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Asking >>21231568 in the new thread. Does anyone know where I can study historical clothing? I guess I'm retarded but I thought men wore the precursors to suits until you go back to like the 1700s and I didn't realize women had a million layers on all the time. Like, I get hooking up wasn't a thing but how the hell did my great great great grandfather get those things open?

drunk schizophrenic outsider poetryfag back at it again with another mediocre thing.

https://pastebin.com/09WCMnpy

>>21231598
>help me do basic research
attend university.
>>21231603
first part reads like rap lyrics
second part incel diary

>>21231659
in hindsight the first part could totally be like an ICP intro

>>21231659
Academicniggers are literally the dumbest people on the planet.
>>21231603
It's good. He's the type of idiot who only thinks something's good if his professor told him it was, and his professor only said that because that's what his professor told him.
He wouldn't get it.
Aesthetically you could use practice, as everyone could, but you have the raw seed of perspective and meaning. Plant it and let it grow.

>getting back into what i had only been working on for 2 months (mainly research) after 2 month break
>forget everything
>notes file is 25,000 words
>all still just initial research
fuck me historical is a bitch. it's like trying to assemble a giant jigsaw puzzle in full detail all in your head. i want to have the final copy in my hands by june though.

>>21231726
>My notes are 25,000 words
Nigger what the fuck are you doing??? Notes are supposed to be supplementary, a general outline for where you want to take your story and characters. They're supposed to help you remember key details, if you even need help remembering in the first place. Why are you still in the "research" phase? It sounds like you're just dicking around.
>Captcha: MOOMY

Has anyone used Manuscript Wishlist? Did you find an editor or agent from it?

I feel like all I see is womeme looking for (POC) womeme stories.

>>21231726
Yeah and then if you forget one thing from all those notes when writing or didn't compile enough obscure info then historyfags say your book is irredeemable shit and stamp it with "inaccurate".

Does teenage romantic smut really sell? The plan is slutty teen fucks an immortal demon over summer, and the demon happens to be her teacher as well. But with her pussy, the demon shall be tamed.

There the man stood --- Jenna's summer love. Two months prior where Jenna allowed her body to be touched, and her hands to touched his. A memory that would always be with her and a bliss she yearned to experience again. But it was supposed to be a fantasy left in her young mind, not a haunting reality where she'll be encased for the entire year. The man she fell in love with under the hot sun just walked in, not as her lover, but instead as her teacher.

>>21231783
it's historical. basically i'm doing the self-study equivalent of taking a grad course on a certain era of histroy. hence the notes.
>>21231817
they're brutal, man. history attracts such bitter, egoistic autists it's unreal. but whereas fantasy is a saturated genre because the bar for entry is on the ground, not many people can write historical, so i feel my chances are better even if it's more upfront work. and history is broad and vast with plenty of fresh pickings. idk how fantasyfags can work, all their shit has already been done thousands of times.

>>21231838
Historical fiction is really fun to write. That said depending on the scope of your history, you either need very little research or tons of it.

A world War 1 story would take way more research than a summer love in '69.

>>21231833
>Does teenage romantic smut really sell?
I would imagine no considering that would be written form cheese pizza in many places and could get you arrested.

>>21231838
>idk how fantasyfags can work, all their shit has already been done thousands of times.
Every story has. Don't let it hold ya back.

>>21231584
Question. Why isn't there a sense of panic and worry about ai generated text. Like there is art communities about ai generated art?

>>21231847
oh that's easy to age up to college and "professors". and wasn't twilight a teenage groomer sex fantasy?

Fuck it, werewolves it is.

>>21231859
*rapist werewolves if you want to really sell.

>>21231856
Because nobody here writes.

>>21231856
I write for fun. AI pushing out the amazon crowd doesn't bother me at all.

>>21231856
I think that's more an indication of how shitty and bland and soulless most people's art is that they're worried they can be easily replaced by an AI.

Lots of authors are using AI generated cover images for their manuscripts. Are artists using AI generated manuscripts for their artwork? No? Probably because the technology literally isn't useful even to write the most bottom of the barrel erotica shit.

>>21231856
literature is a lot more difficult to replicate. it demands consistency and logical consequence. an ai picture is just smashing together a variety of source pictures and connecting things by grouped hexadecimal tone chunks. it frequently comes up with weird insensible garbage. reading an entire book of that shit would be frustrating.

my god why don't you scienceism fags just kill yourselves already. first we had to endure 20 years of "your job will be automated away! 2 more years for real this time!" now you're going on with AI replacing all art and literature. the retard shit can't even get me relevant google searches and you think it will be shitting out shakespeare by next year.

never post here again. worry less about science and more about God, for the one is illusionary and the other an eternal truth.

>>21231856
/lit/ isn't stupid. Also most of us pretend to read and write so we don't care about what ai shits out

>>21230396
where this dude? only interesting premise itt

What does this seem like it is building up to?

Is a hook really that necessary?

What suggestions does /lit/ have for writing branching stories? I'm writing a plot for my game (inferior medium and shit, I know) and it's going to have some branches in the story and some dialogues. Is there anything I should know?

>>21231584
1k today.
Further alluded to more elvin derriere's
T'was a good day.

>>21232189
UNORIGINAL PROSE STEALER!
I have long since completed my plumbing of elvan bootay's.
Now i've entered the realm of spanish accented aliens.

Any good exercises for generating ideas and fleshing them out? Been a bit stuck lately.

>>21232472
No

>>21231917
Blessed work, brother

>>21232472
Think what you need for the story, or what interests you. Then start throwind wadjacent concepts and ideas at it and look what sticks. When you have two or three complementary ideas, just rub them against each other and see what gives.

>>21231925
That just sounds like Contempt

>>21232472
Take notes on your stream of consciousness, without concern for the quality of what you're getting out.
Communicating with the outside world seems to free up space for new ideas.
Eventually, you'll make space for quality to happen.
>>21232592
Your posts are of literally no value.

I've got an idea for an open-source literary setting.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eiF-OoM582Q

>>21232838
That's the quitest video on youtube. I can't hear shit, even on max volume.

>>21231856
AI will only replace smut and maybe smutty romance novels where standards are low and algorithms already exist. Also, prose isn't like illustration where you can take one look at it and know something is off. An AI writer might be able to shit out a thousand, 300 page novels a second, but a human being is going to have to read through them to see if they're any good, and most people don't find it appealing to be a slush reader for a computer. AI text adventures are more reasonable than AI generated novels, so unless you're making a text adventure, or you write porn for commission, you don't have anything to worry about in regards to AI.

What's a phrase for constantly changing directions/making a lot of turns while taking someone to a destination, or a path with a lot of corner turns?

>>21233393
Zig zagging or snaking

>>21231898
>I think that's more an indication of how shitty and bland and soulless most people's art is that they're worried they can be easily replaced by an AI.
The real worry shouldn't be that you'll get replaced but that you won't even get discovered - if AI can one day manage to write competently, the market will be flooded by a tsunami of AI generated novels and human writers will be a rarity. With that said, I think it'll take much longer for us to get to the point where AI can write competently - artists are first on the chopping block. Us writers probably have a couple more decades at least.
>>21232133
My only advice would be to keep it short and sweet or to do lots of railroading. Branching choices become overwhelming very quickly.
>>21232472
There's no point in "generating ideas" for writing - you should write something you're interested in. Once you have an idea for a setting or a main character, then you can start generating ideas. Otherwise, it's totally pointless.

1,500 of decent enough quality yesterday, but I think I will need to delete it all or very heavily revise because it's handwavy and compromises the more profound stuff I wrote two days ago. Feels bad.

>>21231584
Fuck it's hard trying to make it bros.
Sent off a promo copy of pic related to this blogger who i thought would give me a good write up. He emailed me back saying that it's not a good fit for his blog after all so he won't be reviewing it.
For fuck's sake, what's a man got to do to break through?

>>21233393
Meandering?

>>21233910
At least you made it farther than most of us.

>>21231856
Having actually used AI text generators, I can assure you there is no need to fear.
For starters, to get even halfway decent results from one of these generators you need to provide quality input at regular intervals. And no matter how much text you put in, the AI is only capable of echoing similar noise to its inputs. It isn't capable of writing a fully featured story.
There is maybe a world where someone combines existing AI generators with additional AI generators that use dramatica or something similar to guide the creation of a coherent story, but you would still need a competent human writer to shape the output into something worthwhile, which requires all the standard skills of a writer anyway. On top of that, you need experience using the AI generator so it can be guided to produce the right kind of text.
The immediate prompt to passable output that Stable Diffusion and such can do for images simply does not translate to a story in the same way. The AI will get lost in the prose and fail to drive the text forward without heavy guidance and editing.

>>21233985
AI can write killer greentexts tho.

>>21231584
All the fair trade, eco-conscious coffee that liberated marginalised women in Micronesia made Jeremy sick. Really sick. All that sustainable farming that limited the amount of modern day slavery made his stomach turn. The packaging, biodegradable and recycled, seemed to even give off a hint of death. But the coffee was worst, as it seemed to fill his pores. There was the awful, robust smell—so full and dark, darker than one of the smiling niggeresses who picked the coffee. He reeled at the horror, the horror let loose by that first variant of Ethiopian coffee.

>>21231584
To those who are autistic enough to care about details like this.
>Giant monsters are a regular problem worldwide. One of your many anti-monster assets (You have giant robots and mystic protectors and stuff) is a young woman who can turn into a fusion-powered giant humanoid.
How would you effectively handle her? Remember, she's not a big secret, so this isn't some "Lock her up in a lab and experiment on her" situation

>>21234220
Give her a really big gun.

>>21234220
do people know it's specifically her turning into the giant? If not, she tries to keep her identity secret while NATO tries to convince her to out herself by offering rewards.

>>21234252
>>21234254
I meant you're a government agent. How would you properly deploy her

>>21234293
Well it depends on what passes for acceptable losses in your setting. If it's okay to stomp civilians, you can just yolo it and greenlight any fighting action. If not, then you'll probably want to have her bait enemies outside the important places and stuff.

>>21234293
Helicopter drop her into the monster's mouth so she can go titan mode in there and make their head explode

>>21234220
>1. She's in love with a government handler
>2. Government has blackmail on her
>3. She's co-operative and the government just directs her to where she's needed, giving her food, housing, and money in return

>>21234293
Massively bungle the situation and cause her to go rogue. Usfg hasnt done anything right since they killed mlk.

Alright, please and thank you:

https://pastebin.com/raw/tD0QNFUq

Should be at worst worth your time for a laugh

>really want to write
>can't come up with a premise for a story that isn't some huge novel shit

>>21234623
Make it a short story.

>>21234628
That's the problem, I can't come up with anything short that's good, and I don't think jumping straight into a full novel is a good idea.

Actually now that I think about it, I can't really come up with a premise for a novel, either.

Do you guys keep track of writing sessions by page or word count or any other objective sort of metric? Just wondering what an “average” and/or “good” day looks like word count wise.

Started a writer's website a few months ago, with a blog, and I'm going to launch a new comedy-horror series on there. Basically, my friends and I always have barbecues out in a small mountain town, and some odd things happen. Add some creative license, and increase the oddity, and boom! Fun little short stories.

Entry one is 4 pages in. Might end up being about 6 or 7 when finished. Easy to write, given the farcical nature of the text.

>>21234293
in reality most likely she'd be a WMD-tier military asset with her own special operations attachment, there would be a score of men both at home and on the field just to communicate with her, plan her movements and responses to the target, monitor her vitals and "fusion levels," provide fire support, and probably act as first responders to the collateral damage she'll inevitably cause - which would be entirely reasonable to an extent for something like the US government, considering she's fighting giant monsters.

if they built armor, weapons, or produced size-appropriate clothing for her (assuming her clothes don't somehow grow as well and the ones she does wear as a giant can be damaged) then there would be just as well a score of technicians following her along to maintain her equipment and outfit her, almost reminiscent to a corp of modern squires.

with all this though none of it means she would have even a single modicum of militarial authority over any of them. at least in the eyes of the government, at best she would be their equals in rank, at worst a paramilitary black-ops kind of tag-along. but i think thematically having that sort of physical, immediate power would certainly hold her in a place of respect and a rational, though discrete, level of fear - by everybody, government, civilian, military. so i think the dead and rotting horse trope of "they treat her like a weapon maaaan like a machiiinnee in a laaab" is just ridiculous. absolutely nobody would directly fuck with her but some sort of indirect political divide over her deployment and damages would exist simply because of the inevitable merits of the concept itself. she would also probably be one of the first targets for foreign gov-approved assassination in hot/cold war scenarios with her host nation and another superpower, they would be after her in non-giant mode constantly because again she is essentially a nuke on legs.

>>21234635
Start with something small you want to write about and necessitate plot elements from that.
Alternatively just keep a dream journal until you have a worthwhile dream.

>>21234778
Good advice, thanks.

Better to write 3rd omni or 3rd limited?

>>21234761
She's far from the only giant thing countries have access to.

>>21231584
That roman soldier is FUCKED

>>21234640
Always word count as what a "page" means varies hugely by formatting and dialogue use. And about 500 words per hour is considered pretty standard

>>21234972
unless they are other sapient, humanoid beings with the versatility she possesses in both size and tactics and there's no marvel level, reality altering capeshit magic that directly counters her or something she would still be top 10 or even top 3 deadliest things on earth. there's other caveats to this of course that i'd need to ask a dozen questions for, like: how big does she get, how strong really is she, do her powers make her immune to the effects of a nuclear blast, etc

if there ARE other giant humans and not just robots, controlled/tamed monsters, and whatever "mystic protectors and stuff" implies, then that is a whole new can you have to crack open. there would be an internal system of politics among giants alone, and then another circle of internal politics that encompass that circle, being the overarching community of "anti-monster" figures - they would be akin to superpowers in the national sense in their own right. again it all really depends on how strong she actually is out of a hypothetical "top 100" or however many monster fighters there are; where ever she sits on that scale is going to affect how she is treated, what kind of political and/or militarial power she has, etc etc.

i still think regardless of your reply or this one i've made in return that you would still see a lot of what i've mentioned. even if she was the weakest piece of shit giant or superpowered anti-monster defender out of all of them you would still see massive departmental aid and government oversight in all her actions on the field. i mean for christ's sake we have whole fucking bureaus just for parks, trash pickup, and wagie gas station worker disputes over paychecks - there would be a logistical ARMY for battle active giants.

>>21235005
Does that include deletions and editing? If not I am very slow.

>>21235026
going further into depth on logistical army, i mean it, there would probably be off the top of my head thousands of people who are involved in her keeping. assuming she is an american asset, and in a fictional real-world equivalent that has been dealing with nation crushing monsters, i could easily see there being:

>likely some black-site training facility out in nevada so she can stay in top shape for fighting in giant form, they would have a huge track set up for her, monumentally large weights, fitness and combat trainers, a clinic's worth of doctors and nutritionists
>probably some ragtag band of genius nuclear physicists and shit that keep watch so she doesn't somehow blow up and leave a 200 mile diameter crater of poison on the earth for a millennia
>a team of cutthroat glowie lawyers, insurance agents, and other bureaucratic handlers that keep national/international authorities off her case
>a 24/7 personal security retinue that keeps her from getting shot in the back of the head by some disgruntled retard because he didn't evacuate his family during a city-wide giga-beatdown as ordered and got them all killed
>a media handler team that keeps her image in good light and handles all the branding, media, and merchandise that would 100% exist of her: she would be a feminist icon of the century along with any other female monster killers and if her powers were unique to her she would be #1 by far
>if she's deployed internationally, teams across the world in embassies awaiting her possible arrival and deployment; stateside, there would be a central location or base almost everywhere with space reserved for her forward team to get set up
>very likely an entire lobby group that advances her interests legislatively regarding freedom of action and prejudice in combat situations (and of course a group opposing that same thing)
>mobs of ravenous fans

i also think that in line with human nature, there's very likely some sort of cult (in a bad or good sense) or religious movement surrounding her. being biblical in ability, true-to-life at that, and directly "doing good unto man" by defeating huge monsters would without a doubt inspire reverence and even worship. she's human, she's "scientific" sounding in origin so no witchcraft - which some might call a miracle that she survived whatever granted her those powers - and giants already have precedent in history: she would at the very least be a saint in some little old south american church

>>21235026
She's not even the strongest thing humanity has access to, nor the strongest thing period. The strongest thing period is this fucking dinosaur who can best be described as a Kaiju version of Yujiro Hanma

Hey /wg/, trying to get back in the saddle on writing. Here's the first part of a short story set in the SCP universe. I know it's bad but be specific in what way its' bad, please.

I am giving up on writing.

>>21235110
huh?

>>21235253
keep your tenses consistent. But I like it. If there's a critique I have would be that the main character appears far too late in the story and there's far too much exposition about some giant prison for monsters. You could start with
>Garcia turned off his radio. Site 36's alarms blared far too loud for him to hear any words from his receiver...

Orrr

Monsters without a label or name were housed in Site 36. Agents rotated every half hour for fresh legs and focus. blah blah blah

>>21235269
No you're not.

>>21235110
Actually, I should mention a couple things
>Her biology is all kinds of fucky. Ever since it happened, she hasn't needed to sleep or eat, nor has she even aged in 3 years, so her training is more mental. Such as focus, reflexes, and creativity.
>She was taught control by a giant mystical statue from Germany when she first started out with a "Secret Identity" before signing on with the government
I wanted to craft something that can only be described as batshit insanity

>>21235284
You’re not the boss of me. Fuck off, faggot.

>>21231584
fuck it man every time I see one of these cool fantasy covers I want to write my novel but when I write my novel I realize I can't write for shit

>>21235343
Write it anyway. It’s nanowrimo. It’s all about writing a shitty novel.

>>21235385
no

>>21235104
Its an average for people with some experience writing and uncludes very minimal editing so that draft will need love later. Don't sweat it if you're newer to writing or starting a story- quality trumps speed every time and a lot of people get into weird e-penis bragging contests over word count.

There are tricks to writing faster to experiment with. A lot of it comes down to knowing what you're going to write in advance so I like to have some key scenrs/dialogue sketched out the night before.

>>21235269
You share any samples here I might recognize?

I posted this sample here some threads ago, but the response was overwhelmingly positive—to the point that I've grown suspicious of it. I feel as if there's something still off about the piece, maybe there could be more detail strewn about there, or the fragment should be extended into a full short story or prologue, but overall, I'd like a second opinion about this piece. I just know that there's something off about it, but I'm not sure what it is.

(Stand-in Title: Sneed's Curse)

The sun was sinking halfway into the horizon and streaks of purple cut through the bleeding sky. The world beneath turned into a medley of black shapes. The cold wind blew past Johnny; it bit into his bones.

He ground his foot into the sand, hand trembling over his holster. The dark cameos of Joshua trees seemed like outstretched, clawing hands rising from the earth. The low lying scrub, a carpet of black wires creeping across the earth; the sparse grass turned into dark tufts of fur. Out in the distance beyond his meager sight, the low, mournful howl of a lone coyote drifted through the wind.

Johnny groped for his piece, and finding the handle, after a second or so of stroking the rough grained leather, he pulled it out in a white-knuckled grip. He pointed it out in front of him, as if he were fending off a wild animal with a torch. Only darkness greeted him.

The sun had now lowered even further. An immense glowing red hill, growing dimmer and more distant by the second.

The lone coyote's howl bayed a second time. It was no longer an ephemeral wail, but now a clear siren.

The incandescent rays of his lantern pierced through the darkness, and, for a moment, painted everything in white. Johnny blinked. The desert revealed to him was infinitely more loathsome than it had ever been. The sand was still the same beige; the shrubs still crouched into the sand; the sparse grass as dry as ever. But there was a malevolence to them absent at day.

At the very edge of his torch's light, where the white glow turned yellow and mingled with the dark, there jutted from the ground an immense Joshua tree. Its trunk twisted upwards and its gnarled branches clawed out every which way it could. The grotesque knobs at the very ends were made all the more detestable by the almost hair-like quality the hanging strands of thin leaves imparted to it.

A thin hand reached around the trunk. Bone-thin fingers scored lines. Joshua pulled the trigger. The revolver's roar shattered the quiet.

>>21235551
>I just know that there's something off about it, but I'm not sure what it is.
In my opinion it's the fact that you're rarely if ever literal and strictly precise in your conveyance of events/scenery. If everything's a metaphor or poetic, nothing is. Similar to how a song needs quiet sections for the loud sections to have impact, you need literal and precise language for the poetic descriptions to stand out.
Don't get me wrong, they're usually quite good, but there's just too much.
It seems counter-intuitive, but you appear to be 'trying too hard'. If you get what I mean.

>>21235566
I've come to the brain-blasting realization that I no longer know how to be precise in my description of events or scenery.

I knew my MTL Chinese Webnovel addiction would fuck me over, but to think it'd do it this badly.

>>21235583
kek
Not the worst problem to have. I don't know, man. Maybe try write/read some non-fiction that interests you for practice.

Hello /lit/, jannies are the reason I'm here to ask around. I've only ever written for myself, so the first time I've ever shared my work was when I made personalized smut for an acquaintance. Feral on female. Gathering some more experience is something I'd like. Are the self publishing websites listed in the pastebin valid for this kind of thing or is there something more niche I could go for?

>>21234623
I usually get infatuated with a certain idea or a character. So I start building a world around that.

>>21232472
Idea generation:
>get clean sheet of paper, A3 is perfect, smaller is fine
>right in the center write a short interesting phrase; a location idea, a character, a single word
>this is your nucleus
>it can be anything but keep it really short and simple, no more than a few words
>circle it, take a deep breath and relax
>now let go and allow connections to come into your head
>write these down rapidly, each word in it's own circle, radiating outward from the center in any direction you feel appropriate
>if you're not flowing simply doodle about for a bit, maybe draw arrows and bubbles you can fill later
>if something strikes you start radiating new words from there
>this should take no more than 2-3 minutes
>at some point you should feel an urge to write, an a-ha moment, a kind of mental shift
>now write, either ignoring the cluster or scanning it for specifics
>trust your natural flow and keep the inner critic silent
>write nonstop for no more than 5 minutes
>read what you have written aloud
>upon reflection you may find that what felt like gobbledygook has a very clear meaning, elegance even

For fleshing out you can use the same clustering process as above but instead of writing a vignette (or even after writing one) complete these sentences:
>Once upon a time...
>Everyday...
>Until one day...
>Because of that...
>Because of that...
>(as many "Because of that" as needed)
>Until finally...
>And everyday since that...

If you hate that I make use of these tools I don't care.

Quest of the Chosen Hero
Book 1 of 10: A Knight Most Worthy
Prologue Part 1 of 2: In the Beginning it Was Bad

Five hundred years before this story begins it was a prosperous time in the ancient kingdom of Fantaztica that Franklin Ortega found himself waking to. Fluffy white clouds drifted listlessly overhead, pushed along by a the same gentle breeze that made the grass bounce around him. The boy lay there for ten minutes and blinked against the bleary remnants of his nap. He may have chosen to lay there longer had he not heard his sister in the distance calling for him.
“Onii-san,” Madeleine’s squeaky voice belted from the west. “You missed temple services! Papa will be angry! You know that as one of the members of the council he needs to maintain appearances and having a son too delinquent to sit and listen to the elders, who founded our society one thousand years ago after we were devastated by the invading demons, the Onsyra’i, will hurt the public’s opinion of him!” By the time she finished, she’d nearly stumbled upon his hiding place among the tall blades. Her toes, small and pink, peaked through the grass.
Staying low to the ground, Franklin pounced. He wrapped his arms around her legs and pushed her backwards. Madeleine screamed as she fell down. Laying there, his head laid across his sister’s bony, smooth calves, Franklin listened to her excited pants.
“You should be wary in these fields, for they have snakes!” Franklin wormed his way down her legs as she lay there. When his lips reached her toes he pecked at them.
Madeleine giggled and wriggled the chubby nubs. The she knocked her brother away by gently kicking her soft soles against his cheeks. “If any snake dared to nip my feet I would go to father and tell him to hire the greatest hunter in the land to find that snake and any other snake who would be so bold and kill them all! Then make me a dress of their skins.” She sat on her knees, pulling the dress to cover her legs. Her brother plopped himself on her right with his knees pulled to his chest.
“You do know this hunter is now also a tanner and a seamstress. Someone of such rarified expertise will be an expensive contractor. Do you not think father would balk at the cost?”

You are invited to visit my thread. I made it to guide /lit/bros interested in Beowulf :)
>>21235718

>>21235796
“I may be three years younger than you, and thus twelve, while you are fifteen, fifteen and a half to be precise, but I think I know a bit more of the world than you, big brother. Many hunters are tanners as well because they sell the hides! Further, due to their rugged, isolated lifestyle they know their way with needle and thread among other traditionally womanly pursuits like cooking and cleaning. So not only would this individual not have such a unique set of traits as to command an expensive contract, but would likely be so common as to be the very baseline of prospects.”
“I see. Very astute of you, my little sister. Now tell me, how it came to be that a girl so wise beyond her years has been caught traipsing about the field in her bare feet?” Franklin rose and held out one hand to her. She took his hand and he helped her to her feet. Blades of grass stood up between her toes.
She swayed from side-to-side with a mischievous smile on her blushing face. “I couldn’t have known how muddy this field would be, and father would be awful sore with me if I’d dirtied those nice new clogs. You wouldn’t want me to suffer a spanked bottom, would you?” Madeleine pushed past her brother, chin upturned as though he were a mere peasant. “Or perhaps you would,” she mumbled. “You’re such a dirty older brother.” She dashed for her shoes, set at the edge of the field, giggling the whole way. Her long auburn hair trailed behind. The sunlight caught it in waves.
“How dare you insinuate incestuous inclinations!” Franklin gave chase.

>>21235796
You have 10 books and you still need a prologue?

I suck at dialogue. How do I get better?

>>21235796
Nevermind. This is weeb trolling shit. Very funny

>>21236066
Write out a sentence then rewrite it improperly.

1.1k words today.
This is my post.
There are many like it.
But this one is mine.
We are all gonna make it.
Some of us more than others.

Did the nanowrimo thread get archived already lol

>>21233910
>i hit on one girl and she rejected me
>i will for ever be a kissless virgin
You know what you have to do.
in case you dont: send that fucker to every blogger, booktuber and other attention seeking whore you can find. It ain’t over until you’ve actually been rejected by everyone

I have zero writing experience. Recently reread The Stranger. And barely have any ideas as to where this might go.

Is this even remotely interesting or should I kill myself. It's the very beginning of what will hopefully evolve into a short story.

Uploaded the wrong version earlier and it ended up making me want to revise. But im too tired to be worrying about that shit and I need advice bad.

I have no writing experience. Recently reread The Stranger. And have no idea where this will go.

Is this interesting at all or should I kill myself? Is the style change when he goes outside too abrupt? Is the overall tone even consistent?

This is the very beggining of a short story I think will be seperated into three parts.

>>21231584
>If you have not performed a cursory proofread, do not expect to be treated kindly. Edit your work for spelling and grammar before posting.
I did, but I still suck. at least I'm aware of my shortcomings.
http://libgen.rs/book/index.php?md5=392D7104AEF4A96C831EEEACC3FB8F73

Does anyone know where I can learn more about the effects you get with word count or structure of a series of sentences? The only advice I ever see is on what it does for a single sentence, but never how a simple sentence following a complex or vice versa is interpreted by the reader. Or by a contracting and expanding of syllables per sentence. I notice these things when writing but too inarticulate to understand why it's meaningful.

>>21236601
There's nothing really going on in this opening, nothing that would compel a reader to keep going. One piece of advice that I've heard which may be helpful is to start your story on the day in which everything changes. Consider that in The Stranger, Camus starts with the death of the Meursault's mother. As I was reading your story I kept waiting for some sign of the change to show up but it was just more routine. Also you should be mindful that "the waking up" opening is cliched.

Don't get any big ideas.

>>21237211
My ideas are only as big as my penis. I write mostly short stories.

How the fuck can I be "authentic"
People keep throwing that word around but I don't know what it means in the context of literature.

>>21237342
Write from the heart. Even if it's ugly or shows "the author" in a bad light or is risqué or is even murderously fucked up, fucking write it because it's authentic to yourself and what you are feeling. Slightly related: Trent Reznor has said his career took off when he accepted that he needed to write about being a degenerate horny bastard.
>In his first years, Reznor was primarily influenced by punk rock, specifically English band The Clash. He later said, "I fucked around with some bad music; I was trying to sound like other bands. I thought The Clash were cool so I was trying to be cool, too. Important political statements, no one's going to make fun of me for them. But the journal entries of a horny, sad guy who doesn't fit in ... the words I was writing in my journal to keep myself from going crazy were the real lyrics I needed."

>>21237342
It's mostly through specific detail. The kind of detail that isn't "received" from other texts (i.e cliched). I remember someone posted a twitter account which posts anonymous confessions. It contains exactly the kind of details that I'm talking about. e.g I remember one middle-aged poster wrote that he would drive an hour back home to use the toilet because he was infatuated with the cleaning lady in his office. And another guy who buys two beers whenever he goes a bar and sips alternately from each one so it looks like he's with a friend and the friend just got up to use the bathroom.

There was also another thread on court transcripts which are a similar source of such details.

>>21237278
You guys write?

>>21237342
You have to bend the truth to be authentic. Therefore, the more you lie to yourself, the more authentic you are. Because you will believe each lie, thus making you less likely to doubt yourself, therefore making you more authentic

>>21237407
What?
Is pinecone a liar?

>>21237418
Can a liar get revenge?

>>21237342
>>21237363
This. You have to rip your guts out, but the problem is this is the age old paradox of "you have to try not to try". You try to be authentic, it's no longer authentic. You simply have to be.
You'll have to figure out what that means in practice for yourself. No one can do it for you, in the same way that no one can tell you who you are.

>>21237427
>"Be spontaneous!" they said
Thus the action would be planned, and not spontaneous.
>"Be creative!" they said
Thus the action would also be planned.
>"Surprise me!"
Thus there is no way to comply, unless you pull yourself up by the bootstraps

>>21237440
>they said
What do you say?

>>21237448
Don't worry about it

>>21232121
Question, what would you say a hook does?

How the fuck do you come up with plot?
I have themes I want to explore, and I know Paul Schrader's advice of simply finding a problem and creating a metaphor for it, e.g. problem: a lonely young man/metaphor: taxi cab driver or problem: man who's a closeted gay/metaphor: spy who wants to come in from the cold, but I cannot for the life of my come up with the metaphor part of it. Why do I have no imagination?

>>21237457
the hook hooks you

>>21237457
It raises an interesting inquiry that the reader wants a resolution to.

You should not have reported my review poppet.

By overthinking, you technically *are* taking action

>>21237468
>How the fuck do you come up with plot?
I wish I had a simple answer. From what I've gathered:
>you read a lot of books and expose yourself to whatever other forms of storytelling you enjoy, especially in the genre(s) you want to write for, until your head is full of events, ideas, scenes and story beats
>you examine with special care the ones that you think are well plotted, and think about what you would like to do similarly
>you think even more about what you would like to do differently from other books and how to improve the flawed ones
>then, hopefully, at some point, your brain cooks up an idea based on all the material you've fed it, all the rumination you've done and your own subconscious

>>21237468
Dramatica is good if you like weird 90s programs and esoteric theory books.
Otherwise try working on one aspect of the story and see where things need to go.

>don't know how to write old stuffy people
>ape the kjv for all of their dialogue
I'm thinking this one will be a masterpiece.

>F Gardner has a new book

How is it?

>>21239017
That’s F Gardner’s NaNo book. He literally wrote it in a few days.

>>21239017
Gardner covers are so fucking kino.

>>21239017
Holy shit the “look inside” preview is bonkers.

>>21239036
>>21239049
>>21239076
No one's going to buy your shitty book, quit spamming it.

>>21239036
If that’s the case then it should be masterfully retarded even for F Gardner standards.

>>21231584
My computer is freezing up a lot. Is it because my document is at 250,000 words? Is that too much for it to handle or is it something else? Anyone with experience dealing with big files?

>>21239107
Erm... Close your other tabs and clean up your disc space, maybe save the work and restart your computer?

>>21239017
How does he have such dedication and work habits?

>>21239017
Based. F Gardner’s an inspiration.

>>21237468
Look up the book by Jeff Kitchen, he has a pretty novel perspective on plotting. Also the book by Paul Gulino.

>>21239107
What are you writing to get such lengths?

>>21239017
Holy fuck, 50k words in 10 days. Hats off to Gardner.

>>21239017
I’m not even 1/4th though reading this and it already might be the best thing I’ve read from /wg./

>>21239266
Agreed.
Eggplant? Psh the plot to elves is way more relatable
Emily Project? pales in comparison to the sci Fi and characters
Haunted houses? Lol at least elves finished
Egregore? Not even half as scary
Playtimes consequences? Can't even touch the complexity of Gardner's new book

Masterpiece

>>21239017
The meme man now has 13 books, boys. F Gardner is officially the most influential novelist of the 21st century.

>>21239123
I don’t know. He’s literally a Buddhist flat-earther weeb who thinks smoking cigarettes is good for himself. Everything I know about F Gardner is strange and he’s somehow the most productive writer to come out of 4chan.

If you're going to samefag this hard about yourself then the janny will end up deleting all of your posts again. Hopefully you get rangebanned for constantly shitting up these threads

(1/7)

Natalie Pennis:

Sixteen and perfectly callipygian, Natalie Pennis walks under the neon gray August twilight waiting for someone to blow up her iPhone. She hasn't heard word one from Nick in a week, and it's still getting awful hot out, and he is getting fucking dumped.
In the East Q 7-11, she's contemplating the slurpee machine's whirling syrup ice goo and her phone blooms to life and her heart blooms with it. The giant wispy mustached boy behind the counter watches her. The call is from a blocked number. 'Hello?'

For forty minutes, sitting on the curb under the neon storefront, she has it out with Nick. Cars whir by on Montauk Highway. The darkness accelerates and the glow of the storefront grows with it. She's babysitting tonight, down and around the road, in a huge fucking house, for a pair of twelve year old twins. The curb is warm through her jean shorts, and she's wearing a dayglo bikini underneath so she can go in her client's giant ass pool. She's considering sneaking a few gulps of vodka beforehand.

So fast forward—Doorbell sounds muffly through white double doors. Her head is all tangled from the phone call. A figure suddenly glides up behind the glass and yanks the door open: 'Hiiiiiiiiiiiiii!' White dress, gold jewelry, blonde, tiny, tight, and lasery eyes, Mrs. Arms Wide Open, hug, light cheek kiss. 'We're just walking out the door now. The boys are downstairs. Sergio! We're going to be late!'

The couple are sucked out into the night through the front doors and Natalie's mind settles into the silence. She makes a beeline for the freezer, does a hipswing maneuver around the granite island. Grey Goose. Plops the cork and lets the liquid ice in her. Mouthful, swallow. Ok, one more. The pool glows blue through the sliding back door.
Through the first floor maze she finds the basement door, opens it, and travels down the tight staircase. The amount of blood spattered across the room scrambles her entirely, momentarily, lost temporarily in a hospital sized second, she begins screaming.

>>21239479
(2/7)

Nick Dickerson:

On the TV a videogame clamors. His eyes white rings around brown rings around black pinpoints stare at the screaming mess at the foot of the stairs. He runs a trembling hand through his sweat marinated mane. Stendhal syndrome, he thinks.

'Nat.'

The screaming pulls back like a tide, his voice the moon pulling her attention to him. Her screams still dancing in rings around his nerves, a spark lighting in him seeing the darkness growing in her crotch. He raises his eyebrows and smiles, a jack-o-lantern.

Suddenly they are entangled, a frame cut, edited out, the blood on him now on her. Her runner's body hard against him, both to the blond wood floor, guns rattling from the TV, from the surround sound. Still unsure, he grabs for her head for a good bathyspheric kiss and it's all just pounding fists, fucking cunt.

Doorknobs fill his head, each one accounted for. He tickles her into a twitching bundle of confused giggles, smeared with red goo. Standing over her, fifty feet tall, white T-shirt, tie-dyed with blood, pulls out a pistol, points: 'We're going to smoke this meth.', tossing the sandwich bag on the floor.

Fast forward—The master bedroom mirror reflecting the two fucking: 'Don't stop watching.' he's breathing into her ear, one hand around her neck, the other a V at their wet hot and pounding intersection. She angles her head back for that deepwater kiss. 'Tell me and I'll do it.' she says. 'Don't stop.' she says.

And so it begins.

>>21239488
(3/7)

David Domino Domingo:

Sunday morning. My head feels stuffed with towels. Dry towels. I'm biking, sweating down Dune Road, Westhampton. Beach grass shishes and heliotropic landscaping whizzes by. The sun is the Devil's invention and it's overwhelming me, overwhelming the road. Everywhere too bright.

A smell, a stomach lurch, then the sight of what might have been a German shepherd, what is definitely a severed paw, my face wrenches, suddenly out of my control. Fucking fuck. Empty multimillion dollar homes loom. The cicada chorus.

I ride past, east, even bigger houses in Q. Tennis courts, basketball courts, a white Rolls-Royce Phantom pulls out from a gated driveway. Sergio LaFloppocinni. How am I sweating this much? Through the gate are three police cars, lights turning but invisible under Satan's sun.

>>21239493
(4/7)

David Domino Domingo's Reflection:

The Q Club shimmers by way of reflections in glasses, mirrors, silverware, phones, clocks, computers, the outside world bent and twisted, dancing in the wind, a storm rushing across the island.

DD Domingo, his flat-gray reflection convex in the clock, looks to be contemplating how pregnant women in their final trimester carry a jar of pickles around so they can cover up their water breaking by breaking the jar on the floor. But upon reflection this is unlikely.

Soon enough, Rod Pennis's reflection is twisting and jumping along the dining rooms silverware, heading towards the image of his lawyer, D3 AKA the Dominator. The club is mostly empty and the crystal glasses vibrate invisibly with angry and haunted sound waves. But the vibrations remain untranslated outside the lawyer's and client's heads.

>>21239500
(5/7)

Domino's Psychic Copy Domino David Domingo:

Domino David Domingo—3D to his friends—is always just somewhere beyond three seconds either behind or ahead of his best buddy and psychic twin D3, the legendary lawyer.

Anyway, 3D is with his pals Guy, Black Angus, D3 and Hand, shooting around the target range: BANG BANG BANG etc. The range is an awful lot like a car showroom. 12,500,000 watts chattering D3's teeth with each squeeze.

When the BANGs pitter out, the door swings open and a group of women sashay in. After a shimmering beat or two, the now-man-children gawk and funnel out through the door.

Black Angus is the real deal, 3D reflects. His shoot sheet is punctured only in the ten ring. A prince of precision. This is probably because Black Angus was a hoodrat before he got drafted into and through the NBA and into fistfuls of wet cunt and hard cash.

The reason 3D knows this is because it was told to Domino, but Domino wasn't really paying attention. Black Angus also has a PhD.

'Tennis, everyone?' D3 asks.

'FOCK YEAH!' says Black Angus. Guy and Hand nod vigorously. Black Angus flashes his Addidas sponsorship smile.

They all hi-five and bump chests and run to their cars, 3D still trying to grasp the situation his twin just generated.

Fast forwardPOCK POCK POCK POCK. D3 (With 3D's help) and Black Angus brutalize Hand and Guy across 4 matches. Their technique involves walloping the yellow fuzz hornet at H&G's faces. 'Quick and painless!' they shout, out of synch.

3D's the better player, shimmying D3 by his nervous system like a marionette.

After, they sit on the beach staring out over the trinitite ocean. D3 is treating his horror irradiated brain with Heineken radiation, while 3D transforms into a Geiger–Müller counter, scanning the Pennis Situation for, well—

>>21239509
(6/7)

D3:

Seagulls run along the beach. A freighter is on the horizon. The fucking sun. The police recovered a freezer bag containing liver. On Dune Road. And another bag with two hearts three houses down from my own.

Everyone has gone home. They don't know. Soon enough, I guess. I doubt she's alive. But hey, retainer is retainer. A greenhead fly starts attacking me. Time to go. My ears are still ringing from the range.

>>21239519
(7/7)

3D:

Rewind—Natalie Pennis leans against the court fence, and I immediately take over D3. We use his muscle tissues and surprisingly scary gameface to force three consecutive points against Black Angus.

Forty Love.

Now Natalie isn’t the only one up against the fence. Tatiana McGillicuddy and Maggie and Birthday Cake and everyone else on the grass start making match watching noises.

D3 races crosscourt to the ball.

With five women watching, D3 whaps at Black Angus, attempting the Hampton Face Rattle. He smacks him right in his kisser. The ball piddle pocks on the court and D3 runs around his side of the court hooting.

But Black Angus throws the ball up and sends it right into the back of D3’s head. Tatiana, Maggie, and Birthday go crazy on the sidelines, and Natalie Pennis flashes her 16 year old tits for Black Angus. And so: Domino runs and shoves Black Angus, Black Angus shoves him back, I shove D3, and D3 really, really shoves Black Angus.

Now D3 and Black Angus are squared off at the net.

There’s a yelp, people scattering, and Birthday Cake yells, “Domino, he’s got a gun!”

I swing over to Black Angus, and he’s holding a black pistol to the side of D3’s head, and with a click pulls the trigger spraying water all over the side of Domino’s face. We all fall the hot court and roll around laughing into the sunset.

>>21231584
>Rivien came to the bridge and saw a woman. Instinct told him that she was no older than twenty-one. A year younger than he was. She was of the eastern lands of the Reformed, fair-skinned and monolidded. She spoke in a tongue that the translation organ in his brain could not pick up on. All he knew was she was begging for her life. A voice hoarse and desperate. The soldiers spoke threats and mockery in Plainspeak and pushed her around, one of their hands running down the length of her thigh and the other feeling her breasts. Her hands shook defensively in front of her face, and hot tears ran down her cheeks. She wore nothing but a rudimentary dress and stockings made from a thin white material Rivien did not recognize. He gripped the pistol in his holster and took a clear shot at the second one's head. Rivien knew it, too. A pure sound-shot turns the head into pulp.

It's very stunted and doesn't flow too well, but I'm kind of proud of how far I've come. I know I could be better though.

>>21239525
(8/7)

D3:

I spent this morning on the living room couch looking at Cherise in her jar. She is my dear dead wife and her ashes sit on top of the white mantel over the fireplace. It went like this: autoerotic asphyxiation and the pool vacuum and a colorectal polyp and a prolapse and a bleeding out through the pool filter. I came home, summoned her, nothing, went out to the pool, it had turned pink and had grand red plumes blowing out the jets. She drowned. Officially.

>>21239529
Rivien saw a woman on the bridge. She was no older than 21. She was of the eastern lands of the Reformed. Fair-skinned and monolid. She spoke in a foreign tongue. Begging for her life. Hoarse and desperate. The soldiers threatened and mocked her and pushed her around. A hand running down the length of her thigh and the another feeling her breasts. Her hands shook in front of her face and tears ran down her cheeks. She wore a thin dress and stockings. He reached his pistol from its holster and shot the soldier in the head.

yr welcome

>>21239017
I read the free chapter. Amazing. You guys need to check this out.

>>21239563
>>21239529
Rivien saw a woman on the bridge. She was no older than 21. She was of the eastern lands of the Reformed: Fair-skinned and monolid. She wore a thin dress and stockings and spoke in a foreign tongue, begging for her life. Hoarse and desperate. A soldier broke rank and threatened and mocked her and pushed her around. His hand down the length of her thigh and the another feeling her breasts. Her hands shook in front of her face and tears ran down her cheeks. Rivien reached his pistol from its holster and shot the soldier in the head.

>>21239604
Nevermind

>>21239610
Wait, are you that one schizo or are you trying to level genuine criticism at me? The second one is slightly better.

>>21239610
Donald Trump saw a woman on the bridge. She was no older than 86. She was of the western lands of the Reformed: Wrinkle-skinned and monolid. She wore a thin bathing suit and spoke in a San Franciscan tongue, begging for her life. Hoarse and desperate. An Ultra Mega Maga broke rank and threatened and mocked her and pushed her around. His hand down the length of her thigh flap and the another feeling her roiling, heaving old lady breasts. Her hands shook in front of her face and tears ran the twisted rivulets of her wrinkled and 'toxed face. Donald Trump reached his pistol from its holster and shot her in the head.

>>21239017
Based. Gardner writes the best books here.

>>21239610
Jamall saw a woman on the bridge. She was no older than 19. She was of the eastern lands of the Reformed: Fair-skinned and monolid. She wore a short skirt and blouse and spoke in a midwestern tongue, begging for her life. Hoarse and desperate. A nigga broke rank and threatened and mocked her and pushed her around. His hand down the length of her thigh and the another feeling her European breasts. Her hands shook in front of her face and tears ran down her cheeks. Jamall reached his pistol from its holster and shot her in the head.

>>21239610
Chad Covidington saw a woman on the bridge. She was no older than 34. She was of the Puerto Rican lands of the Bronx, New York: Brown-skinded and donkey-eyed. She wore a white pants suit and spoke in a squeaky tongue, begging for her life in 7902hz. Squeaking and desperate. An Ultra Mega Maga broke rank and threatened and mocked her and pushed her around. His hand down grabbing her bare foot and the another feeling her roiling, heaving Puerto Rican breasts. Her hands shook in front of her face and vaginal sploosh ran in twisted rivulets of her wrinkled and outie vagina. Chad Covidington reached his pistol from its holster and shot himself in the head.

>>21239478
It’s a Sakurafish situation. There were seethe threads before from the ex-Janitor who got his janitor status revoked for trying to ban Gardnerpostings. It’s been going on for years and Call of the Crocodile and F Gardner are now too ingrained into 4chan and /lit./ It’s like trying to stop Baneposting. You’re just going to get a ban for false reports.

>>21239017
Oh nice. Hopefully it’s as crazy as Call of the Crocodile.

I need a recommendation for a pen that will be used almost 8 hours a day. It must be super comfortable to use.

>>21239704
>I need a recommendation for a pen that will be used almost 8 hours a day. It must be super comfortable to use.

>>21239017
Now that is one memeable book cover.

>>21239610
Vladimir 'Vlad' Vladimirovich saw a woman on the bridge. She was no older than 41. She was of the eastern lands of Ukraine: Fair-skinned and monolid. She wore an Adidas jacket and torn Jeans and spoke in a foreign tongue, begging for her life. Hoarse and desperate. A soldier broke rank and threatened and mocked her and pushed her around. His hand down the length of her thigh and the another feeling her breasts. Her hands shook in front of her face and tears ran down her cheeks. Vladimir 'Vlad' Vladimirovich reached his pistol from its holster and shot the soldier in the head.

>>21239718
You're not helping.

If I had natural birth talent I would study from Kaneko...
I take pleasure in knowing despite their talent, the art of everyone more talented than me will be forgotten forever thanks to societal collapse and the irreversible damage to the planet!
Art and beauty are my enemy.
Jealousy, envy, hatred. All I feel for art and artists. I've already won, when the last human drops dead and nothing more complex than insects inherit the earth, where is your talent now, fucking scum? Without an observer the greatest statue is some useless deformed rock, I hate art.
Every artist should be rounded up, blinded, lobotomized, their tendons and vocals chords cut! Their art burnt, like Plato said, like Plato wanted.

>>21239726
It really is. F Gardner is like the king of unintentionally memeable covers.

>>21239017
>That description

Holy based. How the fuck does F Gardner keep doing it?

>>21239017
This is a writer's forum, Gardner, not a forum for shill-spamming unedited garbage.
Come back when you've learned how to edit.

>>21235762
>If you hate that I make use of these tools I don't care.
It's isheartening that you felt the need to add that. If it works for you that works for me. It's not how I operate but we don't all work the same.

>>21233393
Jolting

>>21239049
>>21239076
>>21239106
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>>21239124
>>21239234
>>21239266
>>21239334
>>21239582
>>21239657
>>21239700
>>21239726
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>>21239826
>Gardner unabashedly jerking himself off in public
>>21239280
Writing is not a zero-sum game, pseud.
You literally believe the way to build yourself up is to tear others down.
This is exactly why everybody hates you.

>>21234635
>That's the problem, I can't come up with anything short that's good
Take a handful of scenes or a chapter from the would-be novel and write a self-contained short story about it. If you ever end up writing the novel, you can repurpose it.

>>21234959
Omniscient

Have these threads slowed down?

>>21239123
>work habits
>jobless NEET that lives with mommy and daddy despite being in his mid-30s

>This thread

Can anyone debunk this?
Or is this really true?

>>21240498
Nope it’s definitely true. Self pub books like Call of the Crocodile are unironically outselling almost all trad pub books.

>>21240504
This. Publishing houses just buy a ton of reviews to make it seem like their books are popular. Nobody reads them. Think about all the F Gardner discussions you see here compared to traditionally published works. Nobody talks about traditionally published books by comparison to Call of the Crocodile or whatever the latest trend happens to be. Otherwise people are usually just reading the same old books that have been considered classics as usual. It’s been like this for eons.

How do i improve?

>F Gardner releases yet another new book and /lit/ explodes

Simply speechless. He’s the only ecelebrity who can render this board unusual

>>21240596
Meant to say unusable.

>>21240596
It's all Gardner replying to himself.
None of it is true.
It's the only thing he has in common with traditional publishers.

>>21240544

Call of the Crocodile is great though. Although the jannies ban you for praising it. I've been banned liked three times for saying it's a masterpiece.

>>21240604
That’s just a cope and meme. I’ve talked to Gardner on discord and he never shills.

>>21240604
Call of the Crocodile and F Gardner have been memed hard here for I think 2 years now, mate. I think it’s partially because he was the first one to think to write a book and buy 4chan ads. He’s also completely retarded IRL which probably helped him become famous.

>>21240628
F Gardner greatly benefited from being the first. He also has 13 fucking books now.

>>21240584
Periods. Use them. Also your first paragraph needs to stop listing things off

>>21240617
Gardner's meme is as dead as David Hogg and Cindy Sheehan.
He doesn't sell squat anymore.
Here's the actual Amazon ranking for the brain-dropping known as "Horror's Call":
Day 1: #86000 (approx.)
Day 2: #202495
Day 3: #211347
Day 4: #320117
Day 5: #398533
Day 6: #495719
Day 7: #554727
Day 8: #632628
Day 9: #241052 (OMG! some sales!)
Day 10: #430088
Day 11: #531694
Day 12: #601990
Day 13: #682710
Day 14: #345984 (at least one sale!)
Day 15: #585473
Day 16: #319885 (an uptick!)
Day 17: #503796
Day 18: #548541
Day 19: #645383
Day 20: #693857
Day 21: #741098
Day 22: #799398
Day 23: #839245
Day 24: #870841
Day 25: #904290
Day 26: #933455
Day 27: #955237
Day 28: #983991
Day 29: #1014560
Day 30: #1043061
Day 31: #1067224
Day 32: #1097255
He's one in a million...but not for the reason he thinks.

>>21240498
The Virgin Penguin Random House vs the Chad Call of the Crocodile

Why do I have no talent?

>>21239017
based since this is the only guy here who can stick with a book plan more than a half a day.

>>21240628
I think it’s because Reddit eventually found out about F Gardner. It’s all like the perfect storm of autism. Read the first couple of pages from Call of the Crocodile and you’ll see what I mean. Call of the Crocodile is like The Room of literature.

>>21240649
>>21240131
Hey Boswell, do you wanna do an interview for the Unreal podcast?

>>21239017
A horror book about machine elves actually sounds really cool.

>>21240676
You guys ever going to do another F Gardner podcast? I would honestly listen to that.

You guys new F Gardner book just dropped

>>21240696
Link to video?

Where would I publish a series of slow, dialogue-heavy short stories based on the premise that interstellar travel by beings like humans is almost never possible?

Where would I publish a series of slow, dialogue-heavy short stories based on the premise that interstellar travel by beings like humans is almost never possible?
(I was redirected from /sffg/)

>>21240792
Thanks, helpful redirector.

Didn't feel like writing at all today.
1.2k words.
I hope you guys manage something of the like on your off days as well.
BTW I just started eating pringles five years out of date.
Wish me luck.

>>21236601
Just a few quick comments:

1. You use too much abstract language. Don't explain the general pattern of the narrator's relationship with his cat. Just say he left out some tuna. Context and explanations are confusing if they don't help the reader understand the core narrative. Even if the information is relevant, don't meander. "Tell then show" is worst than just telling.

2. If information does not help the reader understand the narrative or reveal character (which will also be relevant to the narrative) then it should be taken out. This passage sets up a little plot, but it mostly reveals the character of the narrator, and what we learn could come in far fewer words.

The first five paragraphs could be condensed into four or five sentences with nothing of value lost. The narrator himself is saying this stuff is routine.

Not trying to be discouraging, but the early stages of learning to write are about brutal efficiency.

>>21234390
>WE'RE GOING TO SMOKE THIS METH
you got me kek

>>21234390
Some good fun in here.
The style is damn good when it's good, but it's also like a bizarre barrage of contorted imagery and confusion. You're great at accomplishing that feeling, however if I were to offer a critique - I would say it needs grace periods in between for the reader to collect themselves for a moment.
But, the point could be to warp and twist the reader's mind throughout. If that's the case - mission accomplished.

>>21231595
Victor's body strolled around the room, admiring Daniela's naked beauty. He was standing completely naked beside the bed. He watched without letting any expression show on his face. He saw every form of Daniela and passed his gaze over her details as if she were an oil paint in an art gallery.
Her dark body was resting. Completely naked, and with no covering on top. Victor lay on the edge of the bed, looking out the closed window. He couldn't see anything through the glass, just a few blurs of light and color.
He looked at Daniela's room, messy, some things out of place. It looked like her. Was comfortable, and made him pay attention to things. In the details, see where the mess was, and where it should be.
"It's like looking at you twice." He said to himself, very quietly. Victor got up slowly, not wanting to wake her. Still naked, he opened the window and admired the view.
It was right on top of the Favela of the German's complex. “It's hard to get here, but then it's hard to leave.” Victor spoke. “Not just for Daniela.”
The view from the top of the hill, capturing all the good places in Rio de Janeiro, made Victor sigh. He looked up the stairs outside, the houses huddled one on top of the other, like dominos. In the distance he saw lights from the corridors. The bridge that led to Niterói always caught his eye.
After a few minutes of admiring the landscape, a touch came over Victor's body, and he could feel Daniela's hands hugging him and sliding on his chest and belly.
"Why didn't you go back to bed?" Daniela asked.
"I didn't want to disturb your sleep, you seemed to be sleeping so well, that I didn't want to disturb you."
"It wouldn't get in the way, it was just knowing the right time to arrive, and how"
Victor closed the window and turned towards Daniela. She was a beautiful brunette, with long curly hair, dark brown eyes, and a brown olive skin that always seemed to be glowing. A wide, cotton-shaped mouth that matched the square shape of her chin.
"I like it when you look at me like that." Daniela spoke.
“And I like to look at you, my bonbon” Victor kissed Daniela. Short and sensitive like two rivers meet. It was the softness of the water, and the subtlety of the wet earth.
"I like it when you kiss me like that." Daniela spoke.
“That mouth always seems to be calling me, always asking for my attention, I couldn't speak directly to it, but I can at least make that gesture.” Victor kissed Daniela again.
Victor's hand slid down her back, and they were firmly squeezing her hip. She had a voluminous and well-groomed body, a soft and big ass, Victor's hand was small near Daniela's curves.
"Let's go back to bed." Daniela spoke. With a smile on her face.
Some insights?

>>21240654
Comparing too much.

Anyone know if F Gardner’s new book is out in paperback?

>>21241309
IDK. I’m reading the ebook.

>>21241309
It never ceases to amaze me just how popular F Gardner is around here and that you guys regularly read his books.

>working on a sinister neo-noir psychological crime thriller about an underworld bodyguard/bagman/general crime mr fixit who is tasked with tracking down and retrieving the daughter of a mafia underboss who he discovers has been brainwashed and initiated into an elite pedo death cult
I'm still in the story development and outline phase and I was wondering if anyone knew of existing books or movies that had covered this territory?

>>21241373
I mean, F Gardner’s the oldest and biggest eceleb we’ve got here. Call of the Crocodile was at least worth the read for the twist that came out of nowhere.

>>21241309
>>21241368
>>21241373
>>21241381
fuck off frank

aaaaannnnd gardener and his bots have returneth.

He's back to shitting up the thread until the one /lit/ janny catches wind of it and deletes all of his posts again (he still doesn't realise the jannies and mods can see when he's samefagging and says they're just butthurt)

>>21240671
Gardner used to post on Reddit, but his account got suspended.
https://reddit.com/comments/j7poea

How do I get more readers to my author website? I am banned off amazon and smashwords so my last chance to earn money is off my own website.

>>21242119
What did you do to get banned from those sites?

>>21231584
test

>>21231584
First batch of 600 books is about to hit the market next month. I feel giddy in a way i haven't since being single digit age some days before christmas.
Yeah it's being published by a small publishing house so basically they just wanna see if it has potential to sell or not. I, however, couldn't care less if it does since IT'S GONNA BE FUCKING OUT THERE!
Keep going bros, WAGMI.

of course i won't say anything about it. I don't wanna be associated in any way with fucking Gardner and all the other shillers on here

>>21242119
>I am banned off amazon and smashwords
That takes some doing. There's a story there.

How do I advertise?

>>21242217
Good luck. I just hope your soul doesn't get crushed if/when your books don't move.

>>21242157
>>21242231
If he's banned off Smashwords then it's probably pedophilia since that's the only thing Smashwords doesn't allow

I came across pic related while reading a blog and it made me think: are there any craft books that focus on prose throughout history rather than merely teaching you what the author thinks is "good"? Something that goes over the various movements in literature and the canon.

Does anyone else find trying to write a daily quota of words or pages ineffective? I'm finding that I get much better results and actually make more progress if I write when I feel like it and and stop when I don't, regardless of word count.

>>21242455
I cant write when I feel like it because I'm a procastinator. I have to make a habit of automatically opening my documents and writing something before I enjoy it. I can rationalize away from anything if I start to think about alternatives.

>>21242455
It all depends on the focus. I am ESL and don't have intrisic motivation to write, so I need schedule and commitment to churn out wordcount and hone the writing skill the hard way.

If you are a native who writes for himself or due to strong internal motivation, then writing on schedule is of no need to you, unless you have some personal reason to finish your work before X deadline.

However, I assume that without schedule sooner or later you are going to hit a writing block or similar, which will lead you to a long stretch of unproductivity.

>>21242473
>which will lead you to a long stretch of unproductivity.
that does happen, but if I try to force words out on some schedule, I just sit there staring at the screen until I turn off the computer. If I were trying to write as my main source of income I think I would have to try to schedule my writing so that I could meet deadlines, but at present, I just write for fun and to hopefully get published. I already have a full-time job.

>>21242535
You can try what Gaiman does which is to set aside some time in which you either write or do nothing but not anything else. After a while of just staring at the screen and getting bored, writing will be preferable.

>>21242566
Thats actually genius, thanks Gaiman. I'd read your books but you're an anglo and a cuckold so I'm not going to poison my brain with you.

>>21242217
What's it about?

>>21241219
Good. Some things need be revised but overall you've got it.

It's an author can't handle if every review isn't five stars episode.

It’s an F Gardner publishes a new book episode

>>21239479
>>21239488
>>21239493
>>21239500
>>21239509
>>21239519
>>21239525
>>21239530
Review mine for good luck and enormous success in the next year.

>>21242777
I may or may not have made an anon give up for giving a 3 despite my praise. Makes me sad.

>want to write a lawyer
>dont know a lot about law
>do some research
>it wouldnt even apply
What do?

>>21243214
Pass the bar

Wait... If I get traditionally published the publisher will still just toss it on Amazon?

>>21243227
Heh.
I'll keep the cadence and mix it with another topic.

>>21243234
why wouldn't they?

>>21243239
I thought they'll help put it on Barnes and noble and help me sell it. That said is publishing on B&N better or Amazon? Kindle or Nook?

>>21243214
Courthouses are (generally) open to the public, go and watch how they operate
>t. Law student

>>21231584
Has anybody managed to grow their affection towards writing from the point of feeling total indifference and treating it as a tedious chore? In other words, forcibly, willingly learned how to love writing, that is, the process itself? I am conflicted by the sheer pointlessness of pushing through a closed door, but at the same time hold a firm opinion that it is not a matter of talent, and that the things you struggle with tend to be the most rewarding once you master them. Yet I just can't bring myself to overcome this, all the same.

It's been a while, but NaNoWriMo has pushed me to continue where I left off. The Kill List has a new chapter, any feedback is very much appreciated.

https://www.royalroad.com/fiction/54622/the-kill-list

Holy shit F Gardner’s new book is one of the most fucking brutal and metal books I have ever read. I can’t believe it’s taken me so long to finally board this meme-train of insanity.

>>21243545
This is kinda good, I'm impressed. I wouldn't say its a masterwork or anything but after reading the first chapter I'm excited to see where it goes. I don't have any feedback about your prose really, I think its fine. There are some plot things that don't really make sense to me but It's too late to change that now, and they're not such a big deal that I think they break the story. Nice job!

>>21243545
Glad to see more of this. Will read after dinner.

>>21240654
You spend all day bitching about having talent instead of practicing.

>>21235281
Will go back and change the tenses, will keep that in mind from here forward, thank you anon.

>>21243249
What are you talking about? A publisher should get your book to every retailer out there. If it's only available at Amazon, you've been scammed

>>21242973
If you fags could produce anything even worth 3 stars, this place would be a lot better

>>21243607
Hey, thanks for that. If you ever dive further into it, I'd love to hear more thoughts on it. It started out as a kind of fun writing exercise and has turned into me taking it pretty seriously, so this first draft on RR will be reworked once it's all on paper.

Reworked enough to line things up, fix out prose, etc.

>>21243610
Hope you enjoy, friend.

>>21243652
Wtf I can't handle this review.

>>21243652
I make a point of not reviewing anyone who openly declares postership here. Because lets be honest, they have enough shit to deal with already.

Where can I post work where ratings have to come with a review? In all seriousness, I won't want to have to put up with anonymous retards giving arbitrary ratings with zero explanation. I would actually rather see "Lol u sux big tiem lmao 0/5" than a purely anonymous rating, because at least then I would know that the person giving the shit rating is a mongoloid whose opinion I don't have to take seriously and who isn't downrating because of an actual flaw.
Is there some site like this?

>>21243845
>Where can I post work where ratings have to come with a review? In all seriousness, I won't want to have to put up with anonymous retards giving arbitrary ratings with zero explanation. I would actually rather see "Lol u sux big tiem lmao 0/5" than a purely anonymous rating, because at least then I would know that the person giving the shit rating is a mongoloid whose opinion I don't have to take seriously and who isn't downrating because of an actual flaw.
>Is there some site like this?
There was some subreddit for people reviewing reach other writings, /destructivereaders or something like that. Aside of that, Royalroad and similar sites have 1 to 5 ratings, but you are always asked to do a proper review with different ratings for different aspects, i.e grammar, story, characters etc.

>>21243880
>Royalroad and similar sites have 1 to 5 ratings, but you are always asked to do a proper review with different ratings for different aspects, i.e grammar, story, characters etc.
Yeah no though, RR has an anonymous system where you can just skip a few chapters in and drop a 0.5 rating with no consequence and no explanation. People do this regularly to sabotage their competition, and the mods refuse to do anything about it. SH is also the same. That's the whole reason I don't want to post there.

>>21243652
Perhaps you’ve somehow never heard of Call of the Crocodile. Word on the street is that’s supposed to be a five star novel.

Is it considered jarring to switch back and forth between the limited third person perspectives of two different characters in the scene as they are in dialogue?

>>21244225
No. F Gardner does that all the time.

Can someone critique my short story?

https://dickhicks.wordpress.com/2022/11/11/the-therapist-manipulates-her-client-mf-18-manipulation-femdom-first-time-dub-con/

>>21244278
Terrible writing and even more terrible as smut.

Nobody wants to read about a crying weak pussy boy. and the sex scene is horrible.

>Then it happened. She started to masturbate him faster and faster, and he felt his entire lower half build up into something completely earth-shattering and amazing and all round terrifying. Unbeknown to Daniel, he would forever associate sex with Mrs. Davis and syrupy vanilla because at that moment, that precise moment, he felt it; he felt it like the vagueness of a dream, or the sea’s vapour before the sun, and the whole world was obliterated into nothingness as he came all over her soft white hand. At that moment, he was ready to die.
this is more hilarious than sexy

The penultimate chapter!
https://pastebin.com/K9EqbCj8

you guys never answer my questions

>>21244597
>entitled

>>21244320
really?

How would you improve it? I am trying to write like pulp noir authors.

>>21243845
scribophile dot com

I post stuff there sometimes. You have to critique before you post. Most critiques are helpful. There was a /lit/ group going for awhile.

>>21244720
it's your metaphors. Tone it down
>entire lower half build up into something completely earth shattering
What? his pelvis is going to explode?

>Then it happened. Her palm slid against the backside of his member. Daniel could do nothing but allow her fingers tease the tip - her touches tantalized his lower regions with feelings he never felt before. It terrified him. It was a nightmare he could not escape from; a whole world of pleasure erupted over her soft hand. At that moment, he was washed with shame and guilt. Feelings that caused tears to escape from the unease built inside.

>>21244753
pulp writers got away with it.

Raymond chandler seemed to get away with it.

>>21245009
Heh.

>>21243545
This was legitimately enjoyable. A little irritated that Chapter 5 ended on a cliff hanger, but if you continue writing, that's forgiveable.

How do you write gamelike power progression that actually reads like the protagonist is organically trying to build a strategy and skillset within the ruleset, and not just gradually being turned into the guy in the cover art by a sequence of coincidences and handwave excuses?

>>21243545
want this added to the author pastebin?

>>21245085
read sanderson for peak videogame wank fantasy

I write random chapters of interesting moments that pop in my head and connect them to make a coherent story.

Im fucking banned from amazon and smashwords and soon to be reddit. Is there any fucking way I can make a living as an author now? I just want to make money writing

>>21245165
>write random chapters
>story makes absolutely no fucking sense
>the entire tone of the story is now bumfuckoutofnowhere
>hero is stupid as shit
>but make the hero smart, it's now gary stu
>can't fucking win anywhere

>>21245200
Patreon retard

>>21245200
You're on fire today, as it were.
What did you do to get banned from Reddit?
Apparently you want more than to just make money writing.

>>21245200
wtf did you do? write child erotica or something

>>21244597
I once asked if getting aroused while writing a male on make rape scene meant I was gay. I’m pretty sure they told me “no.”

>>21245009
Did he actually fucking say this?

>>21245233
yeah, its a direct quote

>>21245209
posted my work on reddit for feedback and got mass reported by trolls for breaking TOS AKA they lure people to post their work and then kill competition

>>21241374
Sounds a bit like 'You Were Never Really Here'.

>>21245253
Quit kvetching and post it here then.

>>21245253
Jesus Christ. Then these retards wonder why their own writing sucks. In it for the wrong reasons.

>>21245253
How did it break TOS? What was it?

>>21245253
Yeah but what did you write?

>>21245061
I promise chapter 6 isn't long in the works. Thanks for giving it a chance.

>>21245114
That'd be kind of you!

>>21245292
>>21245275
I agree with them it's just i was getting away with it until i posted a link to my account in their reddit thread.

Hmm, I wonder why you got "banned for incest" this time.

Let's see…

You stole one or more photos of famous models and used them for your covers. That's copyright infringement.

Repeatedly used the word "fuck" in your titles and descriptions.

Had graphic nudity on your covers where some of the women's breasts were barely covered.

Put your books in categories other than erotica.

Used a stolen photo for your author profile pic. More copyright infringement.

Published a book that was essentially necrophilia.

And going off your comment, I'd say you maybe had too much gratuitous violence in your incest rape short which might have triggered a review of your entire account.

In short: you knowingly went against Amazon's ToS by publishing incest, got banned by them, and continued to go against not one but four of Smashwords' erotica guidelines.

So whether it was the incest or not, you were effectively sitting on a ticking time bomb.

and then another one

You cannot be mad when you are violating the terms and agreements on these websites. You can sell your content on your own website if you disagree with the terms on another website like Amazon.

I have a terms and agreement on my website and members are required to follow the rules. If they don't like the rules, then they may leave. It's not a violation of anybody rights. Follow the rules or leave. It's that simple.

>>21245298
I called the mod power hungry and I just got banned permanently lmao

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No context spoilers
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GJHbLH5D_NY
https://youtu.be/lT79QSJk98s?t=145
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=K9Bo-NCn_2g&t=9s

>>21245298
>don't even attempt to follow ToS
>deliberately put porn in non-porn sections
I don't know what the fuck you expected.

>>21245305
that is a lie. I put erotica where erotica was supposed to go

>>21245309
Okay we still have
>Don't even attempt to follow ToS
>Banned for not following ToS
I don't know what the fuck you expected.

New thread
>>21245302

>>21245298
>>21245301
Yeah, I don't know what you expected with all that. You're still too based for this world, though. Holy kek.

>>21245298
>>21245301
I think I would hate you if we met IRL but you do sound based in your own fashion

Write a story about this picture.

>>21231595
midwit

>>21231909
this

Can I get an honest critique of my prose?


Out of doors grows drooping tree limbs with verdant fan leaves latticed over each other like playing cards, the sunlight casting its layered green-tint between patchworks of fan shade blooming above. All about is the deep smell of ferns desiccating in the tropic sun, its essence drawn out by the powerful heat to wander wraithlike beneath autumn laden boughs. Spanish columns rising out of centennial walls, stone hewed tightly with playing vines climbing interstices, topped with pale green tiles like freed shells cresting a wave. Low shrubbery with broad leaves fanning like a vermillion current from treeline to treeline whispering in their soft tongues to the deepening sun as the breeze measuredly sweeps it away.
We are heading there now. Packed 5 deep in a rust-spotted Jeep over mud causeways and living grass. The cool evening air running over us and up shirt sleeves and collars, each damp with a last cooling layer of jungle sweat. The heat of the day having expended the might of its power; now: cool evening in her dewdrop gown.
-Are we nearly there Miguel? A
-Si Senor, We are only four or five miles away M
-Hmm
-You must be ready to start filming huh?
-Not necessarily, but how did you know?
-Know what?
-Know that we were part of the documentary crew?
-Ohhh, You guys have a pretty specific look
Unsure how to take that one I turn from his laughter. The sun bleeding crimson on hanging vines and slouched flowers breathing sweetly over this nourished landscape. Back home is the cold. Withering winter in its dry bite spreading coals of its intensity pressuring hotly on the mind. No snow on the ground to restore a piecemeal of humidity to the air. Lines outside of actor’s auditions, towering stone bulks of buildings their presence imposing like the void that they evoked. Sleeping shrunken and shivering out of sight in the backseat of a green Toyota. Ramen Noodles half cooked out of metalcold microwaves. But here, the cup that is poured over is poured over once more. Faye gods and gnomish tricksters run beneath taut stalks shimmering, their grinning faces ducking behind bug laden barks in the forest’s screen. They love this land because it is living and it is living because they love it. The rich earth hiding their burrows with the bones of conquistadors and dinosaurs alike. Life living on life living on life. Turning their faces from the dead to drink deep from that cup overflowing.

>>21245379
"Damn, is this a building for manlets or something?" she said to herself. Manlets could be anywhere. With high heels you can go anywhere.

>>21245301
>>21245298
you really have to go back

How do you write a fight scene with one protagonist versus multiple opponents?

>>21242589
i'd say it's about the only plausible and reasonable post apocalyptic version of our world that would somehow remain in that post apocalyptic state for longer than a few decades. Plot is basically finding out what's happened. That's all the hints i can give. Appreciate the interest (though i'm assuming you're mostly wondering in relation to figuring out your own chances of getting published). Good luck!

>>21240654
Talent is relative. You don't have to be top 1000 or renowned to have talent. For some reason writers set a far higher bar for themselves; that if you're not pushing literary boundaries, or don't have prose or ideas like the upper echelons of writers, you're not good at writing etc. Always struck me as bizarre. You can be a talented _insert sport_ without being an Olympian.