/lit/ - Literature

>>21010629
i'll let you experiment, but i tried it myself, and 6% monochromatic works pretty well for your design. also, make sure to keep an eye on the text/background portions of the image to make sure things aren't getting too wild over there. the effect is much more apparent on elements of that sort than it is on images. i love the noise filter so damn much, though. just makes the image instantly better overall, in my opinion

>>21010653
>steals the screenshot that I always post right away to bump the thread
:(

>>21010655
Yeah I like the look of 6% monochromatic! For some reason the version that I modified in Photopea is too large of a file for me to upload. I’ll try to fix that somehow so I can post it, because I agree that it looks substantially better. But feel free to upload the version that you made as well!

>>21010678
oh, because noise makes the image very heavy. big problem for me because i have to compress any image with too much noise, which is pretty much every image i post. compressing an image with noise makes it look pretty bad. you can upload the original to the drive, though! best part about the drive is you can see images in all their uncompressed glory

>>21010678
oh, by the way, you're using Garamond 08 Regular for the numbers, yeah? a great anon in the last thread pointed out that an en-dash (–) is better than a hyphen (-), because the hyphen with 08 Regular is kinda tilted. that advice changed my life

oh, franz von stuck is a great one too

Before I hit the hay I'm gonna repost some of the prose entries that don't have in-doc commentary yet. I've got four of 'em.

>>21010820
Suburbpunk, &amp issue 006. Pretty serious story about a maladjusted boy from childhood to his teens.

Format/design is pretty rough on this one, but I really like the piece itself. Haven't posted a screencap in any threads until now, but there was some discussion previously, mostly for the sake of critique. I know the anon who wrote it was around a few threads back, so if you're still checking in here then shoot me an email.

>>21010832
Notes on a Devil's Threeway, &amp issue 006. Thoughts and cautions about sex.

>>21010834
Shit, fucked up that last one. Notes on a Devil's Threeway was in 007. Anyway.

Burgerpunk Delivers, &amp issue 009. Guerilla delivery, existential worry; heavy vernacular.

>>21010839
Last one now.

Vignette: A Chili April, &amp issue 010. A brief journal of ennui.

>>21010832
>>21010834
>>21010839
>>21010845
Looking to hear thoughts on these pieces to see whether they should have a place in the best-of. They're all on the list currently, but discussion of the pieces has been sparse.

I like Suburbpunk, but there hasn't been any discussion of it. Another anon recommended it, so I tallied my rec with that to give it a star, but I'm trying to hold off on passing my own judgement on pieces.

Notes on a Devil's Threeway apparently has multiple recs from the stars I gave it, but again no discussion. I thought there was stuff on it in the old threads, but I haven't been able to find any looking up the name on the archive.

Burgerpunk Delivers is another I bumped with a personal star. I think it's an interesting piece, but I'm hesitant about the heavy vernacular; I should re-read it, maybe aloud, but I don't want to put something in if the language is confusing or holds it back.

Vignette has received some praise in old threads, and recs recently, but I don't want to double-count if it was the same anon claiming it as his favourite multiple times. Still a little better off commentary-wise compared to the other three, so not as urgent. A little clunky and could use some revision, though.

>>21010845
i liked this one. liduhrally me

>>21010644
Stop spamming/advertising this schlock

thanks for the bump!

where the hell is "half a melody" by k anon? cant find it on any of the issues

>>21011856
which one are you talking about?

>>21011862
i havent read it but the anon is the doc mentions a story called half a melody

>>21010715
Thanks for the tip! I used the en-dash on this mock-up.

>>21010768
I like this piece--could do something cool in this style.

>>21012040
I dont know if it is in &amp, I read it on his collection and was just comparing to his other stuff. But the story is about a whale's song. I will check if it was, I thought all of them were.

>>21011856
>>21012040
So looking back through all the tables of contents, unless I am blind I dont think it actually was in &amp.

Another mock-up inspired by the Penguin/Pelican books of the 60's-70's, featuring the futurist art of Fortunato Depero. Although this particular piece is from 1924, so I don't know if it'd be in the public domain.

>>21012256
Actually I fucked up the title, here's a fixed version

>>21012256
>>21012328
these are great. i don't know what else to say, you guys are dropping hit after hit

>>21011371
Duly noted. But actually it's liduhrally liduhrally me. Anything about the other three?

>>21012256
>>21012328
In Italy it's apparently 70 years after the artist's death, and Depero died in 1960, so it's probably a no-go. That's a really fantastic mock-up, though. The artwork was a good pick, and I think it suits &amp, though I think maybe we should go for a more modern look to suit the magazine.

>>21012367
>Anything about the other three?
>>21010839 is good, but there are just a few tiny little errors in the artist's rendering of the vernacular he's going for. for example,
>An' all he had to do was trade off any chance at a girl a' his own
i think that with the sort of fast paced prose it's supposed to be, this should be girl OF his own. it's like the difference between "this is kinda good" and "he's kinduva dumbass." vowel and consonant. same with
>Man fo' all seasons
i think the "r" would be pronounced. in fact, if you did want a contraction here, "f'r all" would be more accurate. maybe. i'm not sure.
but yeah, stuff like that. ultimately little things that are easily fixable, and that don't damage the merit of the story at all. i liked it. i liked the Wendy's manager factoid.
+1.

>>21012367
oh, wait, did you write the chili story?

>>21012487
I agree there were some off choices in the vernacular, and I think it would have been really great if it had a second pass with some input on language. Still good for the best-of, I think, even without changes.

On that idea, I think part of the spirit of &amp is that the material makes it through without an editor combing through and adjusting things. Not that that makes the pieces better, but it gives a different perspective from something more "cleaned up"--you can pick up on personal idiosyncrasies in noticing the kinds of errors or choices a person makes. Again, not always for the better, but potentially interesting or defining in some cases.

>>21012490
Yes. Only one of mine that didn't have authorship attributed, first thing I sent in to &amp.

>>21012520
>Still good for the best-of, I think, even without changes.
i agree.
>Again, not always for the better, but potentially interesting or defining in some cases.
that's a really interesting point that i hadn't considered. you're right.
>Yes. Only one of mine that didn't have authorship attributed, first thing I sent in to &amp.
good stuff!

>>21012367
>though I think maybe we should go for a more modern look to suit the magazine

Yeah, that makes sense. I'm a huge fan of vintage book and magazine covers from that period, but I can see why the style wouldn't necessarily suit &amp. Here's one that I did in a slightly more contemporary (but still slightly retro) style. The choice of artwork might be questionable/not &amp-esque, but it's definitely in the public domain. Anyway, I can easily swap out the central image and adjust the colours accordingly.

>>21012367
>>21012935
Fucked up again and left a random design element blocking out part of the central image. Here's a fixed version.

>>21012935
killing it with these.
by the way, wikimedia commons is probably the best place to get public domain images, if you haven't been looking there already

IA here, so dont count twice

>Longing by K anon
Very inconsistently and indecorously erudite vocab at places. The reflections on change ive found completely cliched, repetitive and overdone. All of this hurts the smalltown atmosphere and the emotional impact of the grief. May have been personal, but its hard to take it seriously with sentences like the one about longing being his shadow. I will vote against it, especially when we already have a better straight up good k anon piece
>Rural life
Okay so im not going to defend it any longer with the hope of it staying but ive just found it wierd that the arguments against it were about the essay not being particularly special when that was exactly what it was going for. I guess i have a soft spot for the really stupid ones.
>you will rue what you have done/dodgemage to catalonia
Speaking of stupid, i guess these two are the only real difference between my ideal list and the doc. I really love both, i think dodgemage is a straight up well written poem with a succinct, sharp, particular and unpredictable nature and you will rue what you’ve done turns a relatable &amp submission experience into a satire of both the editor and the submitter.
>crabmorphosis
Like the lizard comic i think this isnt a meme thats necessarily unique in this context and i dunno... something about even alluding slightly to a pickle rick reference in a collection that also has really genuinely good stuff rubbs me the wrong way.
>dog killer
Definitely should go in but the imagery at the end is reminiscent of dogscape. Not that this is a criticism. Just wanted to mention it for some reason.
>>21010834
Interesting enough. Maybe the priority should have been the threesome first and then the ruminations on meaning.
>>21010832
Competently written and engaging enough, but thats kind of it. Any minutiae or the overall progression is on the verge of predictability. I wouldnt call it outright cliched or anything but the rifle by jack ketchum and peru by gordon lish do very similar things much better. They also happen to be favorites so i dont want to be unfair to this piece comparing it to them. The length maybe an issue in the collection.

There are some like jibaku, chili, phantom tolbooth and the only computer crime that i want to read when the collection comes out so i hope someone else comments on the ones without any comment.

also, i might be tripping, and i don't want to derail the thread by making it too much about graphic design, but just yesterday i discovered a trick that i think involved adding noise to an image and then removing it to make the image kinda fuzzy, and now i can't replicate it. i did it for the globe and the header text in this poster.

>>21013084
goddamnit. i even left artifacts in this image as a tutorial for the future me. i'm stupid.

>back to regular &amp activities

>>21010832
I like this one, but the diction is stilted at times and it could be more concise. I’m not opposed to it being included, but think it’d be best if the author could edit it a bit. Hopefully you’ll be able to contact him.

>>21010834
There’s something about this one that I dislike. I find the repeated references to the Beats off-putting and cliche. The profane crudeness of it clashes awkwardly with the faux-insightful ruminations, and the juxtaposition doesn’t really seem to create any meaningful impact. It comes across as pretentious and directionless. But take all this with a grain of salt, because I find the tone and subject of the piece personally off-putting, so that may be colouring my opinion of it.

>>21010839
I like this story quite a bit. Like >>21012487 says, the vernacular isn’t used perfectly, but overall I feel like the piece manages to capture something.

>>21010845
I like this one too. It’s a nice journal entry— mundane in subject matter, but well-written enough to be interesting. It does a good job of capturing a certain feeling of monotony and stagnancy— ennui, as you put it, sounds right.

>>21012968
>wikimedia commons
Thanks for the tip, I’ll check it out!

On the topic of design, I feel like there’s something off about all of the mock-ups I’ve made. They’re aesthetically pleasing enough, but there’s some essence of &amp that I’m not capturing. Any thoughts/advice?

>>21013010
>Longing
Yeah, anon convinced me that Newlyweds is a way better story. Maybe I felt bad because of how short it was but the feel was far more hardhitting to me thinking what it really was.

>>21013231
i think all the mock-ups you've made are pretty good. i really, really like them. i'm not sure what you mean exactly by
>there’s some essence of &amp that I’m not capturing.

maybe it might be that your designs are too clean? do they feel more "nifty art book at a large book store" than "crappy amateur literary magazine" to you? could that be the case?
oh, and maybe the poetry magazine-inspired wyndham lewis covers specifically feel off because of a) the all-caps titles and b) your decision to use regular over bold font?

>>21013327
ah, i think i get it. the issue might be that some of the text in your designs is too widely spaced, which you can combat by a) making the text bold b) decreasing the tracking

>>21010644
What is this general about?

>>21013327
Yeah, I think the all-caps/non-bolded font is part of the issue. Maybe I’ll redo them using a lowercase bold font and see how I feel about the result. And I agree that the designs are too clean and don’t suit the feel of an amateur literary magazine. The only one that I’m really proud of is >>21012328, but it doesn’t seem to capture the signature &amp feel, and it comes off as dated and overly referential.
I guess I’ll just have to keep trying until I find something that looks right, or else just leave the design stuff to others.

>>21013393
>leave the design stuff to others.
certainly not. you've been doing phenomenal work! i'm super grateful for all the work you guys have been doing.
that egon schiele cover is kino as hell — keep going. >>21012328 is also a favourite of mine, so i'm not sure where all this stuff about leaving the design to others is coming from.
take one look at all the junk i've dumped into the google drive and you'll suddenly feel better about your work!
you have too low an opinion of yourself, atlas
the issue is the noise filter

>>21013453
oh, but i'll have you know right away that picrel certainly does not count as junk. this piece, perhaps, demonstrates my incredibly acute understanding of the principles of design and aesthetic, so i understand if you feel discouraged after seeing it. anyone would. herbert bayer himself would kneel before me if he saw this masterwork of graphic design. heh... ku ku ku.

>>21010891
>Burgerpunk Delivers
Are there any other burgerpunk stories? I think we need one, but don't need to include every one.

can someone brush me up on formatting rules? Haven't sent in a submission since like issue 6 and I don't know if they are the same. Like 8.5x11 what the borders should look like how they should fit in text the templates etc etc

>>21013510
I wrote one called suburbpunk that I think was vaguely adjacent in concept in issue 6

>>21013611
>>21010832
this one, yeah?

>>21013624
yeah tahts me. didn't realize someone already posted it

>>21013656
well, congrats, anon; you've been nominated for the best-of edition of &amp, baby!

>>21010832
>>21013212
hey I'm the author of suburbpunk. Shoot me an email, I have the raw text saved somewhere so I can go through and edit it a bit, and then work on the formatting and see how it goes from there.

>>21013668
hell yeah. Hadn't checked up on &amp in a while it's nice to know you guys liked that one.

>>21013385
&amp is an amateur literary project that is the result of a collaborative effort by users on the literature board on 4chan. 14 issues of &amp have been published as of september 2022.
this general is dedicated to reviewing, selecting, and compiling the best works that have been published in &amp so far.

What's the word limit? I have a 6k short story I've been meaning to get published.

HELLP! HEEELLLPPP!

(Read Pliny)

>>21013867
6k is fine just submit it to the editor email in the OP. Next issue may be cut off rn so you might be for next month.

Nice cover ideas so far (also the older, more minimal ones in the previous threads). Speaking of Wyndham Lewis, his (two-issue) journal BLAST is also interesting; in general, many of the modernist, avantgardist and symbolist journals were -- Blätter für die Kunst (centred around the exclusive George Circle), Mercure de France, (the English aestheticist ones have already been mentioned in prev. threads), Pan, NRF, Die Insel, Der Sturm, Lacerba, De Stijl, Mécano, transition, etc. (tho not all in terms of design).
In terms of artists I am also partial to certain symbolist painters who border upon art nouveau/jugendstil without quite crossing the threshold of the latter's extreme stylization (whose illustration and type design I do not like). Böcklin, Klinger, Melchior Lechter, Georg Kolbe, the very earliest paintings of De Chirico; also Séon, Puvis de Chavannes, Spilliaert, Ensor.
I like the idea that &amp might be seen as a latter-day avantgardist review, and, backward looking, I like an explicit reference to the historical material of 100+ years ago; but at the same time it should also be forward looking, reflecting today and tomorrow, and literary forms that are developing or only found on the internet, 4chan, etc.

>>21014165
>literary forms that are developing or only found on the internet, 4chan, etc.
i've actually been really interested in this topic lately. could you please elaborate more? i feel like (bear in mind i'm pretty much a baby) we've come to a standstill when it comes to using just text.

also, do you like kley?
thanks

Dsmn i had the worst day

Exaggerating ofc, but goddamn

>>21013453
I mean, the real issue is that I'm a neurotic perfectionist suffering from the compulsion to overthink everything that I create and tear my own work to shreds... but the noise filter actually might improve matters, I think.

Anyway, I redid the poetry inspired ones (although I'm still not fully happy with them), so let me know what you think. I'll upload the individual files to the drive-- I just didn't want to spam the thread with multiple images.

>>21013494
>tfw you will never create anything comparable to the symbolic masterpiece that is picrel

>>21013582
There's a template on the site-- I'll post it in a bit

>>21014165
Thanks so much for these suggestions; I'll definitely check them out. I like the idea that &amp should capture something of both historical material and contemporary internet-based content.

>>21014279
What happened?

>>21013010
>Crabomorphosis is a Rick and Morty reference
Shit, I hadn't noticed that at all. I guess I'm out of touch, but I see what you mean now. Unless someone can convince me it's not a slightly done-up meme reference, I'm gonna drop it from the list.

Thanks for the other comments as well. I still disagree about Rural Life (I want the best-of to be about quality of writing, not punchlines), but I'm coming to agree with your take on Longing. Comment permissions are back on in the document, otherwise I'll just copy-paste what you said here into there later (but I won't update rankings until more is said from others and I go to V4).

And you're specifically avoiding reading those last few pieces you listed? Computer Crime seems like it may be a given for the best-of, and Chili also has some momentum, so they have strong status. I'll ask around in-thread about Jibaku and Tollbooth when I get the chance.

>>21014201
I meant things like greentexts, mass collaborative texts, etc.—not very impressive sounding, but you know, and it can be innovative.
Klee is interesting though his works don't do much for me, personally

>>21014279
i hope it gets better, anon

>>21014393
oh yeah. those look quite a bit more &amp-ish.

>>21015218
hey, just to make sure we're talking about the same person: i'm talking about heinrich kley

but yeah. greentexts are a great narrative form. "thine is the kingdom" is a great example

oh, here's an idea that's probably been done before, but how about a large narrative related by a bunch of people who hate each other, who are collaborating (or trying to collaborate) over a google doc, where you can see the strikethroughs and edits made by them to each others' dialogue as they argue about what REALLY happened.

would get old fast. i'm getting bored just describing it.
hah. it would be funny though. imagine a moment in the middle of the "document" (this sure as hell isn't a novel or a play) where this incel-type fella gets real indignant and begins spamming offensive slurs before he leaves and now there's just two pages of struck-through text consisting solely of the n-word repeated over and over again.

maybe they're (the narrators) represented by wildly differing font sizes. maybe there's an old guy whose font size is just quadruple everybody else's. and bold. maybe there's multiple typos in the old man's text.
maybe at some point the narrative is interrupted by a kid who gets on to the family computer and starts hammering away in Papyrus. maybe at some point the old man types, in all caps, with no context, something like RICHARD BURLINGTON SEX AT EIGHTY: HPW TO GET IT UP EVEN PAST YOUR GOLDEN YEARS. but that might be pushing it. i've been pushing it this entire time. anyway

oh, and to be clear, they don't actually converse with each other in the document itself, that wouldn't make sense. all we see are the strikethroughs to each other's dialogue and the narrative itself, so there's really no context for the reader. all we ever see of the kid is struck-through Papyrus.

>>21014393
>>21013846
>>21012960
>>21012935
>>21012328
>>21012256
>>21010653
>>21010644
mein neger I appreciate your balls and initiative but shouldn't it be "&"????
I am the guy that uses the classical et ligature (either reversed-3-crossed, or reversed-3 with two tails above and below) but still...

>>21015452
i have no idea what you're talking about

>>21015460
>serwe magic
sure you have, check venus cloaca maxima

>>21015452
>>21015470
I’m deeply confused

>>21015452
I don't think the ; is necessarily universal in how &amp(;) is used. For example, in the title bar of a tab containing a Google Drive folder titled "&amp_issues001-014" it renders as "&_issues001-014".

And nobody you quoted actually came up with the name. The guy responsible is elsewhere. There's also a joke about the ampersand looking a bit like a cursive 'L', making the thing look sort of like "lamp", meaning sort of like "lit by a lamp" ~ "/lit/ by a &amp" ~ "&amp by /lit/" or something.

>>21015495
i am too. i know that a cloaca is what birds shit out of, and i know that there are probably no statues of venus where the anus was rendered in detail

>>21015524
>>21015495
venus was the one keeping the anus clean, idiot
maybe google cloaca maxima?
>>21015507
well why do you need & before amp then? and why abbreviate amp? & is the html niglet for showing a & in the url... but &amp means nothing but an eyesore

>>21015524
Found this when I googled it, but I’m confused as to how it relates…

https://daily.jstor.org/venus-of-the-sewers/

>>21015544
I’m not sure why this matters so much to you

>>21015544
>maybe google cloaca maxima?
alright. wait, looks like someone did it already
>>21015549
i think we have the modern-day joyce here.

>>21015544
Oh wait, do you want us to read Pliny? Are you >>21014001?

>>21014393
Where's the FACKIN format

>>21015589
This one?

>>21015554
>names steak club after vegetarian deity
>"why this matters so much to you?"
well, why did it matter so little to you -- since you couldn't afford to give the issue a minimal amount of attention?
is this a "girls can code" kind of deal?

>>21015604
>is this a "girls can code" kind of deal?
pretty much. we have a few ada lovelaces in here, too

>>21015610
femoid detected

>>21015297
>Kley
Oops, hadn’t heard of him. I like the burlesque subject matter

>>21015610
but anon ada lovelace actually knew how to code... that ability comes before being male or female, that's what escapes you

>>21015619
>>21015622
it's a metaphor for &amp itself, fellas

>>21015627
for &amp or &
=^_^=

>>21015656
for &amp magazine and the community surrounding it!

>>21015656
oh wait i didn't realize what you were trying to tell me i'm sorry i'm a dumbass

>>21015670
if you realized it, don't worry, pumpkin

>>21015687

have we considered what we're going to do for the interior of the best-of edition yet?

>>21015702

OK so bestest edition
>randomness and relation to omniscience
>steam trains
>gentlemen thieves
>warrior bards
>space cats
>spring and its relation to autumn
>adventures of librarians
>adventures of system admins in late '90s and early '00s
>small town main street fairs
>survival options of carnivals in the digital era
>ethical assassinations in order to save endangered species
>ethical assassinations in order to save rain forests
>adventures of modern day moonshiners
>small towns facing invasions of liberals

>>21015811
what the fuck does any of this mean?

>>21015811
GABE?

hey gigachads, this is my first time posting in this general
who does the cover art design for the magazines?
they're pretty fuckin good and whoever is designing them clearly knows what they're doing

>>21015817
you fondly remind me of a youtube video where a gendarme (for US readers: SWAT team member) found some hashish on a dude who swore he had none and for three minutes straight he just shouted WHAT DOES THIS MEAN? WHAT DOES THIS MEAN? WHAT DOES THIS MEAN? WHAT DOES THIS MEAN? WHAT DOES THIS MEAN? WHAT DOES THIS MEAN? WHAT DOES THIS MEAN?

>>21015833
The editor does all of the official cover art designs— the sample covers you see in this thread were made by various anons

>>21015833
well, the cover art and graphic design for every issue so far has generally all been the effort of one man: the editor.
all the good stuff in this thread is Atlas's work, and it's for the unofficial "best-of" edition of &amp. you can see more here:
>https://drive.google.com/drive/folders/1qRXh4G2gpY1Pt1-i-Y1HteeN947FEmXp?usp=sharing

>>21015811
>>adventures of system admins in late '90s and early '00s
>>ethical assassinations in order to save rain forests
kino

>>21015848
>>21015850
>one guy did all the graphic design
indubitably based
but how often do other anons contribute to the design process?

>>21015864
i think for works like "Shiva's Phallus" in issue 11, the contributor themselves might have done the graphic design

>>21013151
did you figure it out?

>>21015897
oh yeah. i didn't use noise reduction at all. it was gaussian blur. i think i literally dreamt up the feature i was thinking about.
the entire process is:
>duplicate layer
>turn down opacity of new layer
>displace it (i.e., the new layer) by 3 pixels or something
>merge down
>monochrome noise
and here's where i forgot what i did:
>adjust gaussian blur
but i found out while experimenting yesterday that there are better ways to get better looking text. i'll play around more later and let you know if i find anything that's half-decent

>>21015924
u can use levels (or curves) to get rid of the noise and then use multiply as layer blend over the grey one

>>21015946
i've been meaning to learn how to use levels and curves. i'll look into it, anon. thanks!

>>21015955
meow to you too

What’s everyone submitted/currently working on for 015/016?

>>21016227
A short story called "And Over the Town," it's cringe and overextended but a prelude to a novel I should have out next Spring.
A flash fic called "Face of Carthage" that reads like schizology. There are explanations for the weird stuff, just not explicit. It is about sarcasm.

>>21016537
dont submit something you think is cringe and overextended. go revise it sentence by sentence until you distill it down to what made you write it in the first place. i dont care if its too much work

>>21016580
I didnt think it was cringe when i submitted it, I was 100% serious but just lack of foresight But anon asked me to share and I got roasted by two anons, with a little "it's not that bad" but I still feel attacked lmao. Was hoping for more reading into the story itself later because Ive only ever gotten feedback on technical aspects.

>>21016691
if its not long ill read it. and submitting isnt final. editor is completely silent so i dont think 15 will be coming soon but you can always send him a revised version.

>>21016701
I think I will. I think all I really need to do is change some words around and cut a scene.

you know what i'm really afraid of? the fact that in five years i probably won't be able to tell the difference between "real" art and AI-generated art. i'm a pseud! gotta become less of a pseud.
in fact, this post could also have been written by an AI. the underlying feelings are too simple. i feel like i'm going to go insane trying to distinguish myself from AI and trying to establish every thought and idea of mine, and every expression of those thoughts and ideas, as uniquely, unambiguously human. and then i'm going to be a human trying to be a human. which is what AI is trying to do. in fact, i'm going to make my entire main goal to establish a human self, and that trying to establish a human self is going to define me.
just like AI's trying to establish a human self defines AI. goddamnit

>>21016741
>you know what i'm really afraid of? the fact that in five years i probably won't be able to tell the difference between "real" art and AI-generated art. i'm a pseud! gotta become less of a pseud.
people probably thought the same thing when photography was invented

>>21016227
I sent a 1k word piece about different ways of making coffee I’ve encountered in my life and travels across the US

>>21016747
no, i keep hearing this sort of thing, but it's like, isn't AI is a completely different kind of technology from computer-generated music (MIDI) and photography? it's almost self-sufficient and, like, it's intended to be a completely separate, coherent INTELLIGENCE that requires, ideally, no human input. that analogy doesn't make sense, the photography vs. artists in the early 20th-century thing. because a) people could shift to different approaches to art and it generated a bunch of new trends and sensibilities, and b) even the goal of classical draftsmanship never really was strictly imitating nature, hence stuff like the ideal canon of proportions across different cultures and stuff. think raphael and pontormo, you know. most people don't realize that even in the 1600s and 1700s and 1800s it wasn't uncommon for artists to be indifferent to things like linear perspective and the laws of light. look at caravaggio, for example. or tiepolo. re: perspective, japanese art is a great example; guys like hokusai WERE aware of the fact that things are made of forms in space (look at his drawings of deer), but they were MORE concerned about graphic design (look at his sketchbooks). and also pre-perspective italian artists like uccello (well, he actually was a pioneer of perspective) were very concerned about graphic design and
i'm not sure where i'm going with this. what i'm saying is i don't know how to draw an analogy here. "AI literature is to human literature as photography is to human art" sounds wrong to me. cameras couldn't do what alphonse mucha or egon schiele did because cameras aren't human and they can't think and feel and innovate. but an AI is supposed to be a separate, conscious, sentient being. and it feels like somehow someone's gonna figure out how to make AI completely self-sufficient and it's going to be very scary.

i'm sorry for the incoherent, disjointed post.

>>21016775
it's like, a better analogy would be that in the 1500s a geneticist or whatever the hell they had back then develops a race of hyper-intelligent babies who don't need food or water, which babies, at the age of 2, are very scarily capable of imitating anything they see. and now there's talks of these babies growing up faster than normal human beings, and rumours that all the patrons of art are going to tell guys like mike and raph and jake to fuck off because it's too expensive keeping them around.
and nowadays people don't even appreciate artists at all, so why would they care about keeping them around if it means they have to pay an extra buck or two?. i don't mean this in a "zoomers are bad" and "we've gotta bring back the roman empire!" way, but in a "how about you pay attention to the lives of the artists who create the stuff you enjoy" and "how about you look into and learn to appreciate the process of creating the stuff you enjoy" way.
again, i'm sorry for derailing the thread, and
>back to regular &amp posting

>>21016747
Long after photography started but am reminded of these based LARPers
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cottingley_Fairies

>>21013867
You’ll never be published because you have no discernible talent, hence you “been meaning to get published.”

>>21016797
shit looks so fake to the modern eye lmfao oh no no no no

>>21016775
>>21016794
i get what you're saying and it seems like you're looking at it not from an artist's perspective but from a technophobe's perspective (i wrote that without reading your 2nd post first and the bit about scary super babies seems to reinforce my suspicion)

the photography vs realism painting analogy is just a similar, although not the same, scenario meant to provide another example of when artists thought that technology would replace them, instead a new form of art was created

as it exists right now all AI can do is turn human-inserted prompts into images - that's literally it and it'll probably be some years before AI can spit out breathtaking artwork with zero human input

so i get that you're lamenting the further loss of art but now is not the time for fear doctor, that comes later

>and "we've gotta bring back the roman empire!"
made me kek

>>21016701
Damn I didnt even answer you. I will try to edit it some at work this week since I have to stay on schedule with my other writing. I'll let you take a look at the revision. Pastebin or email?

Also thanks to anons for the feedback the other week on my chicken story. I will dial back the overflowing sentences if it's easier to read. Not sure how people felt about the theme or if it felt like there was a connection.

>>21016919
Pastebin plisu

>>21016798
What?

>>21015702
Probably illustrations to accompany titles of pieces with otherwise novel-like typography. Poems and short pieces will likely be used as bumper pieces between larger works, likely multiple (suitable) poems to a page to keep from inflating the page-count. Some effort will be put into placing similar pieces near each other--sometimes preserving references or connections present in the original issues.

>>21014393
I think the left-most is my favourite of the three, though the title is a little cramped for my taste. And still the style seems a little off from &amp. Bolded lowercase is definitely the best style for "&amp" itself, though--looks much better.

The two mock-ups attached are probably my favourites style-wise, right especially. I think "best of &amp" is how I'd like the title to be. Not sure if any of my drawings are quite emblematic of &amp, but I think a black-and-white illustration could work well (the other one with the dancer(?) by Schiele was also great, though I'm thinking of Egon's lineart self-portraits). I'm also partial to the really saturated and bold colours in some of the palettes STA has done.

>>21015435
Time to get writing, boy.

>>21017561
Pic related is the sort of Schiele illustration I had in mind, though I think there was some colour blocking in the original--captures something bare and isolated and slightly ugly (though I thought I adapted this from one of his full-body self-portraits, but the original is just the face).

>>21016970
What? What? What? What? What? What? What?

>>21017574
And pic-related for the colours.

>>21017581
And the self-portrait of Schiele that I thought the "missing" poster had taken from. Closer to the "bare and isolated and slightly ugly" that I described. Would also adapt well to black-and-white, I think.

Just gonna be honest, don't like the centered globe illustration for a cover. I think it's at once too simple but not minimal: don’t like the contrast of a prominent round image (unlike a line drawing or a bordered illustration/painting) on a too blank background.
Also, while I think a serif font like Garamond is probably what we'd want for the texts within, I'm not a fan of it for "&amp" on the cover—which, I agree, should be in lowercase, somewhat thick, and it can be serif, but just not too refined; I like the font in >>21017581 and thinks it works very well (also the original &amp logo).

>>21017561
>Not sure if any of my drawings are quite emblematic of &amp
the artist is a contributor to &amp! how emblematic of POETRY do you think the cover illustrations for that magazine are? the answer is that the literary works in &amp carry the same social context and artistic attitude as your drawings.
>elaborate
uhhhhhhhhh

>Time to get writing, boy.
i'm not sure in what context a not-so-closeted-racist incel, an old man, and a bunch of other people would get together and start narrating a story in a google doc.
god, i keep thinking about that phrase, though: "typographic fun." like mallarme, and kinda like joyce, and maybe kinda like wurtz. very exciting just to think about.

i think atlas's schiele cover was also really, really great (one of my favourite schiele drawings, although i'm sure there's a higher-res image available on wikimedia commons). and the penguin-inspired one.
for what it's worth, here's my top-3 picks from all the work that atlas has done:
>best-of_cover_poetry_magazine.02.png
>best-of_cover_retro_pelican.01.png
>best-of_cover_wyndham_lewis_03.png
(this isn't to say that you shouldn't experiment more. or that you should stick solely to these styles!)

>>21017574
>Pic related is the sort of Schiele illustration I had in mind
god, look at that line quality. schiele was great.

>>21017733
i don't like the globe cover either, although the corny, retro-ad-esque slogan below the globe is pretty cool
>Also, while I think a serif font like Garamond is probably what we'd want for the texts within, I'm not a fan of it for "&amp" on the cover
agh. that's a shame. i quite like the crispness on the edges of the letters, and the fact that the ampersand extends so much.

>>21017733
also, what do you think of open-sans for the cover?

>>21017561
Here's a new mock-up with some design elements taken from the left-most of the three previous ones I posted. I did a version with small title text and one with large title text-- I feel like the lowercase font poses problems when sizing the title, because the p forces you to leave an awkward amount of negative space unless you make the title large enough to sort of frame the central image, in which case it can look cramped.

>>21017561
>>21017969

Version 2

>>21017969
oh this one's pretty fire, atlas. another favourite

>>21017982
Do you prefer the smaller title? I think I like it more as well, but the lack of visual balance on both irks me.

>>21017992
yeah, i'm definitely noticing an awkwardness in both thumbnails... there's a really obvious solution to this that i'm missing

>>21017969
The format works but im not for the illustration being this gritty(?) though its good outside this context. Something more cubist might be better. Also there should be a contrast between the illustrations background and the surrounding frame

>>21018037 is right about contrast. maybe try using one of the reds or blues that are in the drawing itself?

here's one possible solution, atlas. maybe you could use the descender of the "p" to kinda frame the central illustration.
does this look too cramped?

>>21018087
Great font. Too low

>>21018100
yeah, i was going to say i could've moved the header higher while still having the p-descender frame the central illustration.

(p.s. just to clarify: this is just a compositional layout, not a real cover design!!!)

maybe something like this

>>21018138
or this (this one's too awkward, imo, but you might be able to figure something out upon seeing this or something. i don't know)

Nice job graphic design anon. I do think it's a good idea to offer to open source some of the work for the creator of the mag if he's open to it. (Unless you happen to be him.)
Although honestly some of these design ideas being floated are, well, frankly kinda shitty
>>21014393
These look good as formal compositions, but they are a bit *too* formal. I want something with a bit more edge, a bit more chaos. Let's not pretend this mag is the Harvard Review circa 1912.
>>21017561
Hate the one with the little dick. The planet also seems a bit trite and generic. What is this , the World Wildlife Foundation?
>>21018087
Although this is a bit bland don't you think? I want something that screams /lit/
>>21017574
Might as go with the classic internet trollface if this is an option that's actively being considered.

>>21018100
by the way, if you're interested, the font is EB Garamond!

>>21018142
Make it the color of a blue board. Some subtle reference to the mags origins. That's the #eef2ff color hex code btw.

>>21018146
>open source
you mean outsource? anyway, editor anon is still missing right now.
>Although honestly some of these design ideas being floated are, well, frankly kinda shitty
don't attribute the shitty ones to atlas! those are all me!!
>Hate the one with the little dick.
:(

>Although this is a bit bland don't you think? I want something that screams /lit/
>>21018162
>Make it the color of a blue board.
not actual cover design; compositional layout suggesting possible solutions to atlas's problem,

I submitted my piece to lampbylit email, no answer yet.
I see there is /elite endpoint on website for checking status of submission, is it for mail too? How do I login there?

>>21018146
There are multiple people posting graphic design work in the thread— these ones are mine:

>>21012100
>>21012256
>>21012328
>>21012960
>>21014393
>>21017969
>>21017974

I agree with you that the compositions are too formal— I’m working on some more “chaotic” alternatives.

all of these covers are actually by me desu

>>21018146
All the cover mock-ups are strictly for the best-of, which editor thus far has nothing to do with.

I think this one is my best mock-up so far. I have another version with Schiele's signature included, but it looks visually cleaner with it edited out imo. Any thoughts? I can also do a version with the original colour palette instead of b&w, or with the text sized/positioned differently.

>>21018818
Just realized there’s some weirdness going on in the bottom right corner— ignore that, I fixed it (and added a slight noise filter) in the version that I uploaded to the google drive.

>>21018818
I really like this one, although I think the shading on the text should be subtler--closer to what STA had going on with the planet cover.

>>21018893
> the shading on the text should be subtler
Sorry, I’m not fully sure what you mean— should I change the text colour to more of a grey-black, or reduce the contrast a little? Or should I use a very slight blur effect to soften the appearance of the text?

>>21018893
Here's a b&w version with softer/deeper shading. I also did a greyscale version and a colour version, which I'll upload to the drive.

>>21019051
Ignore the weirdness in the bottom right corner (again)—I fixed it in the Google Drive version.

>>21016741
This is one of the “6 Thoughts”

Redid the other cover with a lowercase bold font.

what are the next steps for the bestof list? is it gonna be narrowed down even more?

>>21014655
Crabomorphosis "author" here, it started as a meme reference gotta be honest. Kind of ashamed that it was a meme reference looking back at it tho - wish I had made it slightly less on the nose.

GRAPHIC DESIGN CHADS RISE UP

>>21019535
Crabsisters this cant be happening

>>21019542
upload some of your graphic design work if you wanna be a real chad

>>21019567
I'll change it up a bit if you really want it that much

>every graphic design cover is a different size
anarchist moment

>>21019755
The versions uploaded to the Google Drive should all be 8.5 by 11.

>>21019762
Says who? There hasn't been a clear decision made yet regarding exact dimensions, and I'm leaning towards 5.5x8.5 anyway.

>>21019765
Sorry—I just meant that, unless I fucked something up inadvertently, all of the cover mock-ups I’ve posted in this thread are sized 8.5x11 in the Google Drive, since they were all created using the same letter-sized Canva template. I didn’t mean that that’s the size everyone else should be using. Do you prefer 5.5x8.5? I can re-size the mock-ups if you’d like.

>>21019810
I've got no preference at this point, but at some point it may change. Shit can be resized closer to release anyway. I wouldn't worry about it for now, I just didn't want to pull the rug out from under people by leaving them under the impression that 8.5x11 has been decided on.

>>21019820
Okay, sorry— I didn’t mean to confuse anyone or give out false information.

>>21019837
jfc bro, chill, u dont need to keep apologizing like a fag

>>21018818
+1.
i think i like best-of_cover_egon_schiele_b&w_soft.02 the most of all the versions you uploaded.

>>21019503
+100!!
i think this illustration is going to be one of the best 20th-century illustrations we can find that "fit" &amp

>>21019755
my earlier layouts varied a little, i think. then i began using 8.5x11, and now i use 5.5x8. i'm sorry if that confused you

>>21019535
i have a bone to pick with you. i called Crabomorphosis "laugh-out-loud funny" in a public forum and now i'm being told it's a reference to fucking RICK AND MORTY? i might just kill myself

>>21019936
>i'm sorry if that confused you
it didn't, chad, don't worry

i decluttered the drive a bit!

>>21019936
https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:Egon_Schiele_-_Totes_M%C3%A4dchen_-_1910.jpeg

This Schiele illustration feels *very* &amp-esque to me-- something about the style and use of colour. But it's so overtly sexual that I'd be reluctant to use it for a cover in its entirety. I made two covers using just the face, but I don't know how to feel about how they turned out. Anyway, I've made way too many of these, so I'm going to stop for now.

>>21020264
>https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:Egon_Schiele_-_Totes_M%C3%A4dchen_-_1910.jpeg
i'm not a huge fan of this drawing in particular, but there's a really cool thing schiele is doing here. i don't know whether or not he intended it

>>21020291
but i do know that guys like harry carmean (who i was very shocked to find out passed away earlier this year) and that bunch of renaissance-and-mannerist-inspired draftsmen who kiiiiinda kept classical drawing in california alive throughout the 20th century treated foreshortened bodies the same way they would treat a landscape

>>21020291
lol

what do you dislike about this one? I thought the vividly-coloured skeletal-looking elongated hands were fascinating. There’s something creepy about the composition.

>>21020312
i don't dislike it, but i can't enjoy it for the same reason i can't enjoy some of miles davis's albums: my sensibilities are too grounded for the sort of transcendent stuff they're doing. i know what they're doing is beautiful, but it doesn't prompt an emotional response the way their other works do
>There’s something creepy about the composition.
might have to do with the fact that she's dead

>>21020264
>feels *very* &amp-esque to me
what did he mean by this

>>21020384
>all that noise
now THIS is &ampism

>>21020264
>Totes Mädchen
>overtly sexual
Anon...

>>21020333
This one is definitely a stylistic departure from a lot of his other works, so I can see why you’d feel differently about it.

> might have to do with the fact that she's dead
I’m a pseud and didn’t realize until now that the name of the painting literally translates to “dead girl.” I found the colouration of the face so lifelike, and the posture (save for the hands) isn’t stiff at all—I guess I initially interpreted it as some sort of interesting fusion of living and deathly imagery? Now I’m starting to see the black and white iteration that I did as morbid/grotesque…

>>21020397
looks like you've found your next cover idea

>>21020407
don't worry, atlas. most of schiele's figures are pretty corpse-like. here i think schiele's intention was to only draw the hands and arms (which are partially buried) as explicitly skeletal. if he hadn't buried the arms there would probably be no indication that this girl is, oh em gee, like, totes dead.

>>21020407
also
>I guess I initially interpreted it as some sort of interesting fusion of living and deathly imagery?
is exactly what schiele intended. you're not a pseud!
but you MIGHT wanna address this anon's (>>21020406) concerns...

>>21020443
I mean, I guess that’s why I described the composition as *creepy,* because there’s something deliberately sexual about the image—noticeable in the posture and fluid curves of the body, as well as the highly flushed lips and cheeks. It’s like a strange, unsettling juxtaposition of multiple states.

please tell me you see what I mean so I know that I’m not fucking crazy

>>21020505
nah, i have no idea what you're talking about, man. you're being weird... you alright? that's a corpse............

i'm just kidding. i know what you're saying. that's exactly what schiele intended. he was in a freaky mood

we gaan

Am i the only one who thinks the illustration should be more abstract and colorful rather than just a figure of a man or a woman which doesnt reflect &amp at all?

>>21020674
nah, that’s valid, we’re just playing around with various ideas. if you have any ideas for an abstract/colourful cover then make a mock-up and add it to the google drive

>>21020674
we're just getting started!
>roll credits

>>21020264
Now, I'm not a necrophiliac, but...

>>21020754
Now I feel the urge to spam this thread until it gets archived, so that these ill-fated mock-ups will die with it, and people will stop making necrophilia jokes.

>>21020786
now i feel like a jerk for joining in on the jokes. i'm so sorry.

have any of the covers used AI-created art?

>>21020942
Thats actually a very good idea. I think one of the issues (6-9?) has a collage of AI art, and something like that would both be intriguing, diverse and portray the strangeness of &amp

>>21019947
Well the rick and morty reference is not the biggest influence, it's also influenced by the metamorphosis.
I would like to make it without the reference but still be funny but I actually don't know how I can do that

>>21020581
kek I kinda like this one. At least the typography (I know: &amp font) more than the more refined ones itt

>>21018138
>>21018142
Makes me think of monilith

>>21021524
reminds me of the beginning of the arabian nights. that being said, those posts aren't design propositions but compositional layouts

>>21021362
I think just taking out
>Im a crab grete, Im crab gregor
Would suffice

>>21021373
i probably spent 15 minutes on that picture and most of that time was autistically adjusting the typography and now that i look at it, i can't imagine what the hell was going through my head
i must have had like 2 energy drinks and a coffee or something
i had another cover idea which was basically tina turner's simply the best album cover with the &Amp and the issue numbers hidden in the corner but i've just gotta stop with the shitposts and start taking this a little more seriously because the literary and graphic design chads here have a proper platform to get their thoughts and ideas across and i feel kind of bad for not helping to foster the true culture that is being developed here

even the fucking words in the post were a meme
>we gaan
that's a meme from the /f1/ general on /sp/

Jibaku, Session #1 of 2, &amp issue 010. Secret public bondage.

Alright, suspending (please) cover mock-ups for a bit, does anyone have any thoughts on Jibaku? Interesting note is that "jibaku" seems to mean "suicide bombing"/"self-destruction"/"self-bondage" in various contexts in Japanese.

Jibaku Session #2 of 2, &amp issue 011. Sequel to >>21022051.

I'm getting the impression that interest in commenting on pieces has dried up, so it might be the right time for me to comb through everything myself. It also seems like these threads are slowly becoming just the handful of us who've taken up roles in the best-of, which is probably a bad thing--I'd take that as a sign that the process is dragging on too long. I've been dragging my feet for a while now, so I think it's time that I speed up and start treating this with some kind of finality. It'd be nice if I could hold out for more &amp contributors on the list to stumble across this, but I think that'd be a fool's game and protract things endlessly.

>>21020674
I think I'm coming around to this. The cover should probably be left until the pieces have been finally selected so that it's actually representative of the material in the best-of (and &amp in general).

>>21020942
>>21021002
I'm firmly against using AI art for the cover--to me that'd be the epitome of tackiness. If it was relevant to a particular piece it could maybe work as an illustration, but even then I would prefer something man-made.

Reiterating, I think we should drop the cover discussion until the actual contents of the best-of have been finalised.

>>21022130
> I'm getting the impression that interest in commenting on pieces has dried up…It also seems like these threads are slowly becoming just the handful of us who've taken up roles in the best-of, which is probably a bad thing…It'd be nice if I could hold out for more &amp contributors on the list to stumble across this

My suggestion: once this thread hits the bump limit, try making a dedicated best-of &amp thread with an eye-catching text-focused OP image that specifically requests people to vote and comment on their favourites for the best-of issue—sort of like this OP image that I’ve used before, which seemed to get a wider variety of people into the threads. I think that’d garner more interest than the more general &amp threads, where you don’t really become aware of the best-of and what it entails until you open the thread and read the whole post. I think the list still needs more involvement from other voices before you start narrowing it down—I don’t really see it as a representative sample right now, and I think it’d be a mistake to cut things off too hastily.

Do you still want commentary on the works in the Google Doc that don’t have any comments? I can go through them if you want, but I don’t want to impose my commentary on everything if it’s not helpful.

>>21022240
>Do you still want commentary on the works in the Google Doc that don’t have any comments?
Yes, please comment on there. The comment permissions were only off so I could update the rankings of the pieces.

I agree that things don't feel representative currently, but I don't think we're ever going to reach a stage where we can say that it is definitively, at least not without risking this going on forever. And bear in mind that I also went through the archives pretty diligently to glean opinions from the original release threads and etc., so the list isn't just the people commenting.

And I'll try to drum up an OP image clearly dedicated to the best-of.

>>21022051
this filtered me

>>21022051
>>21022130

id like to see the rationale of whoever originally recd this one

>>21022306
I’d say give the list until the end of the month— that’s just over a week, which hopefully will be enough time to get at least a few more voices involved in making final decisions about what to include. In the interim, there have already been some noncontroversial favourites established, so those can be transcribed and copy-edited to remove spelling and grammatical errors (let me know if you’d like help with this). I’m not sure how long you expect typesetting and graphic design to take, because it’s dependant on how long the final list ends up being and how many people are helping, but I think we could shoot for a mid-October or end of October release date. Anyway, that’s just my suggestion— others may validly disagree.

would this catch your eye? (sta)
only thing i like about this is the "&a." kind of a cool "logo," in my opinion

>>21021803
is > we gaan an /f1/ meme? I thought it was from /n/

>>21022536
probably some verstappen shit?

>>21022519
I'm a fan. Not sure if it should be more descriptive, but I could probably just leave the details to the OP text.

>>21022519
I like it, but I’d say that the op image should include a line about voting for/nominating your favourites, as that’s the most important thing we want to get across

>>21022990
>>21022957
yeah, i wasn't sure what terminology to use-- voting didn't sound accurate enough

>>21022997
I’m not sure what the best way to phrase it would be

>>21023019
voice your opinion!
vote now!
tell us what you think!
what do YOU think?
tell us what you like!
ASKING!
now accepting suggestions!
make a suggestion!
suggest!
GIVE US YOUR FEEDBACK!
criticise!
review literature from the comfort of your own home. &amp

how do marketing majors do it

loud

Miserable week. I need to take a day off so I can write a short story and just relax.

>>21023817
>/&amp/ - my diary desu edition

>>21023817
poor Nicholas

>>21023033
Select the best?

sent in a poem, still haven't gotten a response :(

>>21024452
Nobody gets a response, homie. I was a regular contributor and even my conversations with editor were sparse--my first piece went in without me hearing anything about it. There's no acceptance/rejection, ostensibly everything that goes into editor's mailbox goes into &amp.

>>21024464

huh. i submitted for issue 004 and got a response by two different editors at the time. i assume the editors have changed, however.

>>21024469
Yeah, I think back then there were two of them alternating between issues, one guy being the current editor and creator of &amp. I talked with him more extensively a couple other times after I was sort of a regular.

>>21022346
same, bc I don’t get it

>>21022997
>>21024922
I rec'd it early on before there was much else on the list. Not sure how I'd rank it now, but I said this when I was first discussing it in relation to the best-of:

>In general the heavy first-person introspection was fascinating to me, especially with the focus on something deeply rooted in the self (masochism) and which necessarily wouldn't/couldn't be shared with others (either for its perversion and social wrong or for the fact that it's innately concerned only with the self). The discussion of different forms of "Others" at the end of #1 was also interesting in that sense. Plus the discovery/experimentation of/with the self through the MLP porno game.

>In session #2 I liked the contrast between the two groups of perverts: the sort of dignified proto-digital pervert that keeps his fetish to himself, and the modern pervert that celebrates his freakishness in public. It exemplified a sort of distinction between freaks, almost like the loner pervert is a dignified and dying breed.

>The first paragraph of session #2 is interesting if you go at it without the context of #1, as it opens only on the experience of isolation, and afterwards intertwines the sexual experience with it.

Now what'd you two think? The piece isn't going into the best-of on my recommendation alone, so I'd like to know what other people think of it (including if you think it sucks). I haven't re-read it in a while, but I remember the writing being a bit rough at times, so it's probably not much of a contender compared to the other pieces on the list.

>>21024959
i didn’t care for this one

>>21025116
Okay, so what DID you like?

>>21024959
did you mean to tag me (>>21022997)?

>>21025183
Ah shit, no. I meant this fag >>21022346.

>>21025191
ur the fag if u like reading this weird shit

>>21025219
>oh no I can't read this, it's icky!
That's you, faggotron.

>>21025225
why u mad? sounds like ur the faggiest one here

>sorted, criticized, ranked, and arranged in the absence of our dear long-lost editor with much consideration in a process most just, fair, and painstaking by the very many denizens found in the various /lit/ threads dedicated to this much esteemed and most honourable publication, we present the works declared to be by the readers to be the best of all the works published in issues one to fourteen of &amp

>>21025248

>>21025234
I'm beginning to suspect that you're just an angry furry.

>>21025305
im beginning to suspect that ur just a creep who gets off on reading weird fetish shit online bc u can’t get anything irl

i love you all for opening up this magazine, this world of new ideas to me

thank you bros

>>21025506
u missed the necrophilia jokes

>>21025517
that wasn't literary discussion

>>21025506
and ur still a faggot perv who gets off on m l p torture games

>>21025547
>misses the point entirely
2bqh I pity you

>>21025550
>likes reading abt some faggot taking his kinks into public places
fucking exhibitionist perv

>>21025545
but it was top kek, hope that freak fucks off permanantly

i just started visiting this general as of yesterday
is it always this chaotic?

>>21025593
Sadly not. I think it's just one disgruntled furry who's all rustled up tonight. I think that fucker actually stops by every few days to troll and I'm getting paranoid.

>>21025593
chaotic how?

>>21025602
im not a furry, ur a fag perv who shld be locked up

>>21025547
i'm a third party

>>21025612
srry I mnt whatever perv recd jibaku not u

alright.
re: jibaku: i dislike it and i think the metaphor at the beginning of the piece ("... red like the Communist Manifesto...") was a) unfunny b) clunky c) made me want to stop reading immediately
that being said, +1

>>21025602
Paranoid about what?

>>21025637
Why do you dislike it?

>>21025660
mostly my own sensibilities. i'm sorry. like >>21022333 said, this filtered me too.
why are you calling that other guy a furry?

>>21025575
Haven’t fucked off yet, but I’ll delete my mock up’s from the Google Drive tomorrow and try to forget the humiliation of my brief foray into graphic design.

>>21025728
Don't delete the other ones. They're good, and it'd be an utter waste if you just trashed them.

>>21025728
it was a silly mistake. it happens to everyone. you've been doing good work, so don't let this bother you.

>>21026720
true. and that's why it's worth it to stick around

>>21026720
Wise words from Editor. Someone told me that I “write like someone who deserves to be alone,” so I suppose I know what to work on.

>>21026864
which pieces have you submitted?

bumping with the toilet trio

>>21027642
i don't think i've commented on this, and i don't know why i haven't already, but i will now, if it still matters: +1.
ari's prose is very, very enjoyable. it's crisp. it carries you along. not once did i feel like this was a slog to get through. i've said this about his writing before: i'd probably buy a book of just his descriptions of things and ideas and sights and people, whether real or imaginary.
there are awkward moments at certain points in the text (e.g. "A liar. A wastrel." felt off to me personally) but never enough to distract me.

Did anybody read “honest work” from 012?

>>21027823
no. which work are you talking about?

>>21027823
couldnt find it but stumled upon a prose poem masterpiece in 012 thats not in the doc
>new beginnings again (p71)
the title might be an allusion to finnegans wake. the only line that broke the flow was
>the whole dish growls and hisses

>>21028203
Post a screencap of it. Helps with discussion.

>>21028614
>>21028203

>>21025728
why dont u do us all a favor and fuck off after u delete ur shitty work?

>>21025740
there not good and his life is an utter waste that shld be trashed. urs too

>>21026864
lol, faggot

>>21027642
worst shit iv ever read, literally vile

>>21028680
>so please just bring my white sea so I can drink it’s gobby load

what nasty cumguzzling slut wrote this?

>>21029084
>what nasty cumguzzling slut wrote this
gonna agree with trollchad on this one
new beginnings again a shit
like artfully arranged vomit
>WW0AH

>>21028203
>>21028680
> a prose poem masterpiece
Hmmmm

>>21028680
>sucked every curd, slurped every drop, played every fore
>Wank him off for all he's worth
>soothing savor of your sauce will bathe my guts
>I miss what I will fart
mmmm yes very Joycean perhaps even (as some might say) Joyce-esque indeed indeed

>>21027750
Agreed.

Also, I’m assuming this is STA— I finally replied to your email with some critique on your frog story. Sorry that it took me forever; I’ve just been a bit out of sorts lately and I try to avoid giving feedback when I’m in that mood because it encourages me to be injudicious. But yeah, I hope it helps a little.

>>21029191
If you’re making fun of me for saying &amp-esque earlier itt, then fair enough. What alternative descriptor would you suggest?

>>21029227
Wasn't a joke about "&amp-esque" (I think I was the one who said that first anyway), just about the possible "allusion to finnegans wake".

>>21029191
> You had an arse full of farts that night, darling, and I fucked them out of you, big fat fellows, long windy ones, quick little merry cracks and a lot of tiny little naughty farties ending in a long gush from your hole. It is wonderful to fuck a farting woman when every fuck drives one out of her. I think I would know Nora’s fart anywhere. I think I could pick hers out in a roomful of farting women. It is a rather girlish noise not like the wet windy fart which I imagine fat wives have. It is sudden and dry and dirty like what a bold girl would let off in fun in a school dormitory at night. I hope Nora will let off no end of her farts in my face so that I may know their smell also.

editor said 015 would drop by the end of summer
>tfw it’s the first day of fall

>>21027878
>>21028203
Sorry it was in 010 p78

>>21029547
Post a screencap

Submitted my Craigslist personal add

>>21030179
What are you looking for?

Honest Work, &amp issue 010. Two cheeseburgers, with pickles and onions, and a Sprite.

>>21027823
This was a good one, I remember enjoying it back when 010 came out. I think it deserves a spot on the best-of list, so I'll keep it in mind.

>>21030179
>misspells "ad"
Oh boy, can't wait to read it.

shld I send in my suicide note to the &amp email? i have no one else to share it with

>>21030226
>>21027137

>>21030231
but i like the idea of it being published only after im gone, seems better that way or smthn

>>21030179
i love the boomer messageboard tier posts on /o/

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>>21030238
which authors do you like reading?

>>21030257
dfw bc he gets how im feeling, Salinger, Hemingway, dunno what else

>>21030269
i'm sensing a trend there.
i've been meaning to read salinger. i've read DFW's Good Old Neon twice. it was only on my second read that i felt this flash of clarity; this heavy, sonorous resonance in my heart. i could've broken down crying because i felt the same way. i felt like i'd been laid out bare by wallace. it's like that song, "Killing Me Softly."
i realized then how uncomfortable and brave it is to write something like that. i realized everyone around me felt the same way. it made me much more empathetic and sincere. i'm less rude a person now. i love how wallace writes. his works have this expansive, folding-upon-themselves quality, you know? have you read DFW's non-fiction (e.g. The View from Mrs. Thompson's)?

>>21030218
Thank you brother.

>>21029376
I might still have time to resubmit. Dammit a month has come and gone like nothing, I'm probably as busy as editor is. But at least I dont feel stagnant anymore. My passion for writing is brighter than ever.

>>21031625
that's great to hear, anon! GMI

>>21030226
Write it on your chest before you go out. Somebody will read it that way, unless you rot beyond recognition before they find you.

Next thread I'll make the focus on the best-of. Nobody rush into making one because I want to prepare some materials for that. If it's still just the handful of regulars in here it's going to be pointless, so I want to have a more complete set of screencaps I can show off and garner attention with. Maybe I'll shill this on the rest of the board, too.

>>21033121
Sounds good. Do you need help creating any of the materials for the new thread?

>>21033121
Keep it up buddy. This is going to be great

>>21034386
lol no its not

whens the next one coming

>>21033121
Write to wg and even wwoym

>>21035141
Not wwoym

>>21035184
why not

>>21033121
Too late. I already invited all my friends who plan to discuss best-of unrelated content in the next thread.

>>21035209
Probably because it's a containment thread

>>21035209
>>21035894
precisely

editornigger still isn't back yet? the fuck?

>>21036011
https://lampbylit.com/magazine/issue-015

>>21036019
faggot

>>21036019
> Oops! That page can’t be found.

threads on the way out, is bestof-fag gonna make a new 1?

>>21010644
I just came to say that the "summer's end" has came and went. Still looking forward to it though.

>>21036286
hey man wanna roll up to my barrel later today

&amp is coming.

>>21036930
Are you editor?

>>21034386
christ do you really need to suck his dick?