but dropped it the moment a certain character became the PoV, they feel like they were ripped out of a YA dystopian novel.
I think the worst part about his work, stormlight at least, is that they seem to follow the pacing of modern tv dramas. Nothing ever happens outside of the last two pages, or sometimes last two paragraphs, of a chapter, followed by a switching of PoV. It feels manipulative because he is ending every chapter on a cliff hanger and then makes you read another 26+ pages to get to the next tidbit of story. I felt like I was reading in anticipation of the book getting good rather than because the book is actually good.

>>21313467
The entire thing is worth reading. It gives a good example of the benefits and problems of changing narrators.

>>21313603
I'm reading on past the third book and the worst one so far has been The Silver Spike, because Croaker isn't the narrator.

>>21312897
It seems you have been reading the good stuff, so I don't know why would you turn to mediocre long-winded trash like Sanderson when you could go for Hyperion, The Darkness That Comes Before, Dune, The Lord of Light, etc.

>>21313205
no one cares

Sam Hyde is talking about Philip K. Dick so I predict there's going to be an influx of Dick praise imminently. For the record I never liked him.

I need hard sci-fi recommendations, specifically dealing with realistic spaceflight. I've read a good deal of Heinlein and Clarke, and I'm on the 6th book of The Expanse. Had anyone read anything from Ben Bova? I'm specifically looking at his Grand Tour series.

>>21313521
>>21313626
Okay thanks for the heads up. I’ve been putting off Hyperion I think I’ll start that instead

what's a beginner sci-fi book I could read

>>21313788
War of the Worlds

>>21313788
Dune. Enders game. Blindsight. The Expanse

>>21311685
Read some George MacDonald.

>>21313205
I'd read the reviews for the series, but the I'm afraid I don't want to be spoiled for the time I finally have the time to read the story.

latest twi chapters kinda suck.
I need something good to read
>>21313467
I enjoyed it

>>21313821
I mostly try to avoid spoilers and only speak in generalities even after the first book, but if you want to go completely blind into something, or close to that, it may be preferable not to read anyone has to say about whatever series.

Should I?

>>21313959
Sure, why not?
>>/lit/thread/S17802288#p17804953

>>21313761
>For the record I never liked him.
Sure. This general has always been full of newfags with poor taste in books. You fit in. :)

>>21311363
Closest thing I've read is probably Prince of Thorns

>Steris was deliberately written as autistic; Brandon felt like he did a poor job representing people on the spectrum with Adien in Elantris, and so she and Renarin were written partially in an attempt to correct that.[40]
tfw no old autistic girlfriend

>>21312317
Never reading anything that is shilled as hard as you're shilling this Harry Potter knock-off

>>21313764

There is a rock album by Finnish band CMX called "King of Winter", that is essentially a sci-fi story. Author of lyrics, poet and occultist A. W. Yrjana, planned on writing a follow up book, but he had his laptop with the draft stolen, and so the complete story will likely never be released to the world. What is left of this unwritten book is just 12 songs, that are intentionally vague, unreliable (one is literally described as "excerpts from propaganda") or misleading, and all of them out of chronological order. The sixth song is a genius piece of meta-commentary, sang from perspective of an archivist who is trying (and mostly failing) to reassemble the entire story from old legends and poems.

What's so good about King of Winter album in literature terms, then? Quite a few things. Yrjana, being an occultist, uses language of myths a lot, combining it with a futuristic setting to create a rather unique tone. Here's an excerpt from the song of Praetorian Cyborgs, translated by me:

"Teratogenes turn us into chimeras,
cyborgs and cherubs we kill in battle,
golems and seraphs the enemy has prepared,
And archangels are gestating in his womb-tanks."

Trying to turn 12 songs into a story, finding the smallest connections and cross-references in them, is an interesting task in itself, and even after extensive research I still have more questions than answers. Yrjana appeals to universal themes, the main of which is cyclical nature of tyranny, but there are also songs about martial pride, loyalty, hope, despair and, finally, triumph over evil, although by the end it's easy to emphasize with the titular Winter King having his titles stripped from him. Try it for yourself, if you aren't afraid to delve into foreign language media. Listen first to this clip, if you enjoy it, you'll enjoy the rest. https://youtu.be/d53f-gDYWuI . If you loved the Red Commander's story, search for full Talvikuningas album on Youtube. Enjoy great musical performance, then arm yourself with Google Translate, and try to decipher the story yourself. I'll be in this thread, ready to help or answer questions about this strange piece of art I fell in love with.

>>21312182
But I don't like short storíes...

>>21314190
Here's the only official illustration to the story. Vevo clip isn't canonical, but the band loved it anyway.

>>21314199
It's a story I'm talking about, not specifically music. The book will never be written, but reconstructing parts of it was a one of a kind experience, that demanded knowledge of mythology, physics and history of sci-fi genre.

>>21312182
Dying Earth cartoon would be kino!
>>21312273
Wait until he pulls a Jolenta on her.
>>21312822
I think he was just pulling shit out of his ass in Endymion, seeing what kind of shit sculpture he could build.

>>21314190
Good god, how many more retards are we going to get until this general fucking dies? There’s literally a board called /mu/ for music shit. Go there. Don’t know why you’re on /lit/.

>>21313764
The Forever War, Tau Zero maybe
I'm also thinking about one with generational space travel where everything goes to shit, but I can't remember the title

>>21311319
Hey I'm a big 40k fan and a military vet, thought i'd try my hand at some warhammer write candyassery.
Dunno how it reads to you guys

https://pastebin.com/g8FvLrTH

>>21314190
>There is a rock album
And I stopped reading, this is a literature board, you're looking for >>>/mu/ that's the music board.

>>21314224
Wrong general. Go to the writing general >>21305010

>>21314225
>>21314220
Lyrics are literature, no?

>>21314224
Sorry but I exclusively read Warhammer from >>>/aco/wsg

>>21314100
I read three of his novels. Two were praised as among his best. They were two of the worst novels I have ever read. The third one was Goosebumps for adults. But you can like what you want.

>>21314242
>Lyrics are literature
When done in the form of music, which is what you're shilling for, no.

>>21311319
Do you prefer the lofty Biblical tone of the Silmarillion or some other form of worldbuilding/document of history?

>>21314224
Try /wg/ in the /lit/ catalog. Also look out for calls for submissions from Black Library.

>>21313788
ringworld series, expanse is good like >>21313798 says but the rest of those are kind of dry except blindsight, that one's wet as I recall.
I've been rereading daniel suarez's books, they're set in modern day with modern tech, they're extra tasty for gamer nerds.

Tomorrow is our time, edgebros

>>21313788
Shadow and Claw

>>21314100
>no taste
Unless he meant he never liked Sam Hyde.

>>21314575
>clawmen

>>21313341
It's amazing how something so tame filtered so many people. I assume it's really just a meme excuse they throw out because it's so early on and hyped. Barely anyone talks about the twins and NO ONE has talked about the living skin-suit or baby souls.

>>21314816
Eating monkeys was waaaaay more fucked up desu

>>21314822
Yeah that was actually creepy, since I think it's the only time something like that happened and served no actual purpose. He had a clear reason to torture all those other people to death, but he just killed those monkeys for fun.
I'd say it's the only real "edgy" scene inn the entire series, I kinda wonder why he even wrote it.

>>21314816
The 'bear incident' is his first major atrocity and one that's given an abundance of detail. I doubt 90% of people who found issue with that scene went on to read another book. That or how poorly the final act is written, that's what killed it for me.

>>21314549
Can’t wait for the ugly female to be the star again while the protagonist continues to be a useless piece of shit all day.

>>21314896
Yeah it's kinda rushed there at the end, but it all wraps up neatly so it didn't bother me much. It's interesting that Book 2 is almost a complete restart, with Book 1 only existing to introduce the setting, main character, and a few plot elements that show up later, kinda like a prologue.
You couldn't cut it out, since nothing would make any sense without it, and it also couldn't really be much longer or shorter. Gue Yue ancestor didn't get much screentime, but he basically COULDN'T since it'd be extremely forced for a guy like that to hang around and talk to people instead of just instantly trying to kill everyone. At best I think it MAY have been possible to combine him with the flower wine monk, but that would require a major rewrite and it's pretty hard to figure out how to make it work. At least the climaxes in later books are better constructed.

Is there even a good fantasy series to get into after you get accustomed to Gene Wolfe? Everything feels like it was written by children. Am I cursed to suffer forever? Wolfefags help me.

>>21315005
If you mean Book of the New Sun, Wolfe says it literally doesn't have fantasy elements.

>>21315020
What are "fantasy elements?" Does this just mean "nothing is supernatural, because the advanced-technologies-indistinguishable-from-magic canonically obey the laws of physics (even when they don't)?"
How is that any different from when GRRM says ASOIAF doesn't contain any science fiction (despite the fact that it obviously takes place on a planet with a sun, stars, etc.).

>>21314629
Sure but he confirmed it with his poor taste in books. Notice the faggot didn't even list the actual titles that he 'read'.

>>21315005
Jack Vance was a major influence on Wolfe, though he does have different strengths. Try Lyonesse.

While reading Lord of the Mysteries it occured to me that this is the book that Daniel Greene wishes he wrote.

>>21315005
Wolfe fans: making Bakker fans sound unpretentious by comparison

>>21312822
Maybe the publisher asks for sequels he doesn't want to write.
There was that bit in Silenus' story where his publisher makes him write a dumbed down sequel to his earlier work.

>>21314190
Love shit like this.

>>21315182
Do these “bookish” YouTubers work even end up pulling through any of their claims to being an author. They just want attention and admiration instead of honing their craft as writers. Here’s a video on some sanctimonious bitch YouTuber who used bots to shill her book.
https://youtu.be/fnOFzDmFIQM

>>21315048
"I view The Book of the New Sun, as science fantasy - by which I mean a science-fiction story told with the outlook, the flavor of fantasy. There are no fantasy elements involved -- no "magic" in the fantasy sense. Tehre is time-travel, but that belongs to sf, not fantasy. There are hypnotism, sleight of hand, and a few other things, but those belong to the world of reality, if not the world of science" (Thrust no. 19, winter spring 1983)

>>21312822
>>21315228

>>21315330
To his credit Daniel Greene has published two stories now. They're shit, but at least he's put his mouth where his money is.

>>21315182
>>21315182
I don't actually want to read this mother fucker's book but does he have a following enough I can read a wiki synopsis? Truly curious about what he spends his time on because his opinions are bargain barrel as fuck, identical to r/Fantasy.

>>21315182
>>21315406
Nevermind, think I can guess the grade of writer he is based on this single tweet.

>>21315417
lmao

>>21315417
We are going through a great filtering. In a few generations all leftists will be bred out of existence.

Lord of Mysteries is garbage. Why do you faggots keep shilling it?

>>21315462
it's good and comfy

>>21315462
Filtered

>>21311320
The D&D settings are good wiki binges. Dark Sun is a favorite.

>>21314422
Lofty and Biblical all the way.

is independent webfiction allowed here?
"cause i'm reading "The Last Angel" and find it pretty good

>>21313205
Good review.
Most necessary unnecessary sequel about sums it up.

>>21313764
Try some Niven. Ringworld is the most famous and not a bad place to start, but for my money Crashlander and World Out of Time are where it's at.
Oh and The Mote in Gods Eye. that's one of the finest scifi novels of all time. Too bad the sequel is dog shit.

>>21314422
I like how it was presented in The Prince of Nothing trilogy. Little excerpts of in universe literature, and then you're presented with the encyclopedic glossary at the end of the third book that pushes the scope wider and deeper, allowing you to plug in all of the puzzle pieces you've been given throughout.

>>21312897
The whiplash of going from that stuff to sanderson might actually kill you. Be careful bro.

>>21312897
Song of Ice and Fire goes fast.

>>21315462
What's bad about it? Imo the only issues are excessive plot armor, and that's more of a preference than an objective flaw since it's all diegetic.

>>21315462
Becaue the koreaboos got bullied off of /a/

>>21315715
Thanks, I think it sums it up as well. It's a very odd feeling for that to be entirely true. Next thread will be what I thought about Lexicon Urthus. Then I'll be done with it until I read the rest of the Solar Cycle sometime next year. Probably within the first four months.

>>21316002
it's chinese

Does the Xeelee series ever connect in any way? Because the first three books (Raft, Timelike Infinity and Flux) are largely standalones with ties to something bigger going on.

>>21313467
First book has an open ending and you can stop there if you want to. Books of the North + Silver Spike are definitely worth reading, though. Books of the South change the setting and tone.

finally finished Darkness that Comes Before

Has anyone tried to write their own fantasy story?

>>21316400
Yes, and they even made their own general called the writing general for all aspiring writers >>21305010 Don't know how you can miss it, it even has writing in the name.

>>21316408
Just like the Science Fiction and Fantasy General is awful for discussing science fiction and fantasy, Writing General is awful for discussing writing.

>>21316538
I don't really like /wg/ either but there's no point in moaning about the state of /lit/ anymore because there's been an influx of newfags. The fact everything is archived and my cringe has been sealed on Warosu brings me great fear, though I could not know of such things as a naive young man bereft of Nous. There's greener pastures on various different platforms or even personal servers, particularly even emergent places like Urbit.

>>21316380
Cool, you're one third of the way through the prologue.

>2 books of just "NOOOOO I AM JUST LE HECKING SHAPERD"
>start book 3
>now greeted with "NOOOO I AM JUST LE HECKING BLACKSMITH"
I am so tired of this shit, bros.

>>21313467
I just finished the first 3 tonight. They were fantastic, it starts a little slow in terms of larger plot but by the end of the 1st book it really draws you in with the world building. His descriptions of magic are really inventive and give you a good feeling of being a simple soldier who doesn't understand everything going on.

>>21316602
>now greeted with "NOOOO I AM JUST LE HECKING BLACKSMITH"
Well, you've got ten more books of that. Have fun.

>>21316602
Perrin is the worst (male) character, although I think some of his scenes in that book are great. Mat hard carries the trio though, he's a lot of fun and I thoroughly enjoyed reading about him getting sexually assaulted at knifepoint by a shortstack milf

>>21314835
>Yeah that was actually creepy, since I think it's the only time something like that happened and served no actual purpose. He had a clear reason to torture all those other people to death, but he just killed those monkeys for fun.
>I'd say it's the only real "edgy" scene inn the entire series, I kinda wonder why he even wrote it.
The problem with the monkey scenes is that they aren't really supposed to be creepy - People in China actually do eat monkey brains like that, it's a delicacy. Bug men get up to shit you wouldn't believe.

>>21315733
oh yeah, forgot about the moties. I think Protector is my favorite Niven story.

>>21313467
Read all books, even the book where The Lady becomes a narrator.
After that you can skip the schizo ramblings of Murgen and go straight to the last book.

Sand dan Glotka is a based cripple.

>>21315444
Most people having a vasectomy already have kids though

>>21316296
Yes
Raft and Flux are mostly side content, while Timelike Infinity and Ring are the main story

Which one of you fags told me David Zindell was good?

>>21317151
Not me, I told you to read Lord of the Mysteries.

New LotM side story in just 2 days bros

>>21317151
I told you to read Angela Carter. Sorry bro

Give me a book about an unrepentant autist who disregards others and fucks about doing what he wants. One that isn't Primal Hunter, which I enjoyed a bit at first but didn't like the post-tutorial stuff.

I'd rather read female writer YA than webnovels

>>21317404
Reverend Insanity
Embers ad Infinitum

>>21317410
Reverend Insanity is shit, I haven't heard of the other one so I'll look it up.

>>21317404

I'd rather read tranny writer webnovels than YA

I just finished reading Childhood's End by Arthur C Clarke, and I absolutely adored it. Is there any other sci fi story that has somewhat spiritual undertones like this? Or even just a story with an ending as bizarre as this?

>>21317438
Yes. And they're both extremely loved and hated by /lit
The Book of the New Sun - Gene Wolfe
Remembrance of Earth's Past - Liu Cixin

>>21316602
MFW I'm sure I've read at least the first 4 books, kinda enjoyed each one of them but because I read them years apart, I don't know if the series is getting better.

I'm enjoying the Old Man's War series and i'm tired of pretending i'm not.

>>21317474
>I don't know if the series is getting better
they only gets worse

Jonothon Poopoo & Mr Peepee

>whole page excerpt from a 19th century poem in sci-fi book
>bemused frog.png

>>21315005
Mask of the Sorcerer

>>21317474
>MFW
where's your face?

>>21315005
>Vance
>Shea
>Dunsany
>Smith
>Howard
>Clarke
>Carter
>MacDonald
>Schweizter
>Peake
>Bakker
>Kikuchi
>Ford
I really could go on and on. There's so much great fantasy you've still yet to read anon

>Kikuchi
Anon it was a good list until you went full retard

>>21312182
Do you suggest this edition?

>>21317492
That's cool. What is it? I think a lot of early sci fi authors loved to take literary allusions, and I've tried to do so too in my middling sci fi.

>>21317634
It's fine - has everything collected in an affordable paperback. Although I'm onto my second copy as it fell apart after a few reads.

>>21316602
You were warned.

>>21316602
I warned you about wheel of time bro
I told you dog

>>21317404
R. Scott Bakker - Prince of Nothing

>>21313764
If you haven't already, the classics in the area of time-dilation space travel are Forever War by Joe Haldeman (what if deploying troops meant their return put them totally out of timeline) and Tau Zero by Poul Anderson (what if we can't stop accelerating) and both are excellent, although the latter feels a little dated with some fairly utopian future earth setup. If you like Clarke's 'best of us working together' setups it's fine though.

My personal pick that I demand all my friends read is Passage at Arms by Glen Cook (author of Black Company) and it is the single grittiest, real-feeling and believable account of space crew combat. It's basically Das Boot in space and I love it.

>>21315005
I love Wolfe, but sometimes you need something with less a few less layers, even while retain some semblance of "literary" SciFi/fantasy.

Vance is proto-Wolfe but fun, try Bakker for big epic edgy, M. John Harrison for poetic, Peake's 'Gormenghast' for atmospheric and please, while it isn't anything as heady, read Alfred Bester. The Demolished Man and The Stars My Destination rekindled my love of sci-fi, as brief as they are, so powerful and full of motion.

>>21316400
Yes. It's hard.

>>21318045
>wolfe
>literary
OH NO NO NO

>>21318175
Explain

>by Jove!
>great Scott!
>I say!
Stop.

>>21317781
This but unironically.

>>21317079
LOL

>>21318269
Read Lewis first time?

>>21313467
Finished the whole series a few days ago. Honestly it's consistently good. Probably not a good idea here to compare it to Malazan but I feel like it's more coherent and just more fun.

>>21318190
>Explain
>The cenobites treasured up the relics of the sannyasins because the sannyasins had approached the Pancreator. But everything had approached and even touched the Pancreator, because everything had dropped from his hand. Everything was a relic. All the world was a relic. I drew off my boots, that had traveled with me so far, and threw them into the waves that I might not walk shod on holy ground
Wolfefags consider this "literary"
Wolfefags who larp as catholics consider this text profound and holy
it's fucking shit

>>21317438
>somewhat spiritual undertones
You call those undertones?

>>21318769
>Main character begins to synthesize the sum of all his experiences thus far
>Main character gets even moderately existential
>AHHHH RELIGION!!!! AHHHHH IT'S SHIT!!!! TRADCATH NONSENSE FUCKKKKKK I'VE NEVER READ A BOOK BEFORE AHHHHHHHHHHHHH

Absolutely fucking filtered.

>>21313341
There was never even an implication that Fang Yuan had done anything wrong.

>>21314896
I felt bad for Hei lou lan and tai bai yun sheng and how they got randomly killed off, like they just died and author did not even mention them again.

>>21314173
Credit to JK Rowling... Harry Potter makes more effective use of its page count. Entire middle section of Mother of Learning could be compressed into 10 chapters.

>>21318769
You need to read more books mate. Or like any at all.

>>21311319
An idea came to me: what if creating your own killer is not evil, but destiny? Humanity came into existence when our evolutionary goal is to create a new species, our direct descendants, but better than us in everything. They will destroy us, and that's good. Have any books been written with this idea in mind? Preferably without AI.

>>21318957
Feel bad for the reader. There's complete arc denials starting in book 1 with Mo Bei and Chi Cheng who get a single sentence to sum up their demise. Can only imagine it gets worse from there.

>>21316602
The chapter where Moiraine calls Perrin a handsome young man while only wearing a bathrobe and Perrin getting all flustered was funny, Literally the only thing i remember of that book, and rand going full Kingdom Hearts/Final Fantasy in the final fight sequence.

>>21319046
giwtwm

Enjoying a book/epub called Windwalker I randomly picked up from some 4chan thread but I don't remember where/when, this was ages ago.
It's really pulpshit but I like it idgaf if you judge me
Didn't think I would like anything by a female author but it just flows well

>>21319111
I read those a bit over a year ago.
I think, when someone here recommended Elaine Cunningham in response to someone's post about DnD books.

in which 14-year girl births a penis

>>21319225
Is the whole series this good? I have picked up this one without looking at the others. I do this a lot, I like stories where I don't know all the context.

Im 70% in Mother of Learning ARC 3 and pretty comfy pretty good, i really liked the family talk and i hope they show him talking with fortov, also Zorian and Zach have really good energy together

>>21319231
There is nothing like that on the Wikipedia page

>>21319273
Read the book then and see for yourself.

>>21319237
Not fresh in my mind, though I liked the Drow one's more than the others

>>21319111
Elaine Cunningham writes great pulp and is one of the best Forgotten Realms writers
>>21319231
Picked up

>>21319299
I just read the wiki page I know everything that happens in it. You lying on the internet when there are actual sources won’t change anything

>>21319348
why is this board so full of noreads

>>21319372
Because they're mostly teenagers who LARP as intellectuals. Reading takes too much time away from social media and posing on /lit/.

>>21316602
Rand's objections make sense. He grew up being told about how awful the Dragon Reborn is, how horrible men who can channel are, and now he's told he's going to be the guy who ends the world and brings untold suffering to everybody.

There's no excuse for Perrin's obstinance though. He finds himself wielding a tiny fraction of the responsibility that Rand has, largely due to his own efforts rather than inescapable cosmic destiny, and he digs in his heels even worse than Rand does.

>>21319372
The guy who brought up the book clearly didn’t read it

>>21316296
Timelike Infinity is the start of it all. Read all the short stories and the other novellas. Raft and Flux are really the main standalones, of them all.

>>21319016
Who cares about Mo Bei, and Chi Cheng was ok but he was just rank 2 master, irrelevant just like their entire clan.

>>21319372
I did read. The wiki page.

>>21319261
started reading this week expecting harry potter and got surprised, the D&D magic school setting is pretty cool

>>21319609
The story's pretty fine, though it reads like the project it was intended as (basically a 'test drive' for the author's setting, which for some reason he decided to make a convoluted time loop plot) and so it kinda lives or dies by the setting.

>>21319618
>random romanian guy autistically commits to create a fantasy world based on DnD
>starts writing a story in it just to give the setting a run, maybe flesh it out a bit
>The story mogs every other webnovel at the time
>Ten years pass and still only few stories reach its level of quality

Dangerously based.

>>21314179
>>21314221
>>21315733
>>21318023
Thank you, gentlemen. I have a fair number of these on my shelf already but a few I had never heard of. Specifically Passage at Arms by Glen Cook sounds like exactly what I was looking for.

>>21319665
It's important to add that MoL is comfy as fuck for experienced Fantasy reader, only now I realized what a breath of fresh air it is to have a society based on late 20 century Europe in behaviour, you have women in positions of power or as teachers, but it's all in a framework or certain social expectations from both genders.

It's like reading a classic 90s or early 2000 Fantasy book, none of that weird hyper egalitarian, unbelievable and inauthentic societies written by people who never left their house and have no idea how people act and behave.

Damn, we really didn't know how good we had it back when it released, it's a true rough diamond.

>>21311319
I just finished listening to Hail Mary Project on my audible. It was a very good performance and the novel was enjoyable. There was quite a lot of coincidence going on to move the story moving forward but overall I greatly enjoyed the main characters. Although some of the minor characters, particularly the astronauts, were a bit too much like comedy charicatures.

>>21319733
>you have women in positions of power or as teachers
>it's all in a framework or certain social expectations from both genders.
Are you trolling? Why would you want any of this garbage in fantasy novel (unless you are some liberal scum) ?

>It's like reading a classic 90s or early 2000 Fantasy book, none of that weird hyper egalitarian, unbelievable and inauthentic societies written by people who never left their house and have no idea how people act and behave.
What? Characters in mol know how to act and behave??? What nonsense, mol characters are literal memes, fake and completely unbelievable, at the very beast they act like the most superficial 21st century westerners or even americans. Literal mainstrean tv drama tier characters with zero depth.

>>21318881
Wolfefags consider their shitty book existential
fucking zoomer retards
go larp as catholic on twitter and pretend wolfes self mastubatory prose is "deep" you spastic
>>21318969
You clearly don't read any books if you think the text i posted is profound or deep in any way

>>21313205
I care

>>21319776
>Grace and Stratt never fucked
>Grace and that swedish scientist never fucked
>Grace and Rocky never fucked

Dissapointing read.

>>21319875
I definitely read more than you. Most people probably do

Shall I buy more than human or dying inside

>>21319911
>-oomerfag
It's probably one of the shitposters too, of course it doesn't read.

>>21319840
>Are you trolling? Why would you want any of this garbage in fantasy novel (unless you are some liberal scum) ?
Are you genuinely retarded? I'm talking about how MoL ISN"T a liberal modern shit. It's downright conservative in its portrayal of society and genders. Jesus, sometimes it really feels as if I was with clueless teenagers on this board

>>21319928
Whoa calm down

>>21319911
>I definitely read more than you. Most people probably do

>>21320070
Holy shit, is that a fedora photo? Nice to see another 2011+ Redditor in the thread :DDDDDDD

>>21320074
cope wolfefag
you don't read if you think wolfes prose is good. it's that simple

>>21320085
>wolfefag
dumb 2011+ newfag nigger

>>21319946
>I realized what a breath of fresh air it is to have a society based on late 20 century Europe in behaviour, you have women in positions of power or as teachers.
late 20th century was very liberal compared to previous time periods, not as liberal as current year but still very liberal. In fantasy setting there is almost no difference between 20th and 21st century, and anything that is not set in middle ages or at the very least early modern period can be considered liberal.

>>21320098
Cope
post 2016 tradcath nerds like you who flooded in when trump got elected think wolfe is "based"

>>21320120
Kek, you really are a dumbfucking retard. Get off /pol/

>>21320123
>cope
that doesn't help you any, dumb 2016+ newfag nigger

>>21320181
wolfefag mindbroken after getting blown the fuck out this hard

I Shall Seal The Heavens was all right and Menocht Loop almost got there before it turned into absolute trash, but Lord of the Mysteries is the first thing to scratch that itch Mother of Learning left behind since I read it 5 months ago

>>21319443
Bakkerfags, how do you respond?

>>21320344
Achktualli, I like dark fantasy series that have life affirming endings (ie Thomas Covenant The Unbeliever)

>>21320344
>misanthropic

>>21319111
>Didn't think I would like anything by a female author
Why are you like this

Read them

>>21319231
I started reading this last night and it's positively enchanting. Easily the best fantasy I've read all year

>>21319231
>part of the flat earth series
dangerously based

>>21320344
if you think the horrific determination of the holy war in their final march against the fanim is misanthropic, then i dunno what to tell you

pure unfiltered FUN.

If I liked Marrow and Well of Stars, will I like the great ship novellas Robert Reed has been putting out as of late?

>>21320801
I like the sequel with the milf moms

>>21320840
Have you tried actually reading to see if you would like them?

Anyone read Nevernight? An Anon recommended it to me on Omegle last night. Seems pretty good.

>>21320853
they cost money

>>21313205
Reading your midwit drivel causes me physical pain.

>>21320859
Took me less than thirty-seconds to just go on amazon and see I can read the first 12 chapters, for a book that cost give dollars. Any other excuse you want to throw in?

>>21320855
>Omegle
Who the fuck still uses that.

>>21320876
okay, thanks

>>21320859
>>21320876
>>21320885
People here really don’t bother to do the bare minimum? Jesus Christ.

>>21320881
That one anon and myself

>>21320801
reddit
pure reddit

>>21320801
I don't understand how people find edgy shit fun. I just find it annoying and contrived. It's like watching a movie set in the middle ages and the director decided to lower the contrast and put a grey filter over everything because colours weren't invented until 1956 or some shit.

>>21320599
doesn't seem very christian

>>21313467
I read the first 3 books and enjoyed them all. 2 was weird in that half of it wasn't even about the Black Company but it was surprisingly my favorite.

>>21320855
I remember seeing a video where some disgusting millennial hapa femoid was mad about it. On the other hand, it's also YA and written in the last 15 years. I'd say it looks like it could go either way but it also looks a lot like Prince of Thorns, which was shit. I'm going to guess that it's shit, but not for the reasons millennial femoids think.

There should be a rule that forbids the existence of FemMCs

>>21320408
did it take a lot of discipline not to call me an incel there?

>>21311319
Can anyone recommend some litrpg books to read?

I read the 1st book for he who fights monsters but the MC is too much of a preachy fsggot for me to continue

>>21321837
> MC is too much of a preachy fsggot for me to continue
Agreed. The MC is annoying as fuck, I've no idea why that series gets recommended so much.

This of my list of what immediately comes to mind:

Awaken Online
Defiance of the Fall
Dissonance (Unbound Series)
Dungeon Crawler Carl
Reborn: Apocalypse
The Stork Tower
Tower of Somnus

>>21321837
Double-Blind, Edge Cases, idk what else I don't read litRPGs

>>21313788
Red Rising, Eisenhorn Xenos, Ancillary Justice, Murderbot, Sun Eater, The Last Angel

>>21321837
Dungeon Crawler Carl is the best by far. Defiance of the Fall has a whinging bitch protag too.

>>21321837
I enjoyed Primal Hunter (starts good but goes to shit bc tutorial is taking forever then gets good again after tutorial ends)

System change system universe is okay

I dropped he who fights Monsters and Dungeon crawler

Gonna read azarinth healer to see If its good

>>21321968
>azarinth healer
>female lead

>>21322000
She's basically a man.

>>21311319
Robin Hobb

>>21322057
Why even write a woman mc who act almost like a man instead of just writing a man mc.

>>21322190
Because with a woman protagonist you can have hot yuri sex instead of boring straight sex.
There is a reason why straight female protagonists are incredibly rare.

Is Boy in Darkness scary, Gormenbros? I loved the first two novels but I'm a wuss when it comes to horror

>>21322235
But in Azarinth Healer she only fucks men so that invalidates your argument. Outside of /sffg/ most reads don't actually care about the MC's gender.

>mogs your favorite male MC

I exclusively read warhammer fantasy novels. No I will not 'expand my horizons' or 'try something new'.

>>21322289
better than most of this general

>>21322242
>most reads don't actually care about the MC's gender
most webnovel readers wants badass guy mcs

I won't read books with female protagonists getting fucked by men. I'm not gay.

>>21322309
> most webnovel readers wants badass guy mcs
Then explain the popularity of Azarinth Healer

>>21322289
Fav series/book? Mine is a tossup between Gotrek & Felix or Malus Darkblade.

>>21322387
It really is hard to beat Gotrek & Felix--at least the first 4 or so novels. They are perfect pulpy goodness. I would say Rise of Nagash is my favourite non-Gotrek-related series.

>>21322350
The same reason r**dit and goodreads are popular

>>21322309
>most webnovel readers wants badass guy mcs
no they want the same autistic "pragmatic sigma male" mcs they imagine themselves being

>>21321837
Way of the Shaman
Dark Herbalist
Disgardium
Perimeter Defense
Respawn
Bushido Online
Artificial Jelly

>>21322448
>sigma male
>they
welcome to /lit/, 2019+ newfag!

>>21322534
read any actual books lately?

>>21322543
On book 74 of the year. Did you misquote?

>>21322548
Any of those published under a name that wouldn't pass for a forum handle in 2007?

Books with this feel

>>21322581
Are you fishing for D*ne?

>>21322320
What about a female protagonist who fucks men?

I just realized Warhammer is cooler than Dune.

Bros tell me this gets better. I dropped it last year after a character wasn't allowed to get revenge because he'll lose his magic powers.

It unironically triggered me since I grew up indian and was bullied because of my caste.

>>21322894
Better in what way? Just because he can't personally take revenge doesn't mean others can't for him. It's not something you have to read anyway. That's unfortunate, but maybe it'll be helpful to providing greater empathy.

>>21312340
If most of the recommendation your friend gives you are shitty, then pass on this.

I can also confirm: I dropped the book at 50% because it was boring as fuck. Most of the plot is about a Moon-based author going on a book tour and complaining about missing her family and not wanting to be on Earth. This is just Mandel ranting about her desire to go back to her "normal" life now that she's a big-time writer after the success of "Station Eleven."

>>21322894
>It unironically triggered me since I grew up indian and was bullied because of my caste.
All you street shitters deserved to be bullied.

>>21322894
I dropped this too because of that. I wasn't expecting netorare in a western fantasy but there it was.

>>21322894
Do people on 17th Shard still get upset that Adolin shanked Sadeas and think it held some ulterior motive beyond a RN real nigga eliminating a known habitual sociopath from harming his father and the overall realm?

>>21322265
I adore this trilogy. It is what got me hooked on fantasy when I was in school.

>>21322919
>Adolin shanked Sadeas
lmao I loved that scene

we need more book series where someone just decides to stab the manipulative niggers

>>21322929
I'm intoxicated and very tempted to make a thread there to ask this very thing despite not having posted in years. I do agree with you.

>>21322894
Read it for Shallan.
She's the better MC anyways and she gets the most kino scenes.

>>21322894
>mad because a character displays integrity

>>21319261
I really did enjoy Mother of Learning once the first "prologue" ends and the real time loop story begins. I loved how the author plays around with different aspects of the Time Loop concept, introducing new questions and answers. One of the biggest problems with Time Loops is that a sense of danger and tension is removed, and it does NOT happen here. I really remember this big part where a new, "aspect," of the Time Loop is introduced, something the characters just didn't expect, and just makes the audience feel like the floor fell out beneath them. I really did feel the main characters sheer kind of panic and fear.

I did like the ending and felt like it did wrap everything up.

Title: Castle Town
Author: Anya Merchant
Rating: 7/10

Ooooh, this one was so comfy. The first smut book after NNN had to be special, thus the choice of a book by a female author with a spicy content...more than mere eroticism. I read my first book my Anya Merchant and I was not dissapointed. Memory whispers there was an Anon who wanted my opinion on her books, so there comes the first one. You bet there will be more.

[Plot]
Osteanus is a kingdom ruled by a Heralder King, with each part of it ruled by an Underqueen, a hereditary title of female rulers that serve both as consorts and rulers under the King, although its political situation is more complex than that. In this kingdom, Prince Makoa is a prince, adopted son of Underqueen Avina, whose own son and husband had died when she was young. So far his live was realitively stressful and without worries, but dark clouds hang over his home. Attacks by mysterious monsters and political instability due to the King's incoming demise will push the young prince into a path he never considered before...to stake his claim to the Throne. With support of his mother, comely Underqueen Anevia, her bonded Soul-Mate Petra and Ruby, his childhood friend and servant.

[Review]
I'm so happy I chose this book. I was appraised of the author before - she likes to write erotica, but the spicier one, mostly including young men and mother figures, even other mature women. There were doubts, but they vanished soon after starting the story. Castle Kingside and the author have no right to be as niche as they are, especially when compared to mainstream erotica authors like Bruce Sentar or Randi Darren. The prose and story-telling is of the same level if not more, as the author deftly weaves eroticism, plot and characters together into one of the best erotica books I've read.

Recently, I read a tip from an experienced smut writer - the spirit of it was this: 'Don't be afraid to wait with sexual elements until later, tease and please the reader from the start. That's why they're reading, that's what they want.' And this author is excellent at that. Almost every part of the book attempts to arouse, and even though there aren't that many sex scenes I'm more than satisfied. Finally an author that understands writing erotica is more than cahracters having filthy thoughts or pistoning into each other with wild abandon. From events small and large, the eroticism is built everywhere.

The story is by no means perfect, there were some scenes I simply skimmed out of lack of interest, but they were short. When you reach as much as me, you can sometimes guess the events and conclusion of scenes out of habit, so if the prose isn't masterful you can just skip. Which is not a complement to the author, but it isn't a critic either. All the important bits are here, are they were surprisingly interesting to me, aside of one part around the middle. Well, Castle Town is still a niche Erotica, but at the same time a real diamond in the mud.

>>21322929
It was a nice moment because it made it clear just how mistaken Sadeas was about what sort of story he was in.

>>21323004

>>21323004
>With support of his mother, comely Underqueen Anevia
>who can also become his consort

Bruh

>>21322948
>its integrity to let the man who ruined your life and cucked you live

In what order should I read TLotR?

>>21323068
Pretty sure, like with all of this author's works, she's not TECHNICALLY his mother, just "woman who raised him". But that's how these things always go, they'll have not-quite incest but it's basically incest.

>>21323068
Incestual motifs - sons and mothers, sisters, aunts - are this author's thing. It's well written and hot, so why would I care? I'm especially surprised how authentic the realtionships between the characters are, the more I read the more I am convinced female authors overall write better erotica, even erotica aimed at men.

>>21323090
In the order you can easily find if you use google of you actually cared.

Should I give Mieville another chance? I've tried reading the scar and the bug fucking story, I like the weird setting but after about 50 pages, still nothing happens. It looks boring.

>>21323122
>Should I give Mieville another chance?
If you want, you're the one that's going to read him

What are your go to GIWTWM books?

>>21323182
>GIWTWM
If you intend to shit out weird abbreviations you can just as well go and do the hero

>>21323182
None, because that's a foolish activity.

>>21323004
your """reviews""" are shit
fuck off

>>21323182
A bullet to the head, stupid frogposter.

>>21323327
That's not even the same poster, retarded newfag.

>>21323004
>comely
Is a possible love interest in this smut ugly? Unusual. Or did you just not know that comely means ugly?

>>21323365
>Or did you just not know that comely means ugly?
You a retard? A quick look at google shows the definition of comely as pleasant to look at; attractive

>>21323344
Same poster as who? This review sucks. Start a blog

>>21323375
The normal reviewautist, anti book discussion newfag trash. Start a tumblr where you bitch and moan about people discussing on-topic subjects on a forum meant for said subject, diva.

>>21323112
There are a million different versions of every book in the series.

>>21323380
Wow, it’s almost as if there’s an official site for that.

>>21323386
Link?

>>21323387
Called using google to find it.

>>21323372
>>21323365
Just looked it up and "homely" means ugly, not "comely". Embarrassing.

>>21323397
I'm just trying to have a conversation man. Please be nicer next time.

>>21323344
>>21323379
dont care spastic

BAKKER IS KING

>>21323418
newfag nigger

>>21323433
Truth shines

>>21312317
>The Wandering Inn
Why? It's garbage and probably >4x times bigger than the bibble by now.

>>21323565
Because it’s a bot that you should ignore already.

>>21323433
how does it feel to know his series will never be finished now?

>>21323565
>The King James Bible : 783,137 words
>The Wandering Inn: 10,730,282 words
13.8x times bigger than the bible at the moment

>>21323590
Why are web novels like this

>>21323593
>Why are web novels like this
There are no webnovels like TWI. Even the 'bigger' webnovels reach 1 milion words, maybe 1.5 at most.

>>21323593
Patreon

>>21323588
>Implying TUC wasn't a great ending point

>>21323593
TWI is on its own tier. The author legitimately write around a small book's worth of content just about every week, and some chapters are literally >50k words.

>>21323593

>>21323603
lmao
Do TWIcucks really? This is weak. Absolutely nothing compared to some Chink web novels.

>>21323637
Would probably still be better than TWI.

>>21323712
>Plus Samara was the reputed author of a billion-word novel meant for the AI readers, already purchased by an onboard publisher and released to lukewarm reviews
agreed

>>21323720
It probably wouldn't have stupid feminism and definitely be more concise so you are probably right.

>>21323004
Great cover
>Prince Makoa is a prince, adopted son of Underqueen Avina, whose own son and husband had died when she was young. So far his live was realitively stressful and without worries, but dark clouds hang over his home.
That's good there should be more mother/child duos in fantasy, Even if it's smut
>she likes to write erotica, but the spicier one, mostly including young men and mother figures, even other mature women
Picked up, this is why women sff authors are better than m*le authors.

>>21323004
>NNN
It's still November.

>Memory whispers
There's been previous mentions, like last year and 2018.

>mispellings and incorrect grammar everywhere
Do better.

I don't even see any SFF elements listed. This basically looks like historical fiction.

>>21323759
>I don't even see any SFF elements listed.This basically looks like historical fiction.

>Attacks by mysterious monsters

>>21323603
jesus titty fuckin christ

I just KNOW autism plays a part of this. Holy shit. This really is the biggest problem with webnovels and web-fiction, the writers just CAN'T FUCKING STOP. It just goes on and on.

I really think that some authors and creators need to understand that just because you can give more than 10,000 words to a part of a story or idea, that doesn't mean you should. If you can't communicate an idea or concept within a limit, either it needs to be broken up into smaller chunks, or you need to begin shaving and streamlining yourself, cutting out the fat.
I haven't read The Wandering Inn. I probably never will, definitely not ten million words of it. But I just KNOW that the pacing and speed of this webnovel will never approach that of the actual, physical printed books on this chart.
Cause I mean HOLY SHIT no sane publisher would print ten million words of just books, have some fucking mercy for the trees.
This shit is like the Mauler dude from youtube. LONGER and BIGGER doesn't mean better.

Do people not fucking understand what the point of a Haiku is? It's about restricting yourself to three lines, seventeen syllables, and communicating mood, message and theme. Three lines. Seventeen syllables.

>>21323752
>Picked up, this is why women sff authors are better than m*le authors.
It's funny how beaten into submission male authors are, anything even resembling non-consent or problematic relationship is being shuned among harem readers, authors are basically terrified of not being creepy. Meanwhile female writers write the most batshit insane toxic relationships full of rape or sexual assault (not to count slavery), yet they treat it almost as a slice of lfie.


>>21323759
>I don't even see any SFF elements listed. This basically looks like historical fiction.
Blind?
>Attacks by mysterious monsters
>bonded Soul-Mate Petra


>Do better.
ESL here, Word told me of only 3-4 mistakes. Other than that I'm unable to say what did I do wrong.

>>21323786
>Other than that I'm unable to say what did I do wrong
Your inability to ignore a shitposter who didn't read your post.

>>21323501
spastic

>>21323603
How big is LotM?

>>21323778
I'd say it's autism if the story wasn't so focused on people and emotions. The author is almost anti-STEM in his thought process, basic numbers or details escape his notice. It's just an obsession of a person who rarely leaves home. IIRC Wildbow (Worm's author) is the same.

I don't think you understand how TWI is structured. At some point chapters have become longer because more was crammed into them, since Volume 5 each chapter is like a very small book with its own small fragment of the story, complete in its content. Also, the point of the author writing a webnovel is that he doesn't want to be constrained by normal publishing. He literally just writes what he likes. It's not bigger and longer on purpose, it's just the refined way of this person's approach to writing. Judging it by printed book format is silly.

Another thing about cuting 'fat' is that readers don't want to read it. Yet people want to read it here. So either it's not bad to have fat...or there isn't any fat. I'm not saying that TWI hasn't got issues with pacing, because it has, but it's funny how people keep having some insane ideas about what the story is without even reading it.

If you want a relatively self-contained TWI chapter, read this Interlude:
https://wanderinginn.com/2021/01/24/interlude-the-revenant-and-the-naga/

A short, 20k words long chapter. Short for TWI, that is. An average is 30k words long.

By the way, gunny thing about publishing, you don't need to be officialy published these days. TWI is selling a shitload of ebooks and audiobooks.
What if Amazon makes a thing where every ebook in their shop can be printed? Then everyone would be able to have a physical edition of whatever they want. Publishing industry may very well crash overnight.

>>21323843
>How big is LotM?
2 mln 700k.

>>21321837
Bushido online
Wraiths haunt
Vigil Bound
Unbound
Outcast in another world
The Stitched Worlds
Hellscape (a stand alone novel)

All pretty good litrpgs imo.

>>21323860
A lot of words just to say its shit, anon. Next time be concise.

>>21323860
Huh, I never thought of it this way. If every chapter is pretty much a complete story, then it's not that bad.

>>21323870
He likes wandering shit, obviously he will have a wordy review that basically says nothing, like the book he enjoys.

>>21323004
Castle town is alright, but imo Domestic Decay is still probably her best series. Feels like the writing took a step backwards with castle town. It felt like despite starting as a more slice of life, then they were trying really to fast forward the plot all at once. Still fun though, need to read book two soon.

New side story tomorrow bros

>>21323870
>>21323878
I always laugh on how hard he tries to shill the series and barely gets any replies. Same shit with the chink shit that Samefags hard to make it appear popular.

>>21323870
spastic

>>21323860
Assuming it's more of a collection of short stories makes some degree of sense, but is still enormously autistic beyond human comprehension to write ~400 short stories in the same setting/timeline. It's understandable if it was a collection of authors, or maybe fanfic writers, but one guy is more than a little nuts.
The closest thing I can think of is Tolkein's absolute obsession, but that was about the entire history of a planet, or at least several thousand years of.

At least I can see the appeal now, the dude's basically a genre.

>>21323004
Ayy I'm the anon who recommended Anya Merchant novels to you, coomer anon. Glad you gave them a go. If you're looking for more plot heavy books with some sex thrown in I'd recommend the Shadow Rogue series by Mike Truk or any of his series really.

>>21323890
Looking forward to it. Hopefully the translation is quick. I've no interest in MTL.

>>21323884
Domestic Decay is erotica capeshit. For me it's Sin and Soil.

>>21323778
>But I just KNOW that the pacing and speed of this webnovel will never approach that of the actual,
The pacing is indeed god awful, I stopped around 4 to 5 million words and not even a full year had passed by in the series I believe, it was bizarre given the amount of shit that happens in that time frame.

>>21323873
It's bullshit, TWI is a slice of life, and some chapters can be self contained, but it still has a larger than life story and you need to read the main story plus all the bazillions of side stories to understand what going on.

>>21323943
Thanks for the recommendation, I enjoyed it! I've had Shadow Rogue on my to-read for a while, but there's, like, few dozen erotica books for me to read. I believe I'll be more or less done with the entire self-pub erotica halfway through 2023 at my current pace. There will be obviously new books being published, but I don't think new big players are comming into the genre anytime soon. Would enjoy some serious harem books though, desu

>>21323860
>his
Isn't pirateaba a girl? What is with the dumb feminism that makes no sense then?

>>21324003
>Isn't pirateaba a girl
Nobody but you keep saying this. Don’t you ever get tired of repeating this lie?

>>21324017
What? It's a question dude, I heard she was a girl.

>>21324017
I think he always brings it up whenever twi is mentioned, don't know why he just doesn't ignore it at this point. I hate twi too, but I don't spend hours of my life trying to repeat a lie.

>>21313959
Fuck yeah. Great book!

>>21314008
>>21324026
Huh, I asked because tags seemed funny but now I guess I'll read it.

>>21318769
>explain
>"IT'S SHIT BECAUSE... IT'S SHIT!
>ok but explain
>"IT'S NOT LITERARY BECAUSE IT'S SHIT"
Profound. I now hate wolfe.

>>21323786
>Meanwhile female writers write the most batshit insane toxic relationships full of rape or sexual assault (not to count slavery), yet they treat it almost as a slice of lfie.
This, i've read Arrow's Fall by Mercedes Lackey a few weeks ago and the female protag gets gangraped by huge muscular mercenaries for days until they rescue her, the whole chapter came from the left field, no build up or anything. At the end of the book she marries her simp friend.

>>21324125
>At the end of the book she marries her simp friend
Yeah you can tell a woman wrote this

>>21324184
Forgot to mention that she has a Magic horse companion and she can feel every time it's mating with mares because she has a mental/emotional connection with her horse. It's mostly played for laughs but it was still kind of weird every time one of those scenes came up

>>21324244
>Forgot to mention that she has a Magic horse companion and she can feel every time it's mating with mares because she has a mental/emotional connection with her horse. It's mostly played for laughs but it was still kind of weird every time one of those scenes came up
I remember when I was around 14 years old and read the first trilogy, was suprised how much sexual content was in it, but then I read everything I could put my hands on. I particularly recall reading the scene where the girl is fucked by the guy she went onto a mission with, right after that I opened google and checked the author. Imagine hoow mad I was upon realization the woman that wrote it wasn't attractive.
'Why do unattractive people have the gall to write about sex!?' was my reaction. Of course I knew it would be rude to say it out loud, but I was still upset.

Looking back, it's a classic woman book, all the way through, from raunchy content to poor and trotured simps hurt by women. Hilarious.
By the way, the horse thing is a big giveaway of Mercedes Lackey being a horse girl. You just know it.

>>21324092
>This book had been sitting on my shelf for months, along with other highly-praised works I've been looking forward to, but I bade my time, waiting for the mood to strike. Few live up to their reputation, but most at least deliver part of the promise.
>I would expect any author mentioned in the same breath as Peake to have an original and vibrant style, but I found Wolfe's writing to be simple without being elegant. His language and structure serves its purpose, only occasionally rising above mere utilitarianism, and then he rushes to florid flourishes that fall flat as often as they succeed. Sometimes, it is downright dull. The prose of the second book is stronger than the first, but its plot and characters are more linear and predictable.
>I appreciated his 'created language' more than most fantasy authors, but I didn't find it particularly mysterious or difficult, because all of his words are based on recognizable Germanic or Romantic roots. Then again, after three years of writing stories about Roman whores in Latin, I had little problem with 'meretriculous'. Even those words I wasn't familiar with seemed clear by their use.
>The terms are scattered throughout the book, but rarely contribute to a more pervasive linguistic style, as might be seen in The Worm Ouroboros, The Lord of the Rings, Gormenghast, or The King of Elfland's Daughter. Wolfe's terms pepper otherwise and unremarkable modern style, which hardly helps to throw us into a strange world.
>Overall, I found nothing unique in Wolfe. Perhaps it's because I've read quite a bit of odd fantasy; if all I read was mainstream stuff, then I'd surely find Wolfe unpredictable, since he is a step above them. But compared to Leiber, Howard, Dunsany, Eddison, Kipling, Haggard, Peake, Mieville, or Moorcock, Wolfe is nothing special.
>Perhaps I just got my hopes up too high. I imagined something that might evoke Peake or Leiber (at his best), perhaps with a complexity and depth gesturing toward Milton or Ariosto. I could hardly imagine a better book than that, but even a book half that good would be a delight--or a book that was nothing like that, but was unpredictable and seductive in some other way.
>Ikept waiting for something to happen, but it never really did. It all plods along without much rise or fall, just the constant moving action to make us think something interesting is happening. I did find some promise, some moments that I would have loved to see the author explore, particularly those odd moments where Silver Age Sci Fi crept in, but each time he touched upon these, he would return immediately to the smallness of his plot and his annoying prick of a narrator. I never found the book to be difficult or complex, merely tiring. the unusual parts were evasive and vague, and the dull parts constant and repetitive.

>>21324285
>incapable of expressing any of your own thoughts or opinions
pitiable pseud.

>>21324285
JG Keely's argument really is irrefutable.

>>21324295
kelly is king

>>21324268
Horse girl and dog/wolf girl fantasy books are based

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>>21324576

Good lord, why do new threads always have such terrible start. Is talking about books really that hard to do?

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>>21324645
Are you gonna keep deleting the thread and ur post here just so u can recreate and repeat the same bullshit when u realize people will post baker/read X book again?

faggot, not the first time u do this

I think OP is deleting the thread until it doesn't start with bad posts.

>>21324728
ofc he is, this week he did this 5x with the same thread and same picture until he realized retards wouldnt stop

baby boomers all of you

>>21324728
Don’t blame him, new thread is already dogshit and you have to be be blind to not see it.

>>21324789
lmao
Fuck off OP

>>21324645
This thread has a terrible end as well. And the middle's not so great either.

>>21324645
>>21324789
>>21324809
>Is talking about books really that hard to do?
Why does /sffg/ have trouble reading and posting about books?

>>21324824
Because the vast majority of posters don’t read, they read summaries, which is why they can only go skin deep into books. And most posters would rather shitpost than have discussions about books. Which is why people using /sffg/ as a place for discussion are retards.

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>>21324840
Forgot to mention, its also why you often see one sentence replies and have idiots drive away anons reviewing books.

>>21324824
Because people get shitty with you when you post something about a book. People get discouraged when they get a dump taken on them for posting about a book that one guy doesn't like.

>>21324868
>Because people get shitty with you when you post something about a book

If people starting discussing books boomers will have a meltie aboutt thread speed, if people rec books, boomers will say its AD / Shill despite the books rec being 10+ years old

This is the worst general, dont mind anyone here, just post and leave after u done. Let them have a meltie that will last for 8 hours, u will come back and someone will still crying about spamming and shilling.

>>21324579
>>21324717
>>21324862

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