/lit/ - Literature

>>21255936
>tfw imagining FW translated into German

>>21255955
lmao what a tome that would be.

Why does he wear the Afro?

>>21256531
it's a hat

>>21255936
A thread died for this.

>>21255955
You don't have to imagine.

>>21256533
it's clearly an afro. have you even looked at the photo?

>>21255936
i love finnegans wake so much, i seriously wish people would give it a chance instead of dismissing it out right. i really dont understand people who like ulysses but completely dismiss fw.

>>21256845
it's obviously a hat, faggot.

>>21256840
this is not what finnegans wake reads like

What absolute rot.

>>21256950
>Evelyn
lmao this nigga has a girl's name

>>21256938
It's literally a German version of Finnegans Wake.

Sniffer of carrion, premature gravedigger, seeker of the nest of evil in the bosom of a good word, you, who sleep at our vigil and fast for our feast, you with your dislocated reason, have cutely foretold, a jophet in your own absence, by blind poring upon your many scalds and burns and blisters, impetiginous sore and pustules, by the auspices of that raven cloud, your shade, and by the auguries of rooks in parlament, death with every disaster, the dynamitisation of colleagues, the reducing of records to ashes, the levelling of all customs by blazes, the return of a lot of sweetempered gunpowdered didst unto dudst but it never stphruck your mudhead’s obtundity (O hell, here comes our funeral! O pest, I’ll miss the post!) that the more carrots you chop, the more turnips you slit, the more murphies you peel, the more onions you cry over, the more bullbeef you butch, the more mutton you crackerhack, the more potherbs you pound, the fiercer the fire and the longer your spoon and the harder you gruel with more grease to your elbow the merrier fumes your new Irish stew.

>>21256964
well idk if you've read finnegans wake but FW does not really play around with annotations like that. the only chapter that does so is Nightlessons, and even then it only plays around with the concept of annotations and footnotes. Finnegans Wake is more about the concept of having the way a word looks and sounds represent the idea more than the individual meaning rather than any experimentation like that

Imagine reading gibberish by an alcoholic brapfag who had more phobias than friends and thinking it has any merit.

>>21256840
halb verhexDD
UwU

>>21256980
Yes, the implementation differences are obvious, but artistic intent is the same and the work is directly inspired by Finnegans Wake, so in more ways than one that is the German FW.

>>21255936
prolly just the noise of a big ass fall yo

>>21257009
being inspired by Finnegans Wake does not automatically make it the 'German FW', thousands of things are inspired by finnegans wake, also, can you explain to me how the 'artistic intent is the same'?

>>21257009
What’s it called?

>>21257044
Are you just arguing for the sake of arguing? The book wasn't "inspired" in the same way your favorite mumble rap album was "inspired" by The Beach Boys, it's quite literally a dream sequence doorstopper with a host of stylistic devices from Finnegans Wake copied as-is.
>>21257068
Zettel's Traum
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bottom%27s_Dream

>>21257125
I'm really not, I'm just curious if you've read either book or are just arguing based off of Wikipedia summaries and shit that you've read. Finnegans Wake has a clear aim that goes beyond stylistic choices, and I'm not convinced that Bottom's Dream has the same aims that Joyce did.

>>21257147
I've read FW multiple times and I've read ZT once.
>Finnegans Wake has a clear aim that goes beyond stylistic choices, and I'm not convinced that Bottom's Dream has the same aims that Joyce did.
So you are arguing for the sake of arguing.

>>21257159
How? You're the one that has not explained how Bottom's Dream does what Joyce is trying to achieve in Finnegans Wake beyond 'they're both dreams', and 'they both are written weird'. As far as I can tell Bottom's Dream does not attempt to try to create a universal history like Joyce did, a true 'democratic' book that treats and affirms everybody in the same but different ways, a celebration of the sin and shame filled course of human history (O Felix Culpa!)

>>21256930
This
And I haven't read either

>>21256815
It was the slowest thread on /lit/. Nothing of value was lost.

>>21256930
There's quite a quantum leap between the two books. Even the densest sections of Ulysses don't even approach the complexity of the Wake.

>>21257167
>as far as I can tell it's not literally the same book in a different language
As far as I can tell you're retarded.

>>21257457
I'm not the one making dumbass statements like 'It's the german FW'. If you call something similar to Finnegans Wake I assume it is going to have similar themes. Nothing you've even posted so far has suggested to me that you have read either book so I wonder why I even bother replying...

>>21257447
But Joyce does not expect you to know and understand every single reference that he puts in Finnegans Wake. And Finnegans Wake is a book that is easy to enjoy even without understanding. It is a book that teaches you to read it in a sense, certain themes and phrases will show up and reappear over and over again, at one point the novel even refers to itself as repeating the same story over and over again. Over time you notice symbols and motifs and associate words with them and the meaning of those words changes as they repeat throughout the book. I honestly think Joyce does the exact same thing in Ulysses but Finnegans Wake just takes this process one step further. So I see no reason why anyone who adored Ulysses should completely dismiss FW.

Finnegans Wake is the best book I've never read but I pretend I did to feel smarter than other people tbdesu

>>21257585
Reading Finnegans Wake doesn't make you smart, it just means you really like poetry and the way words sound in your mouth

>>21257600
What if I like poetry and think is was a piece of shit?

>>21257605
Then you just have garbage taste

>>21257488
>thread about James Joyce's Finnegans Wake, a notoriously dense experimental work written in a peculiar non-linear "dreamlike" style full of ad hoc neologisms, bizarre onomatopoeias and byzantine references
>someone makes a humorous suggestion about a translation in German, a language notorious for its overlong compound words and strict grammar that often leads to convoluted sentence structure, implying the work already infamous for being poorly accessible without dedicated studies could use another layer of additional complexity
>someone else brings up Bottom's Dream, a notoriously dense experimental work written in a peculiar non-linear "dreamlike" style fill of ad hoc neologisms, bizarre onomatopoeias and byzantine references, a great deal of which were borrowed directly from Joyce, written in German by Arno Schmidt, a lifelong Joycean scholar and a translator of Joyce's work, who is colloquially known as the "German Joyce"
>but you can't just imply any similarity because it's only stylistically derivative and not literally the same book in a different tongue!
Can't wait till all those rejection letters come in and you finally kill yourself, you obstinate pseud faggot.

>>21257608
I'm not the guy reading gibberish by an alcoholic coomer and trying to pass it off as literature.

>>21257627
Man I just want someone to talk about Finnegans Wake with. The fact that he couldn't bring up a single thing about Bottom's Dream to compare with Finnegans Wake was a big red flag. Anyway I'm done with this thread. Peace.

lol this thread is so gay

>>21257037
It is CLEARLY a reference to THUNDER and Pádraig Pearce ragged on Angloshitlang AKA English, and one of his examples of how shitty English was, was "THUNDER". So, obviously, Joyce used several different words for THUNDER. lmao gobshite.

>>21255936

>only posting the word on the first page, that is, page 3

You'll Cowards Don't Even Read McLuhan

>>21257850
I don't. Should I?

>>21257850
>FW is a gigantic cryptogram which reveals a cylic pattern for the whole history of man through its Ten Thunders
Holy shit. All the Evola and Guenon that I have read is about to fucking pay off. RIDE THE TIGER / SURF THE KALIYUGA / bababadalgharaghtakamminarronnkonnbronntonnerronntuonnthunntrovarrhounawnskawntoohoohoordenenthurnuk

>>21257853
Yeah.