/lit/ - Literature

HARRY POTTER IS NOT LITERATURE

STOP WITH THIS GAY SHIT ALL OF YOU PLEASE

>>2107924
Is there some sort of official registry where books are decided as literature?

>>2107928
"Literature" refers to well-written works of some originality.

Harry Potter is derivative garbage. Quddich is probably the only original idea in the whole thing full of 3-headed dogs, gryphens, witches, unicorns, and other ideas that have been done to death.

>>2107920
As the series became more popular the author started to cater to a larger, dumber audience.

>I can name a dozen completed fan stories that ended the series much better than she did.

YOURE FUCKING GAY SHUT UP AND DELETE THIS THREAD OR REPOST YOUR QUESTION IN ONE OF THE TEN THOUSAND OTHER THREADS ABOUT FANTASY BOOKS WHERE YOU DREGS JERK EACH OTHER OFF ABOUT WHATEVER BABBY'S FIRST NON-PICTURE-BOOK YOU JUST READ

>>2107939
but seriously, my good friend: why are you so angry?

she actually admitted to reading tons of harry potter fanfiction so it's really not surprising that her already mediocre writing deteriorated even further

>>2107940
Capsguy needs a high colonic. He has been irritable as shit, lately.

But, in his defense, we get a billion Harry Potter/ GRRM/ Robert Jordan / Discworld / Wheel of Time threads every fucking day. It's getting tiring.

>>2107920
>Obese cunt ginger stay at home mother somehow defeats the Dark Lord's personally trained, psychotic follower who was feared by the strongest of aurors/good wizard warriors.

fuck, that really pissed me off too. "Not my daughter you bitch!" such terrible writing and as you said inconsistent with what was written about both characters

>>2107940
well friend, while this board was ostensibly set up so that we could be funny while discussing the western canon, it irks me that for every good thread, there seem to be at least ten for Game of Thrones/Harry Potter/Lord of the Rings/whatever. that's my first bone to pick; that threads with greater potential to provoke thought, or greater potential for comedy, are pushed off page 15 by an endless series of nearly-identical threads that don't get many replies.

it's not that people enjoy those types of books that bothers me. we all read mindless books from time to time, just because we love reading and it's mentally taxing to constantly grapple with greater works of literature. reading can be a great escape, and a fantasy novel is no different.

but see, i worked in a bookstore. the fantasy section was the smallest section except for poetry, and almost without exception, i can say that the people you would find browsing that section were unsavory manchildren. as such, i am filled with revulsion when people discuss fantasy novels online. the same goes for people who discuss anime and manga! i picture them, pimpled, hanks of greasy hair falling across their thick glasses, while they discuss a topic that i, and serious academia, dismiss out of hand.

i rail against you and yours because i cannot do otherwise. i see you as vermin. i realize that my struggle is futile, and based on some sort of superiority complex, but don't you understand? these books are so childish.

also, you're a faggot.

>>2107959
nah bro, i'm reading journey to the end of the night and crime and punishment right now and am enjoying both very much. it's just that i currently want to discuss another great piece of western canon right now, harry potter

>>2107965
i am not your bro, bro faggot.

>>2107965
If you think Harry Potter is part of the Western Canon, you're worse off than I originally thought.

>>2107980
bein' serious on the internet with my bros

nothin i love more

>>2107973
THANKS FOR BUMPING THIS GUY'S THREAD AND CONTINUING MY ARGUMENT WHICH WAS ALREADY OVER AND DONE WITH

LEARN TO SAGE

>>2107980
>The term Western canon denotes a canon of books and, more broadly, music and art that have been the most important and influential in shaping Western culture.
>-wikipedia on Western canon

Harry Potter has had an effect on Western culture, man. No one would be reading this generation without it and it's brought the magic of magic to the Western world.

>>2107982
Oops.

Did I just reply to your post without saging? Tee-hee.

Your sage is worth dick. Get a clue.

>>2107959
>the western canon
>greater potential to provoke thought

>>2107984
I'm pretty sure HP isn't Western Canon, but yes, /lit/izens need to stop being butthurt about what books are discussed here, they can just ignore the threads.

>>2108001
Nah, they have a right to be buttheart. I get where they coming from. Nobody's really in the right here, everyone is dumb and all these posts are shit.

We're here to discuss how shit Harry potter is, not how shit this board is.

Albus Severus? James Sirius? Honestly Joanne Kathleen, can you be any more retardedly fangirlish?

>>2107996
fucking lol'd so hard at pic for some reason

HP 1-4 kept building on the world and what was possible, and set the stage well for the villain's return. 5-7 made voldemort, whose past was well characterized, into a saturday morning cartoon villain, angst reared its ugly head, and the MC went from a wide-eyed child looking at a world of magic to an annoying bratjust like all of /lit/

Sometimes I wish she used a ghost writer for the second half of the series. Even the romance was horribly done. She shoe horned in two attractions that were never there. That beast in his gut thing for Ginny the red head whore just made me feel queasy. Came out of nowhere and felt like a teenage girl wrote it.

>>2108033
>Ginny the red head whore

welp

Why are people so surprised that Rowling phoned-it-in, the last half of the series?

She could have smeared her feces onto 1,000 pages instead and people would still have lined up to purchase it.

Of course the quality is going to suck when there's this feel of "eh, it doesn't matter. These people will buy it, no matter what it is."

>>2107959

>>has never experienced the touch of a woman
>>hurr durr look at all these manchildren enjoying their wizard books

>>2108055
Indeed, the series seemed to go on a downturn after everyone started throwing money at her with the books, movies, video games, and what else.

Captcha: "potters alitysc"
Translated for butthurts in this thread: "potters a lit yes". Harry Potter is literature :)

>>2108055
The point is Rowling is a bitch and a writer should have more pride in their work

Write the book, the story, for your own satisfaction. Otherwise what was the point of writing in the first place?

>>2108084
Well, she doesn't have pride in her work. She has pride in her check book.

Now you know what Harry Potter is worth to so much as the author.

Book 3 was the best and last good book. Didn't even have voldy in it. Much better in my opinion. No evil-good fight

>>2108089
The third movie was the best too, although that was mostly due to the director of Children of Men and noted Mexican, Alfonso Cuaron

>>2108096
For some reason I keep thinking it was directed by Guilliermo Del Toro.

And then I realize it wasn't. And then I wish it was.

im still waiting on a Harry Potter MMORPG. we could start a /lit/ guild and go through Hogwarts together :)

>>2108096
the third movie was shit

>>2108104
The guild would be full of Ravenclaws and Slytherins. Ravenclaw because we like to read and we like knowledge and Slytherin because half of us are racist, self righteous cunts

>>2108118
Hufflepuff would probably be well represented as well since this board is full of stoners. Gryffindor would be the least represented though.

bump

>The strongest, darkest
>feared by the strongest of aurors/good wizzard warriors
Protip: Nobody in the rest of the world gave a shit about Voldemort. Nobody cared, because he was just a small-town, two-bit wizard outlaw in London.

ITT Pretentious hipsters who keep their noses up in the air because their literature is somehow better than a grossly selling modern day series.

>>2107959
this has to be a troll post.

>>2108226
If it is he's spent an awful lot of buck for a pretty tepid bang.

Why are /lit/ trolls so much more prolific with their word count than in other boards?

>>2108230
Probably because /lit/ is learned and likes to assert their opinions, and anyone who disagrees with you is a troll.

"600 word opinion"
"lol troll"

>>2108232
He's not just asserting an opinion, he's calling us names and making fun of our assumed appearance.

>>2108237
Good one, troll.

>>2108250
>unsavory manchildren
>superiority complex
>vermin
>it's mentally taxing to constantly grapple with greater works of literature
>i picture them, pimpled, hanks of greasy hair falling across their thick glasses
>you're a faggot.

He is calling us dumb, stupid, ugly, immature, gay etc etc etc. Please tell me how he is not calling us names and making fun of our assumed appearance?
Also not that guy you replied to my first post in this thread.

>>2108230
It's not trolling if it's well-developed.

>>2108264

such piercing insight...you are clearly a paragon of enlightenment

tell us more please

>>2108278
I'm so enlightened that i can speak on his behalf.

U AR NIGER

>>2108264
This guy is a genius debater, no ad hominens or nothing

>calling Harry Potter books childish
>coming into the thread having a tantrum like a 7 year old

Also

>creating a persona which is tantamount to being a tripfag
>using it to try and dictate what can and can't happen on the board

Please stop doing these things. Hide the threads or grow up.

>>2108287
>ad hominens
YOURE AN IDIOT

>>2108296
I'm not sure if this is supposed to be ironic...

>>2108304
you may just be an idiot. no irony.

Insults all over the place. What happened to the nice, kind /lit/ I used to know and love? ;_;

>>2108311
FUCK. YOU.

>>2108311
I think OP is from /b/ and he brought a few friends to help him ridicule us...

OP here, I just wanted to discuss Harry Potter. ;__;

>>2108311
Tripfags and people stopping posting; it now makes shitposters/idiots the majority as the entitlement on display in this thread has shown

>>2107934
Actually you're pretty wrong there. Literature refers to writings that are of everlasting interest. But yeah Harry Potter is pop fiction.

maybe you just grew up

Discussion of popular books is not allowed on /lit/. The masses will eat up any shit that a hack writer like Rowling poops out. Only fine, deep, meaningful works like Robinson Crusoe, Tom Jones, Les Miserables, Gulliver's Travels, and Moby Dick, books that can only be appreciated by glorious intellects such as the ones you'll find on /lit/, are appropriate for discussion here.

You've got to admit, though, the Harry Potter universe is the best fictional one created so far, just barely nudging past the Dresden Files.

>>2109713
>potter
>better than dresden files
.... 7/10

I stopped caring about the "literature" whiners after about the 10th time I saw the same Bukowski thread.

>>2108941
Do I detect a mild hint of sarcasm there?

What I dont like about the epilogue is this.
Son: Hey dad i dont want to go to slythering
Harry: no lol slytherin is not bad snape was slytherin and was good
Son: so does this mean gryffindor isnt good and slytherin is the house of the evil kids like the books said?
Harry: No just kidding you can just not go to slytherin if you ask the hat xD


it reeks with black and white, they added the whole dumbledore story bullshit and made harry use unforgivable curses to show they're not perfect, but it still sounds like done in a half-attempt to save some face

>>2109713

The Potterverse is careful to explain nothing. At all. It's not a complete universe. It literally used 'magic, dont have to explain shit' as an excuse. Where does magic come from? Why are there no downsides to having power? Why are all the wizards and witches so complacent and easily confused by normal things in the muggle world? Why are they so BAD at EVERYTHING? Why can't thousands of wizards stop one asshole with their combined might by divining him and binding him? There's no system of laws or reason in that world; it's internally inconsistent and written entirely train of thought.

The world of Harry potter is, at best, incomplete. It's a concept for a world that never got fleshed out or had basic questions answered.

>>2110222 The Potterverse is careful to explain nothing.

That's good editing.

>>2110222
PROTIP: magic comes from midichlorians.

>>2110253
>Star Wars....

>>2110222
>>2110083
>don't understand they're reading novels written for children.

>>2109713
what?!

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>>2110277

And ya done.

>>2110277
I bet you are this guy >>2109713 and you sir are a fuck ton of stupid comparing children books to the likes of The Dresden Files.
Kindly go fuck yourself.

>>2110222
You don't have to explain how things work to make a good universe. The great scifi books don't explain how faster than light travel or "hyperspace" or what have you works, it's just there for the story, characters, and universe's sake.

OPs analysis largely correct.

Main problem was Voldemort- kept getting ass kicked, stopped being credible as bigbad.

>>2110605

I'm not saying explain everything. I'm saying explain ANYTHING.

Literally, we have a world here based on magic that has no fucking idea what magic even is. It's the keystone of the world and it's literally glossed over.

Now, of course, this wouldn't come out in the early books. They were written for kids. However, the conceptualization of the series is defined by maturing to meet those same readers when each novel was released. By the end of the series, the novels were going out to late teens/early 20's readers. Adults.

If you're going to critique the world, you have to take into consideration that it was eventually supposed to mature to adult standards, and it never did. What you end up with is a setting that collapses in on itself when someone asks a one word question: Why?

>the first four books were setting Harry up to be an epic badass

The first book is a book for 12 year olds, what's epic and badass about that?

>The feel of her mother’s tongue in her ass and her brother’s cock pumping into her pussy are too much for little Ginny and she shoves her hips straight down, burying her brother’s cock in her pussy as a shockwave passes through her body, clenching every muscle. With a scream, her fluids leak down on her brother, coating his thighs with a warm, sticky substance.
>As her fluids keep leaking down, Ron grabs her sister’s hips and pumps in and out until the pressure is too much and he, too, comes, filling his sister with spurts of his seed.
>Molly meanwhile, is still getting off watching her two children, and when she sees her son’s ball sack clench against his body in orgasm, she comes as well, thinking of his hot cum filling her daughter’s pussy.

Fan fiction is indeed superior to the books

>Be a stupid, lazy, weak idiot who gets by with luck and help from others.

that's how every harry potter book operates. It was stupid luck that he "killed" Quirrell, defeated the giant snake, he didn't do anything at all in Azkaban, it was dumb luck that he got in the tournament, passed each event, and escaped from Voldemort.

>>2110222

If you're mad about that, look up Harry Potter and the Methods of Rationality. It's actually surprisingly good at - err - rationalising all the ridiculous crap in the Harry Potter verse.

>>2110840
hnnng, nothing's hotter than incest

I don't get it, he's not badass in ANY of the books.

It's not a book about harry being crazy gosu or anything. It's a book about harry being able to overcome basically everything, BUT with the help of other people, he didn't do jack shit on his own.

>>2111115
He did the patronus on his own and overcame the imperio on his own braheim

>implying Neville Longbottom isn't the most badass character in all of Harry Potter

The thing I find really funny is that a lot of threads that are about serious topics / serious literature are rarely seen this days and if there are any, they are gone after a day.
On the other hand threads about Game of Thrones or Harry Potter seem to be created by the hour and stay here for days.

Even though you I always read that Harry Potter or Game of Thrones is shit, it seems its the only thing a lot of people here have read... fucking pretentious retards.

>>2111235
He's also the character most like us here on 4chan (without the racism)

>>2111251
That is because i lurk /lit and when i see these threads i pin them to my tab after a while i give it a bump, then the flood gates open wide. Again i though take no part in creating the thread and if someone makes a new one i post the threads link and tell them to delete it that way you get all in one thread so the mods can delete all at once.

>>2111335
..... it was you....I always wondered how threads that were up since Friday were still around on Tuesday the next week....

>>2111416
This is a quality thread, of course it would still be up days later.

>>2111510
>harry is gay
>potterverse better than dresdenverse
>quality thread
Sure it is

A constant daydream of mine was that I attended Hogwarts and was a wizard in that wonderful magical world. I was so bummed on my eleventh birthday. :/

>>2111669
DUDE same boat, i even thought that harry got some pussy from cho when they were in teh room of requirement

>>2111687
where the hell did sage come from? Man 4chan plus be broken

i used to dream that Hermione was my girlfriend. until she turned into a cunt in the last three books

>>2111698
>until she turned into a cunt in the last three books

welp

seriously, /lit/, can we not be terrible, at least for a little while? can we not have terrible opinions + use bigoted language? is that really too much to ask?

>>2111707
Sorry for using a bad word. :/ I get caught up in the anonymity sometimes.

Harry Potter is a decent literary series. It showcases prejudice, the power of friendship, luck, fate, and most importantly our choices. It's a modern Aesop's Fables.

>>2111707
>welp

Seriously, /lit/, can we not be illiterate, at least for a little while? Can we not have terrible grammar and spell like a fucktard? Is that really too much to ask?

>>2107920
My first gay experience was watching Harry Potter.

I haven't read the books yet but I'm thinking of getting the audiobooks for my commute. However, I see there are two readers. Which version is the better audiobook?

>>2113238
stephen fry, hth