/lit/ - Literature

>>21262886
The Organon.

I started with Poetics and Rhetoric, then went on to Nicomachean Ethics, but I'm not sure what a person should start with.

>>21262896
Why?

With the first part.

>>21262902
Lol don't listen to him, Organon is infamously difficult. It's the most useful but also probably not the place to start. It'd be like starting to study a second language and solely cramming grammar rules for three months. Start with something sexier. Politics, Rhetoric, and Ethics are his "books to turn you into a gentleman" combo.

>>21262886
Categories

Organon

Start with the first couple chapters of Rist's Mind of Aristotle and then consult it freely when you get lost, and you will have a 100x better time with Aristotle. Gerson's Aristotle and other Platonists is also helpful.

You should probably start with Ethics or Politics because they will keep your interest and have enough in them that is "generally" philosophical that anyone can benefit from reading them, even if they don't fully understand Aristotle's thought. On the Soul is also interesting. If you want to understand his thought you need to read a mix of his logical writings and the Metaphysics, but that's really hard. If you can follow along the logical writings with Rist and an in-depth guide to Aristotle's logic that explains the concepts well (maybe a series of videos?), that could be ideal.

Search on Youtube for Arthur Holmes' Aristotle lectures too.

>>21262886
Epicurus

>>21263020
>>21263047
san kyu

>>21263020
>Organon is infamously difficult.

>>21262886
1. physics
2. de anima
3. metaphysics
4.nicomachean ethics
5. politics
6.rhetoric
7. poetics

>>21263077
>Greater mind
Can I have your autograph?

>>21263077

>>21263103

>>21262886
Whichever one you want.

>>21262896
Should I read his political and ethical works first?

>>21262886
I thought politics was the most interesting. Ethics is also good. Everything else was forgettable.

self bump

we need to go back to being german supremacists

>>21262886
i usually start with volume 1, and when i'm done with that i start volume 2

>>21264700
>namefag
>rosicrucian
>go back
Yes, you need to go back to the womb.

just don't. It's all crap for college kids to pseud off about and has no relevance on everday life

>>21262886
You can skip his smaller treatises like on color, on plants, etc since they're mostly outdated science. But everything else is worth reading.

>>21262886
You should start with the real greeks (the pre-socratics)

>>21262886

volume 1

genuinely just read thomas aquinas’ commentary on him. it improves upon it all

>>21266026
I made a thread for them. I will.

>>21266808
Where

>>21266832
It died. >>21254621

>>21266853
Just read Zeller's Outlines and a decent collection like the Ancilla or the Oxford one or whatever, if you know some Greek you should try the Laks/Most parallel editions

Has anyone read this? I assume it only touches a very small amount of Aristotle but it is interesting in how long it took for someone to propose new ideas and how seemingly unknown he is.

>>21266853
I saw someone recommended Peter Kingsley's Reality. That person hates you. Kingsley apparently does have some great work on the pre-socratics, but that book is a meandering mess. Painfully repetitive woo woo babble.

I always recommend that people start with the Phoenix Pre-Socratics. The one for Parmenides is really good; not too long, nice intro essay, has all the fragments. Just an ideal little book. The ones on Anaxagoras and Empedokles are also great.

Also the Eleatics were right about everything, philosophy was murdered in athens, go visit my website.

>>21267045
You're very obnoxious

>>21266964
What? Even Aristotle's own students were proposing new ideas or otherwise rejecting his teachings. We have Theophrastus giving unmoved movers the thumbs down, Dikaiarchus applauding Sparta as the perfect state, and I'm sure there are other examples. That's not even leaving the peripatetics; you have plenty of other schools and thinkers rejecting Aristotelean positions.

Philoponus was around when the lights were going off in the West. Neoplatonists variously tried to harmonize past thinkers into some pan hellenic eclectic philosophy religion. Aristotle was prominent as part of that. Philoponus was arguing with neoplatonists and therefore arguing with their Saint, Aristotle, but that doesn't mean Aristotle was followed, let alone unchallenged, until the late imperial era.

Is the Ernest Barker still the best edtion for the politics?

>>21267092
Aside from the original Greek obviously.

Any suggestions for what the best commentaries are per text?

>>21267045
I like you. >>21267050 is mean.

>>21262886
Brother...

>>21263047
>Rist's Mind of Aristotle

>cheaptest physical copy is $53
>no digital versions available online, not even on archive.org
uh can I get some help here bros

>>21262886
>What should I start with?

>>21267852
I have it

>>21268034
It would take a while to get sufficiently good at Greek to understand Aristotle. I am in the process, but Aristotle is difficult no matter what.

>>21267557
Thank you. The Plato & Aristotle bros are just bitter and afraid. They need to expand their reading list.