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>>21280333
We have hours for the old thread why make a new one this early?

>>21280344
Report the thread

>>21280341
>woman
>warrior
>weapon
>god
People read this crap?

Given how early this thread was made and this is likely a troll thread, nothing will be discuss.

>“I have used lifespan Gu, I have lived much longer than you can imagine. I used to wish for a long life before, but now, I am tired of this thought. Life has become increasingly boring. Sometimes, the final destination of the journey is not important, the important thing is the process of the journey and how you feel during the journey.”
>Frost Tide tribe’s leader involuntarily opened his eyes wide at these words, it was hard for him to understand Fang Yuan’s way of life: “You are saying the position of saintess is not important, the important thing is helping Xie Han Mo in this competition?”
>“Correct, but there is still more. You talked of the dark side of politics and promised to gift me mermaid beauties, both have no importance to me. Let me put it this way so you might understand a little, I have lived long enough that I am already sick of wearing a mask to live. Death is not scary to me at all. Right now, I only want to live using my truest emotions and feelings, I will achieve my goals in my own way. Only by living like this can I feel the excitement of life and the desire towards living!”
>Frost Tide tribe’s leader was dumbstruck and stupefied, he finally understood as he shouted: “So that’s it, you are a lunatic! You have said so much but they are nothing more than saying you have lived long enough and don’t want to live anymore! So be it you were a Gu Immortal, but you, a mere rank three Gu Master, want to live life your own way? You are dreaming!”
>Fang Yuan smiled: “You think becoming a Gu Immortal can allow people to live according to their will? Live without wearing a mask? A place with people has society and conflict. Survival and living are two different things. The way you want to live does not have to depend on your strength and cultivation level, but your own heart.”
>After a brief pause, Fang Yuan continued: “Actually, low strength is also quite interesting. When you live without a mask, low strength will allow you to face more difficulties and challenges of reality; surpass these difficulties, face these challenges, and life becomes much more wonderful.”

>>21280353
Yeah, don't know why the fag made an early thread. Old thread still has hours of life left. But I supposed OP's need to shitpost. Which is a shame.

>>21280352
>man
>warrior
>weapon
>god
Better?

>>21280366
No.

Since /sffg/ is objectively going to be shittier now because of this, what website is good for discussion genre books?

>>21280371
You can try Reddit, fan websites of book series. Try reading with books with family and friends. You can also join book clubs. But yeah, shame about /sffg/ now.

>>21280383
Never really tried reddit before, but I’m willing to give it a chance, must be better here. And the only fan website I ever join is a game of thrones ones. Fuck it. I’ll do what you say.

>>21280398
>Never really tried reddit before,
Just find a subreddit that reads, and you'll be golden.

>>21280350
No point, the retarded OP will just make a new one if it’s deleted.

>>21280369
>child
>bard
>shield
>satan

What a horrendous start to this thread.

>>21280424
You better get used to if the OP of this thread is going to keep doing it.

>>21280416
No

>>21280398
Problem is Reddit's r/fantasy is too big to have meaningful discussions about anything. It turned into an echo chamber where disagreement gets downvoted.

>>21280463
Yeah, I don’t care. It’ll be better than /sffg/ now.

>>21280463
>Problem is Reddit's r/fantasy is too big to have meaningful discussions about anything.
sounds like /sffg/.

>>21280468
Give it a try. I think you'll be back soon enough.

>>21280473
Really doubt I’ll be back give the state of this thread.

>>21280358
Based. Unfortunately western reader is too low T and brainwashed to understand and appreciate FY philosophy. Most are are filtered.

Is Tolkien the Marvel of /lit/?

>>21280602
are you new? No, Sanderson is the marvel of lit, Tolkien is based.

Anybody actually made it the whole way through The Faerie Queene?

RIP Greg Bear
Press F in chat.
Of course mods didn't pin anything

>>21280811
Fuck. He was one of my first steps into SF, and especially hard SF.
F

>>21280811
F

>>21280811
I read his Gaylo hard sci-fi trilogy and that has been my only experience with the man.

>>21280811
f

Should I read book of the new son

>>21281279
It's a long and perilous journey and I won't blame if you decide not to take it.

>>21281279
book of the wife's son

>Elhokar gets killed like a bitch by that cuck Moash while Kaladin sobs like a little girl just because he saw that fucking Parshmen couple

I'm so fucking mad it's unreal. Is there a single reason why I shouldn't drop this book right now and pick up new series? I already feel like this one overstayed it's welcome and I can't handle more pages of Kaladin whining about how he fucked up, swearing to never do it again just so it could happen again

is the wheel of time actually good or am I being gaslit? Seems like anime marvel garbage

>>21281443
With an attitude like that it can't possibly be good for you.

>>21281411
Nope. Drop it. The series only gets worse from there. And yes, Kaladin continues to mope nonstop.

Klein my beloved, part 2 is coming soon.

I'm looking into getting started with sword & sorcery stuff so I got some Fritz Leiber, Robert E. Howard and Clark Ashton Smith. Who do you recommend to start with? Including any other authors.

>>21280358
Imagine Fang Yuan without the edgyness

I keep picking up brando sando and then setting him down. His prose is absolutely intolerable.

>>21281674
Start with whoever you want, you got the their books, just pick the ones that you like.

You ruined this thread by starting it early.

>>21280333
The Sword of the Lictor, The Book of the New Sun #3 - Gene Wolfe (1982)

The most troublesome part of writing about these individually is that so much changes in each book that it may invalidate what I've written previously. This also presents a difficulty in remaining relatively spoiler-free. I could write about the five book omnibus as a single work, which is the edition I'm reading, but I don't have any interest in doing so.

This one starts off having skipped some time, traveling, and events, but as Severian often explains, he doesn't want to write about everything. An element of the narrative that's becoming more and more noticeable is that Wolfe didn't write this to have a singular Chehkov's gun, but rather an entire armory replete with them. Every story element seems to have its place and and they all neatly fit together. Seemingly everything pays off in some way. Life isn't like that at all, but it does make for a satisfying story. That makes it a matter of when rather than if previous information will become meaningful and relevant. There's a considerable number of explicitly stated reveals this time, which may be appreciated by readers.

Severian continues to meander toward his ever new destinations, but he's a changed man now, both literally and figuratively. I still wouldn't call it so much character growth as a superimposition, but that's a matter of semantics, like the Ship of Theseus. I like this more competent, confident, introspective, perceptive, and philosophical Severian. No longer is he utterly baffled by the events around him. He's now able to see the connections between disparate actions, even retrospectively, and detail his thought process and provide conclusions. He has his own goals now.

In many ways though Severian is still the same guy he's been from when he departed from Nessus, as only months have passed after all. One moment he's confessing his devotion to a woman, then the next he's having sex with some woman he just met. I don't see anything wrong with casual sex in of itself, but I don't think he's had sex with a single woman where there isn't a power imbalance greatly in his favor. In one case a married woman is infodumping on Severian and then he tells her that's a nice story, but it's time for sex. It's not quite the sexposition from the Game of Thrones TV series though. Severian notes about the one whom he professes devotion that, "the kind and even noble Severian who existed only in [her] mind". He even says that everything he says matters and nothing she says does. Then he considers "forcing himself on her", but decides that would be a bad move.

I considered rating this lower due to some of the middle part and the inclusion of an extended situation that I tend to dislike. Fortunately that situation resolved itself in a way that gave me a jolt that maybe I shouldn't have liked, but I did. The scenes near the end were also especially nice, so the ratings remains the same.

Rating: 4/5

When will this faggot release an audiobook?
It's been fucking years since his book was published.

>>21281740
You missed the fact the the whole party in Aceis castle is a sex party. It's not just Severian charming Circassia. That's what everyone is there for - casual sex (similar to the Autarch's gardens). Also Circassia initiated by stroking his boner first).

>>21281820
>When will this faggot release an audiobook?
Are you afraid of reading in a literature website

>>21281825
He doesn't charm her at all. She realizes who he is right away and tries to seduce him so that she has a slightly better chance of not being executed by him. It works.

>>21281841
That's what I mean, but from your post it seemed like you thought otherwise.

Which is almost the same thing with what happens with Jolenta on the boat.

>>21281849
It's what happens with basically every woman.

>>21281853
Definitely not every woman.

>>21281868
I'll be writing some stuff relevant to that after I've read all of this series.

>>21281868
Check Mark Aramini on YT before you do, he talks a bit about this as well.

>>21281890
Was meant for
>>21281883

>>21281890
I'd prefer not to consult external sources, especially opinions of others like that, until after I've formed and stated my own. First myself, then the inclusion of others, like with Alzabo. Is it wrong of me to initially privilege my thoughts above others? Maybe, but I'll be doing so anyway.

Given how early this thread was made and this is likely a troll thread, nothing will be discuss.

>>21281906
Alzabo Soup are total retards. Don't waste your time with their drivel. After finishing Urth check Rereading Wolfe Podcast, those guys are way better (and Marc Aramini).

It's OK to have your own opinion, write it after finishing the book, but before posting check other opinions first. Otherwise you are most likely going to look like an idiot and other people are going to arguing with you, which you can definitely save yourself.

>>21281922
I didn't mean with Alzabo Soup, I meant that as in how taking in the opinions influences a person like how memories do.

I have no problem with looking like an idiot and I'm not trying to save myself from arguments. This should be evident from our conversation right now.

I don't really have any interest in literary scholarship. If I did I would've considered an English degree. I have decidedly negative opinion of most literary academic studies.

>>21281943
>I don't really have any interest in literary scholarship. If I did I would've considered an English degree. I have decidedly negative opinion of most literary academic studies.
I was like you before going to Uni, there I found that Literature (at least in East Yuropooria) is way more legit than shit like Linguistics and even Economics (which I later did).

>>21281674
This is /lit/ how dare you ask for recommendations. Read every book every written and never talk to anyone about it like a real shut in loser like the people that make comments like this

>>21281922
Will confirm this Anon. Last year I did a read-along of BOTNS as my second read-through just a few months after I finished BOTNS the first time. At the end of each book, the group had Alzabo Soup on for about 2 hours talking about the books, and it's a lot of definitive nonsense. Re-Reading Wolfe is done by two literature professors in their 50's and, I believe, and they're happy to spend a lot of time speculating and theorizing but they definitively state they are doing that, whereas Alzabo Soup prop themselves up as "definitive voices" on the book and assert their speculations as cold hard fact about the series and the author.

>>21282091
You can say you’re talking about Media Death Cult

Any good books with a mc like Klein (gentleman, polite, cunning and ruthless, gives no shit to sex)?

>>21282199
How about you read every book ever and then you tell us

Jfl at Practical Guide to Evil being picked up by Webtoon. The chapters are being segmented into two to three parts that need tokens to unlock. Its like $400+ to get the whole thing now.

The lost metal is such a step up from rhythm of war
Sanderson growing more powerful

>>21282248
Is it really that good

What are some good /sffg/ novels with an ensemble cast? Don't mention ASOIAF or The Accursed Kings.

>>21282288

>>21280811
It's a fucking crime that I heard about this man's death incidently on a starwars board somewhere. His early stuff was great. Blood Music, Eon, Forge of God books especially were dear to me in the 90s. RIP Greg Bear. You were more than some fuckin Halo books.

>>21282288
Hyperion.

>>21282091
Alzabo Soup are terrible.

In the ending of Shadow podcast they outright say they don't give a fuck what Wolfe wanted to say, interviews he has done etc.
What was very frustrating listening to their podcasts was they would often go on 40+ minutes rants about the dumbest takes imaginable, then when they would come across a piece of info that disproved them, they would say "Hey, if this thing doesn't agree with our take, there you go" then completely ignore it and continue to talk 40+ minutes about their bogus take when they have the chance.

Multiple times they have the dumbest takes that are absolutely indisputably proved wrong by the text.

Not only that but the takes they give oftentimes make BotNS into a worse book, which is the thing I don;t get. You have several possible theories. Why go both with the one that is less supported by the text, but also the one that dumbs down the book itself, when you have a better alternative on both counts?

Those guys are absolute clowns.

Rereading Wolfe aren't professors I think, they are long time fans (since at least the 90s). I think you are mistaking them with the Gene Wolfe Literary Podcast, they discuss Wolfe but aren't on BotNS yet.

>>21281740
What a shit "review", if you can even call it that.

>>21281674
Start with Conan.

>>21282278
Yeah, I really really liked it
Maybe it just happened to be what I was in the mood for
Stuff always happening, it's snappy, got action, got weirdness, actual fun jokes

Some flaws I've recognized in his other books:
fucking off to drawn out and uninteresting PoV's to build suspense (lazy!)
characters repeating the same arcs

Nothing in this book dragged on, all the PoV's served some (interesting) purpose. Sanderson figured out how to make them short, rather than long and boring when away from the action.
The main character didn't repeat his arc of being mopey, it made a point of him having overcome that,. Expected Kaladin 2.0, but got pleasantly surprised. It even felt earned.
Other characters got their own arcs, one of may have felt a bit forced, some were more organic. But at least they made sense.

I'm also happy about the book respecting my memory and not being too repetitive, like re-explaining the magic system, etc. There was brief summation of the plot and past characters as they came up in the book, nothing too stiff
Well.. It's being VERY clear about what's going on in the terms of the relevant superpowers and how they are being used, it's not like anyone could get confused (Wax needs a metal anchor to Push off, I get it..)
I just expected to be put through alomancy powers 101, glad that I got to skip magic school

>>21282447
None of the other sequels really had to reteach you why would this one?

>>21282455
It was just something I dreaded, my memory of what was going on was getting pretty hazy
there's like 6 years since the last book. Excepted the book to accommodate that (and suffer for it).

But it was all good.

>>21282512
Still surprised there was such a gap considering how much Sanderson puts out.

>>21280811
I picked up Blood Music about a month ago. Never read anything from him, but I guess I should get around to that soon.

I'm desperate for some scifi that doesn't have a leftist framework underpinning everything. TBotNS is of course amazing, but it's quite long and I've read it a few times already.

Any recs, lads? Is there any decent, genuinely reactionary scifi being published?

>>21282586
where you get that sponge bob avatar the last airbender naruto mashup from?

Any new litrpgs recently? where is the chart guy?

>>21282640

>>21282631
Doesn't have a specific name, but if you search for 'spongebob original character do not steal' or something along those lines it'll show up.

>>21282648
thanks

I'm 25% through Lord Foul's Bane and not enjoying it. The first couple chapters were interesting describing Covenant's leprosy. Once he's in the fantasy world it's nothing but the most boring fantasy cliches. I don't mean swordfights with orcs, I mean constant expository babble about ancient prophecies. ("Is that... an ordinary gold wedding ring on your finger?! You must be the ancient lord returned, just as the prophecy foretold!")There is a lot of magic but it is wasted on mundane activities like fixing broken pottery and healing bruises. There has been no action at all. Donaldson's only attempt at an action scene so far was making Covenant walk down a staircase. Yes, not chased by goblins or escaping a burning building, just slowly walking down some stairs.

So far I'm not seeing why this is so highly regarded. Unless one of you says it gets a lot better soon I'm dropping it.

>>21282648
Perfect, if anyone recommend me anything on this list I'll know ahead of time that I can disregard their opinions.

There is a supernatural war going on which has long come to a standstill
Our random protagonists are people with small ambitions and no understanding of this supernatural conflict but in the course of their activities motivated by greed, desperation, desire for knowledge they stumble onto something which causes both sides of the war to suddenly take notice
The protagonists are inadvertently drawn into the war and the war suddenly becomes active again
Is there any fantasy books like this? I feel like there should be but I'm not sure if there is
>t. had a dream about it 3 hours ago

As disappointed as I am with Sanderson and the entire Cosmere project, I ended up downloading Lost Metal just in honor of the time I invested reading the other books when I was younger and how much I liked them. Hope it is worth.

>>21282669
>So far I'm not seeing why this is so highly regarded.
Because there's a rape scene, which made some people who review the book seethe and retards here thought it made the book a 5/5.

>>21282674
>I ended up downloading Lost Metal just in honor of the time I invested reading the other books
Yes, that's called the Sunken Cost Fallacy.

>>21282669
>that cover
how shameless can you be?

>>21282677
I see, just like we're supposed to ironically enjoy unreadable trash like Gor and Nightland. Thanks.

>>21282669
I'd recommend you stick it out until the actual quest starts, which is through chapter 8. If you still don't like it then it's probably not for you.

If you're looking for tons of action this is not the book for you. There's not a lot of it.

read it

>>21282678
Eh, I am reading books of far more quality at the same time. On the least it won't mean losing too much time reading crap, as it was in the past.

>>21282295
>Book 10 has 144 POVs and that's not even the majority of the series cast.
Dude asked for an ensamble not an entire army.

>>21282586
>I'm desperate for some scifi that doesn't have a leftist framework underpinning everything.
Jack Vance

>>21282444
Trips of truth. It's not exactly sword and sorcery but Princess of Mars is close enough IMO to be fun adjacent reading too.

>>21281740
For me, the fight between Dorcas and Severian in Nessus was the highest point of the first four novels. Nothing else felt so emotionally charged and painful to read. We also have multiple boss fights including the fight with BBEG of the series!
>>21281853
Oh, it sure happened again in Book of the Short Sun.

>>21282367
>podcasts should be people repeating things from wikis exactly so I don’t have to look them up myself
You’re a complete moron

>>21282946
That's something I never said nor implied.

They are just dumb people with dumb takes that dumb down the book and make it lesser than what it actually is.

Rereading Wolfe guys are great and they also do a lot of speculation, it's just way more interesting and nuanced than the Alzabo clowns'.

>>21280358
>In his past life, Fang Yuan lived for about five hundred years, and became a rank six Gu Immortal, one step away from rank seven. When he later refined the Spring Autumn Cicada, he was attacked by the righteous path and consequently self-detonated.

>Every time he thought about Blood Sea Ancestor, Proud Bone Demon Lord, Spectral Soul Demon Venerable, all of them were amazing characters, Fang Yuan could not help but be impressed.

>"As a man living in present age, I should be like this, unrestrained by the mortal realm, doing things without worry, killing whoever I dislike. When my heart is evil, I slaughter all beings, and when I am virtuous, I bless the world. The world moves according to my emotions, I dominate everything, any enemy who resists me are trampled underfoot. Oh, this is a true freedom, a cheerful and carefree life!"

>>21282975
Your autism is triggered by people having a conversation. You literally even say that they say they’re just talking and to come to your own conclusions. You’re a genuine idiot and people like you make talking about podcasts in mixed company a nightmare. Not that you’d know what talking to other humans is like

>>21282984
He's too based for this mortal world.

>>21280366
It's a little bit better, yes.

>>21282988
It's their attitude that is dumb. They have insane theories that rant endlessly about, and when they come across a piece of info in the book that disproves that, they just ignore it.

They have no actual intention of gaining a bigger understanding of the book. They just want to propagate their midwit bullshit.

>>21283019
Honestly sounds like you’re just too autistic to listen to a podcast that isn’t already exactly what you think

>>21283019
I love people that so badly think they should be the ones on a podcast yet will never ever make one. Even funnier when it’s the lowest effort medium ever and you still will never do it so you just cry that other people do

>>21283026
I've listened to their entire BotNS podcast.

>>21283049
There's no need for me to make a podcast, there are already two very good Gene Wolfe podcasts out there:
ReReading Wolfe
Gene Wolfe Literary Podcast

And Marc Aramani has many excellent write ups regarding Wolfe + two books out.

Wolfe scholarship is doing great. It's just the Alzabo Soup guys that are complete retards.

>>21282670
That's a shame since there is actually some decent books in that list. It's a new genre and while most of the early authors were trash that isn't always true now.

>>21283084
It's just a shitty chart because it's literally just a random grab-bag. They're just things that vaguely fit the category (barely, I'm not sure Paranoid Mage really fits at all), and the quality is a fucking crapshoot. Also random erotica stuff that's mostly not great just kinda thrown in because why not.

>>21282648
>Isekai
Garbage. It wouldn't surprise me if there are harems and an incel MC in more than one of these titles too.

>>21283258
The only ones with harems have the MC actually fuck them.

>>21283136
I agree about all your points but my point still stands. Some of them are genuinely good and well written.

Since /sffg/ is objectively going to be shittier now because of this, what website is good for discussion genre books?

>>21283317
Oh sure. I've only read some of the ones on that list myself (MoL is PROBABLY still the best of the ones I've read, admittedly), but some of the ones I've read aren't that good. Some are fine for what they are, Paladin of the Sword is just straightforward power fantasy harem stuff and it's fine for that, though it makes the protagonist weirdly more like a plot device than a character so it's not even really going for the self-insert dela.

We rode on the winds of the rising storm
We ran to the sound of thunder
We danced among the lightning bolts
And tore the world asunder

>>21283350
Futari wa mada
Tomodachi da ne

If I want a book with good prose and a truly stunning, sinister world, who would you recommend?
The album cover here is interesting, for example. >>21281674

See also pic.

>>21280811
F will have to check out more of his stuff.

>>21281279
I would give it a shot anon. It’s tough for a lot of folks, myself included, at first but well worth it.

Is Ring world good?

>>21281674
Like the other anon said, I’d start with Conan. Del Rey has the best versions of his stories if you want physical.
>>21282866
>boss fights
Those fights were probably what made this one my favorite. There was a great literary quality to them that made them so exciting.
>>21281740
My personal favorite of the series. I think it was the part where he reveals who the Conciliator was to Little Severian that I truly fell in love with it.
>>21283502
Book of the New Sun, best sff prose I’ve read outside of maybe Tolkien.

>>21283628
It's alright. It brings up some interesting ideas, does what it set put to do, then ends in a reasonably satisfactory manner.

>>21283326
Mol is garbage, not sure why its being rated so high.

>>21283861
MoL is good and comfy

Thoughts on the seafort saga?

>>21283260
and that makes it better how?

>>21282669
>The first couple chapters were interesting describing Covenant's leprosy. Once he's in the fantasy world it's nothing but the most boring fantasy cliches. I don't mean swordfights with orcs, I mean constant expository babble about ancient prophecies. ("Is that... an ordinary gold wedding ring on your finger?! You must be the ancient lord returned, just as the prophecy foretold!")
This is 100% my experience, I dropped it at that exact point.

>>21280811
His Forerunner Trilogy books are surprisingly good for video game tie-in novels. I've got copies of Eon and Darwin's Radio lying around that I picked up at a thrift store. Guess I found my next reads.

Did Severian rape the little boy

>>21280811
>RIP Greg Bear
It's funny I couldn't immediately remember anything he wrote, but taking a look at it was there anything he didn't get award nominations for? It's Hugo, Locus and Nebula everywhere that wasn't some for-hire job like Halo or Star Trek.

>>21283632
>Book of the New Sun, best sff prose I’ve read outside of maybe Tolkien.
midwit retard

>>21280333
cringe OP picture
>>21280341
>female author, strong female main character
I'll pass
>>21280353
Nothing never is.
>>21280358
That's a lot of text I did not read.
>>21280371
Just read books. None are read here.
>>21280383
Reddit is worse than not reading books.
>>21280424
And you contributed to it.
>>21280811
rip
>>21281187
>>21281192
no one will ever read those books
>>21281279
yes
>>21281740
didnt read or care, I read the book and it was ok
>>21281820
literally who
>>21281922
this is a good post
>>21282367
based
>>21282444
this is a good post
>>21282648
what you considered committing a sudoku
>>21282704
no
>>21282984
what even is this?
>>21283502
R Scott Bakker, The Darkness That Comes Before
>>21284374
BotNS prose is an attempt to describe normal things everybody knows in a way that makes things seem weird but if you pay close attention you'll realize its just Wolfe being as subversive as he can be.

What's a good fantasy to read if I also like women with big tits?

>>21284805
Your moms diary

>>21284805
Your dads diary

>>21284805
My diary

>>21284805
Your diary

what's a good stand-alone fantasy novel to read with my gf who really likes Tolkien?

>>21281443
Good, but it's stretched out longer than it should've been, shit's 14 books long, so just keep that in mind if you're gonna go for it.

>>21284805
Anne Franks diary

>>21281443
>gaslit
Fuck off, princess. You never get better than mixed opinions on that here.

anyone else read web novels and feel ashamed of it

>>21284805
Our diary :3

>>21284805
>What's a good fantasy to read if I also like women with big tits?

There are numerous harem and erotica novels that you may like, just check the chart.

>>21285432
Any recommendations from here?

>>21284805
Speaking of this, does anyone know some good literary sci fi books with intense, well written sex scenes like Dying Inside or even Hyperion?

>>21285525
Many of those I read aren't on the chart, but from the few I read I recommend Fimbulwinter, Ex Superheroes and Herald of Shalia.

Outside of those, try Randi Darren stuff, especially Fostering Faust. If you want something that's not self-pub, read Good Intentions.

>>21280811
F. Only ever read the Halo books but they were some of the best tie-in fiction I've ever read

>>21285542
Thanks I'll check these out

>>21280811
> Bloodmusic
> Eon + sequels
> The Forge of God + Anvil of Stars
> Darwin's Radio + sequel
> Queen of Angels

He really did write some amazing books early in his career.

>>21282551
It's very good, read it as soon as you can.

Between The Night Land and The Dream of X by William Hope Hodgson, which one is the best version to read?

>>21285542
>Recommending Fimbulwinter
Lol

>>21285810
>botns
>hard to get into
AHAHAHAHAHAH
literally babbys first dying earth story

>>21285810
What does SABCD mean

>>21285818
It’s hard to “get in to” because of weird freaks like you that cry whenever someone else talks about it. Case in point: right now.

>>21285819
Are you some mental retard? It’s easy to decipher what it means.

>>21285823
Why would it start with S?

>>21285829
Don’t you have better things to do than pretend to be some idiot on an online forum?

>>21285823
>video game addict tries to apply video game terminology to everything
I cannot wait for everyone like you to be dead. Thank god video game sales are plummeting and future generations won’t attach their entire personalities to a hobby for babies

>>21285830
What the hell are you talking about? Since when does the alphabet start with s? Do they give S grades in school?

>>21285830
If you keep responding to him, he will do it for hours. Best if you just ignore him, he's only doing it for attention since he has nothing else to do.

>>21285835
>Do they give S grade in school?
Yes.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Academic_grading_in_Japan

What does /sffg/ think of this list of the, "Primordial Nine"? Would you add/remove any authors?

>>21285841
I don’t live in Japan and I don’t think you do either, weeb

>>21285845
>H.P. Lovecraft
Every story is about a loner scientist who ends up in some weird place where an unseen monster kills them. It is very original for the first three stories.

>>21285845
Lord Dunsany and Robert W Chambers should be added.

>>21285848
The choice of scale is arbitrary. It might as well have been A B C D E, or 1 2 3 4 5, or one of those in reverse order, or something else even. It could have been even as vague as having two arrows pointing at opposite directions "having more literary merit" and "having less literary merit". The point is that there is a clear and obvious scale of things that are perceived as relatively good versus other things. To complain about an arbitrary symbols used to convey subjective, qualitative information is simply you looking for a fight. Anyone is able, after looking at the chart for 5 seconds, to distinguish what is the meaning of SABCD, as it is implied from the context. That you need to know what exactly is the meaning behind the letters speaks of one of two things or both; you can't google, and you are lying.

>>21285525
Celestine Chronicles is pretty good. Call it existential horror porn. It gets a lot better in the later books. Best to find a recent copy or just get them from Amazon because Cebelius releases early and patches often.

>>21285872
I've read the T.A.P. stuff from Cebelius and while it was neat, it felt a bit odd in its pacing and whatnot. Also apparently it's just not erotica unlike his other stuff. Is his fantasy stuff better, then?

>>21285867
If someone didn’t know the books or that S means good to video game brain poisoned idiots they could think it’s a negative number or something. To 99% of people that go outside A is the top.

>>21285821
No, it's because it's shit and babbys first dying earth story
It's the most midwit book ever written

>>21285845
based
william morris and rider haggard should be on there though

>>21285892
I'm not going to address things already addressed in my previous post. You are just rephrasing your earlier complaints.

>>21285910
Because it’s still stupid to label something like that and video games are still toys for children

>>21285886
Yes all his fantasy stuff is better. Even his Would you date an series isnt bad, even if the last book was odd. I really didn’t care for T.A.P.

Im really liking neuromancer but trying to follow the dialogue is giving me an aneurysm. gibson has this bad habit of just spontaneously jumping from one bit to the next and doesnt give the reader much clues on the transitions.

did anyone else also feel this or am I just a brainlet?

>>21285926
>bad habit
Not everything that’s difficult for you is bad. Yes you are a brainlet. Not because it’s a hard book but because you instinctively see it as a fault with the piece and not yourself. Make yourself better, it’s not the book’s problem you’re stupid.

>>21280333
https://archive.macleans.ca/article/2005/5/30/the-star-trek-connection
>THE STAR TREK CONNECTION
>A surprising number of child sex abusers appear to be Trekkies. Trying to figure out what that means, however, shows how little we really know about pedophiles

>>21285956
Why do you retards always post off-topic bullshit that doesn’t pertain to /lit/ or /sffg/? Fuck off to /tv/.

>>21285919
Good to know, at least. I'm not exactly a huge purveyor of smut stuff, but I occasionally look at it. T.A.P. feels like it somehow has interesting stuff intermingled with really dumb worldbuilding and the plot is just kinda... The protagonist bumblefucking his way through stuff.

>>21285835
abcde or 12345 are normie irl grading standards, on 4chan and internet (and Japan) S stands for Super, SS is double that, S just sounds cool, SS is also accepted as super high standard by white people, complaining about it on a site about anime and japan is dumb af, if you don't like 4chan culture you can fuck off back to re**it, goodreads or whatever troon website you came from.

>>21285810
What a fucking pseud lmao

>>21280333
What do you guys think of audiobooks for books with lots of names? >>21286036
It was hard to keep track of people and events for the first third of the dark forest, but it had a lot of skipping around. Would Dune be difficult to keep track of?

Do I finish the four Aspect-Emperor books before reading the short stories?

>>21284894
The Broken Sword

>>21285926
That's on purpose. You're supposed to lag and catch up because the world is moving faster than you.

>>21286042
Dune doesn't have a very big cast and the names aren't too similar.

>it's a Wayne prologue
>it's a Wayne first chapter
Better than all the other Cosmere shlock so far. All of his wit and humor is bound within one character.

>>21286259
I still refuse to believe he didn't know who Simon Pegg was when writing Wayne because Wayne is exactly a Simon Pegg sort of character.

>>21285771
The Night Land is almost unreadable. There is a "story retold" version that fixes its horrible prose and cuts the length to 1/3rd. I don't know about the other one.

>The Sky has cracked into potter’s shards,

>Fire sweeps the compass of Heaven,

>The beasts flee, their hearts maddened,

>The trees fall, their backs broken.

>Ash has shrouded all sun, choked all seed,

>The Halaroi howl piteously at the Gates,

>Dread Famine stalks my Mansion.

>Brother Siöl, Viri begs your pardon.

103 days until Lord of Mysteries 2. Time to reread book 1, anon.

are there any sci-fi stories as unapologetically racist as Chinese ones?

what I mean by this, is that whenever you read Chinese science fiction novels, you come to recognize a pattern: every antagonist or otherwise morally reprehensible character will always have a non-Chinese name, and their race will not be Chinese. In fact, it will be up to the glorious Han Chinese main protagonist to stop their treasonous plot against humanity(the Chinese).

Is there anything similar to this in the West?

Are the Xeelee Sequence books good?

>>21286650
sounds based, why are w*stoids so cucked?

>>21285771
I've quit about half way through The Night Land. The prose isn't difficult but just tedious and long, but knowning that the The Dream of X is just a 1/10th of the length leaves out some interesting scenes. From that experience I would recommend looking at the "Retold" version.

>>21286475
shits fucked

>>21285810
>Chronicles of Prydain in F tier
I am personally offended, I loved that series as a kid, still think about it today. Had such a good ending if I remember right as well.

>>21285897
What's some dying earth story for grownups?

>>21282648
>gamelit
>litrpg
First time hearing either of these terms, surely people aren't just writing about made up characters from their dnd campaigns/
favorite video games and calling it literature? Is there something to it I'm missing?

>>21287262
Take a fantasy wizard and have him navigate menus

Fanfiction discussion isn't really allowed but here's a quick example: https://www.fanfiction.net/s/14059917/1/Harry-Potter-and-the-GUI

>>21287205
Book of the New Sun

I Shall Seal the Heavens = Kino
Simple as.

>>21287340
It was GOAT until 95% of the way in the author decides to cuck Xu Qing

>>21287347
You mean the clone relationship? bc the other girl only comes back to the real meng hao at the end and even that doesnt show 100% if they gonna be a trio

>>21280811
F
I was just googling him and saw the date, good to see some acknowledgement here. He deserves a thread more so than some of the people I've seen get one.
Blood Music is an impressive novel, it's mind bending, and takes the scifi concept to a logical conclusion that I had trouble comprehending. Starts off like a thriller, shifts into post-apoc and ends with the universe itself changing.
I'm going to read Queen of Angels next.
rip

>>21287304
Wacky, but I guess it makes sense something like that would exist given the cultural capital vidya has nowadays. Thank you for the link, I don't think that one in particular is quite my bag but it's an interesting concept and not really an angle I'd considered for serious sff writing.

>>21281279
No, read The Sorcerer's House. It's fun and easier to get into, and you'll get a feeling for Wolfe's style and his sensibilities.

>>21287427
LitRPGs can either be characters in a "real" world gaining the power to view the world as a game, or it can be about characters actually stuck in a game.
>writing about made up characters from their dnd campaigns
This isn't really called litRPG. Record of Lodoss War and Malazan are both examples of this approach.

>>21287304
I just binged this because I was bored.

The Citadel from the New Sun is made of unsmeltable metal, right? That makes it the same metal the bedrock of the Whorl is made in the Long Sun, am I right?

>>21287427
>serious sff writing
That's a fair point, the better ones almost all have either some parodic angle going or are just so fully committed that even if it's stupid it still works. The worst ones are the ones that just kinda lazily tack on menus to an existing magic system, the better ones actually try and work out how such a system would work in the world, how society would be, etc. Infinite Realm is actually quite good at that later one, though I find it hard to recommend because unless you're really into the author's deep-dive on how his system works it's just a bit iffy. Cool worldbuilding and characterisation, at least.
Personal favourite LitRPG is Dungeon Crawler Carl, because that kind of leans into the parodic angle but does it solely to contrast with how fucked up the situation actually is.

>>21287427
If you're interested, Dungeon Crawler Carl is pretty widely regarded as the only series that takes that premise and actually executes it well, regardless of your opinion on the series itself. Most of the people writing it just handwave why video game mechanics exist, DCC actually gives a why and how.

>>21287764
There are others that do explain why they exist as an underlying 'thing' of reality, and some do even a halfway decent job, but DCC works because it's an imposed thing and clearly 'not real', as it were.

>write 500 words in hald anhour
>wow, my output is shit
how do i stop myself from thinking this

>>21286259
>Ain’t no fellow who regretted giving it one extra shake, but you can bet every guy has regretted giving one too few.
this is "humour"?

>>21287788
Wayne is Sanderson's only genuinely funny character in all the Cosmere.
>28% through
I bet this shit is going to have a BAD END and then oh boy Sanderson dies before writing another Mistborn story, the modern series.

Any suggestions for a book like A Memory Called Empire?

It took me like 3 months to finish The Eye of the World, kept putting it off because it is boring as heck.
Is The Wheel of Time really worth it? I hope the 2nd book knocks my sock off.

>>21288126
I didn't really like Eye of the World when I first read it, it was very formulaic. I think the second, and especially the third books are much better. It's not until half way through the second book that Rand stops reacting to the plot and starts to try and take control, which is understandable in-universe but also a bit of a problem pacing-wise.

Also one particular flaw I find with the series is that Mat doesn't start getting an actual character until book 3. Jordan really should have moved some of his content forward, because he's legitimately a high point of the series.

>>21288126
Stop
It only gets worse, especially the fuckin women

>>21288126
Consider browsing the archives, newfriend.

>>21287262
>First time hearing either of these terms
I don't believe you

Oh /lit/ help me I’m falling down a dragon media rabbit hole after watching house of the dragons and now I’ve got my face stuffed into wings of fire. Book 1 is wrapped up and I’m cruising through book two now with Tsunami. What am I getting myself into?

>>21286042
I usually don't have trouble keeping track, but fantasy or sci-fi audiobooks with a lot of made up words or names can sometimes be difficult to remember what are who they are since I can't visualize the spelling.
>>21286258
You're right, but I feel obligated to point out that in the fifth one there are two characters who are older men who each mentor a younger protagonist who have similar names. When I listened to the audiobook I thought the two were the same guy for the first quarter of the book.

>>21285810
>Perdido street station
I’m reading the scar rn, it’s good
Is that one worth it too? How does it compare to the scar?

>>21288126
Eye is the most cookie cutter book in the series. Book 2 is where it evolves into it's own deal.

Give me examples of lovecraftian futurism in exchange for this photo of your grandmother

>>21288888

>zlib goes down
>Thread dies

Many such cases

>>21287756
>That's a fair point, the better ones almost all have either some parodic angle going or are just so fully committed that even if it's stupid it still works. The worst ones are the ones that just kinda lazily tack on menus to an existing magic system, the better ones actually try and work out how such a system would work in the world, how society would be, etc. Infinite Realm is actually quite good at that later one, though I find it hard to recommend because unless you're really into the author's deep-dive on how his system works it's just a bit iffy. Cool worldbuilding and characterisation, at least.
>Personal favourite LitRPG is Dungeon Crawler Carl, because that kind of leans into the parodic angle but does it solely to contrast with how fucked up the situation actually is.
Am I schizophrenic I was the person who wrote this, but some weeks ago, maybe months. I fuckign swear, it sound 95% like I would write it, on the same topic.
Am I mad, or is someone copying and pasting posts?

>>21289124
Maybe I'm just taking what I read and rephrasing it. I know there WAS a spambot copy-pasting posts. Don't recall seeing any post SPECIFICALLY like the one I wrote there but I don't remember everything I read here (if anything). It's my genuine opinion, at the very least, so maybe we just post alike.

>fantasy book has dragons
>fantasy book has sex
>there is no sex with the dragons

>science fiction book has aliens
>science fiction book has sex
>there is no sex with the aliens

This is bullshit

>>21288897
>t. granny was a fukken whale
lmao and how much do you weight, fatso?

Is this fucker dead or something?
He promised that book 2 would be out on audio by December last Year, yet nothing a year later.

>>21289274
I only know of this series from that godawful chart, is it actually any good?

>>21289202
>fantasy book has dragons
>fantasy book has sex
>there is no sex with the dragons
Read Blue Core, optionally Dragon's Justice but dragon fucking comes in the latter books.
I think there are many books about fucking dragons, but alas, most of trashy. Would check some good harems witht hem, but it's NNN. Don't tempt me.

>science fiction book has aliens
>science fiction book has sex
>there is no sex with the aliens

Read Snek Guy's stories, it's all about fucking aliens. Also, rather well written.
https://snekguy.com/stories/pinwheel/

>10 (TEN) fucking books and that's only the main story

Jesus christ give me a break. Can you guys rec me some good fantasy that's like maximum 3 books? no "it was sci-fi all along" shit please

>>21289294
>Jesus christ give me a break. Can you guys rec me some good fantasy that's like maximum 3 books?
Lies of Locke Lamora is good book, but don't read the next ones, at most the second one, don't touch the third.

>>21289298
>recommend a book series where the author is pulling a GRRM and ROTHFUSS

>>21289294
The Lord of the Rings. It's the best fantasy book.

>>21289298
I'd rather not pick up something with the preconceived intent to not finish it
>>21289313
not the worst idea, only read them once and it's been years

>>21289293
>humanoid female on male dragon

I was looking for the other way around but I take what I can get

>>21289385
>I was looking for the other way around but I take what I can get
You mean, you want Dragon female with Male humanoid? I don't think I've seen one like that desu, and I've seen some shit. At best you can get male dragon (in dragon form) fucking a female humanoid.

It is exceedingly hard to make a sex scene of giant, four-legged, fire-breathing Lizards with wings hot. With humanoid forms it's easier, because you just add dragon characteristics and traits to humanoid forms. There's also the possibility of a male dragon and human female, which works because women find extremely big cocks and even bigger partners hot as hell...but it just doesn't work if you take a small human male and big dragon female. I mean, it could work if the dragon was rather small, let's say twice as big as a human, but otherwise you'd have to write some tricky shit, i.e. a humanoid male drinking a potion or casting a spell that makes him or at least his cock gigantic, allowing for a weird coupling of big human and normal dragon.

If you want a male humanoid and a female non-humanoid, you can do at most centaurs without breaking the suspension of disbelief.
The idea of a male humanoid and female dragon is cute, though, so it can work as a story in itself. I know DnD subreddits joke a lot about Bards seducing Dragons. There surely must be some fic like that on AO3 or similar site.

In the meantime, catch a dragon with male human pic from my Dragon collection

>>21288396
>>21289202
>>21289293
>>21289385
>>21289413
Why do we suddenly have this scalieshit samefaggot /trash/ing up our thread?