/lit/ - Literature

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>>21232533
Yeah Han Solo is pretty Chadly

>>21231468
>>21232565
Werewolfs fights and such mean it's the Hidden Realm arc. Mediocre, but decent ending. Then you get a kino wandering and improving adventure, which then transitions into the Twilight City arc. And then yet another cool arc.

Dunno why the other anon called me a cunt, it's a serious improvement compared to the previous events.

I started reading Sanderson and I need to know tow things, please help:
1. Is the first tome of Stormlight archives self-contained or will it bait me into reading the second book?
2. Is there an explanation for those pre-death quotes at the beginning of chapters? Is it in this tome?
yes or no please

Morally good Kellhus in space.

This is it lads
I'm almost done

>>21232911
1. Full bait, maximum marketing tactic.
2. No.

>>21232911
1. More self-contained than later ones but clearly ends on sequelbait.
2. Yes.

>>21233068
Enjoy the final ride. Let the meat take you.

i'm so fucking fed up at work that i don't even feel like reading

Just got about half way through Synners and stopped reading it. I just couldn't get into the boring story and the boring characters. Also, the author can't seem to write cool cyberpunk dialog. She writes dialogue in such an odd way. It's like the character will say some flavorful thing with no narrative context, and then a completely bland piece of narrative material. Like "Yeah I was thrashing over on Westend yesterday, those damn kids were juicin and toxin like the Big One never happened! But yeah, back to the tax returns, I filed them and they should be with the IRS. Can't wait to get back to cyberspace to waste some punks!"

It really opened by eyes to why Neuromancer was so great, Gibson really combines flavor and narrative into one. Same with stuff like Snow Crash and Diamond Age

What's the most alien setting you've seen in fantasy? I don't mean ayy lmaos, just it not being so obvious it's based on a real life historical setting or a mishmash of them.

>>21233615
desu, stormlight or deltora quest

>>21233615
The Dream-Quest of Unknown Kadath or something by Clark Ashton Smith.

>>21233759
>desu
Can't find that one, who's the author?

read cradle

>>21233946
>nigger
Weird way to try to sell it.

>>21233950
Interracial relationships are getting more and more popular everyday. Having two characters of same skin color (wh*te) does not appeal to modern audiences

>>21233998
Lmao, just look how people are shiping the House of the Dragon characters, even Vhagar and aemond is a lot more popular than with the Nigers

I am completely addicted to webnovels with overpowered guys beating the shit out of anything in their way and having beautiful women lusting over them. Self-insert stories are really powerful drugs, normal down to earth books aren't fun anymore.

>>21234041
I have the exact oposite to that, I really enjoy when the MC is scraping to survive and has to give it all just to survive.

>>21234041
you'll get over that eventually.

>>21234041
>I am completely addicted to webnovels with overpowered guys beating the shit out of anything in their way
based
>and having beautiful women lusting over them
cringe, that way leads to cuckoldry

>>21233950
That fan-art is awful which is why he's spamming it. Yerin (the girl) is just as Asian-looking as most everybody else is.

>>21233950
>>21234122
Yerin is cute. Cute!

>>21233759
Read more than only two books and try again

>>21234041
I was 14 once too

>>21234093
This.

>>21234041
Coomer. Your so called addiction to power fantasies and any other based literary choices are completely negated by you being a coombrain.

>>21234122
Nowhere does it say in the books that Yerrin is asian and not black. It is safe to assume given that W. Wight is a modern ny times best selling author that Yerrin is black.

>>21234331
she's half laborgini, it doesn't say anywhere she's not part automobile

Is The Knight of the Swords a good place to start with Moorcock?

>>21234505
Yerrin is black you stinky racist.

>>21234331
There are characters from a continent we know relatively little about that are called out as having dark skin, which Lindon sees as unusual. The only unusual thing Lindon sees about Yerin are her scars. Similarly he sees Eithan's blond hair as unusual.

>>21234041
>I am completely addicted to webnovels with overpowered guys beating the shit out of anything in their way and having beautiful women lusting over them. Self-insert stories are really powerful drugs, normal down to earth books aren't fun anymore.

From age 12 to 18, I read only serious fantasy books and detested any power fantasy or sexual stuff in books, I was only interested in original metaphysical ideas, concepts and philosophy of various characters and factions in fantasy books.

Since I turned 20, I read basically only power fantasies and harem books.

Bros, where did I go wrong. What has happened to me?

>>21234585
You decided to accept who you really are rather than continue the lie of who you thought you ought to be.

>>21234585
You grew up.

>>21234584
Lindon being cool with people with fucking lightning scorpions running up their arms but thinking Eithan's hair is some kinda joke was the main highlight of book 2

>>21233216
>Let the meat take you.
why is everything bakker related so gay

>>21234753
he's canadian

>>21234815
Fair.

>>21233615
Reverend Insanity.

>>21234949
You know, with the gus and all that, plus the amount of weird Immortals than have they own pocket dimension with stuff like cloud grass and other materials for gu making, I don't think you are that off.

Anyone here read the Obsidian Path trilogy? They look really interesting and fun.

>read Chinese webnovel
>literally just Water Margin derivative, with morally gray or black protagonists, massacres, becoming sworn brothers with cannibalistic murderers, but in an explicitly fantasy setting

>>21234949
Aren't all those chinese webnovels just fantasy China with superpowers?

>>21235090
fuck it man every time I see one of these cool fantasy covers I want to write my novel but when I write my novel I realize I can't write for shit

>>21235119
Read LotM, it's the Lord of Rings of chink webnovels

>>21233946
read Ar'Kendrithyst

>>21235367
gesundheit

>>21233615
Shadow Slave
It's an english webnovel with most of its story happening in a dream world. In this dream world there are ruins of temples and cities, but everything else is very weird and unique. I don't really recommend the novel though.

>>21235155
>Aren't all those chinese webnovels just fantasy China with superpowers?
Yes. Except everyone is a one thousand year old murderhobo wizard

>>21235439
I love nearly everything about xianxia in theory and nearly nothing in practice

>>21235155
Yes with exception of Reverend Insanity.

>>21235476
The concept of a setting with immortals running around and them just being NOT that big of a deal because there's even better immortals is fascinating, and I've read... Like... One western xianxia-esque thing that actually handled it decently (so far), and nothing from Chinese stuff. Because despite absurd timeframes in the Chinese WNs and all, nothing seems to really change. It's always the same tech level, always the same people, places, etc.

>>21235476
I quite liked Desolate Era. It's not high literature or anything and the worldbuilding is naruto tier, but it was still an enjoyable read.

>>21235476
>>21235513
>I love nearly everything about xianxia in theory and nearly nothing in practice
I too liked the idea of xianxia but haven't found many I enjoyed. I liked Ze Tian Ji. Not really that much murderhoboing but the power system aspect is well developed. MC stays a genuine underdog for an unusually long while, and when he gets to kick ass it's actually hype and well earned.

Is it weird to think that Cugel is kinda based?
He's a perfect representation of stirnerian character

>>21233615
A Voyage to Arcturus

why did my post get deleted

>>21235679
Because

>>21234585
you stopped being a pseud

You are invited to visit my thread. It's to guide newcomers of Beowulf :)
>>21235718

>>21235599
Cugel is the definition of based. The comparison to Stirner is interesting, but I think what stops Cugel and a lot of Vancian villains from being true Stirnerites is the sheer sense of entitlement and righteousness

I finished listening to Way of Kings. Half of this book could have been cut out and it would make no difference. I imagine myself turning this book into a comedic adventure film. I imagine bridgemen falling into the chasm with the Wilhelm scream and Kaladin and his boys cracking jokes as they kill "Parshendi". Instead we get this self serious pseud nonsense where the end of every chapter has to be some reflection on honor or leadership. The readers for the audio were very good though.

Also fuck Shallan. Her entire story is pointless.

>>21235941
Believe it or not, that's the BEST book in the series.

>>21234585
I became a failure after 18 too

>>21233068
>>21232533
Sell me on Bakker. I have never touched his books.

>>21236263
Edgelord homosexual coomer who constantly rips off Tolkien, inserts gay rape, and passes it off as original.

>>21236267
Now I don't want to read his books.

>>21236263
One cannot raise walls against what has been forgotten.

>>21236276
You shouldn't.

>>21236263
Nigga just read it. Ignore both shills and haters, it's still pretty much the best fantasy to come out in 21 century.

So you can just start a book with two characters having a very stilted conversation about a boring magic system and at least 1000 people will buy it. You know this book might actually be encouraging.

>>21235941
I really liked it. The reflections on honor and leadership were some of the best parts and Dalinar is an amazing character. But I agree, Shallan is revolting and she gets even worse in the later books.

>>21236263
Aliens almost destroyed a fantasy world 2000 years ago
They're about to try again, and the only one who might stop them is a man born from The Shortest Path, an eugenics program which aims to create people with insane deduction/empathy/manipulation skills and zero problem to sacrifice entire nations if it brings the results wanted

>>21235335
Playing devil's advocate, but if you're only going by how cool the cover is you don't know they aren't shit either.

Give yourself a break, anon.

>>21236263
Notchristians declare holy shawarma against notmuslims and gather the entire nation of notRoman Empire for a massive crusade. Unbeknownst to them, they're all being manipulated by notjews and their satanic cult of having sex. While all of that is happening, a small fallout vault that's been closed for 2000 years while cultivating the perfect atheist gigachad sends the last white man on Earth for recon mission. As always, it falls upon they whitey to clean up the mess.

>>21236536
>the entire nation of notRoman Empire
For me, it's more like Alexander's Empire than a Roman one

>>21236602
Based

>>21236602
This or Bakker books, I can't decide which is edgier

Thoughts?

>>21236675
RI isn't that edgy, Fang Yuan doesn't commit atrocities unless is very beneficial to him.

>>21234041
Please recommend something to me because I just finished Senlin Ascends and even thou it is an average book, it really disturbed me- It is generally one of those child-friendly sexless books (strong female characters all around), but in the middle, the protagonist finds out that his wife was doing nude modeling in like day three of their separation. Then she straight up enters sex traffic in some bizarre PG-13 cuckoldry secuence. I am not usually bothered by this, but it came out so unexpectedly. Anyway, please share something that can clear my mind of that.

>>21237017
The Curse of Chalion by Bujold. Classy wholesome fantasy with a couple of tastefully dirty jokes.

>>21236726
i thought it was pretty good, and im interested to see how well it adapts into a limited series whenever that comes out.

>>21234041
these isekais that people sometimes recommend here feel like only people with huge egos can enjoy
it's like they're written for people who competely lack self-awareness

>>21236263
Read this and tell me if that's the kind of literature you find appealing.
Also this guy is a gay atheist Canadian (possible rapist of dogs as well, but not confirmed), and the books illustrate that fact.

Top-tier prose, but I can't visualize half the shit in this book.

>>21236550
Is that just because Conphas is alexander the great, or is there some other reason?

>>21234041
Some webnovels are better than published woke garbage. For example take a look at the top 5 finished novels at royal road

>>21237695
Am I filtering wrong or are you actually retarded? Its either le quirky shit or litrpgs

>>21237664
I don't know, i guess it's more of a feeling i get from the names and general atmosphere, i just envision them more macedonians than romans

Anyone else have literally me moments with Stannis Baratheon?

>>21237830
They’re more Byzantine than roman. Especially considering their dynamic with the holy war

>>21236536
if this is an accurate summary I will actually read bakker

Tolkien art thread :) >>21237929

>>21238112
It is.

>>21238112
>>21238119
It leaves out the oodles of gay rape, pedophilia, and coprophagia, but is otherwise fairly apt

Any good books set in fantasy Africa?

>>21238306
unfortunately the venn diagram for "books set in fantasy africa" and "good books" doesn't overlap

>>21237798
is that top 5 in garbage?

>>21236666
Checked and based.

>>21237798
>those ads

>>21237798
The Perfect Run is pretty good. I mean, not literary or anything. But attention is paid to a guy trapped in a time loop like, for real, where everyone he loves moves forward into death and tragedy while he just waits for it to come around again on the guitar and all. I mean, it's not profound in itself, but it doesn't shirk the profundity of the concept either.

Just finished this. What a waste of time. I expected more out of the setting but it's just the same old garbage. The pacing is also off. He spends a third of the book describing mundane shit.

Bros can you recommend something like Magician by Feist?

>>21238967
>Bros can you recommend something like Magician by Feist?
yes, every mediocre and below mediocre fantasy book released in the last 50 years.

>>21236276
>Bakker

I tried reading book 1 of the Prince of Nothing about 15 years and found it somehow repulsive. I can't really remember why, but it left a bad taste. Never tried to read anything from him again.

>>21236263
Why should anyone here care if you willingly ignore the de facto canon of this general?

Thoughts on the Watch series by Lukyanenko? Figured they would be far more popular but they always stay in the slightly more niche area when it comes to Urban Fantasy which is a shame since I think it has one of the coolest concepts

>>21239038
Garbage

>>21239038
It was uneven. I read it all and don't have any particularly strong memories of it, although some scenes and plot points were interesting. It's decent enough, I think. The ending was weird, but maybe I was just too young at the time to truly get it.

>>21237695
If your tastes are outside the normal isekai and system trash you basically have to ask google about hidden gems, underrated series or series similar to something you like

>>21239184
Not him, I can accept system and number stats as bad and lazy magic system but typical litrpg dungeon is crossing the line, having dungeons in games is fine or whatever but putting then in lit is absolute retard tier decision.

>>21238986
>t. brainlet

>>21238279
>coprophagia
What

Why

how good is wandering inn?

>>21235335
Most fantasy covers don't even contain the depicted scene anyway

Nonvirgin love interests are bad writing and I'm tired of pretending they're not.

>>21239290
Explain

>>21239296
I can't and don't want to relate to a protagonist who would romantically invest in used goods.

>>21239235
Probably that black stuff they were eating when they were doing the slog of slogs.

>>21239264
if you are a woman or a leftist you will love it
otherwise avoid

>>21238306
Rage of Dragons is... Fine. It's not as cool as it SHOULD be. But it's fine.

>>21239339
in what way does it appeal to women and leftists?

>>21239214
I think it depends on implementation. Some stories tend to logically think about what dungeons would really do, and that's a lot more interesting (This Used To Be About Dungeons I've heard is like that), some they're just kind of 'there' and they're an excuse to have a setpiece.

>>21239344
It is very female centric, the mc is female and many themes in the novel are targeted and viewed from female perspective. No straight nonlib man will be interested in something like that.

Name a more based villain, you can't.

>>21236728
The argument can be made that the world of RI itself is pretty edgy, because Fang Yuan acts the way he does to succeed as defined by the world. Fang Yuan himself has basically zero edge because he has zero malice, resentment, or vendetta against anyone, even his greatest foes.

>>21239038
I remember enjoying it but I was also a retarded teenager in the mid 2000s when I read it last. It's hard to make a judgement about it in that sense. Around the time Twilight started to become a thing I was in high school. I was reading Twilight Watch and did a book report presentation about it. It didn't help that it was actually about vampires. I didn't have a clue what Twilight was so it made for a very awkward reaction from the class. Half of them thought I was talking about vampire romance novels.

>>21239299
Not that anon but setting aside the notion that every protagonist should be entirely relatable nothing is going to take me out of a story more than a man with the same values as a 21st century terminally online sociopath

>>21239359
is the author also female?

>>21239384
>The argument can be made that the world of RI itself is pretty edgy, because Fang Yuan acts the way he does to succeed as defined by the world
Same argument can be made for almost any dystopian sff work because almost every one of those worlds falls under edgy category to some degree. RI word is a tough and violent medieval world, but even this world genuinely good characters and forces exist. I wouldn't call that edgy.

>>21236602
cant he just go live in another country and start writing again? he doesnt have money to do that?

>>21239428
It hasn't been confirmed, the writing feels like its done by a female but it could have also be some low test low energy male, some people on /sffg/ claim the author is definitely male but they have no real proof.

>>21239427
Yeah okay bro, I don't see you marrying any crackwhores from the street mister open minded empath.

>>21239442
I personally think he doesn't have a good and fitting ending and he would rather leave it unfinished than ruin it with crappy ending.
I don't even believe the ban really happened.

>>21239442
Chinese literally keep tabs and snitch on each other outside of China (most mainland chinese who get to leave are also well-connected rich man's kids), there's Chinese security service "police stations" and it's usually their family back in Mainland China who end up getting threatened over it.

>>21239483
what do you mean keep tabs, snitch, they cant just leave? buy a ticket and leave, wtf they gonna do, kill him?

>>21239429
It really depends on what people mean by edgy. People might argue the bear eating the girl was edgy but ignore how happy the bear was to eat the girl.

>>21239516
Gulag his entire family.

>>21239516
First of all no, mainland Chinese need an exit visa which non-connected people are less and less likely to get.
Secondly, the service people do actually manhandle chinese people abroad but the common issues are other mainland chinese, for example from the confucius institutes which are thinly-veiled state apparatus at universities in the west, will tell on them to their local and state agents back in China.
The Chinese will then contact them, often by entering their parents home and calling from that line as a threat, and making it clear they're to stop talking bad about China or even ordering them to move back to mainland China or else.
Some of them do it online as well. Chinese accounts on western social media sites that can be tied to particular chinese people will get similar threats.

>>21239553
I got eaten by a bear recently, I was pretty bummed out about it.
But I think the bear that ate me was happier to eat me than I was sad to be eaten.
So whatever.

>>21239553
yes, people misuse meanings of internet words on purpose.
I don't know if bear eating that girl was edgy or not (because frankly I am also not sure what exactly edgy means) but animal attacks happen all the time irl, people get mauled by wild (and not so wild) animal almost daily.

>>21239643
The point isn't utilitarian, it's that the bear eating the girl was simply following its nature (or dao) so assigning moral values to the event (and Fang Yuan who caused it) is absurd.

>>21239267
The cover of Iron Prince is the final fight and spoils his last minute powerup

>>21239832
What in the fuck is this

>>21239685
people get raped and murdered all the time too but if your entire work consists of nothing but rape and murder people are going to call it edgy

>>21239844
Law and order SVU is edgy?

>>21239832
this cover is horrible

>>21239832
I fucking hate when MCs get an ability/equipment set that's built to look good in cover art.

I wish i could read I Shall Seal the Heavens again for the first time....... my loot goblin mc.......

>>21239900
The book isn't much better. It's a mediocre 800 page slog of nothing really happening except the protagonist's numbers going up and then he beats a bully and the book ends. There's a lot of stuff that COULD have been cool to see, like the oft-referenced war against hyper-adaptive aliens that they just kind of exists as set-dressing. I'll give it props for having a bi woman actually get with a man, I guess.

now that we talking about covers, wtf is this Defiance of the fall book 7 cover? look at the arm

>>21239924
>book makes constant references to her lesbian relationship
>she ends up with the chud bully
BASED

>>21239442
>>21239471
He said he'll finish it after the current story is done.
Unfortunately it's shit, which both means the wait will be awful and that I'm not sure he's got the ability to finish writing it anymore. Classic "get married, have kids, lose all artistic ability" story.

>>21239929
The covers went on a downhill slide ever since they started trying to actually depict Zac as anything more than just a figure for scale.

>>21239924
Sounds like DotF.

>>21239930
It's a weird development, like it feels like something you'd at least establish that he's not that shitty or something, but every on-screen interaction he has up until he's beaten is pretty much just him being a dick and then he's just... Vegeta I guess.

>>21239930
The 'relationships' are silly, even the platonic ones. Lucky for MC that he meets friends to protect his crippled ass and gets with the affluent prodigy girl who can beat anyone.

>>21239949
I read DotF up to... I can't remember, book 4 I think? I dropped it, because I just did not give a fuck about Zac. The author can't write GREAT characters, but he can at least write interesting or entertaining ones, and he chooses to do none of that with Zac. The worldbuilding and such was neat, but very tell-don't-show which felt a bit limp, and as is the case with most of these system apocalypse things there's no real overarching plot, it's just kind of 'things keep happening I guess'.

>>21239930
>>21239924
Isn't a bisexual getting with a guy just a more progressive-pandering vanilla heroine in the end?

>>21239968
It lets the author appease their fetish for lesbians, reinforce tradcon stereotypes AND pander for wokebux. It's a win-win-win.

>>21239929
Its funny how you can tell litrpgs apart from their cover alone. Without even clicking on the image I knew it was from some shitrpg

>>21239965
Interesting characters plural is a stretch. There is one(1) entertaining character in DotF: Ogras. Billy was good for about 2 appearances.

>all these hidden posts
Is moogy having a melty today?

>>21239968
It's hard to really portray a bisexual character as such unless they have multiple lovers, which tends to be a thing I've seen a few times, bi characters will just have a bunch of one-off lovers that show up for a scene or two and then disappear, but that said you can have a bi character just enter a straight relationship. Bi often just means "basically gay" for characters that wind up in a proper relationship most of the time, so it's kinda refreshing.

>>21239983
Zoomers are just spamming the thread so it can be on the front page, which is depressing since the thread was going really well with how slow and comfy it was.

>>21239983
No, just zoomers.

>>21239979
Yeah those two were basically the ones I was referring to. Billy was entertaining, Ogras was... Kind of interesting. Some one-offs were fun, too, like Average. But Zac manages to be the bottom of the barrel, which the fucking protagonist shouldn't be.

really no one cares about thread being on the frong page

this is some bullshit boomers say to avoid thinking for even one sec, that maybe people are talking about what they like

muuhhh comfy thread = boring circle jerk of niggers talking about what i like

>>21240037
2016 or 2019, ESL?

>>21239995
Billy, Zac, and Ogras basically formed the IQ curve meme on their own.
>Billy: Haha thwomp aliens get money.
>Zac: ALIENS ARE MESSING UP THE PLANET AND I'M HAVING INTERPERSONAL RELATIONSHIP PROBLEMS NOOOOOO.
>Ogras: Kill stuff to get rich or we all die.
The problem is Zac's uninteresting midwit problems take up way too much pagetime, and combat kit stopped evolving in any interesting way on top of it. Redeemer plot was dumb. Science alien mom plot was dumb. Having a moralfag protag in a murderverse is dumb.

>>21240073
stop posting, im trying to enjoy my comfy and slow thread :)

what's next for me? Use of Weapons by Banks, Embassytown by Mieville, finish out Dune (Heretics + Chapterhouse), Three Body Problem by Cixin..

>>21240085
2016 or 2019, ESL?

Since it’s extremely obvious that the zoomer are just going to spam until the bump limit because they mentally ill faggots, how do we deal with them.

>>21237393
This would be good without all the umlauts and only half as many made-up names.

>>21240093
There's nothing we can do, three hours ago, the thread was at like 105 posts, now we're about to reach 200. No point.

>>21240091
>>21240093
you guys ruinning my slow and comfy thread, please leave :)

bakker chads please remove them

>>21239990
> Zoomers are just spamming the thread so it can be on the front page
Sad really, the thread was doing alright. Even thought it would last more than two days, don’t know why they do this shit.

>>21240105
If you're going to spam, just do it, you already ruin the thread.

Bros, who's your favorite fantasy MC? I often feel like the main character of most fantasy books is either boring or unlikable so making one that is actually likable and interesting is an achievement.

I don't know if he is my #1 favorite, but for me, Rand Al'Thor comes to mind. I really enjoyed his development.

>>21240037
They're redditors with an inferiority complex toward the rest of the board and thus terrified of the thread having any exposure.

And done. 10/10 it's okay.

My enjoyment was bogged down a lot by just how frequently my suspension of disbelief was stretched by the concept of the twin cities and breach. Many details are quite well thought out but for me that doesn't absolve just how shaky the foundation is. I suspect that Mieville is the kind of writer that doesn't like to fall back on magic to explain things. I'd be okay with that if the cities were a metaphor for a broader concept, but none is explored, it's just a novel idea. I'm also not a fan of the reveal for just how mundane it is, and the amount of exposition required to explain Bowden's involvement is clumsy.

Despite that I quite like the way that Mieville writes. The narrative is well paced and his dialogues read quite naturally, with a lot being left to infer.

>>21240098
>Implying they won’t reach the bump limit.
They’ll brute force it. Just watch. They’re that mentally fucked up.

Reading Hyperion AGAIN and enjoying my slow and comfy thread, wish you guys are enjoying this comfy time like i am :)

>>21240124
Should have saved it for the next thread, to be honest.

>>21240127
That’s nice, keep on spamming, this thread is about to reach page 2.

>>21240118
i really like Meng Hao from ISSTH, my loot goblin king....

what wuxia/xianxia/xuanhuan novel has the best world building?

>>21240121
>muhh thread front page

never saw this type of mentall illness in any other board

Is the Dandelion Dynasty any good?

>>21240118
>Bros, who's your favorite fantasy MC?
Has anybody written Hitler as a fantasy MC?

>>21240142
I Shall Seal the Heavens.

Is it just me or does anyone else find it hard to get started reading? Every time I want to start I put it off.

How do you guys break in your books?

how good is wandering inn?

abb is such an awful site. anyone got something else for audiobooks?
my tightass student budget wont allow me to pay for an audible sub.

I am reading Cradle.

>>21240157
just keep reading, read the same page/sentence multiple times if necessary, i have horrible problem with focus, sometimes i need to read a page 4-5x bc i cant focus on what im reading and get easily distracted with my own thoughts, but after i can focus again i can read for hours

Wuxia>>>>Xianxia.

>>21240150
looks good and book 1 costs basically nothing rn, im buying to see how it is

>>21240157
Only time I read is when I'm out with the tent in the summer. Too many distractions when I'm at home.

Scorio, where is your sequel?!

>if the MC does and likes X that means the reader wants or advocates X in real life

So, I wanna read RI eventually, but I’ve read that it’s good because it subverts genre expectations of xianxia. Thusly, I think it makes sense to start with the very best of regular xianxia, in order to have these expectations in the first place. I’ve read in some forums that coiled dragon as well as renegade immortal are a good start, but I wanted to get the opinion of my good friends here at /sffg/ first. Thanks in advance

Desolate Era be like
>ayo dis nigga died to a BUG LMAOOOOOOOO
for no less than half (800 chapters?) of its length
Stellar Transformation be like
>unlock the final level of the ~Pagoda thing~
>I don't even need this slow time x100 training area
>have it, my vassals and peons!
>vassals and peons be like :OOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO

Any other trashlit powerfantasy books like cradle? I bit the bullet and it's a decent guilty pleasure. I can't deal with any system apocalypse stuff though, I hate game themed stuff.

Good lord, all because zoomers were called out for spamming.

>>21240220
OH.
So this is copying past posts from the archive. That explains a lot.

What are some adventure-y type books with a focus on the mc and his adventures exploring a cool world?

>>21240220
>vassals and peons
The second fastest way to ruin any fantasy story is subordinates. The first is, of course, romance.

Why are all the gamelit recommendations in the mega erotic porn novels.

>>21240234
I Shall seal the heavens books 1-10

>>21240224
The problem with the game theme stuff is that nobody writes it well. None of the writers get how games work, they think you just take fantasy character archetypes and express them via menu popups.

Any fellow Xianxia scholars? I would be grateful if you could share any tip or pointers on the great path of cultivation.

What's the name for that genre of chinkshit with an invincible main character where the entire story is a series of epic moments where everyone reveals they're secretly more badass than all the previously revealed badasses?

>>21240240
Probably the high online writer concentration, as a huge portion of online writing over the years has been erotica.

wuxia/xianxia fox spirit kino?

Lord of Mysteries is a good xianxia with great worldbuilding and a satisfying power system. Its the only xianxia worth reading really.

Lord of the Mysteries is the by far the best webnovel/serial ever-written in the history of mankind.

>>21240275
>satisfying power system
"o my divination"

Reading Unsouled was like consuming three loaves of white bread with mustard on it, the mustard being the god tripping scene.

The minimod's throwing a tantrum over people actually talking about something other than depreciated westoidshit again.

>>21240173
IRC, mobilism, private torrent trackers, private forums, and a public site that said it was only going to be down for a bit but never had came back. I don't listen to them, so I don't really know.

So i tried reading some of The Wandering Inn after seeing people talk about it on here, but I have only made about 1/3 of the way through vol 1 and I'm having trouble.
The main problem is the story is so female gazed it's giving me brain damage. DOes it get any better?

>>21240175
Me too.

>>21240286
Zoomers will zoom, they ruin this thread and they'll ruin the next one. That's how they operate.

Just finished the first book of DCC. The humor in this is really trash.

>>21240175
>>21240295
Is the combat any good?

>>21240286
It likely being a (GPT?) bot and copypasting old posts does answer some questions. It is depressing how there does seem to be nowhere even tolerable, much less decent, to discuss books.

What is the best Xianxia with system autism.

>>21240310
It gets worse. It's a shame because I like the MC's fighting style, but the writing is insufferable. The characters regress in the 2nd volume.

>>21240329
Isn't it all Daoism?

>>21240326
>Zoomers get called out for spamming
>They get mad and start spamming even more
It's that simple, I don't know where you get a bot. Just scroll up the thread.

>>21236536
Kwisatz Haderach learns actual magic

>>21240337
I'm operating under the presumption that its one shitposter under multiple IPs.

>>21240352
Except the IP never increased. It's the zoomers throwing a tantrum because they were called out.

>>21240094
To be completely honest the audiobook narrated by David Devries is the best way to experience this book because you dont get tripped up by the RETARDED spelling in this book.

>>21240336
Most xianxia are actually extremely un-daoist, with RI being one of the exceptions.

Just read Arrogant Young Master Template A Variation 4. What are the best xianxia with blue screen system? High levels of system autism is preferred.

>>21240291
oh yeah, mobilism is a thing. It's slightly more bearable because the search function actually works, but those filesharing sites and the endless hoops they have you jump through is just.
big up for ABB having a torrent link. it's just so convenient.

>>21240326
One dude screeching autistically in the background is still better than what goes on on the more active boards.

so is this "unsouled" by will wight the "cradle' that you guys always reference? I think I'll bite the bullet and see what all the hype is about

>>21240356
Yes. It doesn't have to be a +1 every time to post from a different source.

>>21240356
>>21240380
Are we sure it’s even one zoomer? Not just multiple? Another anon mention that the thread was like 105 before they started spamming, this just could be an extension of that.

>>21240368
That's why you use a download manager for mobilism that bypasses all of the filesharing site hoops. Personally I use the ad-free version of jdownloader 2. There are a lot of options though.

3/4 of the way through The Wandering Inn #1 and the Ryoka chapters are absolutely fucking miserable to get through. Not sure why the author would split narrative focus and squander so much good will with Erin's story to instead focus on this uninteresting slag who's miraculously good at everything and loved by everyone while being an insipid cunt. Someone please reassure me that she either DIES or improves as a person, because I've watched her learn a lesson about friendship twice now and it's already gotten old.

>>21240386
I think it was b*spammer but we had one shitposter get banned near the end of a thread, maybe two months ago? and something like 78 posts were deleted in the process

>>21240386
I'm very convinced it's you doing this so you can go "LOOK THE ZOOMERS ARE SPAMMING WHAT THE FUCK".

How did cultivation of all things become so popular among western web novelists anyway? What was the defining work?

>>21240386
>Are we sure it’s even one zoomer? Not just multiple?
Could be they just dropped the pretenses. And just started spamming relentlessly. It is in their nature to do that. They do get mad whenever they get called out, so who knows.

I understand LitRPGs are popular because video games, but why is xianxia popular?

>>21240414
LitRPG read more like they're made for the critical role audience than video game players, in my opinion.

>>21240414
Video games and power fantasies are also popular (and in extremely high demand as escapism) in capitalist China.

>>21240403
It's proto litrp, which just makes actual litrpg even more retarded and lazy because at least chinkshit has cultivation as a natural cohesive element of the setting.

>>21240419
I don't think capitalist china is very good at reading english web novels.

How to Survive at the Academy is a below average korean web novel.

>>21240194
Hey, this is my post but I didn't post this

Can anyone recommend me some great Wuxia or Xianxia books? preferably things I can get physically in English I've always wanted to get into these genre's

>>21240429
While I agree that litRPG settings are on average shittier, the concept is at least a little more original than badly ripping off China wholesale.

>>21240371
It is. Don't expect anything mind blowing, but it is a fun, competently executed action series with a cast of well realized and likeable characters. It's generally well paced aside from a bit of a minor drag in books 2 and 9, and doesn't overstay its welcome like most western authors do. The books average something like 250-300 pages.

>>21240441
Read A Thousand Li, it's the best introduction to the genre imo.

>>21240442
Depends, DotF is like a bastard amalgamation of korean, isekai, and cultivation tropes.

>>21240450
>https://www.goodreads.com/book/show/61336761-the-third-realm
>All this negative ratings for his next book before it even releases because reddit is mad at him
kek

>>21240439
>>21240233

>>21240439
It's probably a spambot. The "zoomers are spamming" guy probably set it up because... Shitter.

After five months of daily reading, I finally finished volume 3 of The Wandering Inn.

10 volumes to go.

>Zoomers are trying to deflect by blaming others.

>>21240464
What makes more sense? A sudden influx of "zoomers" spamming because you complained about it, or a spambot regurgitating old posts (I recognise one of my own, in fact) because you're a shitter?

>>21240442
Original doesn't mean good. At least the standard xiaxia setting is based on a highly popular and well known set of real historical mythology and society. It's the equivalent of LotR clones, somewhat generic but only because the original was really good.
Litrpg COULD have this, but it would need someone to write an actually good setting first that people wanted to copy. It's got it's vague arcade/mmo feeling, but the setting is always very uninteresting and there's no videogame equivalent of religion, philosophy, politics, etc... so nothing really has any meaning or intent behind it, stuff just happens for no reason, like in a videogame.
Fantasy has lord of the rings, xiaxia has journey to the west, litrpg has dragonquest. Not exactly a fair fight.

Like honestly take any litrpg and just put it into a xiaxia setting and it'd automatically work better and make more sense. Even DnD fanfiction functions better because of it's tight ties to lotr.

>>21240470
A sudden influx of zoomers, and stop trying to pin this shit on me, you mentally sick fuck. None of the post are mine. The least you can do is not deflect when people call you out.

>>21240478
LitRPGs aren't... Really emulating video games, even the ones that explicitly are video games (VRMMO shit), they're more easy to read as emulating TTRPGs. I think you're also sort of pigeonholing a 'setting' to LitRPG when there really isn't a default one.

>>21240481
>Fullscreen 4chan
Why do people do this

>>21240481
>He says, deflecting

>>21240481
>The least you can do is not deflect
They won’t. And they’ll do this shit in the next thread. That’s how they do things.

Might I suggest The Wandering Inn?

>>21240456
He, quite literally, copyrighted the term "system apocalypse", despite not being the first nor the highest seller or most popular author regarding the genre. Of course, any time I brought this up in the thread, newfags--much like the one(s) ITT and whom could be said to be the same--shut down any and all actual book discussion.

>>21240461
5 mounths?
wtf

>>21240482
I'm saying they're shit BECAUSE they don't have a standard setting. Standard setting == there was at least one amazingly popular standout story that everyone afterwards is imitating. No standard setting == there's nothing but mediocrity and shit.
And most litrpg is blatantly copying videogames, specifically dragonquest. Western litrpg is a little different, more ttrpg than rpg, but still fairly heavy into videogames. Th issue is that a genre being based on "videogames" or "ttrpgs" is like saying the setting in your novel is based on "literature" or "geography". It's so broad and shallow it's meaningless. Might as well say the present moment is "based on history".

>>21240478
I have a similar outlook. It's an interesting concept but nobody has actually refined it into a coherent form yet, they're generally just taking random existing tropes and sticking menus with numbers onto them.

>>21240506
Sounds like something he'd get taken to copyright court over and losing if it ever ended up mattering. It probably won't because system apocalypse is a crap term for a crap idea.

>>21240506
What author used the term "System Apocalypse" to describe the genre before he did?

>>21240553
No, it's legit. He's had more than one book series with "system apocalypse" in the title removed from Amazon. He originally made an April Fool's post about this like 3 years ago then copyrighted later that year lol

>>21240390
jdownloader worked swimmingly
thanks

>>21240562
>japanese isekai
>Japanese person from humble beginnings meets their untimely end on earth, is brought to a new world and probably given some kind of divine mission directly by god, or just told to have a good time. They proceed to their new world and build a new life for themselves as best they can.

>system apocalypse
>human civilization gets instagibbed by a malicious unfeeling machine god, protagonist now hates god and the universe and spends 10 books lashing out at everything for being inferior to his infallible middle class american values and lifestyle despite them vanishing like a fart in the wind in the first chapter

It's interesting how two radically different takes on pretty much the same concept can say so much about the demographics involved.

ghetto board for web """"novels"""" when?

>>21240226
>Good lord, all because zoomers were called out for spamming.
It is what it is, there’s no helping it at this point. At least we now know that they are willing to torch /sffg/ to the ground then let it slow down for even a second or let it go to the second or third page. Makes you wonder why they don’t just make their own general at this point.

Crybaby minimod general when

>>21240631
>implying he can keep a general alive with only one person

>>21240621
Sadly, never.

>>21240621
people discussing one type of book doesn't prevent you from discussing books you're interested in. you wasting posts whining is more detrimental to the thread

>>21240675
Your spam posts says otherwise

>>21240675
>wasting posts
The only thing he's detrimental to is the quality of his own retirement lol

In "Malice" a teenager who works as an apprentice can only do one pull-up. How the fuck is it possible for the author to be that out of touch with what the average person is capable of?

Just finished this. Really not sure if I want to continue or not. I'm not sure if it's just me or what but it felt pretty meandering. Do the rest of the books improve?

>>21240693
>Do the rest of the books improve?
Have you tried reading them?

>>21240693
If you don't like it then don't read it.

>>21240689
What is he an epprentice for?
That changes whether it's believable

>The only good western webnovel
>On hiatus for almost two years
Why am i cursed like this?

>>21240697
>>21240698
Control your autism. If you have nothing to say don't fucking post.

>>21240699
Blacksmith, sorry I thought I wrote it. Also no it really doesn't, I could easily do 10 pullups at 13 and all I did was masturbate and play games when I got home from school

>>21236602
I only first heard about this recently and know nothing about webnovels and whatever subculture accompanies them. Is this a good one to start with? Qrd on the culture in general? I've tried watching videos and reading about it but half the shit I run across might as well be in Mandarin even when its in English.

>>21240715
Reverend Insanity is on a tier of its own but again if you just want to dip your toes in the genre read The First Step (A Thousand Li #1), the series is practically designed as a xianxia tutorial

So happy the thread is slow and comfy :) i gonna read The Hobbit again :)

>>21240715
People read foreign WNs mostly looking for a change of pace. Depending on if you're reading western, japanese, chinese, or korean there's usually a different set of attitudes, themes, and tropes accompanying each. It helps if you're craving some novelty to the point of being willing to ignore quality to an extent, both because WNs tend to be amateurish and TLs tend to be shit.

RI is just different to the point that it can practically be considered a freak accident within chinese stuff, so background research on other xianxia WNs is both helpful and unhelpful to it.

>>21240742
Man, you must be really seething that people called you out for all that spam.

>>21240754
not even me, that makes this even more delicious :)

Where would I publish a series of slow, dialogue-heavy short stories based on the premise that interstellar travel by beings like humans is almost never possible?

>>21240781
>Where would I
You ask the writing general, the general that helps aspiring writers >>21231584

>>21240719
Thanks for the rec, although looking at A Thousand Li it doesn't look like something I'd want to commit that much time to compared to RI.
>>21240743
I definitely get the amateurish quality/bad translation issue in my cursory googling of foreign WNs. I think some basic research into xianxia and then just getting into RI would probably be best; not to bash it but I'm not sure if the genre as a whole has much draw for me beyond the specific one seems like somewhat of a freak accident in terms of its influence and how kino it sounds/hopefully is. Is the translation at least decent for it?

>>21240799
I'm somewhat picky and I found the TL generally serviceable. Depending on where you get it though I think there may or may not be TL notes available, and there's also a shitty MTL version on some sites.

Does Reverend Insanity have any type of ending before china banned or is just like the story was mid arc and the ban happened and next chapter never came?

>>21240817
i was thinking about reading but i dont want to read something that just ends mid fight or mid story without having any type of ending, just nothing, no next chapter

>>21240817
>>21240821
it ends on a cliffhanger

reread the novels extra again. Man the first few parts are great but the tower and endless drama over the retarded girl's brother dying really fucked the latter half

hard to believe that three hours ago, the thread was around 160 posts.

>>21240817
>>21240821
In ends mid arc in what is considered to be pretty late in the story. It's still well worth it because it isn't the type of story where the satisfaction is dependent on the final resolution. MC could have just instantly died instead of the story suddenly stopping and I would still be glad I'd read it.

>>21240710
fuck you you're not my dad

>>21240843
Yeah, but the zoomers will stop posting now that the bump limit has been reached and the thread can no longer be on the front page.

>>21240843
hard to believe a ''man'' 30+ years old would sit and keep watching a thread just to make sure it wont go faster, just blows my mind someone would be such a loser.

>>21240858
Brush your teeth and go to bed before I get the belt.

>>21240860
was thinking about this last week, cant believe theres people out there caring about how faster or slow the thread is moving

>>21240859
I doubt it, but I like your optimism.

>>21240860
You don't have to describe yourself like that, you can still change for the better. Weaned yourself from the internet, especially tiktok, or whatever social media you use. They're a poison on your mind.

>>21240870
thats a new level of copium and projection

>>21240876
It's not cope, I've seen people actually start using the internet less. Some of them around your age zoomer, if they can do it, so can you. You just got to believe in yourself and have self-control.

Now answer me this, adventurer of the /sffg/ kingdom.

Whats worse, to be a young zoomer with a lot of life ahead, posting on a /lit/ thread making the thread go faster, or a boomer that will die soon, alone and pathetic, wasting his precious time making sure the /lit/ thread wont go faster? The young fool that posts or the old fool that cares about meaningless things and controls the time?

>>21240891
>Whats worse
The bakkerfag

>>21240886
bro, its midnight and you caring about a 4chan thread, who are you to talk about using the internet less? stop projecting ur problems on imaginary people, seek help my brother

>>21240899
You don't have to react so hostile, not trying to insult you nor belittle you.

>>21240886
He’s not going to change, he’s going to keep on spamming, it’s pointless to try and help him. Guy spammed this thread to the bump limit and will most likely do it again if people piss him off.

>>21240917
>someone calls me a retard
>HA!! MUST BE SAMEFAG

you can tag me in every post and i will gladly show my (you) result, i didnt spam this thread, but it is pathetic to be old and care about internet bullshit, u are here crying about thread going faster bro, can you wake the fuck up, im sure theres way more important things to waste time than this

>>21240899
>You don't have to react so hostile
jesus, not gonna even waste my time anymore
im going to sleep btw, keep having a meltie about the same person spamming this dead general thinking it was just one guy, the hacker known as 4chan

>>21240929
Is this pathological positivity?

ONLY SPEAK OF GOOD THINGS AND HAPPY THOUGHTS

>>21240944
toxic positivity

>>21238834
Main character says references out loud in an approximation of "comedy". Got to the third chapter where he asks Luigi if he knew mario and had to stop.

>>21240995
still better than dungeon crawler carl

>>21240693
I've only read the first book so far and I completely agree it's meandering. I liked that though in this case. It's not really slice of life, but it's adjacent. I'll have more to say in the next thread.

>>21240152
Chuds do

>>21240840
My man! I totally agree with you. It iss shame that good web novels dont know when to stop and devolve into shit.

>>21240817
It's very episodic, you won't even learn about any of the things left hanging unfinished until like 100 chapters before the end.

>>21240693
Yes, but it's still dreamlike.
If you didn't enjoy the first I don't think you'll like the rest

>>21240482
>LitRPGs aren't... Really emulating video games
They are to the point where authors don't even try to write literature but just copy game script and events and present it as literature.

New thread
>>21241541

>>21239945
Kek probably turned into a coomer and a moralfag

>>21239457
>>21239264
>how good is wandering inn?
It's a very good attempt at an Epic Fantasy story sa a webnovel, with monumental ambition to tell stories of dozens of people in a ancient and large fantasy world.

The common misconception is that the author is female, which is just a sign of overdosing on 4chan, because male authors tend to do female protagonists these days. But the female characters in TWI are written well -- as in there are likable, which astounds anons who can't concieve that -- so people think the author is female too, even though it is blatantly obvious that the author's interests, mindset and writing style is as 'male american in his 30s' as it gets.

Not to mention his name is Noah James, as was leaked by a shop he was selling his comic at.

These are not women written wy women for women, these are women written by a man, which makes them compelling to men. A typical occurrence in fantasy genre.


The story might appear 'leftists' if you are utterly clueless /pol/tard, otherwise it's quite clear the author is a typical liberal with a touch of social conservatism.

New thread
>>21241565

>>21241534
>>21240526
>'m saying they're shit BECAUSE they don't have a standard setting. Standard setting == there was at least one amazingly popular standout story that everyone afterwards is imitating. No standard setting == there's nothing but mediocrity and shit.
>And most litrpg is blatantly copying videogames, specifically dragonquest. Western litrpg is a little different, more ttrpg than rpg, but still fairly heavy into videogames. Th issue is that a genre being based on "videogames" or "ttrpgs" is like saying the setting in your novel is based on "literature" or "geography". It's so broad and shallow it's meaningless. Might as well say the present moment is "based on history".

Many words for saying 'I don't know a second thing about Litrpgs.' It's comical how you retards race each other for worse take on the genre. I guess you might have missed it, but there's this niche story no one ever talks about -- The Wandering Inn. Of course no one mentions it, and other authors definitely don't steal ideas, mechanics, themes and setting ideas from it. Nope, new Litrpgs definitely don't have a lot of it in their literary genetic code, not at all.

I guess the basic ideas set up by Azarinth Healer are also just a coincidence, it's not as if almost every tryhard Litrpg copies it as hard as possible in a mad attempt to be successful.

>>21241595
I don't read womens fiction or suposedly women protags written by some feminine fag.

New thread
>>21241610

>>21241595
The fact that you mentioned TWO settings means they're both shit.

New thread
>>21241657

>>21241660
Why is the janny deleting new threads when this has reached page 10? Idk what is their rationale