/lit/ - Literature

>>21012214
if you wanna get laid i can teach you anon

>>21012254
I'm at a point where I don't believe anyone who says they've found the secret behind it. They must all be grifters and the blackpill must've gotten popular as a realisation of this fact.

>>21012214
Probably not, picking up chicks in a club and online dating share a lot in common, main thing is standing out and tricking the roastie into feeling a "spark"

>>21012214
Tinder killed it.

>>21012214
If you're not tall and good looking don't even bother trying
Infant mooch off the government and never work
NO PUSSY NO WORK NO PUSSY NO PEACE

>>21012671
*Infact mooch off the government

Either you’re:

A.) Rich and have status (celebrity, company exec, athlete, politician, etc.)

or

B.) Some combination of tall, handsome, fit, fashionable


Anything else and you’re deluding yourself. The fact that you’re asking means you’re neither. You can fix some of B(haircut, clothes, grooming) and you can strive for A(get rich, get famous) though that’s a lot harder.

Anything else is cope.

PUA is a scam and has been exposed by lookism. PUA scammers will tell you it's all about "game" while in reality it's all about looks. Your "game" can be excellent, you can be the most charismatic and funny guy, but if you're a manlet with an ugly face and a high voice, women will always reject or ignore you. PUA only sells the illusion that you could change something or that you had control over being perceived as (un)attractive, even though scientifically it's all about the genes. PUA is just as immoral and wrong as psychotherapy.

>>21012378
This

>>21012768
After all this while I wish I had given up when I was just 17. Now I am turning 29 and finding other things to care about. Reading etc. But it hurts. Also drop the frog. Be creative, you.

>>21012644
/thread

>>21012644
>use tinder
>have a horrible time faking shallow conversations with women i don't actually like
>strike-out cringe is painful
>develop a thick callous of indifference
>blunt my emotions and go through the motions
>get used to it
>finally start getting successes
>momentarily excited
>most are the result of a jumble of bungles or flukes that don't even feel like i organically did something right
>others leave me feeling strangely like i manipulated the woman
>i feel so distant from these women after seeing millions of them in the meat market of endless swiping and having dull and occasionally awful conversations with them that i can't feel organic connection to them
>makes me feel even more cruel and manipulative when they clearly feel a connection to me
>tfw i remember being 15 and having a crush on a dumb girl and trembling as i asked her out to a movie and sincerely wanting to bring her flowers
i want to go back

after you were groomed by /lit/, any attempt to read past the first pages of a self-help or PUA book should feel like getting approached by a disfigured goblin.

>>21013544
Fuck, I felt this. Dating apps are so terrible.

>>21012768
Did you ever try any of those things?
I never did cause I don't like sluts, but I don't buy that all people that hold lookism and are always spewing black pilled shit really tried.

>>21013544
Dating app shit is outright dehumanizing. You are not a human there, you are storefront, and you also interact with other storefronts. None of them represent human beings, if anything it's an art to put as much bullshit there as possible to make better storefront. I recall things like "hire professional photographer to make your dating app profile" being advised to person who wanted to have relationship with a female, surreal shit.

Humanity got fucked big time by careless implementation of informational technologies in general sense, but this particular tech is beyond any reason. If governments were fully aware of what it does to their taxpayer population they'd have banned it already, which I expect will happen in 20-30 years after sluggish inert gerontocracies catch up with reality.

>>21013889
>in 20-30 years after sluggish inert gerontocracies catch up with reality.
m8 in a decade or two the majority of government and administrative jobs are going to be filled by middle aged zoomers who constantly cry, need 4 different drugs to function, don't know what countries their country borders, etc.

go watch some of those trashy youtube videos where they interview people on the street and ask them when the french revolution happened and who hitler was, the average latina is literally dumber than a cactus

>>21012768
>>21013762
Aside from the books I pirated, I'm going to torrent a popular video course too when I get my power back (will probably take weeks in this shithole) just to see how good or bad it is. idk. Still think it's probably useless nowadays anyways, or a total scam from the start.

Is this the shameless blogposting thread?
I don't have a great job or any real prospect of getting one in the near future, so it'd be pretty short-sighted to get romantically involved with me.
I wonder if maybe my fortunes will change at one point, but by then I'll be an old sack like Kant was when the ladies started getting interested in him. At least that guy was able to joke about it, but I still feel like I'm missing out on something important.

>>21012214

>>21014725
no you queer this is the self-help literature thread

>>21012214
Dating apps, "female dating advice" and Covid killed them.

>>21013889
It's a demonic system specifically designed to demoralize and milk the users. Hell, it uses the same fucking "ranking" system that they use to manipulate teenage boys into spending their allowance on video game skins by rigging matchmaking so that they never truly get the wins they deserve.

>>21013762
not the gay person you replied to... but since it's on-topic >>21012214
some decade(s) ago I read few paragraphs of said PUA literature... those couple of paragraphs were enough to have pussy attracted to me like coffin nails to a magnet... so I never needed to read more

nowadays, when every 4/10 can have 2000 facebook followers and a popular instagram profile, you have to be suicidal to interact without any effort from their part... which is kind of cool if you think about it, but is it worth the effort?

>>21012214
The problem is reading PUA literature in the first place. It promotes a fundamentally adversarial and unhealthy view of the relation between men and women. The men who get the most happiness out of their interactions with women are the ones who view them as human beings rather than prizes to be won, and vice versa.

>>21013889
>a female

>>21013889
>I recall things like "hire professional photographer to make your dating app profile" being advised to person who wanted to have relationship with a female
It is somewhat absurd. This could make for great post-modern fiction

>>21016598
Right, the idea is to still read it with an open mind to make me less afraid of failure, though.

>>21016598
>It promotes a fundamentally adversarial and unhealthy view of the relation between men and women.
Promotes? It only reacts. It sure as fuck aren't males who started the adversity.

>>21013544
>>21013889
>Dating app shit is outright dehumanizing. You are not a human there, you are storefront, and you also interact with other storefronts. None of them represent human beings, if anything it's an art to put as much bullshit there as possible to make better storefront. I recall things like "hire professional photographer to make your dating app profile" being advised to person who wanted to have relationship with a female, surreal shit.
Fucking boomers. They ruined the word, I swear.

>>21016992
*world

>>21012214
I thought the entire thing basically got cancelled for misogyny/mgtow shit and the people either went into general self improvement grift like roosh or became male feminist cucks like tucker max

>>21017121
>I thought the entire thing basically got cancelled for misogyny/mgtow shit
Accurate.

>>21017121
>became male feminist cucks
Misrepresentation. Just for curiosity, how old you are?
Are you in 'the market'?

Where are you from?

>>21013914
Yet latinas, Mexicans and the like in general really, are always the saltiest about white people it seems.

>>21017248
It happened with Tucker Max, Maddox and probably several others. I'm just a general observer of life, old enough to remember 9/11 and I don't think the rest is pertinent to anything

>>21017380
>I don't think the rest is pertinent to anything
Of course it is. I have a good idea of your age; now give me your Continent and I'm gonna tell you how legally fucked you are or you might be.

C'mon. For rhetorical purposes, help a brother out. Otherwise fuck off, you're testifying you're completely clueless about what you're talking.

>>21012214
>everyone is just a blackpilled incel now
dude you need to get outside and hang out with family or some other people

>>21017449
I was born somewhere in central Europe but I live in the American midwest now. Good enough? I'm not involved in anything to do with this stuff, as I said I just observe things in general.

>>21017492
>I'm not involved in anything to do with this stuff
Are you in a relationship or are you not interested in this kind of stuff?

Plus, how often do you "chase tail"?

>>21017516
I was in one for ten years but we broke up recently. I'm not in the mood for anything serious any time soon so I just kind of chat/exchange nudes with a few people every now and then.

>>21017537
>so I just kind of chat/exchange nudes with a few people every now and then.
kek. I'm under the impression this is quite common these days, which is quite revealing about our state of things.
Is this the offspring of the sexual revolution?
Is real human intimacy not possible anymore to many of us?
What have we done?

Also, you said 'people'. Are you a faggot?

>>21017597
I'm mentally ill and depressive so I don't see any kind of positive long term future for myself, the last relationship broke up because of heavy mental problems on both sides. Not really, I go both ways but I don't bottom

>>21017642
>I go both ways but I don't bottom
Getting a hookup or a lover as a gay top is really easy in if you live in a large city. I dont see why you would need pua.

>>21017642
>Not really, I go both ways but I don't bottom
We’ll see that’s your problem.
You need to take another man’s dick in your boipussy, everything will be revealed afterwards

>>21017648
>I dont see why you would need pua.
I said several times I don't participate in it at all, this kind of stuff just trickles down to you on here especially if you browse pol from time to time

>>21012214
>were the growing pains of living in a post-love world just a fad?
yeah

>>21015279
What were those paragraphs? Where did they come from or what was the jist of them? Im pretty attractive and the only thing I needed to start getting laid a lot was to be more confident and go out more. Being very honest also seemed to have a positive impact. People in general seem to respect me more. But Im still really curious since I dont feel Im that smooth with women.

PUA was always a scam and doesn't mean shit if you don't interact with women in your day to day life like most of the incel crowd does

There was a study in 2018 that reports at least 15% of men here (America) report not having a single friend. This country has completely collapsed socially already and the only thing holding it together is the economy plus fear. The hard truth is that these fifteen percent of men should be meeting up with each other and forming social networks prior to seeking women. This will never happen though because these kind of people are generally anti-social anyway which is why I think the band-aid the government will use is to legalize sex work so losers can just purchase sex but that's just speculation on my part.

>>21017642
>Not really, I GO BOTH WAYS
Nigga, what??
KEK

I don't know why but I could see it coming...


But in all seriousness, what you told me explains a lot about your perspective. It's plain too see why you can't relate with those male movements.
Anyways, stay safe. I hope you find your peace of mind.
Get out of your head, don't overthink too much. Exercise. Eat your vegetables.
You know the drill.
Your Death will take care of itself.
Ain't no need to hurrry it.

>>21017718
The manosphereis exactly what you’re describing: a bunch of men got together to discuss the problems affecting men today, PUA is just one of the solutions that came out of that.
Others are incel/volcel, MGTOW and MRA.
Yes they’re garbage but it’s the only viable strategies in this garbage environment today since society is at best indifferent to men’s issues or actively hostile at worst.

>>21016851
cucks can't argue against that

>>21017481
I mean around what used to be the scene. Not real life or whatever. Obviously.

Things are much more straightforward than they seem and you don't need advice from so-called pickup artists. You need good looks, good hygiene, good social skills. You need to make yourself be as physically attractive as possible and have lots of self-confidence. You need to invest in yourself, work on your image and actually learn to love yourself before you are able to love someone else. You need to go on several dates and keep trying if you want to find the one. If you're not ready to go through this process, you can give up at any time. You don't need others to be happy.

Don't make it more complicated than it should be. Either put in the effort, or don't. Stop expecting and go get what you want.

>>21018768
I'm sure this advice is well-meaning, but it's useless to people like me that have no idea how to actually do any of it.
I want to know what's wrong with me.
I want to know how to fix it.
I want to know how
how
it's always so simple if you never say how

>>21019841
Pretty much.

>>21013889
its always been like this you fucking retard. you never heard of a dance card?

>>21013544
Fuck, I felt this.

>>21016851
>males who started the adversity
for example cyrus scofield who was ordained a minister while divorcing his wife
>>21017121
>male feminist
puas are male feminists

Women arent going to ignore your height and face just you go up to their face and scream ‘IM THE FUCKING KING, bitch’ and flash your gold watch. If an obese woman did the same to you would you ignore her obese body and ugly face? Umm no?

>>21012214
>>21012644

MeToo killed it

>>21019841
Hit the gym (focus on aesthetics), grow a short beard/stuble, get haircuts regularly, get clothes that fit you well (stick to black and white mostly), sleep plenty, get enough vitamin d and eat healthy (as a rule of thumb stick to whole foods). This should do it for the looks.

>>21012214
There's always a gold rush happening, waiting for someone to sell the miners more pick axes. The trick is recognizing when the nature of the gold rush has changed, or when it has ended, eh?

Online dating apps allow women to hyper focus on irrefutable proof of male sexual fitness: good genetics, social connections, and resources. The pendulum has swung so far in their favor, don't be surprised if it becomes the norm to require men to submit proof of income (pay stubs, tax returns) to dating sites to prevent more "date rapes" by pick related. Men that don't have the above will be hard filtered out of the dating pool, and this time there's simply no talking your way out of it. (Keep in mind your personal genetics are simply a massive viral payload, only interested in it's own propagation, your happiness be damned and the miracle of your self awareness a mere side effect. So don't take it personally if you don't reproduce, in the end it's not about you at all.)

If it's any consolation, women have no idea how to select a mate for long term happiness, outside of choosing one who will keep them in a state of constant sexual receptiveness until menopause; they have no "plan B" for after this ends. The reductive (and highly efficient) nature of their sexual selection strategy above means they're only concerned with appearances, the surface of things; there is no deeper meaning for them, no underlying reality, no endless yearning for a shred of the Universal Truth to uncover for posterity.

So if you somehow land a broad in spite of yourself, one day you'll realize you're still forever alone.

>>21012214
>Are PUA books just completely outdated
Its more that there are only there are only so many ways to write out the following steps
>Talk to a girl you think you might like
>escalate the situation quickly, basically whenever you feel even slightly awkward
>if she rejects you but doesn't leave act like nothing happened for a few minutes and then go back to the previous step
>if she rejects you and leaves go back to the first step
All of PUA is just obfuscation of these steps for men who are too afraid to do these things normally.

>>21016847
I have to wonder if it's really the best thing to read for that.
>>21016851
I wouldn't say it's either males collectively or females collectively who started it, because a gender collectively doesn't do anything, individuals do.

>>21021252
>puas are male feminists
How??? Feminists generally hate them

>>21022911
>The reductive (and highly efficient) nature of their sexual selection strategy above means they're only concerned with appearances, the surface of things; there is no deeper meaning for them, no underlying reality, no endless yearning for a shred of the Universal Truth to uncover for posterity.
Hey, speak for yourself. I yearn for the Universal Truth regularly, even if some days I'm not even sure if the concept of it makes sense. And I'm not the only woman I know who does.

>>21023240
Current society including the dating scene is feminist and anti-male, puas teach you what to do in this situation, meaning they teach you female-centered techniques. Increasing money, look or "status" so womyn look your way is feminism, it already assumes women have a say in society and in what men should and shouldn't be. This isn't how a farmer acts with his animals. Feminists hate them because they hate anything that benefits men, puas are feminist but they are still trying to benefit men.

>>21023423
That's not what 'feminist' is usually used to mean. And of course women should have a say in society, you're not going to get anywhere close to maximizing utility if you ignore the preferences of half the population.

>>21012214
They weren't replaced by incels, they were replaced by Andrew Tate and hustle grindset garbage.

>>21013544
>why can't things be like when I was young and the world still felt exciting

>>21023508
Females do not posses their own opinions though, by giving them say in society you effectively just handle dictatorship to party with most powerful mass propaganda techniques.

>>21023578
>Females do not posses their own opinions though
Neither does /lit/ if the catalog is anything to go by.

>>21023578
>Females do not posses their own opinions though
And most men do? I would say it's about equally rare for either.

We genuinely need some kind of community reintegration program at this point. This thing is becoming a serious problem. I don't know what else to say. I think we've moved beyond the point where people are talking to each other and getting rejected. Now it's like there isn't even anyone to talk to, or anything to say.

>>21023559
What a worthless, uninteresting post. Kill yourself.

>>21023508
Feminism means valuing women and thinking they should have a say over men, it's the belief that women should have political power, this has always been the case since the first wave, when they fought for the vote (not for the draft though, it has always been about privileges). If you consider the preferences of women when maximizing utility you are already a feminist, it's circular reasoning. Also men and women have opposite needs and desires, if you maximize for one you minimize for the other.

>>21023508
>>21023423
>>21023240

So I guess holding your chin up, driving a sports car and having a good job is feminine now. Good job anons your are completely confused now.

>>21023810
Being feminine means being submissive and breedable, masculine and feminime aren't opposites or complementary. Chin up, sports car and a good job are good things if you are doing them for yourself, doing it as an act to look cool and get women means being in the female frame and doing what they want. Doing a mating dance isn't feminine, it's pathetic.

>>21014850
based CSGOchad

>>21023827

You're taking my words of context; clearly I'm talking to an ideologue. I think the problem here is that you are like most women who think the majority of men are cucks and that's simply not based in reality.

>>21023650
If you want an organic connection with a woman you shouldn't be using a dating app retard

>>21023863
>just go out and meet a single woman irl
you know that's impossible but you implied it anyway

>>21023863
>"TV is killing attention spans"
>"If you don't like TV just don't watch it"
Your brain is rotted by your lazy contrarianism and kneejerk instinct to be the "wise voice of reason" when people are being edgy or whatever

>>21013544
>>21012214
Do you people not realize most semi-attractive girls are selling sex now? What is the point of putting all this effort into "game" or "looksmaxxing"? It's a lot easier to earn a few thousand extra dollars a year and use it to buy sex if you want it that badly.

>>21024917
How do you do it if you only want women who are as attractive as the average 21 year old enby gash walking around college campuses? I don't want some crackhead stripper or lot lizard. I also don't want coked out starving human trafficked eastern european girls. I want to FUCK the WHORES I really see with my own eyes on a daily basis

>>21024923
>as the average 21 year old enby gash walking around college campuses
>he thinks they don't have an OF or aren't on SA
Just offer them a few hundred dollars or something, most of them are in student loan debt or want money to pay for coke because they're lazy.

>>21023720
What the hell are you talking about? Men and women's utility functions are not inversions of each other. Most of what they want is the same- to be able to live their life and experience positive experiences, without risk of harm and death.

>>21025211
>Most of what they want is the same- to be able to live their life and experience positive experiences, without risk of harm and death.
Humans don't want that. Read Lacan.

>>21025270
Then what do they want?

>>21025289
According to Lacan humans engage in stereotyped masturbatory exercises around emotions in an attempt to colonise "the name of the father," not the actual father, but the imaginary father they generated themselves.

Humans do weird porn they don't experience as pleasurable repeatedly in order to capture the ineffable daddy they miss.

It makes far more sense than your idea that humans want things then achieve them. If masturbation satisfied you you'd only do it once.

>>21012214
I seriously do not understand how anyone past the age of 18 still falls for that fucking cringy bullshit. As if charisma and self-confidence were things you could learn from reading a book, and not from going out and talking to people like normal fucking people. Also, why would anyone want to become a womanizer, most mem that do are pretty fucking unhappy with their lives and try to fill that void with meaningless sex. Seek jesus, for real

>>21025289

>>21025405
I'm not sure what your actual point here is.

>>21025424
If Pringles genuinely satisfied you, you would stop after your first pringle. But Pringles *DO NOT SATISFY YOU.* You do not eat pringles to be satiated, you eat pringles to try to appease an unappeasable desire for popping and unstopping. The actual thing you're unable to satiate lays behind the pringles themselves.

Look, if you want to be a shit cunt and imagine a utilitarian man, why does he ever eat again if he is satiated for food?

>>21025211
Everyone wants positive experiences, it means nothing. Men like young women, women do not like that, the age of consent benefits women and damages men, men want to have as many women as possible, women want to control a single man, men can leave their children anytime they want without care and women can't, child support damages men, women are weaker than men so laws to help them reduce harm limits and damages men much more than it would if it cared only about men, and so on. Men and women aren't the same.

>>21012214
Attraction Formula by Paul Janka. Common sense stuff that us sheltered asocial retards never realised firsthand.

>>21017642
>I go both ways but I don't bottom
>Not really a faggot

>>21025405
>engage in stereotyped masturbatory exercises
Like reading psychoanalytic "philosophy"

>>21025428
Because he gets hungry again, as a matter of physiological processes. But once he's satiated, he has no desire to eat until he gets hungry again.
>>21025515
Sure we're not the same, but all of us are benefited by things like being able to make sure we have a roof over our heads and food on the table; at the very least, we all dislike its absence.

>>21025750
Basic needs are more or less the same, but unless your utility stops at house and food men and women have opposing interests and it's a zero-sum game.

>>21025823
I'd say that having a relatively secure guarantee of not starving or freezing is a big part of what constitutes happiness to me, yes. But even in spheres like romance, there are plenty of men and women who are in happy relationships with each other. There are psychological sex differences, but they're not a strict dimorphism, they're a statistical tendency, and the distributions overlap.

>>21025874
Men and women in a happy relationship are necessarily compromising with each other, with the man losing much more. Divorce laws are made to maximize female utility, not male one. There is no overlap: all men benefit from the ability to leave without paying child support, all women lose. It doesn't matter what ratio of men actually leave, having the ability to do so is a plus. Men being forced to pay child support benefits all women, even those that don't file a claim. The other examples i made are similar.

>>21025952
Men who would want to abandon their children, anyway. There are some who definitely don't. They might benefit in a purely economic sense, but maximizing wealth isn't the only thing humans value.

>>21013544
>>21013889
Reminder webm related is what you are to a woman on a dating app.
Do you even want to match?

>>21026326
What’s wrong with that? Me using tinder looks exactly the same

>>21026333
>potential relations are judged on a 0.1s automatic passive brain response
Well then, there is no discussion.

>>21026342
>wanting a relationship through tinder
I think you misunderstood something