/lit/ - Literature

just smashed these wings, gonna read some japanese literature now.

I want a jewish wife

>>21003265
Make mine Slavic. Russian babes.

Romance bros...

4 books I can't pirate for 30$, is it worth it?
It's erotica, but I'm not that wealthy. 30$ is like 2-3 days of food...

>>21003286
don't fall for it bros...

>>21003286
Their exes are always women?

Stop scrolling headlines, anon. Go plant a food bush/tree

Nothing was ever subtracted from you.
You were always complete and perfect and forever will be.

>>21003286
>>21003296
>w*men
No thanks

>>21003299
You mistake me for someone upset about this, I just want to make people feel bad

>>21003252
so shallow
like a husk
the husk that deceived too many

>>21003310
Weird way of coming out of the closet. Proud of you, I guess.

>>21003310
NSA, please go. Give us a day off.

Where do I start if I want to learn to write things like this?

>>21003416
william blake? also where can i buy that

>>21003416
Read Type-Moon novels.

>>21003434
You can find it if you google tall fishing hat. Not trying to shill but it's a neat hat. I'll check out William Blake.
>>21003458
I thought it sounded a lot like Unlimited Blade Works but I figured maybe they were inspired by a common author instead.

Im so extremely inhibited when it comes to self expression. Doesnt matter what medium.
If someone would ask me what i would do if money wasnt an issue and i could do anything i still wouldnt know and just keep silent.

>>21003312
Based chaotic evil
>>21003299
Cringe lawful neutral

>>21003252
I wanna drink with some buddies

I am a monkey skeleton here in my skin suit, beautiful in mirrors, art, and numbers. This body is my tool, and I bring the world inside of it, through integration, joining, and unity, of myself and what I want to bring within. I can dance and I can close my eyes, I can go out and I can return, and the infinity of my potentiality is actualized without effort. I am here, unfolding, infolding, creating and realizing through the power of certainty and confidence, imaginary worlds not dwelt upon but created. I do not know, but I use my knowledge, I do not know, and that is why I learn, even without knowing that I learn. I can use the positive and the negative tirelessly and without end, but in truth there is no duality, only the coherence of immediacy. I do not need to make any progress at all, and that is why I never stop making progress, I seek nothing, and I find everything, all within my own mind, all in signs pocketed throughout the universe, waiting for me to interpret. There is no patience, because there is no perception of time, but the time builds up endlessly until something that was a thought, a wisp in my mind, is now right before me and familiar. I do not have to look for what I want, I only have to create it. I love what gives me more power to create, what gives me more life, what gives me more freedom, I love what excites me, and my love is never unrequited but always fulfilled. I can bring new universes continually into existence, not caring for the naysayers and not caring for the folly of unfortunately hubristic apes, I can bring reason to an irrational world. My creations build and build and my mastery of creation builds and builds as time outruns the clock. What else is there to say? This world is just a projection of my categories, freedom is my only truth, because I do what I am, and what controls me I also am. I see the universe, and I see myself in mind.

>>21003291
you can eat on 30 dollars for months you fat pig. beans and rice nigger.

>>21003312
Are you me?

Its also its amazing how much normies/NT fags moralfag over Elliott Roger, like I've been with plenty of broads and I can totally see why he did what he did

>>21004272
Elliot Rodger was an autistic narcissist. I cant empathize with mass shooters whatsoever. I may have some autism and narcissism myself but nowhere near that much. The only crimes I can sympathize with are robbery and theft and things like that.

>>21004295
Alchoholic actually.

Pain isn't real, is it. It's just all in your mind. An illusion. Trickery. A waste of time to deal with.

>>21004316
Rodger was an alcoholic? That doesnt remotely account for being a mass shooter, which is a truly exceptional level of antisociality

>>21004319
The only thing that's real

>>21004252
I'm in pretty good shape despite life going extremely poorly and it's mainly thanks to my diet being incredibly varied and rich with all sorts of nutrients and fresh ingredients, albeit it's fairly expensive to maintain.
Rice with beans for months sounds like a recipe for sadness. Kudos if you can keep that up for months without ending up depressed.

>>21004328
Yeah, you're right. The only thing that's real is silence. I never thought about that before. It is quite the enigma now that I have.

>>21004381
read chapter 13 of corpus hermeticum, "On being born again, and on the promise to be silent."

>>21003252
I'm still trying to learn and understand that everything I have ever experienced happened in the same reality. My past experiences feel so disconnected from each other, partially because of a chaotic past, me having so many different identities and then isolation. The past feels like images with a specific mood or setting, but it isn't, it had all the shades, all the possible perspectives and chaos in it, just like I do now. I learn something new - it existed back then as well. It always did, for so long. When will I wake up, how can I wake up. When do I get reality back. When will I live a coherent life, when will I experience identity again. I'm stuck in a pathology, I don't react to reality as it is, I'm acting out mental illness, I act as if there is something that should stop me from acting normally, while it doesn't have to. I became my overthinking

Why am I still being unproductive? I have so much shit to do but I'm just waiting time in threads like these. What's wrong with me

smoke so much weed, call me a folivore

>>21003261
nice

>>21004295
Neither autism nor narcissism are bad things. You see, when you are autistic, you tend to square things in totally logical terms, and it would better if everyone did that, because in the day to day of everyday existence, a lot of things would take less time to complete without pesky emotions getting in the way or basing social or cultural or political policies on a moral compass, it actually impedes the process of civilization when people cry out dumb shit like "what about the children?" or "what about fairness and civility?" the less emotional society is, the quicker things get ratified, the more efficient the machine runs, the closer we can get to a perfected vision for humankind. Then there's narcissism, like why wouldn't you depend on yourself? After all, when it comes down to brass tacks, you alone are responsible for your own existence, whether you believe in god or not, its up to you make sure you are fed, get proper sleep, keep out of harms way (obviously doesn't apply to babies, but that's beside the point) when everyone in your life is gone, its just you versus the world and no one is going to be there when everyone else has passed to the other side, and when you leave this mortal coil, then you can hand the keys to God. Don't @ me if you know what's good for you.

there's a certain crowd of people who when I say anything misogynistic will tell me to not hate women but to chase money. what they miss is that my points on women are precisely the same attacks I'd make on the notion of chasing money purely for money sake. both women and hustlers miss out on trying to 'reach' outside their own place in history and become highly attuned to what is the most reasonable course of action in the present. they are perpetually in exploit mode and for different reasons never care for or seek the explore mode. their noses are too low to the ground and they care less for anything transcendent or genuinely risky. I know this extends past women/hustlers and into MOST people but the reason I always tend to disparage women is because in them I see this tendency to an extreme.

>>21004463
Women are the Jews of gender. Why do you think they cream at the sight of money?

>>21004463
you are such a wanker dude

>>21004463
interesting thoughts

Why don't we call Germany "Germanland?"

>>21004551
>>21004537
the duality of man

>>21003252
I did not care for Snow Crash. Neal spent way too much time on exposition, all the dialogue was unnatural. Characters were okay, plot was okay, both could have used more development

My housemate has this annoying habit of asking me the same questions over and over again as though he's forgotten we've had the conversation before. He'll often use the exact same wording he used in the past too. I'm thinking, don't you remember asking me this last time? Even if you don't remember my answer, that's fine, but have you really completely forgotten that this is the third time you are asking? It drives me up the wall.

>>21004614
Snow Crash - like most genre fiction - is the kind of book where the ideas are more entertaining than the actual novel. I read it when I was 15 and have fond memories of it but I would not read it as an adult.

>>21004563
Like why do we call it the "oceans" when it's okeans

>>21004688
why don't you just ask him if he remembers?

>>21004688
are you sure he's not just autistic and (very poorly) trying to make conversation?

In Heaven, besides a beatific vision of God and ascending to the Glory of Christ, there is also PARADISE.
In Paradise, God gives you whatever you want. Whatever good thing you can ask for.
Here is what can occur.
The soul's love and passion will be made infinite beyond infinite. Shakti or sexual energy can also be made infinitely great.
You have a perfectly sharp and bright understanding of things. Can perform multiple thought processes simultaneously. Access to clairvoyant knowledge as you develop your foundational wisdom.
You are in control of subjective Reality. You can create Virtual Reality Systems, realms of sense-data molded by their own physics.
You are in control of the experience of time, you can shrink a second down into a million years.
Your body can become appear in many places at the same time, by multiplying the facets of your soul. The sambhogakaya treatment.
Everyone is forced to be smart and good. This means there is no antagonizing each other as everyone respects everyone else's personal wishes for happiness. Everything is permitted if there is consent.
You will be capable of anything, performing any feat requiring skill or talent.
There is instantaneous transportation and communication. Technology advanced in the image of heaven in this manner.
There can be collective memory and telepathic empathy. Fantasy adventure simulations, tranquility parks, bemusement parks.

All of this and even MORE!

>>21003310
>only white is the girl

>>21003252
Humankind lost a long time ago, there is no real way of changing our course for self-destruction without fundamentally exterminating the roots of all we comprehend as society, but nobody really wants to do that, we have been tainted by want, our very hearts and minds remain corrupted to the core, we want more, we want to feel good, we don't want to die, we fear death, we fear loneliness, it's in our nature, we created coping mechanisms, we simplified all the ways to fulfill our needs, so now we want more, what we don't need we crave desperately, and businesses figured out a way to exploit that, we are born in debt, banks and corporations want to add even more debt than that of taxes, they invented jobs that make no sense and aren't needed that pay people to buy products that don't make sense and aren't needed. We work for 50 years and then our lives are over, I don't think people really grasp how precious and fleeting life is, imagine someone who works in an office doing numbers for a decorative furniture company, they do this for 50 years, paying credit cards, mortgages, cars, flashy clothes and accessories, fancier versions of their previous gadgets, and they enjoy this? For 50 years paying off stuff they don't need but marketing convinces them they need it. This isn't what humanity should be, it's not what it could be, this shouldn't be our nature, but the order of today's world is one of consumption, and it won't stop until we consume everything, ideas, media, products, resources, concepts, it won't stop, and this is the creation of only a few rich guys hundreds of years back, they dictated the order of this world, and we are all just playing pretend until we die, because we will never do something about it, it is broken, but why fix it? Why should I care about anyone else right? That is the mindset that will kill us all, and it will kill the universe if humanity keeps spreading, consuming everything from planet to planet. I don't want money, I want the experiences money stops me from having, don't get me wrong, I don't think socialism will fix it, I don't think any other ideology can fix it, because we can't fix the damage capitalism has done, and we can't change the volatile and unpredictable nature of the human, what I think is gonna happen is that humanity will stagnate and reach its lowest most degenerate point, and then it will disappear forever. I truly wish we could change it, but we won't, we will never collectively agree on something, you can even state a fact and someone will come out and state it isn't a fact, despite human being social beings, we will never get along, it seems chaos is in our nature. However, benevolence, empathy and altruism is also in our nature, and if we're headed down the road of self-destruction, the very least we should strive to do is to keep our head high and be true to that kind human nature, instead of going down the path of degeneracy.

>>21004704
Um actually
When Adam and Eve ate the fruit, God said, “Behold, the man is become as one of us, to know good and evil,” so according to the Bible, the collective human soul will become a God when the world ends.

>>21004711

>fan making annoying noises for weeks
>starts making really annoying noises today
>kick and smash fan
>fan stops making all noises and goes back to normal
There is no problem violence can't solve

>>21004723
Beautifully put, sire.

>>21004723
Nope. Nothing can stop humanity, you just haven't realized the hidden truth of the elite.

>>21004751
The white man does not require a fan you weakling

>>21004700
Because the questions are so inconsequential that it sounds rude to say "don't you remember you already asked me?" He's asked me three times recently if I liked Lord of the Rings as a kid, for example. Each time he asks he asks as if it's a brand new question that he's never asked before, even though he asked me the week prior. Its like his memory has been wiped completely clean. He does it all the time with a million different questions and makes me feel like I'm living my life on repeat. If he WAS autistic it would actually be fine because I would understand it, but he's definitely NOT which is what makes it so annoying. He's a good guy it's just an annoying trait.

it seriously pisses me off that there are now multiple people on this board who unironically shill and read fucking guenon. sometimes i feel like humanity is doomed. the mind parasites are invading and psy opping everyone.

>>21004865
There are only two people on this website. You and me.

>>21004865
Guenon is just another philosopher. He isnt special, idk why people treat him as this hate/love meme object

>>21004873
he's not a philosopher, he is a scholar who corrupted his studies with dogmatism.

>>21004880
This is clearly philosophy

my book got wet at the beach
what should i do?

>>21004884
1. philosophy attempts to have rigor
2. philosophy attempts to keep its concepts well defined
3. philosophy does not harp on words and etymologies, it discusses the concepts themselves, or at least, it does now, because philosophy has moved far beyond the greeks
4. philosophy does not take concepts for granted
5. philosophy does not rely on the authority of mystics, or anyone's authority

>>21004899
Well then Plato isnt philosophy either.

>>21004904
maybe if your only understanding of plato comes from guenon.

Truth and faithfulness are a power
Of which our heart is made.
And Light and Love are a song
That resounded in God, before time began.
-Schuon

>>21004920
Explain to me how Plato talking about the One and the dyad is any different than Guenon talking about Infinite and its unfolded categories

>>21003252
Girls with flat chests are superior. I can't deny it any longer.

>>21004931
Plato created the One based on an intricate causology and as the completion of the system of forms, needed to make the forms consistent, the forms having arisen out of a desire to explain reality and resolve aporio. Guenon just rambles about mystic schizobabble. If Plato were alive today, he would recognize and engage with the developments in philosophy, rather than continue to concern himself only with ancient mysticism and ignore new problems.

Wasn't there a philosophy general?

>>21004889
I was gonna make a dirty joke, but meh. Dry it out. Lay something heavy on it, beyond that there's nothing much to be done.
You treasured it just enough to take it to the beach

>>21004945
Guenon does the exact same thing with the Infinite as the conceptual necessity underlying all other concepts. And you have no idea what Plato would do.

>>21004944
I like em young but I enjoy tits a lot what do?

I felt that I was falling for a girl who has been a good friend to me, but since she knows about me being an old virgin and that makes me feel I have no chance with her, I fucked 3 different hookers in a week, to kill my feelings for her. Turns out it didn't work.

>Modernity comes to the community when a lock is put on the door.

I had a dream last night where I met Thomas Pynchon. He was incredibly annoying. I happened to be working as a cleaner at a nuclear facility where he was doing research for a new book and he saw me reading a copy of one of his other books. He started talking to me and tried to engage me with all sorts of riddles and wordplay, barely any of which made sense. I had just finished my shift so just wanted to go home, but he wouldn't stop talking. He also kept singing little ditties and asking me complex maths problems. The only cool thing about him was that he could summon illusions, like a semi-babylonian dragon that moved around the wall of his office.

Art is the union social order and personal aesthetic
Socially responsible yet personally satisfying

>>21003865
Pls help me

>>21003865
Yes. I'm sure
>>21005172
In what way? You say you're thirsty, I say drink some water.

>>21005172
fuck whores, do drugs idk nIgger. I will be exiting this forum board to drink and sweet talk broads and then go home and sleep in the bed my parents rent. thank you see u later nigger

Whenever I think about people I know who have pursued artistic careers (however successfully or unsuccessfully) they are 9/10 the children of bohemian arty parents themselves. I suppose it's stating the obvious, but I guess those types of parents don't have many expectations of their children and so the kids don't feel pressure to get a conventional job like the rest of us. This isn't a universal rule of, but it's generally true. It makes me think about how little control you have over your life. To a certain degree your path is set by the conditions you are born into. Now of course, as the existentialists remind us, you always DO have the freedom to do what you want, but it does become harder when family relationships are at stake.

>>21003865
Have you tried journalling

>>21003865
Have you tried thinking

>>21005198
No, you’re right. It’s not an obvious. It’s statistics based on observation. A lot of people just make baseless claims, you don’t.

>>21003865
>>21005172
Could you elaborate more? you know yourself more than any of us will ever get to know you anon, we need to know more so we can try to help, have you ever been diagnosed with some mental disorder? have you ever gone to a shrink to talk about that? What is it that you feel when you want to express yourself but you can't, what's the thought process during that moment

>>21003261
Wtf did you smash there, and how the fuck are you going to read, the same way you sMaShEd those wings?

>>21003416
Rhythm

As a kid in Bulgaria we lived in an old commieblock below a family whose son was addicted to gambling and cocaine. He would often visit his elderly parents for money, and if they didn't pony up he would start hitting and beating them both until they scrounged something up, and then we would have to listen to his old mother sobbing late into the night. My parents were very open about what was happening and taught me how terrible that behavior was, and why it was terrible to be an addict; it runs in the family too, they didn't want me to turn out like my grandfather.
Anyways, we moved to the West because my retard parents wanted a nice car and big TV and now I just beat them as punishment for that, instead of money. I beat them until my dad stops resisting and just hides behind his hands, and my mom starts sobbing uncontrollably, and my faggot zoomer NEET brother just hides in his room and never does anything about it.
Soon I'll put them in a care home downtown staffed by angry black women and save some effort.

>>21005405
Its a meme

How do you guys find something to write about?

>>21005464
Now this is literature.

>>21003252

I wrote what is on my mind and put it in this book

>>21005464
I have never in my life given any thoughts about the existence of Bulgaria or its people, I had absolutely 0 preexisting knowledge of it, still have, but now everytime someone ever mentions Bulgaria, I will think about someone from Bulgaria abusing his parents. I will probably add to it and lie to my acquaintances, saying I knew some guy from Bulgaria during my travels that told me his story of how he came to the west and abused his parents and how I never met that guy ever again, might make up more bullshit to tell when I'm out drinking with buddies

>>21005464
>parents try to give you a better life
>beat them as repayment

>>21005523
muuuh better life
everyone who shills this line ought to get raped by a sweaty drag-queen who reeks of ass

they/them pussy is like molten lava magma crushing your dick with the pressure of the earth's core. I am never going back to she/her pussy

>>21005538
wait till you try she/them pussy

>>21005545
this in TO?

>>21005551
Yeah, these nasty pigeons were getting down about a meter from my head as I ate my breakfast wrap at my favorite spot by queen's park (a couple years back)(it's apparently pretty recognizable)

I'm tired of this fucking website. Almost everyone here is miserable, jaded, cynical faggot who bitchs and moans about shit that in likelihood does even effect because they've been brainwashed by this site that they are part of some culture war. I just wish to discuss obscure topics and pieces of media BUT NO I have listen to fags go on about haplogroups or trannys or whatever flavor of the month waifu is popular. I'm tired of this shit but I'm a nerd who can't talk to people, I have no where else to go. I just want leave.

>>21005545
wow I guessed right even the location. is it right by the underground tims entrance?

>>21005569
meant for >>21005558

I'm really good at visualising things
I wonder if this is because I primarily masturbate to my imagination

>>21005537
You can't make shit of yourself in the third world. Here in the first world you can actually accomplish something. The reality is that you're incapable of doing anything great, that's all.

>>21004232
It really is amazing the things a few cubic feet of the universe are capable of, actually a few cubic inches. Just don't forget about the rest of us, anon

>>21005566
Well, if you can't beat em...
Anyways, what books have you read recently? Today I finished Pnin and it was quite excellent. Still processing it DESU, but I found that Nabokov really captured the spirit of the academics of the time, and his own emigre sphere especially. More than usual, it feels like a cool window into a different world. I sympathized with Pnin less than I expected considering a friend suggested it to me on the basis of my similarity to the titular character, but I suppose he is a singular character LOL
Really happy I got around to it as I read most of it start of August and was worried I would lose the summer season before finishing it, and I hate reading books in different contexts than I started them

>>21005473
It's a meme

>>21005566
shut the fuck up retard, go get IRL friends with the same interests as you and you'll get to talk about whatever retarded hyper fixation your autistic ass wants, have you ever realized you're not the only person that exists in the world? you ever taken a good look at yourself and notice all of your personality flaws? what you're criticizing is the same thing you're complaining about, if you're an insufferable bitch that has no empathy and no desire to understand and connect with others, you'll be lonely forever

What are those le epic obscure topics and pieces of media your underaged friends from school don't want to talk about anyways, give examples

>>21005578
>doing anything great
Wow, neurotic middle-class careerism sure is inspiring. Being an apparatchik is so amazing, and such a unique and unprecedented phenomenon, I'm so inspired by the opportunity to ACTUALLY ACCOMPLISH SOMETHING. You massive retard.
Yeah I maybe understand it more if you're from some post-colonial shithole, but this behavior is pathetic coming from what was ex-middle-class in commie times. Imagine torpedoing your own society by taking top positions in libcuck protest leadership and then running away to a society where capitalism still hadn't raped the society as much as it did once you unleashed it in your own. It's fucking despicable behavior and I actually am principled enough to recognize that.

>>21005580
>Anyways, what books have you read recently
Please don't make fun me but I've been reading this.

>>21005597
kill yourself, you can't be this fucking pathetic

>>21005597
I support you reading whatever this is

>>21005388
self doubt

>>21005596
>I actually am principled
Kek

TIL God wrote a book

God Speaks takes a strictly nondualist approach in explaining the universe and its purpose, carefully clarifying and syncretising terms as it takes the reader through the spiritual journey of the atma (soul) through its imagined evolution, reincarnation, and involution, to its goal, its origin, of Paramatma (Over-soul). The journey winds up being one from God-unconscious ("Beyond Beyond State of God") to God-conscious ("Beyond State of God"). Cohen summarizes, "In elaborate detail he explains the universe is an arena where infinite existence, identifying with the apparently limited soul, becomes more and more conscious of its oneness with itself as the Over-Soul."

>>21005641

>>21005597
I'm the anon who originally asked.
I can't make fun of you because I used to just read DND3.5 sourcebooks for a period of 2-3 years

my apple watch says i sauntered and strolled twelve miles of urban boulevards and avenues today. any flaneurs on /lit/ think they can match my level?

>>21005591
Sorry about that. I do have so inherent drive to help others and do volunteer work but I just feel somewhat socially isolated.
>>21005600
If it makes you feel any better I was reading pic related
>>21005609
If your into techno thrillers or Lovecraftian horror I recommend you checking out the novels.

>>21005641
>nondualist
Flatly contradicted by common sense and all of reality

So why did /lit/ become /pol/? It has made this board unusable for those who aren’t autistically obsessed with their ideology

>>21005684
Doesnt really have much moderation. And there are many books that are very /pol/esque so the line between on and off topic is a bit blurry at times

>>21005684
You can go to any other website on the internet and they will all share your MSNBC ideology. The only thing different about this place is that it has mild freedom of speech. If someone posts an off topic shit thread just to spam /pol/ racebait crap, report it for being an offtopic shit thread.

>>21005641

If I wake up I will
The final answer find
My heart still
To hear what's on my mind

>>21005757
Needs more work

>>21005464
>Soon I'll put them in a care home downtown staffed by angry black women and save some effort.

That hits a little too close to home for me.

>>21005700
I used to come here to discuss books, not politics. The issue is that the /pol/ view has become a scourge on this board. You can’t escape it and it’s obvious that too many here don’t even read books. They should take their talking points to the appropriate board. A lot of people don’t seem to understand what moderation means vs freedom of speech

>>21003252
I am a racist, sexist, homophobe. I have discovered an appreciation for and ability to create romance stories.

>>21005786
/pol/ is a shithole now, have you looked at it recently? No one talks about intellectual topics at all. Its just "jews, jews, bbc, cuckold, basedboy, more Jews, hitler, jews etc"

Anyone else feeling absolutely fucking miserable right now? The internet is shit and a big waste of time. Real life is even more shittier and dreadful. When I go out in public I can only think why God would put us into obscurity on this earth in the middle of butt fuck of nowhere of space. I'm nearly 25 years old and have no life experience because everything is just shit. I'm just hoping for the day people will get tired of this life and a big revolution will come so we can restart this shitty excuse of a planet.

>>21005786
If you make a thread about a book or poem or something it is very unlikely it will get taken over by political talk unless it is directly adjacent to politics in which case obviously that will occur

>>21005814
find things to be enthusiastic about. the simpler the better. then take care of yourself and wait to get nuked.
remember, you've already been dead for trillions of years. before being born i mean.

>>21005813
Well you guys should try to change the culture of the board or carve out your own niche, similar to SFFG here. It makes too much sense and it’s the right place for it to go. The thing is, no one is really offended by your opinions. It’s just that you anons beat the same drum autistically and make the board unbearable because that is all that is discussed

>>21005814
>why God
Read God Speaks by Meher Baba

>>21005019
what does it mean

>>21005817
/pol/ ran a lot of the older anons out. Pure literature threads don’t do as well as they used to for the most part

>>21005832
/pol/ is literally under constant 24/7 assault from multiple government agencies and NGOs. It is an insane warzone. Obviously that doesnt mean /lit/ should take over for it but there is no salvaging that board,you can only enter the storm.

>>21005839
>>21005839
Basically, modernity bad.

>>21005832
I don't know who you seemed to be addressing here but I don't post there, I peeked at it out of morbid curiosity. I need a place to discuss religious and philosophical and sociological texts, left or right, doesn't matter. /pol/ is obviously not the place for that

>>21005840
Cant say I really have noticed that. There are very in depth threads pretty frequently, especially about philosophy, that dont touch on politics much at all. There is just more traffic now

>>21005855
You haven’t been here too long then. Discussion used to be better and on topic.

Why did all the egirl posts stop all a sudden?

>>21005849
is locking supposed to be bad

>>21005843
I just think it’s bullshit that /lit/ has to pay. The tone and culture of this board is terrible now. It feels like /r9k/ with all the angst when it is supposed to be for discussing a hobby

>>21005866
I started coming here in 2013 and became regular around 2015. I think you might just be ignoring the good threads because you get annoyed by the bad ones.

>>21005870
The idea here is that supposedly before modernity one didnt need to. Although I disagree. The world has always been dangerous.

>>21005877
I don't think that is actually due to /pol/acks migrating here for the most part. Almost all of /pol/ is completely uninterested in /lit/.

What happened is mostly just that the population of /lit/ contained a number of young men who adopted /pol/ views during the 2010s, and these people started to predominate because the leftist types dont like existing alongside the fascists, whereas the facists dont mind the leftists being here.

>>21005878
So I’m getting the feeling you like how the board is now? You are defending it. Years ago threads on more niche authors could get 20+ replies with some decent analysis. Now you are lucky if you even get a few

>>21005898
i don't think this an an honest reflection of things. i'm CONVINCED the reality is that the type of person to become an overcompensating pseud overlaps with pol and lit in some sort of venn diagram. not everyone, or an average even, but a somewhat common 'profile'. the young rejected male.

>>21005898
/lit/ used to be about books, not politics. Anons weren’t divided into 2 categories that were visible like sneeches with stars and sneeches without.

>>21005912
I dont really follow how this addresses what my post said

>>21005912
This is probably largely true

>>21005843
>/pol/ is literally under constant 24/7 assault from multiple government agencies and NGOs
Meds, now.

>>21005921
it read like you're attributing this demographic to some sort of shift. im suggesting that it's always been like this. you're just noticing the trends.

>>21005915
Yes but the entire internet underwent this process in the 2010s so it wasnt a migration, it was just universal hyper politicization.
>>21005900
I dont mind the politics, I find it entertaining. Again I find that if I make a thread about literature I can pretty reliably keep it about literature and get people to engage, and I see any such threads by other people all the time.

I went in for a physical for the first time in many years. It's remarkable how little they do nowadays, the only things taken were temperature, blood pressure, height and weight. Doctor didn't even look into my mouth, nose or ears, no urine sample taken, just five minutes with a nurse and a "do you have any health concerns?". What happened?

>>21005936
>it wasn’t a migration
Then what is 2016?

>>21005950
when i last went for a physical, my doctor was a pretty lady and she touched my cock and balls

>>21005935
There was a huge shift in the 2010s though. In 2010 you could be just a "literary elitist" who read all sorts of stuff from the Greeks to Marxism to flirting with Fascism or Monarchy. It was all just part of an "intellectual bro" identity.

During the 2010s this battlefield emerged where you absolutely had to pick a side and that old literary elitist identity stopped existing. The leftist side of the divide somewhat left 4chan because they are more picky about what they will tolerate but there are still a ton of Marxist types on /lit/

>>21005961
I didn’t pick a side. I hate them both

>>21005952
That was a migration to 4chan, what I meant is that I dont believe the changing character of /lit/ was due to one board colonizing another. Obviously this is an effect as well but the process was universal all over the internet is my point.

>>21005979
>r/thedonald sub is deleted
>mass migration over to 4chan
>landing spot is /pol/
>migrating anons spread to other boards

>>21005961
there is something to it, definitely. 2010 iirc, was when there was a sort of official acknowledgement of online information warfare (by the us gov)-- as well as, the profiling and deconstruction done by NSA and private orgs with the help of facebook (and co).
i was mainly just pointing out that these types have always existed.

>>21005990
Again, I'm sure that happened, but your average/lit/ nazi is just obviously not from the Donald. For one thing they are severely more extreme than that, and for another the Donald had zero crossover with people who care about literature, even right wing literature. MAGAboomers are incredibly unsophisticated people and while you may hate the guy who posts Culture of Critique every two days he obviously is not the same type of person as an illiterate flyover redneck.

>>21006003
Gamergate seems like the official opening for the culture war.

Haven't had a single nightmare since coming to America. I don't want to go home.

>>21006011
steve bannon, had actually referenced weaponizing the same men i had been referring to (that were swept up in this outrage of GG). definitely relevant

>>21005933
too obvious and this doesn't even hold up to the slightest bit of critical thought. why in the world would government agencies not be interested in the board where several shooters posted? try actually working for your paycheck.

>>21006023
>the board where several shooters posted

Shooters posted on /lit/, or /pol/?

>>21006006
I agree that not all lit nazis are from thedonald, but I think you underestimate how many retards are here. Look at all the one liner comebacks and insults and whatnot for example. I doubt those anons add much intelligent discussion. I do think a few /pol/ anons have done what they can to brainwash /lit/. The stereotypical litizen is a prime target for brainwashing. Like the other anon said-the rejected white male who thinks he’s smart or sees clearly. I remember a few overt attempts like order of the nine angels, and the 2nd amendment anon who made threads with pics of guys with assault rifles in ski masks wearing wireframe glasses

>>21006023
i wouldn't refer to anything they're doing as 'assault', but it's also used as a testbed for various tactics. sometimes by curious/unaffiliated groups. radicalized nerds will raid and experiment. could even university students writing thesis' at times, etc.

I’d be concerned if alphabet agencies weren’t monitoring 4chan. Why shouldn’t they?

Has anyone else gotten a ghost poster lately?
Like I’ll say to the OP “Go read something”

Five, ten posts later there’s a mimic “Go read something”
Is this a bot? What the hell is it about?

Has anyone else gotten a ghost poster lately?
Like I’ll say to the OP “Go read something”

Five, ten posts later there’s a mimic “Go read something”
Is this a bot? What the hell is it about?

also, lets not forget gpt3 (with gpt4) on the way. the internet is intentionally being degraded to noise.

>>21006033
the latter

>>21006045
>>21006051
posted this before even reading seeing your (double) post:
>>21006052
i'm not familiar w the posts you're talking about, but at some point the answer to this will always be bots.

>>21006035
The most successful online right wing operations of all time were the reddit boards like "tumblrinaction", the YouTube "sjw cringe compilations", and the Twitter accounts like "libsoftiktok".

These things have a very obvious element in common which the O9A does not share and which doesn't apply to /li/ Nazis. A /lit/ nazi will never just have random right wing ideas; they will always be embedded in literary or intellectual pretensions.

>>21006053
Oh ok that makes sense. Carry on.

>>21006060
I was just using o9a as an example. My point is that I’m sure some anons have purposely tried to radicalize other anons.

>>21006068
It doesn't have a real effect. Nobody on /lit/ considers /lit/ a primary source of political reality. They get their opinions from the larger mainstream sites like twitter and then filter them into intellectual versions

4chan is a self aware backwater apart from some deluded people on /pol/. Everyone here thinks they are "one of the better ones" amid a mass of unimportant rejects.

>>21006077
>They get their opinions from the larger mainstream sites like twitter and then filter them into intellectual versions
Speak for yourself

>>21003252
I have spent $38000 in the past 4 years.
Feels bad man.

>>21006077
>Nobody on /lit/ considers /lit/ a primary source of political reality
There are definitely some here that take this culture war thing seriously. I don’t know where they get their “primary sources” but they sure fan flames here. If you had to categorize this board, it would be far right. I think it’s naive to think this culture war started and anons became far right organically. This board beats you over the head with far right views. That can rub off on some anons who are on the fence, or push moderate right wingers to radicalism. The weird thing to me is how drastically the board changed earlier this year. There were still remnants of old /lit/ post 2016 but they mostly disappeared this year.

>>21003252
What is the superior board to discuss books on occult and mystic topics: /x/ or /lit/?

>>21006102
Not including bills/mortgage/taxes I spent 27k last year. This is course includes food, gas, etc, but also a lot of probably frivolous purchases.

If you are at least able to manage your finances and can afford it, spending money on things you enjoy isn't a bad thing.

>>21006103
If you're a young white male and can speak honestly why would you not become /pol/ during the 10s? I mean do you just like apologizing

>>21006109
I stay away from politics. They seem to have a negative effect on most. I don’t have incel problems, I have a job I like, I live in a nice place, so I don’t get stressed out over things that don’t concern me. I just live my life to the best of my ability and try to keep a positive mindset no matter what.

>>21006124
>I just live my life to the best of my ability and try to keep a positive mindset no matter what.

>>21006124
Sure, that's admirable. But do you really expect young men to just say "yeah I'm awful and shouldnt have power"?

>>21006107
I am very frugal and insane about spending .
For a time, anytime I spent money I felt like i had to immediately make it back, & would even occasionally grind on survey sites to make back any expense. Lel.
I try to minimize every expense possible.
My spirit animal is an illiterate Vietnamese peasant subsisting on rice.

>>21006125
My life is good and memes don’t hurt me. If you can’t help being angry over the state of the world and enjoy stewing in it, that’s fine I suppose. Only thing that bothers me is how that mindset has reshaped this board

The biggest change is that /lit/ from 2011-2015 majority of the threads were about fiction. That was the meme trilogy and Tao Lin era. 2016 onward majority of posts are non-fiction, either politics, philosophy, or religion. It's a shame that we don't discuss fiction as much anymore but then it seems to roughly coincide with the last gasp of indie lit. Who has replaced Tao Lin and Mira Gonzales anyway? Sally Rooney I suppose and she gets her fair share of threads still. I think it's a combo of migration and changes in the literary landscape itself. I do miss when /lit/ had its own aspiring writers like Kolsti. No Gardener doesn't count. I guess I'm getting too old for this board anyhow.

>>21006134
You’re more bothered by the state of this board than by the state of the world in which you live and move and have your being and which can have actual consequences on the material and psychological, not to mention spiritual, conditions of your life?

>>21006131
I used to be bitter, but then I, and no one else, made changes in my life to have a better perspective and hence a better life. You can’t change others, only yourself. I think many anons here are what they are and make little or no effort to better themselves. They act entitled like they shouldn’t have to strive for anything. Life is ultimately what you make it, and that is up to you.

posting quality on this board would visibly improve if all frog and wojack posters were banned

>>21006144
I can move just fine in the real world. Sure, shit can be better, but I can’t change that. I just focus on doing what I can do myself to better myself. This board was the only place I came to to discuss books. I haven’t found a half decent replacement

>>21006143
I don't read fiction much, plotlines are hard to follow for the most part and I prefer to discuss topics instead of characters or plots.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JXeJANDKwDc

>>21006152

>>21006125
Pessimism is truly a plague nowadays

>>21006165
Don’t cry little frog, he didn’t mean it.

>>21006167
Well nobody believes in an immortal soul anymore. At least not in the degenerate West.

>>21006060
Don't see why that's a problem

>>21006068
tangibly related but I was "friends" with some kid in Atomwaffen years ago.

>>21006143
Maybe this is why I hate nu lit outside of the polcel stuff. I like writing as an art form, not an info dump

>>21006173
Same guy but I do and I live in the rural Midwest

>>21006173
Who cares what others believe. Stop looking at everyone else and just do your own thing. People have been complaining about the state of the world since the beginning of humanity

>>21006143
I think the better explanation is that one can get a sufficient grasp on a political or philosophical subject by just lazily watching youtube videos or skimming secondary sources. How would somebody be able to pretend to have read Gravity's Rainbow and have any sort of substantial discussion beyond surface level memes?

>>21003416
Listen to the way things sound.

>>21006144
Of course, he has divorced himself from the world to submit to his pleasures. When those pleasures he escapes in are tainted with shitposting. The seed of Eden has started to rot, but as long as he can't see it, it's fine.

>>21006180
I'm
>>21006161

We're total opposites. I prefer my art in music or visual form than written form. When I'm reading something I want a moral or allegorical form coming out of it and don't really like something unless I can learn from it. Otherwise its no different than some lady reading fifty shades or something.

>>21006132
>Education
Ah, cursed just like me.

>>21006143
/lit/ seems to have a younger demographic than even the /vg/ threads i frequent. rare for any post-college man to be reading philosophy, or with the time to write. lol. we're still here though.

>>21006195
Doesn't work for a lot of recent thinkers or those who work with modal logic or epistemology

>>21006183
Good for you anon. There is hope.

>>21006203
Speak for yourself. I'm 40 years old

>>21006191
>Who cares what others believe
People who live in a society and depend on each other to survive.

>>21006202
Not saying you have to have the same tastes, and that’s fine if you can’t see the difference in artistic writing between someone like DH Lawrence and 50 Shades of Grey, but the difference is there. Same way Mozart is a better musician than Young Thug

>>21006152
The quality of this board would dramatically improve if the OP must have at least 100 words. 70% of the threads on this board are thoughtless tripe that fall off with less than 20 replies. Endless regurgitated threads that create no discussion and that are posted with such frequency I wouldn't even call /lit/ a slow board. /out/ and /diy/ can have threads last for several days or a week, threads here last barely a day.

>>21006203
Anon, you pulled this out of your ass didn’t you?

>>21006214
Well, don’t need to be propped up

>>21006204
I never attended university. I went to trade school though and do a lot of edgy philosophy and metaphysics in my spare time. Self taught

>>21006221
What counts as education spending then? I assumed student loans.

>>21006215
Oh I get the aesthetic difference, I just get bored with things that don't engage me on an intellectual level

Get out and talk to people. The world isn’t as scary as you think

>>21006224
A lot of fiction writers embed philosophy and salient viewpoints. It has also helped me immensely socially. You can obviously read what you want, and different strokes for different folks

>>21006219
>/lit/ seems to..
what do you think this statement implies?

>>21006220
Imagine, if you will, a world where you had to make everything from scratch and depended on nothing made or done or thought up by anyone else and your actions had no consequences on anyone.

>>21006235
That you pulled it out of your ass

>>21006238
You’re just a failure

>>21006223
Other anon replying isn't me.
The education in the pic is from tuition + student loans. Degree is in English. I'm finishing my last class but I already regret it.

>>21006226
Nice jailbait

>>21006245
Lol ok attack me since you lack wit

>>21006226
I wish I was still thin and slender, now I just look like some sad goober

>>21006231
I realize this, thats why I have a few fictional books in my collection in case I change my mind. Speaking of which, how can a person change their mind if they're a physicalist? They would need surgery.

I want to believe that it's worth it. Somehow underneath the growing percentage of young women who have an OnlyFans and the dropping testosterone levels and the microplastics in organs and the massive corporate corruption and the two-faced politicians waging wars while stealing billions and the casual apathy and cruelty and rising divorce and single parenthood rates and wanton mass violence and the widening gap between left and right and rich and poor and Us and Them and the ironic, hedonistic nihilism every zoomer takes as their personal philosophy and the filth of it all there has to be some meaning, or some bit of beauty, or some goodness that makes this life valuable, and if I keep straining then one day I will uncover it and all that came before will have been worth it.

>>21006226
Shaving is the worst thing that ever happened to women

>>21006272
Even a passing knowledge of history should tell you what the world is like. We were lucky enough to experience the second half of a golden age. It's coming to an end, as they always do. Take note of the changes, but don't act like they weren't inevitable.

>>21006272
>one day I will uncover it and all that came before will have been worth it.
Godspeed anon

>>21003416
Greeks

Giving up is difficult, not easy. Don’t know where that meme came from. You have constant selective pressure on you to try hard and do things. Fighting against that is the tougher option.

>>21006272
anon, don't you understand? there's always another side, within every generation, there's always sane, kind and generous people who don't get carried away by the currents of society and its zeitgeist, like the ying yang, in evil there is some good, in good there is some evil, and those with truly good ideas and intentions slowly spread their will among their circle, then those spread it among their circle, until they become the majority, then some others will oppose that and someday they might become the majority, old people historically have always hated younger people, I think even Aristotle or some of those guys wrote some shit whining about young dudes being shits because they're not like his generation, don't let the world bring you down, if you're fighting concepts you don't like inside your head, you'll never win you'll just go mad and become a bitter old fuck like most old guys, recognize that each generation is different, and that good will prevail in some form or another, just not in the one you find familiar.
Or you could be mentally ill and can't produce those happy juices in your brain by yourself

>>21003252
KEEP MY WIFE'S NAME OUT OF YOUR MOTHERFUCKING MOUTH

>>21006226
>>>/gif/23594714

Why can’t we all just get along?

Yesterday, I went on bilibili (the Chinese equivalence of youtube) for a video essay on UC gundam & EVA. The video was nothing to write home about, but I was thoroughly shocked by the comment section. All the top posts are effortposts you would only expect to see on here, and there were more than a dozen of them, with good discussion in each thread. They reminded me of here from a few years back. There was one thread in particular that gave me a wild ride. It went from an interpretation of EVA, to a critique on how people resist alternative interpretation, to a hegelian take on semiotic meaning, eventually to a full blown argument on the validity of Hegel. It read like those autistic arguments you often find here except with actual substance rather than just dropping jargons. It's been a long time since I've had such a ride, and it got me thinking, if the same video was uploaded on youtube, you would only get those reddit tier braindead comments at best. What if the average young man in China is really like that? What if they enjoy a culture that's a lot more conducive to intellectual discussion than in the west? There were girls there who were able to engage in these discussions in a level that puts your average educated white girl to shame, and this made me reconsider the notion of the 'last man'. It's acquired concreteness. Somehow, the Chinese manage to preserve intellectualism in their youth, whereas in the west, it has gone to ruin. Of course, it is quite far fetched to argue that a tiny comment section reflects the average of a country, still it makes you think.

So there's this girl, a tall girl, with eyes like honeycomb and jasmine
Sometimes she blows cigarette smoke in your face in the break room, and you call that love
Not because it is, but because you want it to be
Because you're so goddamned lonely, so goddamned unable to handle the ocean roar in your ears when you're alone…

You tell yourself that the ash in your lungs is as good as a kiss goodnight, and you write poems about the smoke tendrils whispering off her lips
How beautiful they are, how like the aching arms of god you always wanted them to be

>>21006407
One night, you're tired, so very tired
Your eyes as heavy as water
You forget where you are, in the break room at a Walmart at 2:30 in the morning and you leave your notebook unattended on the table, left out for anyone in the world to see
One of your coworkers picks it up and reads the poems you wrote about the girl with honeycomb and jasmine in her eyes
And you panic when you realize what just happened
And you panic when you realize what just happened because the boy who picked up your notebook, he's a cruel boy
With eyes like shotguns and razorwire
He buys you razorblades on your birthday so you can do the job right next time, you fucking freak
And you can't believe that you aren't one
Can't believe you deserve to be anything
Some days, you don't even try to hide the angry marks on your arm, like your skin is a test where you got every question wrong
One night, there's a boxcutter with a brand new blade
A stack of cardboard boxes begging to feel its tooth
You dig in but something's wrong, the fiber's too gnarled and you can't seem to cut clean
You push, hard as you can, feel the stiff tangle of glue give way, and there's blood on the floor, the blade half an inch in your wrist, but you don't feel it

>>21006408
The shift manager is in your ear, angry because he has to take you to the hospital
And there's a janitor who'll forever hold it against you for staining his clean, clean floor
And there's everyone you work with and their hostile eyes glaring, knowing this was always, always coming along
That there's that cacophony, all those ghosts reminding you of your destiny for failure

>>21006412
And there's another blade
And there's a bottle of pills, a fifth of vodka, a hospital visit, two weeks of inpatient while your whole family prays for you to get better
There's a doctor with blank eyes who never looks at you
He's always scribbling things on his clipboard
Everything you say, he documents, even when you're not talking to him
You don't smoke, but you still go out for smoke breaks with everyone else on the ward because there's nothing else to do but stare at the walls, and wait for the next group session to start
So you hang out in the courtyard, not smoking cigarettes but still befriending those who do

>>21006412
And there's another blade
And there's a bottle of pills, a fifth of vodka, a hospital visit, two weeks of inpatient while your whole family prays for you to get better
There's a doctor with blank eyes who never looks at you
He's always scribbling things on his clipboard
Everything you say, he documents, even when you're not talking to him
You don't smoke, but you still go out for smoke breaks with everyone else on the ward because there's nothing else to do but stare at the walls, and wait for the next group session to start
So you hang out in the courtyard, not smoking cigarettes but still befriending those who do

You can check out anytime you want but you can never leave

i love autumn so much bros, it feels like the fresh air is taking the fragrance of macering woods in the light of the sun and the dew

>>21006397

I think I'm bisexual, but only if the man is fat. Thin men and muscular men actively repulse me.

>>21003252

I had to be sure for myself that there was nothing but suffering on the path to oblivion, before i chose to grow the light within. I have never had any reason to trust anyone's assessment of anything.

There is a special place in hell for those who neglect their children.

>>21006177
The thing that unites those 3 things is that they just directly reproduce their enemy. The entire propaganda is just "look at these faggots".

>>21006541
Why do you want for fat men to tickle your prostate?

I'm leaving

>>21006397
Interesting observations OP. But three things:

1. Chinese (especially the youth) are just as diverse in personality as anyone is in the west. If you go to China you won't have any trouble finding plenty of very interesting young people with interesting hobbies, political opinions, points of view of the world etc.

2. I would say the difference is more a function of the medium rather than the population engaging with it. As you point out, the Western internet used to be like that, but it has become algorithm'd to shit. I'm not sure what happened to youtube comments, but it probably has something to do with the way that the webpage chooses to rank comments / the ability to up and downvote comments on youtube that has contributed to its decline as a place for conversation. Also probably the fact that youtube is essentially populated by 9 year olds these days, which means that older people are not going to waste their time leaving a comment. Not sure if it's any different in China though.

3. It's an EVA video, so probably not reflective of your average bilibili comments section lol

>>21006397
midwits love democracy so much they moved into diasporas

>>21006440
The perfect face

>>21006547
No, no, I want to be the one fucking THEM. I envision myself as the one doing the fucking. I never want my asshole penetrated at all, I want to be the one doing the penetrating.

And frankly, I just have a thing for fat people. I love fat women, too. I've had an intense interest in fat since I was very young. I fantasize about sticking my dick into a big fat person, whether they're male or female.

>>21006559
>the difference is more a function of the medium rather than the population engaging with it
is obviously false, given the colossal change in demographics on the English speaking internet
also, it contradicts with this statement you made two sentences later...
>the fact that youtube is essentially populated by 9 year olds these days,

>>21006586
The perfect everything

>>21006597
Sorry I'm drunk

>>21006607
No excuses

There is no way. You are here forever. You will aways be miserable. You will always suffer. The rare moments of happiness will be undeserved and short lived. Even if you decide to kill yourself your pathetic life will play in slow motion in your mind, you'll basically relive your suffering again lol. This is your fate. You didn't chose it. There is no coming back

>>21006607
Cheers, Anon. I hope you're having a nice night

Masturbation is bad for you.

>>21003252
My 6 year old neice asked my brother why I'm not married yet.

At least my brother's response was because I don't want to hehe

But yeah, I thought I had a few more years before my neices and nephews realised I'm not a normie.

>>21006614
Correct.

I'm going to throw up, and it's going to get in my mustache again. I'm going to throw up and it takes so long to scrub out the smell. That sushi was off, that gook definitely sold me spoiled goods. Fucking cheap bastards, will run my stomach through a full cycle before they forfeit a few dollars because of their own poor inventorial management. OOOOHHHHHHH MY TUMMY HURRTTTSSS OWWWWWWIIEEEE MOOOOMMMIEEE OWWIWWIWIWIWIW

>>21006614
why is her asshole steaming

How many people do you think are lurking on /lit/ at any given time desu?

>>21003252
Fortwives aren't as good this season.

>>21006616
Did jesus ever say anything about masturbation?

I had an urge to listen to the soundtrack of the Last Temptation of Christ, but really just the opening track initially, and came across the track "passion". When I listened to it I had a specific shot of the scene where it played in mind of Dafoe as Jesus with the crown of thorn on his head.
It's quite moving actually. Ended up listening to it almost on loop on my phone with a few switches of track here and there trying to fall asleep but couldn't and looked up the scene in the end plus the singer. It's a bit funny that he was a muslim. Adds another aspect of controversy around the movie in several ways, I suppose.

>>21006629
Fornication is condemned by St. Paul in his epistles. I think he condemns masturbation pretty explicitly, too, under a more old-fashioned name.

He also very explicitly condemns gay sex, which of course makes a lot of modern fags seethe.

>>21006626
According to the super secret numbers on the top right of the page, there are 76 people here right now. Half of those are probably bots scraping keywords for magazine articles about racist communities, a third is Anons with VPNs posting with dozens of IPs to avoid bans, and the remaining might be actual users.

>>21006642
He asked about Jesus not St. Paul

>>21006643
Damn. Big if true.

>>21006643
those are for this thread specifically

Why can’t I quit this god forsaken website?

My church is made up of people who were born into it and broken people who need it. Its the broken people who interest me most.

>>21006678
You can check out anytime, but you can never leave.

>>21006619
i would save all that barf and return the goods.. if i didnt think theyd try to resell it

>>21006642
did jesus say why god invented being gay?

>>21006643
that's the number of people who have posted in this thread, newfriend. you can't see the number of people browsing it.

>>21006626
I'd guess a few thousand. I don't remember if I've seen actual stats, but I suspect there's a very significantly higher amount of lurkers compared to the posters, on any board.

i think the vax gave me the beetus

>>21006936
you shame your ancestors

>>21006939
sorry dude gotta pay rent

>>21005388
>>21005388
>>21005388
I dont even know what i want to genuinely express. I have no idea whats normal or not. Its like i have to come up with a good joke on the spot. If its too obvious its wrong and if its too vague its also wrong. And maybe the joke i thought was funny is not funny at all and im delusional. Or it is forgettable and nothing special.
Whenever i think of any idea i immediately start criticising it and take a contrarian position at the same time and it never amounts to anything. Probably if i go to a shrink hell tell me im depressed

the extreme right christcucks and philosopseuds on lit stand out like a sore thumb. even when not parroting on about your favorite subjects.
i think its only these poor rejected youth that cant tell themselves apart

I have to get this off my chest, I fucking despite with burning hatred all that 'urban' feeling poetry/writing/films where sad people drink alcohol and they dress a bit goth and they fuck a lot and reminisce of lovers and their entire deal is just romanticizing dirty streets/buildings/the city and cigarettes or drugs, I just utterly despise it and think of it as the lowest kind of art there possibly is, first of all, writing about love to me is pathetic, maybe the most run of the mill and run down topic ever, but now you taint it with what you think is aesthetic, when really is just pathetic, egocentric and fucking ridiculous, if you do this kind of shit please kill yourself and try to read books other than Bukowski and watch films other than Trainspotting, you unoriginal cunt. My god, as if all there was in life to be written about is dirty, sweaty alcohol fueled sex and Joy Division songs, why don't you try writing something that's interesting and thought provoking for once.
Those kind of writings are for absolute RETARDS and I'm tired of pretending they're not, every single person I know that likes that shit, are a waste of existence and they're stupid as shit, 'open minded' (aka somewhat bisexual, tattoos and do a series of drugs every weekend with the same group of people) and they live with their parents

We don't need more of that shit written, in fact, we as a society don't need or want you if you're into that shit, grow up cunt

>>21007144
me 2, luckily that trend (of media) is maybe 25 years passed

>>21003265
Rachel Weisz in the mummy was my sexual awakening

>>21007144
What the duck guys we have a time traveler among us.

>>21003252
I remember my cousins met some "fortune teller" type person from one of their workplace that they ended up consulting. This person basically said they had some curse on them, my brother too.

Then they did some dumbass chicken sacrifice ritual thing to "lift" the curse.
A couple of years later my aunty (my cousin's mother) got severely ill and nearly died but still very unwell and has never been the same since. And my brother married a woman who I'm pretty sure has some bad mental health issues and is not that bright. His kids are now suffering and I feel are under developed for their age. His wife just hemorrhages money and is low effort. Despite being a stay at home wife/mother their kids can barely read, the one in grade 1 can't even count to 20, and the youngest a nearly 3 year old seems very under developed for his age.

They all seem to have no impulse control form brains being fried from devices. And it's really sad to see. His wife keeps spending extravagantly and I don't see how or why my brother can't say no. She recently bought a dog despite barely looking after the kids and now I heard they're planning aholiday, like how? If they just got a dog to look after to add to their shit?

Could they have brought some sort of negative energy shit into their households over this shit?

>>21007493
>Then they did some dumbass chicken sacrifice ritual thing to "lift" the curse.
If they didn’t do it right then yeah. And most people have no idea what they are doing since they do not read and, even less, think.

anons should i move to los angeles or dc? got a job offer in both places. currently in the midwest

>>21003252
I'm fucked. I'm sleeping something like 15 hours a day, and I have 0 stamina. what do I do?

>>21007652
do you take meds?
also see a doctor.

Any favorite contemporary non-fiction writers?

I wish that determinism thread didn't die. I spent the whole thing just knocking down people's retarted unrelated arguments. I guess that's fine since whether or not it's true doesn't matter, and i was only on there for a bit of fun. I guess i'm regretting not having slightly more fun than i did.

I ought to clarify that i'm stuck with the definition of free will from my youth, where "one has sufficient control over his actions that failing to act in accordance with certain rules does and should lead to eternal suffering." If your conception of "a true freedom of the will which is actual in human experience" has to exclude that such a universe would be just, then we're talking about different things, and thats ok.

Whether or not the mind is governed by material deterministic principles, a decision is the weighing of two stimuli. You always choose the more compelling stimulus, and you don't get to decide which stimulus is more compelling. A serious drug addict has very strong compulsions, a healthy person choosing between two apples has weak compulsions, neither one gets to look inside the box and guide the magnitude of his stimuli. deterministic or not, any model which agrees with this definition of "a decision" cannot even conceive of the meaning of "freedom of will".
compatiblists just offer up alternate definitions of the free will. I knew a philosopher almost a decade ago who said "all you need is a true counterfactual", that if the conditions were different, you would have acted differently, therefore your will is free. well if i drop my book here, it lands on the table. Now if i drop it /here/, it lands on the floor. I get to decide where the book falls sure, but no one gets to decide where they /want/ the book to fall. A rational enumeration of options and consequences only keeps you from acting on first instincts, but your final decision will still be based on instincts at the bottom. To argue otherwise is to fail to recognize the is-ought gap. Values can only be grounded in other values, and the moral atoms at the very bottom are given to you and never chosen.

>>21007771
Michael Almeida

>>21007775
freedom is a truth of transcendental consciousness. freedom is true because it is immediately experienced. your "illusion" of freedom IS freedom. freedom is just a subjective feeling, and since there is no idea of freedom outside the subject and therefore no idea of determinism, you are free. freedom's truth doesn't depend on whether your actions are objectively caused by other things. If your brain does something, it was still your brain doing it, even if it was prompted to do so by an external stimuli. There is no "you" outside of your brain that would do something different if you had free will. It's not that you can't control your desires, you are your desires, there is no self that would do something different if it was free. If a "free entity" were totally unconditioned it just wouldn't do anything and therefore wouldn't exist, freedom is not equal to acausality.

>>21007493
Seems more likely that the kind of guy who would seriously consult a "fortune teller" makes bad choices in the rest of his life too

I had unprotected sex today with a qt ethot. I didn’t cum because I’m on ssris but the experience was hot and fun. I feel at peace. Think I’ll go read some philosophy books now.

>>21007590
LA unless you have political ambitions. DC has no culture whatsoever

>>21007493
Isn't it possible your brother just chose the wrong woman in his life without needing to appeal to dark magic. Surely lots of people in the world mischaracterize and choose the wrong partners, and most of them didn't perform any magic spells in their past.
That's a terrible shame that you have to think about this situation anon. I know it's hard to not worry about your brother but I think since you don't actually have any control or input over the situation you might be a lot happier just not thinking about it. I guess at least write something out and talk to your brother first and if he reacts poorly or doesn't do anything about it, if it really brings a lot of frustration into your life, I'd distance myself from that whole situation. Then again I grew up without much family in my life so familial obligations (when they're significantly, prolonguedly burdensome) feel pretty alien and unjustified to me.

>>21006678
You have to cancel the internet for a while. Do other things with your brain. Train it to do something else.

I really despise business but I think about starting one to make enough money to buy freedom from work.

>>21007822
Next Write What's On Your Mind
>>21007838
>>21007838

>>21007825
Hey, be a part of the solution
Joel Salatin makes it look so easy
https://youtu.be/9dp-5YAQ4VM

>>21007825
business is more work than "work" and it's a lot riskier since everything is your responsibility and it will probably fail. if you "hate business" but believed marxist lies that running a business just involves wearing a tophat and twirling your whiskers, well, just stick to wagin' it, kid.

>>21007793
>freedom's truth doesn't depend on whether your actions are objectively caused by other things. It's not that you can't control your desires, you are your desires, there is no self that would do something different if it was free.

I think you have a thoughtful take, but i'd like you to respond to my second paragraph using this conception of free will. I think this conception leads to at best a predestinationist, calvinist model of damnation, which was the model of my last significant christian influence, and was my last version of christianity before i abandoned religion 11 years ago. This is a very rare and narrow version of chirstianity and i can't abandon the suspicion that normal christians have some specific conception of free will which is both rational and compatible with the vision of god described in that 2nd paragraph, and i just haven't heard it yet.

>>21007875
You should consider that you don't know who is on the other end of replies here before you make comments and offer advice. You're one of many that do this.

>>21007929
it's easy to infer who would write a post like:
>I really despise business but I think about starting one to make enough money to buy freedom from work.
thanks for your concern though. now go back.

>>21007820
It's fucked up because I remembered brother mentioning how the "fortune teller" told him he would find "the one" but there will be issues

Well this woman was a different religion to us and he converted. Which caused conflict in itself and my sister took out frustrations over it complaining how our parents always supported the stupid things he does but questioned her wanting to get married straight away after college (they kept going on about her being too young)

Obviously this caused a rift. But man, I can't help my bro just chose this woman becuase he saw that the religion thing would be that "conflict/issue" that the fortune teller told him about.

And yeah and I did end up writing up a little somehting over it becuase it's getting frustrating and I've helped him out myself over the years as detailed here >>27332403

It's just the whole kids thing especially. My brother is implying they're getting a divorce (I don't know he always says it in a joking manner but I feel there is seriousness to it) but tbf, I don't feel his kids are safe with her. It honestly feels like she is completely empty headed and has no idea what she is doing or seeing the bigger picture. At the same time I sense my bro getting depressed and worried he might do something extreme at the end of it just to escape it all .

I feel like he still had it under control when he had the 1st and 2nd kid but once the 3rd kid came and covid too. Everything is slipping. Or maybe it was always like this and she is just getting exposed due to the kids getting older.

>>21008195
magic isn't real retard, neither is anything related to the paranormal, your family probably has some mental illness, ADHD shit or whatever that makes you impulsive and do stuff without thinking, the woman probably has autism/schizophrenia/dementia/BPD or some other undiagnosed mental shit that created the worst genes to pass on to kids, who must be severely mentally ill, sorry but that's it, go get checked with a psychiatrist and a shrink, you all have issues you need to work on, probably never even noticed how fucking mental you all are and think it's just normal.

Fortune telling is a scam yet you hyperfixated on in like an autist instead of considering real life issues first

>>21003261
They're barely half eaten