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I want to write a novel that will resonate with the 2nd generation Hispanics living in the States, the generation that is often the first to go to highschool and university with little to no guidance/financial assistance, graduate from University and try to climb the corporate ladder in order to "make it". They're parents often live through them and as a result they make decisions that will please their parents, this causes them to become resentful of their parents (for having immigrated to America and putting them in this position) as well as Judeo-Capitalism. Many men become cogs in the machine either after graduating university or after dropping out and working as a plumber/electrician/carpenter. It will explore male loneliness, misanthropy, contempt for the modern world, the monotony of the modern world, masculinity, mass immigration and maybe the modern day sexual market. It'll be similar to Fight Club, Joker, Nightcrawler, Taxi Driver, Harrastment Architecture etc but I'm not entirely sure what the backlash against society will be. I have no idea where to start.

>> No.21023972

>>21023965
>2nd generation Hispanics
Whites in denial

>> No.21024013

>>21023972
/thread.

>> No.21024029 [DELETED] 

Why? nobody cares about them ahahaha! And they can barely read! Hahahaha. faggot brownie man. Shitty shit shit man. Manlet motherfucker! You will never be an American. You're spiritually incapable of resisting shit, dumbass. That's why you exist! That's why use programs and unemployment to create you out of spare parts like the freinkenstein monster. Go back to mexico and drink coka cola and live in dirt like you're supposed to you subhuman fuck.

>> No.21024038

>>21023965
YWNBAW (Writer) (White)

>> No.21024133

>>21023965
It took my family 5 generations to get to the point where they were going to college in the US and not shoveling pig shit all day. Get fucked.
t. Irish

>> No.21024162

>>21024133
Dang where are you from Appalachia?

>> No.21024168

>>21023965
Sounds good anon. Best luck to you

>> No.21024348

>>21023965
if this isn't bait, you will not find valuable advice on 4channel.org
become a creative writing major at a university and pray you make it into the MFA, that is your only option, don't listen to the retards on this board who will try to dissuade you from this

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>>21024029
Say that to his face bro

>> No.21024361

Sup Joe Mondragon.

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>>21024358
Oh my... this is the peak of Hispanic breeding which the whities were afraid of. It's finally here. The USA is ours. Move along whitey; there's gonna be some rules around here.

>> No.21024425

>>21024348
I'm in university right now, how valuable do you think a creative writing major would be? I had planned on doing history

>> No.21024439

>>21024425
it is only valuable if you pursue it at the graduate level
at least take a class
if you end up completely shit, don't major
if you get good feedback and signals from the professor, major in creative writing and fight like hell to get into an MFA program

>> No.21024502 [DELETED] 

>>21024358
>>21024375
HAHAHA identifying with a shit skin, proof brownoids are nothing more than sickly genetic putty. As soon as a white person casts aside your impotent masquerading your abominable nature comes leaping out of you. You try to intimidate or go on the offensive. This is exactly what you are designed to do! To threaten civilization. Any act you commit is a soiling of something which possesses form. You want to write a book about "judeo-capitalism"? What a comedy show! You ARE judeo-capitalism. You may think you want to do one thing, but really you are doing another. Every book a spic writes is a debasement of the culture itself. You can't understand this, and you aren't supposed to! You are a tool of global subversion! To normalize your life and put it alongside the lives of the people who actually belong in this country, no matter what cool based boi aesthetics you throw on, is itself an act of subversion. That a spic savage wetback animal like you is even reading at all instead of working 14 hour days and eating sewage food, which is the goal for your ilk in 100 years, is the biggest joke of it all. You will never be one of us. Write a book about swallowing your tounge, faggot bitch spic.

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>>21024425
DROP ALL CLASSES. Pic rel is better fit for you burrito boy.

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>>21024502
Uh huh

>> No.21024648

>>21024613
cope and seethe

>> No.21024650

>>21023965
Resonate ? Resonate ?!
2nd generation Hispanics living in the States
Don't Read !!!!
Do you know Hispanic people ?
Doesn't sound like it by the gibberish you typed.
CHEAT CODE question. Are :
-resentful of parents
-cog in the machine
-male loneliness
-misanthropy
-contempt for the modern world
- monotony
phrases and words that describe problems
in the barrios?
Try :
-crime
-drugs
-illiteracy
-superstition
-pre marital sex
- alcohol abuse
- gangs
- refusal to learn english
-permissive parenting
-refusal to adopt the American way (at least fly
USA flag)

Now go get your fuckin shine box, Shakespeare.

>> No.21024683

>>21024502
You are gay

>> No.21024692

>>21024683
youre a spic

>> No.21024734

You should check out A Naked Singularity, that book approaches a lot of the topics you’re talking about. I don’t think your topic is particular to Hispanics to be honest, but if anything that so-called Latin flair will probably help you in publishing.

>> No.21024747

>>21024502
Worked 12, physical, laborious hours
got out of the shower
laying down
reading, "Egotism, or the Bosom Serpent"
-Hawthorne
Brown n Proud, Ese

>> No.21024779

>>21023965
>it’ll be similar to Fight Club, Joker, Nightcrawler, Taxi Driver, Harassment Architect
Please read more books before you write the most derivative sad lonely man story.

>> No.21024783 [DELETED] 

>>21024747
>Fucked up a new build project like all spics do
>Have a book I don't understand on my desk next to my bed with big words in the title so I can talk about how I can be smart like white people too
>actually just post on 4chan about shit I don't know about, even if I do talk about the book I debase the whole spectrum of conversation because I'm subhuman
>Tico Taco Chimichanga Oley Oley hoi hoi hola n Proud

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>>21023972
>White

>> No.21024799

>>21024783
Fucking kek

>> No.21024879

>>21023965
Write a novel about a Hispanic who moves back to Mexico and is happy that he did so. We need more subliminal messaging of this sort.

>> No.21024932

The power to debase a "spectrum of a conversation" ; is indeed a power.

Oh shit, another 83 migrants just crossed while this post was being typed.

Oh shit there just crossed 38 more

>> No.21024993

>>21024783
50/50 this, Anon is white ?
trying a lil too hard there, fren.

>> No.21025035

>>21024779
This, he needs to read Notes from the Underground, Stoner, The Steppen Wolf and A Hero of Our Time.

>> No.21025174

>>21023965
Based. I'm not hispanic but I'm always wanted to write a novel about this sort of situation because I think this feeling of disconnection is something that not a lot of media adress, at least from an immigrant perspective. Many people have written about feeling a disconnection with culture, heritage, and society in general but I think there's something to be gained from a 2nd generation perspective that previous authors have left out. Best of luck.

>> No.21025193

>>21023965
I fucked so many 2nd gen Latinas just being tall you gotta add that in.

Getting dragged into a BBQ 8 times a week and just drunkenly chatting with her uncles is like the white guy experience.

>> No.21025233

>>21024993
weak

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>>21024502
Shhh die more quietly.

>> No.21025275 [DELETED] 

>>21024879
We will continue to populate territories which are rightfully ours. Seethe and cope.

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>>21024029
>>21024502
>>21024783
Sometimes I empathize with the American whites on this website who complain about being hated by society and media, then I see posts like these and I realize maybe they deserve the criticism after all.

>> No.21025341

>>21024029
>>21024038
>>21024502
>>21024534
>>21024650
>>21024692
>>21024783
>>21024879
>>21024932
shut up retards
>>21024348
Thank you
>>21024734
Yeah the topics I’ll discuss won’t be but some topics are very specific to 2nd gen immigrants like being the first in proper school with no guidance, doing poorly in the sexual market and as a result they become very resentful towards women, feeling like you don’t belong in the states or in your native country etc. it’ll probably also resonate with Indians and Chinese diaspora.
>>21024779
rec some
>>21025035
I’ve read all of them, what else

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>>21023965
>>21024168
>>21024348
>>21024358
>>21024425
>>21024439
>>21024613
>>21024683
>>21024734
>>21024747
>>21024993
>>21025174
>>21025297
>>21025341
Fuck Jannies, Fuck Spics.

>> No.21025444

>>21023965
>I want to write a novel
Then do it

>> No.21026063 [DELETED] 

>>21023965
Sorry but Mexicans don't read. Maybe it'd work if you get Toriyama to put these themes in DBZ or have Bad Bunny write a song about them or something, but beanfolk overrunning the country is part of why intellectualism in the US is doomed (not that there's much of it now to begin with)

>> No.21026068

>>21023965
Literally me, but also not really.

>> No.21026071

>>21026063
Reading has always been an activity for the happy few, whatever the group.

>> No.21026425

>>21024650
>hillbilly stereoyping people he has never seen

Kek. Go jerk off to Tucker Carlson some more, Billy Bob.

>> No.21026548

>>21026063
I said Hispanics, not just Mexicans you fucking imbecile

>> No.21026560

>>21023965
As a south american, there are few people I despise more than second generation hispanics on America.

>> No.21026567

>>21024348
Not a single great writer has come from these programs.

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>>21023965
>Fight Club
that is a low quality movie if you think of it... it starts out fine but devolves into communist propaganda
>Joker
that dude did not have higher education
>Nightcrawler
that dude did not have higher education
>Taxi Driver
that dude did not have higher education
>Harrastment Architecture
some stories are good but I won't set it as an example

you have to write something that finishes in finding peace... meaning that you will have to include in your novel the idea of an ideal world (the ideal world of the character... ultimately your idea of an ideal world), what led to him forming that idea (as you said, disappointment that his parents are retarded), and how he fights to attain it (here is where your creativity comes into play)
and try not to have it longer than 250 pages...
good luck and gospeed

>> No.21026597

>>21024133
>5 generations
Lmao I see now why merimutts fear the chink

>> No.21026606

>>21026572
>into communist propaganda
What? Fight Club is obviously inspired by uncle Ted.

>> No.21026617

>>21026560
you don’t know anything about us
>>21026597
there’s loads of poor Asians, stop thinking about model minorities that come here resources that Fox News feeds you and come to NYC where Asians are pretty fucking poor and live in crammed apartments

>> No.21026694

>>21026617
>you don’t know anything about us
And you don't know anything about us. That's the point. Stop trying to larp as latinamerican. You are not one of us and you will never be.

>> No.21026726

>>21026694
when have I ever said Latino? I said Hispanic. learn the difference you fucking mongrel

>> No.21026925

>>21026606
uncle Ted also slid into communism because of his despair
he could have continued his lifestyle while not linking his manifestos to it -- and would have most probably never been find out; think about it
heck, probably some outlet like Paladin Press would have published and promoted his writings... and a lot more people could have been converted that way i.e. without linking it to terror and freaking out normies

>> No.21026931

>>21026726
>I said Hispanic
Latino, hispanic, who cares. Same thing. Both are american terms anyway. No one here identifies as neither. We identify with our countries. There's no such thing as a strong hispanic identity. We actually hate each other. But above all, we hate second generation hispanics on America. That's the one thing that unites us. You will NEVER be one of us.

>> No.21026952

>>21024650
This is true. Listen to this guy OP >>21023965 . You're talkin' 'bout cracka problems. What you have in mind only resonates with the terminally online spergs among us
t. beaner

>> No.21026972

What happened to Jeff Mangum Died For Your Sins? He was my favorite spic on this board.

>> No.21027278

>>21024162
No, New England. Its a common story. I'd guess less than 20% of my graduating class had parents with college degrees. Its a known fact that the best predictor for future success is the educational attainment of your parents.

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>>21026548
Whatever, dude, the point stands. Where I am they're mostly technically Ecuadorian. Doesn't matter; they all act exactly the same and for all intents and purposes may as well be Mexican. Mexis have better food than the rest of (You) tho

>> No.21027982

>>21026931
>Latino, hispanic, who cares. Same thing.
what a retarded thing to say. Brazilians are latino but not hispanic, same for Haitians. Latino means anyone from latin america who speaks a romance language, hispanic means they fit to the prior established criteria with the language SPECIFICALLY being Spanish.

>> No.21028061

>>21027982
Who cares. You still will never be one of us, so stop larping as us. You're just a self hating american.

>> No.21028173

>>21028061
>self-hating
stop projecting, also I never said my novel would resonate with people living in Latin America, it is for 2nd generation Hispanics, maybe 2nd generation immigrants in general.

>> No.21028216

>>21028061
You're a faggot spic but you're also partially right. He's just a self hating American, as many 2nd generation immigrant children are, or people who were children when their parents immigrated.

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>>21023965
Sounds like a great book for suburban white women to chew up and spit out for virtue signaling. Your magnum opus will surely be a beneficial cog to the machine.

>> No.21028323

>>21028061
>self-hating american
Bro you don't understand they're not like normal white people they're DIFFERENT and SPECIAL because their parents are immigrants. They're freaking heroes bro they have to live with constant racism because of their undying love for their native country, which unfortunately entails an undying hatred of America.

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>>21023965
Ignore the negative posters. They are NGMI.

You actually have a vision and desire your work to have purpose.

The only real issue at hand is that your demographic is neither made of actual readers, nor the topic (the misadventures of hispanic men) is appealing to the average reader, who is a young female. Even inside your audience, most of them would rather read genre fiction than an actual book about their perils.

Still, you should write. You MUST write.

>why?

Because only imbeciles want to write what sells. An actual writer writes what deserves to be written — that is where the true glory lies, in making an accurate depiction of the inner chaos of an entire demographic during a time in history.

>from where to start?

Many such approaches. I think the inciting plot of Brothers Karamazov (three half-brothers with completely different outlooks of life portraying their entire generation come together in a city to meet their father) could be repeated. Since it is a generational drama, I suggest you talk a lot around 2nd generation hispanics to truly capture their experience.

You'll make it, anon. I believe in you.

>> No.21028350

>>21023965
any Sociology or human science study about this,
or article? Where do you get this from op, do you experience it yourself, or someone you know?

>> No.21028623

>>21028342
>nor the topic (the misadventures of hispanic men) is appealing to the average reader, who is a young femal

YOu guys keep spouting this nonsense. Females are not the average reader across all genres. Literary fiction is still dominated by male readers. In science fiction the the gap is even larger between male and female readers.

>> No.21029083

>>21028350
>sociology
it would actually be closer to reality if he sucked it out of his own dick while living as a black man in the depths of the Congo jungle... compared to what sociology professors babble on since WW2

>> No.21029575

>>21026425
Truth is Truth
Billy Bob TUS PINCHIS NALGAS GUEY

>> No.21029602

>>21028323
It's kinda like if the US got nuked in the 90's and you and your parents were plopped down in some place way nicer than the USA like Korea or China or Germany or Sweden or Japan or something. All the chinks hate you for being there and blame you intrinsically as an individual for getting your country nuked and your parents are still American and grilling cheeseburgers and being fat but you're Going Japanese.

Hey that's probably a good idea for a novel actually.

>> No.21029943

>>21024534

This is unironically more productive than going to college. How many great authors were creative writing majors? How many great directors went to film school? Maybe some, but teaching the arts at the college level is mostly a scam.

>> No.21029951

>>21024879

Better yet, how about a one that moves to Martha's Vineyard? I hear no human is illegal up there.

>> No.21029967

>>21026617

Yeah, but those Asians will probably be living in the suburbs in ome generation.

>> No.21030158

>>21028255
I'm on the right, it'll include anti-semitism in it hatred of Capitalism and the elite to keep away the virtue signalers.
>>21028323
I'm not a leftist you faggot
>>21028342
thank you anon
>>21028350
yeah I experience it myself, the character will LITERALLY be me, if you want the honest answer though just talk to some hispanic working in the trades, he'll probably have some story of not having luck in the sexual market (he's brown), he went to university because his parents forced him, drops out and works a mundane physical intensive job which grows his resentment towards the elite, america, the rich, capitalism etc. so on so forth
>>21029967
keep watching the news bro