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Hitler: The Book: The Game

>>21259633
I know this is a bait thread , but you should start with hegel then move on to Sorel and finally Giovanni gentile.

>>21259633
Just listen to Kanye while reading some Mein Kampf.

>>21259633
Everything written before the 18th century is /pol/esque.

Mein Kampf

>>21259649
>but you should start with hegel
Any works that I need to read beforehand?

>>21259685
The entire Western canon

>>21259662
everything before the enlightenment

>>21259685
Aristotle

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>>21259699
And yes, the boat scene in the Iliad is crucially important to understanding the development of Hegel's historical thought, so you can't get a translation which skips it. In fact, reading the Iliad in translation is going to make it very hard to even get a grasp of Hegel at all.

>>21259641
>Now a major motion picture!

>>21259633
Anything by Mishima but the gay stuff
Anything by Flannery O'Connor
Anything by Lovecraft
Anything by Tolkien
Anything by Junger
Anything by Baudelaire
Anything by Dostoy
Borges was a gigachud too but his works lack politics
also random shit like Mafarka the Futurist

>>21259685
Well you can start with Philosophy of History which is basically a book on what generally is though as Western-centric history. You'll get general knowledge on antiquity, medieval era and modernity. The other Hegel books might be an interesting read, but they are end-game philosophy, so not for you.

Also don't even think Hegel leads to Marx, as marxists would like you to believe. Hegel is an utmost defender of western living and a Christian(although the wrong kind of Christian).

>>21259633
I successful quite heroin by taking up morphine, maybe you should try morphine.

>>21259633
new book about orban is good

>>21259928
dictators by Richard Overy (800+ pages)

>>21259933
Decision Points by George W. Bush (yes unironically)

>>21259881
There is basically four different strands of Hegel. The mysticist, conservative, liberal and left. But it's hard to gauge his true position due to censorship but people tend to see what they want to see in him.

>>21259633
Read Capital Volume 1 to realize how stupid you are and wake yourself up from your pseud slumber.

>>21259948
The basic position is that the is an idealist in the least. Noone who adheres to only materialism exists can be called hegelian. Taking the method Hegel uses doesn't mean someone is hegelian.

>>21259633
Maybe try to expose yourself to different points of view you insufferable retard

>>21259940
Really? Any reasons?

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>>21259986
religion is an empty vessel to be used by the ruling ideology.

>>21259633
Read Bible. Grow up from being edgy nazi.

>>21259982
Yeah, whoever titled that book needs a good thrashing.

>>21259979
Its good if you're interested in politics. It talks about 9/11 which is a fascination for many.

>>21259993
Ideology is just another religion though. Ideology drives people and everyone works within the framework of his own mind

>>21259671
Life is hard lefty

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>>21260128
IMO Ayn Rand should be also at the beginner level

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>>21259633
what does that have to do with registered democrats?

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>>21260204
just go on 4plebs and look for book chart threads

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>>21260208
Have sex.

>>21260220
With humans? NO

on the chuds and their lies

>>21260128
Looks actually decent, gonna start with this
I hope I haven't been memd

>>21260891
You are the meme.

>>21259685
>>but you should start with hegel
>Any works that I need to read beforehand?
Hegel.

Read Mein Kampf.

If you desire a deeper understanding of it you may find a good world-concept in National-Socialism.

If you are scared to read it or worried that downloading it would place you on some sort of registered the conditioning has worked and you are controlled.

If you read it and feel repelled and disgusted by it, you're probably a Marxist, jew or from outside of Europe. Maybe all three.

>>21259633
im writing one. give me a year.

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>>21262540
anyone I've ever talked to who had a negative opinion of this book came off strongly of not having actually read it. they say something vague about it being "rantish" and have little to say on its contents.

>>21262737
Because they got their opinion from Wikipedia, which is the only source of any information on the book. Which omits huge sections of it and even outright lies about some of the contests by referencing terribly translated versions.

The parts where he speaks about his ideas for a new school system are my personal favorite, I would love to see them implemented in this age.

>>21262756
the mainstream system of schooling is the lynchpin of everything.

something I enjoyed that I don't see discussed much is his account of his experiences during the first world war. it's written in the form of a heroic tragedy that was extremely emotionally persuasive. I found myself severely distraught that I couldn't help this man and his nation from another time in even the most simple of ways. a very strong element to include when trying to convince others toward ideology and action.

>>21262788
It is wild that most modern (jewish) scholars insist he embellished his service during the war, was never in any real danger and was largely kept away from any fighting. All this appears to be simply a character assassination of Hitler. He was able to command the loyalty of huge sections of German society, especially the military. Hardened, toughened men who experienced some of the worst horrors of the war. One is not able to do that if what they claim was true. I too found his war stories moving, especially his time in the hospital.

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>>21260220
Dilate

>>21259685
>Hegel

>>21263134
I know I need to read Hegel to read Hegel, but who do I need to read to read Hegel to read Hegel?

>>21262825
>“No President has done more for Israel than I have," Trump wrote on his Truth Social account.

>"Somewhat surprisingly, however, our wonderful Evangelicals are far more appreciative of this than the people of the Jewish faith, especially those living in the U.S.," Trump wrote.
>"Those living in Israel, though, are a different story - Highest approval rating in the World, could easily be P.M.!"
>"U.S. Jews have to get their act together and appreciate what they have in Israel - Before it is too late!"

>>21263195
He’s probably an anglo, and it’s basically pointless to read Hegel if you don’t understand German

>>21263214
Meh, you can read Hegel if you're up on your Jeets and Cha'an shitposting culture. Hegel's writing is very pretty though. Prettier than years of shitposting about how Daoism sucks on hills in China. Also Hegel has a better curriculum than Cha'an.

>>21263195
I wouldn't worry about it

>>21260070
The key difference between ideology and religion is that one doesn't require belief in god(s).

>>21259633
Fiction
Turner Diaries
Serpent's Walk
Anne Frank's diary

Nonfiction
Mine were of Trouble
Always with Honor
Sun and Steel
Infantry Attacks
Panzer Leader
Mein Kampf

Turner Diaries is not actually a good book but it's fucking hilarious to read how Pierce thought the world would be in the future and how he actually underestimated how fucked everything would be. Serpent's walk was written by a guy best known for writing a D&D setting of all things, came out after his death that he was low-key writing althist about the SS going to another dimension or some whacky shit.

I've been working on a novel of my own set in clownworld 2030, with the conceit being that it's told from the perspective of a black guy who's just observing the civil war from the sidelines because he got IED'd in Syria and can't fight. There's a scene where he is captured along with a unit of left-wing guerillas, and the Neo-Nazis execute all of the white people and Jews, but leave the protagonist, another black guy and a spic alive, and says "Yeah we made a deal with the Nation of Islam that we wouldn't kill the blacks and we made a deal with the Mexican government that we wouldn't kill any Mexicans," and the spic says "oh I'm from Guatemala" and they immediately shoot him and then let the blacks go.

A sort of light-hearted take on an American race war.

>>21259873
>also random shit like Mafarka the Futurist
based. i love that book.

>>21259649
screw Hegel, without background in Schelling and Fichte he's practically unintelligable. Read Giambatista Vico instead.

You shouldn’t be looking to read blatantly ideological material. You’re going to have to engage with people and institutions that are totally separate from and opposed to your worldview. They don’t care if Bataille was a cryptofascist or Yockey would support the Russian invasion of Ukraine or whether Himmler’s runestone interpretation was rooted in perennial truths and then fight over Evola vs Guenon as the voice of perennial tradition. Go look up some college syllabuses for political science, literature, philosophy, art history whatever because you are sure as shit going to have to be able to run intellectual circles around establishment figures on canonical material if you want your fringe ideology to take over

>>21260083
Mein Kampf is left wing because it analyzes society from historical and material developments. Marx and Engels wrote basically the same thing.

>>21264412
That is not what those mean you dumb fucking kike. The first half is a biography, the second half is his plans for a better society.

Marxism is the examination of class relations and the assumption that they are the root cause of all issues, and that by only examining the materialistic conditions of the worker one can extract conclusions of how to progress. Simply mentioning hardship of people working is not marxist, if you bothered to read it Marx or Mein Kampf you would know this.

This is why you were gassed.

Tldr
Read Mein Kampf.

le heckin juengerino

>>21264495
>That is not what those mean you dumb fucking kike.
Seething
> The first half is a biography, the second half is his plans for a better society.
Non sequitur.
>Marxism is the examination of class relations and the assumption that they are the root cause of all issues, and that by only examining the materialistic conditions of the worker one can extract conclusions of how to progress.
Hitler said the same thing
> Simply mentioning hardship of people working is not marxist, if you bothered to read it Marx or Mein Kampf you would know this.
He didn't simply mention it.
>This is why you were gassed.
Seething.
>Tldr
Reddit.
>Read Mein Kampf.
I did.

>>21260204
mussolinis intellectuals is a good book which seriously investigates the ideological foundations of italian fascism... shouldnt be on a list with far-right propaganda like duke and discredited tendentious shit like macdonald

>>21264532
No one is interested in scholastic orthodoxy, especially not now, when the academy can't even produce thinkers with perspective like Gregor anymore because they have been re-consuming and re-producing their own recycled propaganda for so long that the dilution has reached a theoretical maximum. One should read whatever gives one a good perspective on fascism. Gregor was criticized for having race realist views anyway, and probably would have agreed with much of David Duke's original platform, which was perfectly sane and legitimate especially by the standards of its time. Gregor is also quite clearly modestly sympathetic with Fascism and sees it in purely functionalist terms. Other great mainstream writers are also probably "problematic" from your perspective. Nolte was a holocaust revisionist or at least in favor of free speech for them, and Sternhell was an ardent Israeli zionist. Gottfried is a paleocon and many say a quasi-fascist.

MacDonald is perfectly fine. He should be read precisely because he is so controversial. Anyone controversial should be read. People should form their own opinions, not obey moralizing scholastics who can't even write good books anymore.

>>21260128
>a trigger warning about reading Marx
Bahahahaha do /pol/tards really?

>>21264685
To be fair Marx was extremely racist and antisemitic

>>21264687
I state nigger and kike, and I've already outdone him on both of those concepts.

>>21264555
uhh i think ive had an argument with you on here before, either that or every retarded chud on /lit/ who actually reads is just starting to blend into one.
I read that Roger Griffin book Fascism and Modernism, it was pretty great,and a good example of a mainstream scholar who has an innteresting perspective and synthesizes a massive amount of material. I agree it's pretty tiresome when some scholar of fascism slips into the same old line about the importance of liberal values and democracy, as if fascism has nothing valuable to teach us, but good work is still being produced by mainstream scholars... aristotle kallis' book about nazi propaganda, and paul Furlong's book about evola are two more examples.

>Gregor was criticized for having race realist views anyway
I've seen this claim around the place, can you give any source on it? or just criticisms of gregor generally? He clearly has some fascist sympathies but most 'scholastic' experts on fascist ideology seem to cite him approvingly. I also have seen the claim that he published in Mosley's postwar fascist journal, but again ive found no serious evidence to back it up.

>MacDonald is perfectly fine. He should be read precisely because he is so controversial. Anyone controversial should be read. People should form their own opinions, not obey moralizing scholastics who can't even write good books anymore.
suns rising so i wanna take a walk instead of responding to this in detail but pretty much every factual statement in there is wrong. Nolte believed wasnt a "holocaust revisionist" in the popular sense of a denier, he just believed that jewish organizations were complicit for some of the causes... sternhell criticized israel for its fascist tendencies. and obviously its not worth reading something just because it's controversial. The only good reason to read someone like david duke or william luther pierce is to understand the phenomenon of extremism. The actual ideas in these works are worthless.

>>21259867
now at six flags!!
HH: The Book: The Game: The Movie: The Ride

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>>21262812
You get easily impressed by dictators it seems

>>21262737
I have read it and it is mostly a schizo rant about jews le bad

>>21264740
It's possible but I don't know. I really liked Griffin's book as well. You can tell he's trying to put together thoughts he's been developing for years into a cohesive whole. Do you read German? Rohkramer is also incredible, I think one of his books is in English too.

I think the last people writing good scholarship on fascism and right wing extremism are exceptions or they're senior scholars. If you saw some of the crap that's coming out recently, you'd know what I mean. I just check it out occasionally because of pic related phenomenon, but it's shockingly bad considering how hot a topic it is. You can tell the new crop of academics just can't do any social science that isn't based on talking points and surface level analysis. You won't get another Griffin out of this except as exceptions to the rule.

>on Gregor
I only mentioned it because I've heard other other people mention it to disparage him a lot. I personally don't care and wouldn't know the citation. I think he wrote something about it in his youth. It was probably incredibly mild. The way people react to Gregor is a good segue into your statements about MacDonald and reading controversial figures. Have you ever read the email exchanges about him and pushing him out of tenure? They're proof that tenure is meaningless and also proof that soft power should be met with hard and conscious resistance. I'm sure you're a perfectly reasonable guy despite our disagreements in worldview but when you say things like people are just "wrong" or "worthless" you are acting as a frontline soldier for generals in the war of thought control who do not care about you or me. We would never be able to have this discussion in places controlled by the people who agree with you and who would pat you on the back for saying the things I read are worthless and self-evidently bad and stupid etc. Have you read The Spy Who Came In From the Cold? From a Leamas to a Fiedler, enjoy your walk.

>>21264778
An obscure, poor painter and Corporal from an impoverisht family went on to unify a broken, crippled nation and made it strong enough to threaten the world. And enjoy huge support of the native people. You are lying if you do not think that is an impressive feat.

>>21259873
Anything by Jünger?
I would say anything by Schmitt, but not Ernst.

>>21265267
This, also this. I have read from several sources that Schmitt and Jünger were good, lifelong friends and during the post second world war period they would meet to discuss politics.

Would Alice read Mister's prepared list of autistic imageboard authors now? Mister waited patiently with the webcam on while alice munched the sugar cube.

"Ahhhhh... HAPPINESSSH"

"Alice, read the next list now too please"

"O-k..... Mizder. But more sweech sweech for shitty shect awice too ok? Easy" Mister nodded his head in encouragement

"My faaaavourite booksh for vewy eajy people..... a twoublesomme inheritance, da bell cuve (city sect!), da killing of da (Scum!) uncle sam, an pawevd wit good intenchions. Yuuuuuu"

>>21263195
Hegel

>>21259633
Hitlers revolution
Central banking and the enslavement of mankind

>>21259948
He put religion at a more advanced stage than reason, understanding and spirit in PdG, so take that as you will. The only thing above it is Absolute Knowing itself.

>>21259685
all of them

>>21259633
ask pol

>>21259725
If you can't even memorise all the factions, captains and their place of origin in the army introduction chapter in the iliad how can you hope to comprehend Hegel?

>>21264768
Funniest shit I've seen this week.

>>21264740
>>Gregor was criticized for having race realist views anyway
>I've seen this claim around the place, can you give any source on it? or just criticisms of gregor generally?
from wikipedia
In 1959, Gregor joined with Robert E. Kuttner to found the International Association for the Advancement of Ethnology and Eugenics (IAAEE), where Gregor acted as secretary. According to Gregor, the organization was founded to restore "an intellectual climate in the U.S., and throughout the Western World, which would permit a free and open discussion of racial ... problems." The organization was funded by segregationist Wickliffe Draper to oppose the civil rights movement.[4]

>>21259633
Carrol Quigley
Anthony Sutton

>>21267739
*Antony Sutton

There were 3 /pol/ ebook torrents for pdf, kindle and epub but you can't download them 100% anymore. Maybe someone here got it and is willing to seed again?

/pol/ expert here
start with mein kampf obviously
then read 'The Young Hitler I Knew'

>>21267815
>The Young Hitler I Knew
most likely ghost written though

Haven't seen Culture of Critique mentioned unless it's in one of those shitty infographs I never read. That's a travesty and a key to understanding a lot of what's going on in the world today. Definitely an eye-opener for the uninitiated.For a more balanced worldview I'd recommend Ship of Fools by Tucker Carlson, The Divide and Griftopia by Matt Taibbi, Death of the West by Pat Buchanan, and Camp of the Saints by Jean Raspail. All great in their own right.

For some entertainment purposes, Hunter and The Turner Diaries are fun if not particularly well-written, and Siege reads like a schizophrenic's diary. If you're looking for mindless brutality written by folks exposed as actual federal agents for the express purpose of radicalizing potential domestic terrorists, Iron Gates (I think that's what it's called) is kind of a WN version of an Edward Lee book replete with rape and torture. Adjustment Day by Palahniuk is an ambitious and entertaining read, but the execution of a great idea admittedly leaves something to be desired.

If you want something heavier, go with just about anything from David Irving. Hitler's War is probably his masterpiece, but his Goebbels's biography is great as well. Hitler's Table Talk is also a good read, although I've heard its veracity has been called into question on more than one occasion. Of course read Mein Kampf. Can't go wrong with Machiavelli either.

Saving the best for last, Jim Goad's Redneck Manifesto might be my all-time favorite book of any genre. You'll laugh, learn, be pissed off and you'll likely come back to it for another reading at least once a year. Outstanding writer and a 10/10 book. You won't be disappointed, particularly if you come from a middle class/lower middle class background and are sick of being blamed for all of society's ills despite a life of despair and constant recriminations despite yielding no institutional power whatsoever.

Hope you find something you like in there, anon. Happy reading.

>>21268280
>Palahniuk
faggot