/lit/ - Literature

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>>20989954
why are the same 3 images counted seperately

>Call of the Crocodile is statistically the most popular book in all of /lit/

>>20989954
That pepe is the most iconic image of the 2010s

>>20989968
And the third most reposted image. Kek.

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>>20989962

They've just been cropped ever so slightly differently or have some small artifacts or compression differences that leads to them being counted as different entires in the archive even though they're not.

>>20989962
they're slight variations on the same image, a pixel is off here or there or there's some slight unperceivable color difference, something to that effect. so warosu doesn't count them as the same image.

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>>20989985
There are probably several other Pepestares with high counts. The true number is likely over 2000

>>20989954
How to spot a board of retards.

>>20989989
You can do that with filters. I'll show you

>>20990008

>2 of the 3 books/authors are obvious marketing
i knew that dfw poster had to be some kind of marketer. i'm not sure what his financial interest in shilling dfw, but it never ever seemed organic.

>>20989954
>So I would say this particular Pepe is emblematic of /lit/
You would be wrong, because it's rarely ever about literature and rarer still seriously about literature.
The frog should be grounds for insta-bans

Land bros…WE MADE IT!!

>>20990003

I think you're probably correct. What's interesting is that these variations actually arise from a specific instance where someone wants to use that particular Pepe but it's already been posted in the thread they're trying to reply to. So they open the image up in an image editing software and change the size by 1 pixel or add some other imperceivable change.

So each time that particular event happens it tends to birth a new unique variation of that Pepe.

>>20990021
did he ever show up again or has he officially died from an amphetamine overdose?

>>20990025
I've made a lot of pepes for that very reason but I usually crop them noticeably. The meaning of his expression alters subtly when you zoom in and omit some parts. #Pepeiotics

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>>20990039
Completely different pictures

Who else hates this Bush era meme now?
It’s warn out it’s welcome like five years ago hasn’t it?

really makes you realize how incredibly stupid this site is

>>20990014

/lit/ deserves the Pepes because /lit/ has been colonized by greater 4chan board culture as a whole. Pic related is /jp/'s most reposted images, you can check the rest of the count yourself:

>>/jp/reports/image-reposts

Not a single Pepe in sight. This is what a unique and insular board with its own unique culture looks like. /lit/ has nothing of the sort and so the Pepes actually are truly emblematic of /lit/ and the boards status as a vassal state of places like /pol/ and /v/.

>>20990060
pepe wasn't a meme in the bush era dude, but definitely played the fuck out.

>>20990066
should we (/tv/) colonize /jp/ next? i could post marisa's breasts any day

>>20990066
The frog is from reddit

>>20990066
it's just that /lit/ is a low traffic board so autistic buffoons and viral marketers have a much bigger impact

>>20989980
Don’t most Call of the Crocodile threads get deleted eventually? The real number has to be way higher.

>>20990066
Starepepe was always going to become popular on /lit/ because of the "loner" ethos and focus on the absurd that have always existed here. /pol/ actually prefers "are you serious" Pepe iirc

>>20990075
yeah the original "feels good man" pepe didn't look like that.

>>20989959
I wish all gardniggers would kill themselves.

>>20990067
Yeah, it fucking was.
Do you even know what he’s referring to here?

>>20990066
>Butterfly has posted this 303 times
Lmfao

>>20990076

/diy/ has significantly less traffic than /lit/ and they don't have any Pepes in their most reposted images. In fact they hardly have any re-posted images at all, period. Their most reposted image is a board meta meme that's been reposted a paltry 48 times.

You need to face up to the fact that not only has /lit/ been colonized by greater 4chan board culture but that the people here are also significantly less original and tend to repeat themselves much more than their equivalents on a board like /diy/.

>>20990066
> Tsunowaki
A new meme!

>>20990098
go look at some archive from 2007, it was just one among a ton of other memes like "ya'll postin' in a troll thread", longcats, chargin mah lazers, and a bunch of other shit. then pepes grew like an invasive species and destroyed everything else until it's basically the mickey mouse of 4chan. extremely sad outcome, t b h.

>>20990100
People kept asking for it.
This meme single handedly drained the board for the best posters. Because they all left to live fulfilling lives

>>20990119
oh believe me, i know /lit/ sucks, but part of it is because we're stuck with a couple stinkers who obsessively post the same trash over and over.

>>20990123
>t was just one among a ton of other memes

>>20990123
Pepe and wojak have actually somewhat been replaced by Gigachad and soijak in recent years. I find Gigachad is not a very versatile meme though. Maybe because he is an image rather than a cartoon

>>20990128
I'm a film teacher though. I'm just trying to educate y'all

>>20990129
"feels good man" is not the same as pepe and doesn't have the same political connotations. you obviously weren't there.

>>20990132
Jak is jak is jak. It’s dead too. An ugly nasty zombie, but that’s what the people who post it are inside.

>>20990132
thank god gigachad breathed some new life into this shitty site. plus gigachad has an interesting side effect to make people conscious of the halo effect of if a good looking person likes something lame it's suddenly not lame. gigachad is way better than pepe. the wojacks don't get as stale as pepe because the only pepe derivative is apu, but wojack has soijacks, 30 year old boomers, grug, etc.

Look at all these internet historians wannabe itt

>>20990146
you don't need a historian if you lived it, newbuddy

>>20990149
Been here since 18' buddy

>>20990138
You are far too upset about cartoon images on 4chan
>>20990139
Pepe has several derivatives, the groypers for example, Pagliacci, and there are a few whose names I dont know like pic related.

Gigachad can be funny but it's kind of always the same joke

i wonder if the rise of pepe and death of classic 4chan is related to moot selling the site. notice he sold it right before 2016 when the site culture changed for the worse.

>>20990146
I am on the premier pepenomers in the world, show some respect

>>20989954
It is a bit of an oversight that you do not give the good people of /lit/ the credit for telling people to start with the greeks.

someone post the greentext of the cataract guy describing pepes for his brother to post

>>20989954
anybody ever notice that nick land fella looks kinda like ted bundy?

>>20990168
My album pepe had over 1800 unique pepes before i deleted it
Not even joking

>>20990134
You keep moving your goal post around this field and I have already said the whole fucking field is the subject. This is the same Pepe from Boys Club. A Bush era meme.
It is old and tired

>>20990167

The only reason the site even still exists is because moot made some sort of faustian deal where he agreed to go work for Google and the CIA in exchange for them keeping the site online forever. He's literally Batman at the end of The Dark Knight and if you haven't realized this yet you're exceedingly dull.

>>20990190
i'm not arguing it's not old and tired. it absolutely is. it just wasn't the 4chan mascot in the bush era. that is a new development.

>>20990187
Admirable, yet zoological; I prefer to study structural pepenomics by closely examining a limited number of essential pepes.

>>20990158
I am tired, so very tired of this ugly thing and the ugliness it brings. Like every fucking time they have nothing to say the post some ugly face. I hate ugly uncreative memes that don’t ever change. These people are ugly and uninspired. It’s more than the cartoons, it the dead inside people.

Pepe and wojak are just indicative of the 4chan malaise

>>20990198
You will look at the frog
You will download the frog
You will repost the frog

>>20990198
he got screwed by venture capitalists. they got him to take their money for that stupid drawquest shit or whatever which would obviously fail. then that gave them leverage to pry 4chan out of his hands.

>>20990200
>that is a new development.
As new as the Obama administration!
GEEEEEEZ

>>20989959
Fuck off Gardner

>>20990211
yeah as soon as i see that shade of green i think what idiot is making that post? now i tend to just scroll by them like it's filler. it's also so tainted by overuse by the_donald its descendants that it just feels anchored in 2016-2020. stale, stale, stale.

nick land has gone missing in hyper china. its up to you to solve the mystery in this high octane action video game coming this fall

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KVp7reMeSSI

>>20990211

I'd posit that those images rising from their humble roots* to near immortal godhood is indicative of their incredible relatability and function, less so their appeal to lazy uncreative people. They're tapping into something primordial and chthonic in the collective unconscious. You wouldn't look at hieroglyphics and talk about how lazy and uncreative it is that people still use pictographs.

*Incredibly humble in the case of Wojak as it began on the Polish Karachan and later migrated to Krautchans /int/ before making the big leap to 4chan

>>20990243
it's more of a brand like mickey mouse

>>20990233
You're a lowercasefag so you really have no leg to stand on re judging posting etiquette.

>>20990243
I've always thought of pepe as being the consciousness of taboo. He exists precisely in the locus where awareness meets what we arent supposed to think about. This is what his stare means, that you are ignoring the unpleasant truth

>>20990248
imagine moving your pinky to hit shift for a 4chan post.

>>20990217

You're either woefully ignorant or deliberately misremembering things on purpose. The person who """bought""" 4chan from moot is not any sort of venture capitalist he was previously involved with. It's Hiroyuki Nishimura the creator of 2chan.

Also it wasn't really bought because Hiro is broke. He's more like the executor of a trust that 4chan has been put into. Google and the CIA pay to keep it online and Hiro manages it. moot saw the writing on the wall and realized this was the only way to keep the website from being destroyed. Look at 8 chan or better yet the recent events with Kiwi Farms to see what happens to sites like this that don't make a deal with the devil as moot did.

>>20990271
Why would google and the cia pay to keep 4chan running? If anything 4chan annoys them because of /pol/ but they dont consider it enough of a threat or they would it ax it like they did 8ch

>>20990271
https://techcrunch.com/2014/01/21/when-goods-not-good-enough/

>>20990277
that guy's a bozo trying to misdirect

>>20990292
https://www.engadget.com/2015-01-22-moot-retires-4chan.html

>>20990277

>Why would google and the cia pay to keep 4chan running?

Because moot works for them now. That's what I meant by a faustian deal. We'll never know exactly what moot gave them or what he's continuing to provide for them but it was enough for them to agree to his terms: that they keep the site online regardless of how much trouble it causes.

>they dont consider it enough of a threat or they would it ax it like they did 8ch

Alright that's it. You're a midwit. I'm not replying anymore. If you can't put two and two together like this there's no hope for you. 4chan is the NUMBER ONE site that SHOULDN'T still exist. 8 chan and Kiwi Farms are small potatoes in comparison. 4chan is being protected and kept online and all signs point to that coinciding with moot """selling""" the site and going to work for Google.

Connect the dots dipshit.

>>20990300
Meds

Pepe rivals even Call of the Crocodile here? Damn.

>>20990300
8ch had Tarrant and a ton of guys like him networking in months long threads. There is nothing like that anywhere on 4chan

Can you just spit out what you're implying? Because NSA doesn't need some "deal" to get all the data they want from here.

>>20990243
Dionysian and Apollonian shit.

>>20990300
Kf also has much greater organizational capacity than 4chan. The last time 4chan actually did anything was the HWNDU prank, which was very funny but not exactly the sort of thing glowies care about much

>>20990190
>https://www.wsj.com/articles/SB121564928060441097
here is a bush era article about 4chan from the wsj. it talks about a lot of memes, but no where is pepe or any derivative mentioned.

>>20989954
>So I would say this particular Pepe is emblematic of /lit/ as a whole.
That pepe has been posted on other boards for years too.

>>20990066
not /jp/ but on /vt/ we also a "unique culture" and its not anything special, the ones that are circled in red are "ritual posts" which essentially means that one guy posts it every single thread with a small message, the first one just says "I love Ina" every single time, the 3rd one (which didn't load so I pasted it in) says "Mumei a cute!" every single time. Its true for all of them, one autist who spams the same image and message thousands of times. The question mark image on the top row is associated with dumb questions, you could easily replace with it the poorly drawn stupid looking pepe, the sad shark on the second row is always associated with doomposting, you could replace it with a doomer wojak, sad pepe or that sad cat image from the /jp/ image in your post. The three similar images are just a small sample of "ogey" images which are basically the /vt/ version of pepe or wojaks (there are 37 pages of "ogey" images on the hololive booru). You can argue that its better than wojak and pepe but its really just a more on-topic version and on /vt/ you get banned for posting wojaks, so yjacks, or pepe (which is good). The middle right image is basically the only good one in this image. I would still take it over seeing wojaks, pepes, and so yjacks though.

>>20990066
There's nothing special about board culture like that. Plus start with the Greeks is a great /lit/-core meme among other things. You boiling down the culture to top 10 images when this a board about the written word is a bit off the mark to me.

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>>20990341

You realize 8 chan and KF are off shoots and derivatives of 4chan right? This is the head of the dragon. If the site wasn't being protected it would have been dismantled ages ago. The cognitive dissonance going on here is palpable. All of the major tech companies and ISPs are in lockstep on this: 4chan stays up. The media will also be eerily complacent in all this. There's reportage on the exploits of the site but never calls for it to be banned or de-platformed. How has /pol/ go on to influence countless people who have themselves been de-platformed but the board itself has never faced any repercussions whatsoever?

4chan is a protected site, most likely by Google, possibly the US government as well. moot did something to assure that. I'm sure dozens of large and powerful forces have attempted to have it dismantled and all of them have run into the problem of finding out something much larger and much more powerful has deigned that the site stays up, no matter what.

I cannot possibly imagine what moot did to pull that off but it's beyond obvious he did something at this point.

Literature isn't a visual medium, so it isn't surprising /lit/ doesn't have a distinct visual identity

>>20990369
Just an image forum bro

>>20990369
Have you considered that they just dont care about 4chan? They dont think it matters that much. When they get spooked by something they shut it down very effectively. For example they're obviously quite concerned with right wing Twitter and make sure to ban anyone there who steps out of line and gets many followers. Andrew anglins website is delisted on google even.

The only thing they seem to do with 4chan is have shills on /pol/, and they do everywhere online where politics are discussed. Because again what does /pol/ actually do? It basically just reposts twitter links at this point, and it's not like anyone can organize anything long term on therr when a thread lasts hours at most

>>20990390
4chan is basically just too big too fail. that's really all there is to it.

>>20990363

>There's nothing special about board culture like that.

Actually there's a lot of things that are special about it but chief among them is the boards ability to stave off the influence of the rest of the site. The boards that have a strong internal culture don't have pepes or wojaks. The boards that have a weak board culture get colonized by the larger culture of the site as a whole.

/lit/ has a weaker board culture than /jp/. Now we can debate until we're blue in the face about if one or the other is superior but that's irrelevant to the conversation. /jp/ has its own unique board culture and if you go there and post pepes or wojaks people either wont reply to you or will straight up tell you to leave.

On 4chan that is genuinely special and unique. Maybe only about 20% of the boards on the site have that.

/lit/ doesn't, sorry.

>>20990401
4chan is not that big and if it did anything serious very consistently it would just take some pressure on the web hosting to get it taken down. Kiwi farms just got taken down for good because they kept doxxxing and swatting trannies.

>>20990404
/jp/ culture is just worthless coomer shit.
Oh so unique and special omg!

>>20990404
>/jp/ has its own unique board culture and if you go there and post pepes or wojaks people either wont reply to you or will straight up tell you to leave.
That's because it's some offshoot of /a/ which has typically been pretty strict about it too. And like I said, "board culture" is more than just a list of top 10 images. Your tunnel visioning on this one specific thing. I don't know why you're telling me "sorry" either. Personally I'd rather see pepes than variations of cute anime girls anyways. It's not like these two things don't serve very similar functions, it's just that Otakus like yourself prefer the anime. Your argument is shallow and has become some extension of /qa/ wars where anime fags and pepe fags alike went back and forth. Both are just spamming reaction images that serve the same function.

>>20990390

Everything you're talking about traces its origins back to 4chan. You don't think its the least bit suspicious that the place that births all of these people and ideas that later go on to be banned, censored, or de-platformed is for some reason just allowed to continue to exist unabated?

The amount of people in this thread who don't have a modicum of critical thinking regarding this issue is absurd. Especially when moot literally "sells" the site and then goes on to work for the most powerful tech-company in the world. The fact that you all just accept that those two events share no correlation is beyond ridiculous.

what i dont get is how s4s could be a meme making machine for years but i never see any of their memes leave that board.

its just the same wojak and pepe on rest of 4chan

>>20990404
/lit/ appropriated bugs bunny/big chungus as a pynchon totem for a while, but it kinda fizzled out.

>>20990435
Stop making vague intimations instead of stating what you think happened, it incredibly annoying, and nobody can address your point if you wont clarify what it is.

It's also not true that 4chan is the origin of all dissident politics. The alt right sprang up all over the internet simultaneously in the early 10s, anywhere that didnt censor it entirely. And of course there have been sites like Stormfront for decades. Again 8ch had literal terrorists plotting on it for months and KF doxes all kind of targets that the regime likes to protect. What does 4chan do remotely comparable to that? It's basically just edgy YouTube comments

>>20990431
wow good point. pepes are god awful, but if they were suddenly replaced by random anime bullshit i would truly leave this site and never return. anime is just bad.

>>20990431

I don't think you're the original poster I replied to. Go back and read all of my posts in this post reply chain. I was originally replying to this post:

>>20990014

Is that you? Because if it's not you entered the conversation halfway through and replied to one of my posts as if you were that poster. I'm not an Otaku and I don't use /jp/ or /a/. I'm also not against Pepes or Wojaks I defended them in this very thread in this post:

>>20990243

My main argument is that the concerned Pepe IS indeed emblematic of /lit/ because /lit/ is a vassal state of the larger boards like /pol/ and /tv/ so it deserves to be represented by a Pepe. It's perfectly apt and fitting. /jp/ does not because it has its own unique board culture and rejects the culture of the rest of the site.

I'm not on any particular side in this discussion I'm just stating the reality of the situation.

>>20990435
moot didn't even stay at google for that long. they probably hired him to mine his mind with regard to community moderation and maybe image caching or something, and then bid him adieu. google hires lots of washed up tech dudes like all those geezers from bell labs etc.

>>20990431
Not him but I think the pepes and wojaks are a visual indicator of the board quality, /tv/, /r9k/, /v/, /pol/ and boards like them that are full of wojaks also have a catalog that is full of offtopic bait threads. It seems like the kind of people who love posting wojaks also love making threads that significantly lower the quality of the board. Despite /vt/ constantly being in the top 5 fastest boards and regularly being the fastest whenever anything happens you would struggle to find a single thread in the catalog that resembles the classic "what video games let me do this" with an attached image of some political current event. Perhaps its not the wojaks or pepes themselves that are bad but they signal to the people who shit up threads that they are in good company.

>>20990462
I'd also add that a lack of wojaks doesn't mean that a board is perfect, just that it has different issues that aren't caused by /v/shitters spamming their s oyjaks

>>20990462
man this board sucks ass. the few of us left who read books should just go on strike, permanently.

>>20990453

>nobody can address your point if you wont clarify what it is.

My point is moot made some deal with someone that keeps the site protected and online. Of course I can only make vague suggestions of what I think happened because I don't know and never will.

My theory perfectly explains why the site is allowed to continue to exist unabated. Everyone else in this thread who is against me is not necessarily wrong (no one in this argument can be right or wrong because none of us know what actually happened or will ever know) BUT the people who are against me must recognize that they do not have a reasonable explanation for why the site is allowed to continue to exist, while I do.

The only argument they can make is "it's not actually that bad bro" when it's actually possibly the WORST and most QUALIFIED candidate for dismantling because of how many things it has birthed such as 8 chan and kiwi farms among many other spree killers and domestic terrorists.

>>20990458

The public side of this story is irrelevant to what we're discussing. Of course it will not reflect what actually happened if moot got placed onto some black project between Google and the DOD.

>>20990488
twitter literally has guys from isis posting execution videos dude. it doesn't get kicked off the internet because it's a public company possibly worth as much as 44 billion dollars. 4chan isn't that big, but it's clearly too big to cancel.

>>20990494
>contradicting yourself in the same sentence
is it possible to learn this power?

>>20990536
what're you tryna say butters? you're the one doing all the pepe posting?

>>20990534
idk read a book about nuance i guess you autist?

>>20990494

>it's clearly too big to cancel.

You're a zoomer, don't reply to my posts. This doesn't even mean anything and I believe you have a very poor understanding of the situation. 4chan has for years been the internets boogyman. If there was ever a site that should be dismantled, de-platformed, completely blocked from the clearweb etc. it is this one.

It actually came very close during the fappening which was unsurprisingly shortly before moot """sold""" the site. He saw the writing on the wall. He understood that if he didn't do something 4chan would be destroyed. The site was getting itself into bigger and bigger trouble and he had to find a solution without curtailing peoples ability to post whatever they want.

The thing about moot which again you will not know or understand because you are a zoomer; is that he was a consummate idealist. He believed in the idea of internet anonymity and free speech more than anyone else. He fought for it for years at great damage to his own finances and personal life as well as his public reputation. Then in the darkest hour when he saw the small flame that he had cultivated was likely to be stamped out; he made a deal with the devil.

He already had contacts with the alphabet agencies through the fappening and events like the 2007 Boston Mooninite panic. I believe through Google he inked out some sort of deal with the state department to guarantee 4chan was allowed to continue to exist. It makes perfect sense and explains why the site has been responsible for so much chaos and destruction but never pays a price.

It's possible 4chan is even part of something much larger and it needs to stay online to assist with continued research for something else. Google and the US government would have no problem keeping moots baby alive if he's developing something for them that allows them to mog the shit out of China in the coming decades. Of every tech bro in silicon valley moot is the one most likely to be tapped for something like this because of his role in creating 4chan and the absolute insane influence its had over the world.

>>20990547
Oh look. I can search for pictures too
https://duckduckgo.com/?q=daisies+movie&t=h_&ia=images&iax=images

>>20990066
wish one of these had a stealth jak

>>20990559
4chan is just a 2chan clone so unless moot can find another japanese site to ripoff i don't think he's going to come up with much. tiktok is just a vine clone, so i'm not saying there's no value in what he did, there clearly was, but that kind of success is unlikely to be reproducible.

>>20990455
Fair enough. I just don't think it matters too much. People who post on those boards typically think what they have is much superior to the other, and I'd say the feeling is mutual. But when I look at it all as a whole I just see different flavors of the same shit. You could make a case for off-topic posting to get me a little more interested but I'd need a closer examination at how truly on-topic they are on those boards beyond images. One thing that seems to never change is trolls, bait posts, and flame wars. Especially when it comes to consumerist activities.

>>20990561
daisies is like permanently only the main page of criterion channel. it's not obscure, butters.

>>20990559
>absolute insane influence its had over the world.
Has any other forum has as much influence? SA maybe?

>>20990572

You're not thinking hard enough. moot is a very unique individual. His value isn't just in creating 4chan but his management of it as well. Countless other people have also ripped off 2chan and created English language imageboards. They didn't have anywhere near the same level of success. moot also wouldn't be tapped to do something as simplistic as create a new hit social media platform or a sequel to 4chan. His value isn't in the profits he can generate. His value is in his immense insight into the collective unconscious of the internet. The power of the chaos of 4chan is awe inspiring.

The Chinese have a term that roughly translates to "Human Flesh Search Engine" the ability for a bunch of random unconnected Chinese netizens to work together to track down someone from a grainy photograph or video in a matter of hours. That's something the worlds best intelligence agencies struggle to achieve. 4chan has constantly done the same thing among many other feats. If Google or the US Government recognized this it's not even remoetly farfetched that they would want moot working for them.

moot also for years had access to the backend of 4chans operations and could see everyones unique IP address. I believe he gained some dark insights into the nature of our world. There's so much more to this story, like the fact that moot gave the site to Hiro who had his own imageboard hijacked by an ex-US military agent who would later go on to acquire 8 chan as well.

4chan still being online is strange, moot """selling""" it and going to work for Google is strange, the person he gave it to had just dealt with their own very strange dealings. The whole situation is strange and there's more going on here. But everyone who's disagreed with me in this thread is either a zoomer who's been here for 2 years or someone who just doesn't think about these things very critically and just accepts the idea that 4chan is allowed to terrorize the world while people who commit seriously less grievous offences get completely digitally obliterated.

None of it makes any sense, until you consider the possibility that moot is working for someone who makes sure 4chan stays up as part of his contract. Very few people could offer such a thing. It would have to be one of the most powerful tech companies in the world or a state department. moot has dealings with both.

>>20990633
4chan had to switch away from google captchas recently because that was a weak point that a cancel mob could go after.

>>20990633
>allowed to terrorize the world
Several people have tried to tell you this is simply false. Terrorize how? 4chan is not responsible for what its offshoots do

>>20990633
It's also weird how Moot has been completely dark ever since he left. But he also did have plenty of good reasons for doing exactly what he did, and google and other big tech companies are known to aquire people who prove themselves in the digital world like that. Your theory is dazzling but is hardly conclusive. I do think there's definitely some use to this site as a general honeypot, anyone who isn't adequately defended can be tracked down by authorities if they need to be. You could be right I'm just saying there's not enough information here.

>>20990066
>>20990352
>tranime

>>20990655

>4chan is not responsible for what its offshoots do

When has that ever mattered in the current world we live in? Kiwi Farms also shouldn't be held responsible for what a few unhinged posters do. The reality of the situation is that none of this matters. If the powers that be want you gone for whatever reason thats it. And 4chan ticks every single box for something that SHOULD have been de-platformed and dismantled from the clear net ages ago. Yet it survives and it's very strange. It's almost as if someone is protecting it and keeping it online.

>>20990655

>4chan is not responsible for what its offshoots do

When has that ever mattered in the current world we live in? Kiwi Farms also shouldn't be held responsible for what a few unhinged posters do. The reality of the situation is that none of this matters. If the powers that be want you gone for whatever reason thats it. And 4chan ticks every single box for something that SHOULD have been de-platformed and dismantled from the clear net ages ago. Yet it survives and it's very strange. It's almost as if someone is protecting it and keeping it online. It's almost as if it's the pet project of someone who now works for Google or a US State Department.

Does this mean this is the frogposter equivalent of this board or is it more like sneedposts?

>>20990717
Very much like sneed (forced)

>>20989968
You're making the mistake of thinking different anons post it instead of just the one skitzo. If you know anything about 4chan you know the odds of it being a single skitzo are very high

>>20990661

Something we know for sure was that Jim Watkins stole 2chan from Hiroyuki Nishimura. He then went on to purchase 8 chan from Hot Wheels. I believe he was aiming for 4chan next. Either through buying it outright or stealing it like he did with 2chan. The way he stole 2chan was by approaching Hiro and offering to host the site. Hiro has had innumerous legal battles throughout his life as a result of creating and running 2chan; as Japan has extremely strict laws regarding defamation due to their culture of honour being everything.

In recent years with so many controversial sites having hosting issues I believe Jim Watkins tactic of offering to host a site and solve their domain issues, then stealing it for himself would actually work better today than ever before. Hiro fought Watkins for years in Japanese court and ultimately won but it was a pyrrhic victory as Japan has no legal jurisdiction over the Philippines where Watkins is based. To this day he still has control of 2chan and Hiro has had to give up and run a clone of the original site that uses a new and different URL.

We know Watkins is ex-US Military. We don't know who exactly he's working for. I actually doubt it's a US state department because of what 8 chan would later go on to do. If he had gained control of 4chan as I believe was his original intent, he would have controlled the worlds 3 most important imageboards. Someone wanted that to happen for some reason. Who is this strange unknown party in all this?

Shortly after this all goes down moot "sells" 4chan to Hiro. What exactly is going on there? What I believe is that moot wasn't just concerned about 4chan being shutdown but someone like Watkins trying to outright steal the site. Because Hiro had first hand experience with creating an imageboard, nurturing it, and protecting it at all costs, only for it to later be stolen from him under his nose; Hiro was actually the one true perfect candidtae to pass ownership of 4chan to. No one else would be better prepared to safeguard it because no one else would have been through the experience of having had it been stolen from them.

>>20990774

The thing is I don't believe Hiro actually "owns" 4chan because I don't believe he ever "bought" it from moot because I don't believe moot ever "sold" it. Hiro is like an executor who is in charge of managing a trust. He runs 4chan because moot couldn't see Google or a US State Department running it. He knew that would have disastrous results. They themselves probably didn't want to have their hands dirty. He needed a neutral third party to actually control and run the site while someone much more powerful guaranteed it would stay online.

Hiro has basically had zero legal issues with running 4chan since taking over the site. That to me is the smoking gun. moot had countless legal issues while running the site. Near the end it was almost monthly with things like the fappening and gamergate. Then Hiro takes it over and all that dissipates. Why? 4chan didn't get less controversial, what happened next was its role in the 2016 US presidential election. Arguably the largest wielding of its chaotic influence yet. Not to mention cancel culture has only gotten 100 times stronger and more powerful. People, organizations, and ideas are being de-platformed left and right. 4chan managing to continue operating completely unabated is absolutely beyond the pale and a complete anomaly.

My theory continues to be: because moot made some sort of deal with someone. I keep saying Google because they're the most likely candidate but we really don't know. But he essentially put the site in a trust, gave it to Hiro to manage, and then went off into the sunset to work for someone while they guaranteed protection of his baby. He knew this was the only way to do it, Especially after he saw 2chan get stolen by Jim Watkins. He knew he was next, if it wasn't the site getting de-platformed or stolen it could have possibly been him just getting outright killed. If moot hadn't done whatever it is he did 4chan would have been relegated to the dustbin of history by now.

We still don't know who was behind Jim Watkins and his coup of gaining control of 2chan and 8 chan. They could be extremely dangerous. moot deciding to do things this way also guarantees his own safety.

>>20990717
Gardnerposting is more like BanePosting

>>20990094
Ehery gardnernigger is an ironic garndernigger. DFW would be disappointed.

>>20990778
>Then Hiro takes it over and all that dissipates. Why? 4chan didn't get less controversial, what happened next was its role in the 2016 US presidential election. Arguably the largest wielding of its chaotic influence yet.

I remember when Moot left, he was getting trashed specifically by /pol/ a lot at the time. He seemed to have ample reasons to want to actually give it up, and hasn't Hiro monetized 4chan differently since? I guess you could say his reasons were just useful excuses to really do what you say, but I'm skeptical. Furthermore there is nothing illegal about 4chan getting a little wild during the 2016 election, elections are full of emotional frenzy and I think that has more to do with the general tone these days in American politics. Look at kiwi farms, they actually did get taken down very recently, and they'd been up for years causing mischief. Why? Because someone with influence and a following put pressure on them. 4chan isn't that bad these days and it's far from organized. As long as you're not breaking laws there's nothing that can be done realistically. I think your dark knight theory is pretty cool and I like the way you write about it though. Also I just remembered that Moot left Google not that long ago.

>>20990151
Yesterday?

>>20990811

There was much more to moot just getting dragged by some people on the site. He was becoming aware of the fact that he was the weakest link when it came to keeping 4chan online. He was the human face of the site and as a US citizen, he knew this, he knew it was a problem. Near the end of his ownership of the site he was getting cozy with the liberal silicon valley scene and knew the outrage mob could come for him.

Something I also haven't mentioned until now is the sort of weird barrier of protection that 4chan gains by having a Japanese owner. It's actually pure genius and one of the reasons I believe moot is a real Light Yagami or Lelouch vi Britannia style character. The Japanese government is incredibly protective of their own citizens, companies, and national interests. Outspoken pressure from the US based outrage mob would do little to affect them. On top of this because 4chan is an English language site the Japanese government also has zero interest in moderating it or caring about what's being said on here.

So in a way 4chan is sitting in this weird anomalous zone where the country its based in will not only protect it vehemently but simultaneously gives zero fucks about what happens on it. That is the complete opposite of its situation were it based in the US with moot running it still. That's where it would have no protection and the government would care immensely about what was being said on it. and there would be huge pushes against moot personally to censor it.

All of this stuff adds up. moot had to leave the site, he had to give it to hiro, he had to go work for Google, these were all smaller pieces in a larger plan with the end goal of finding a way to keep 4chan online in a world that was becoming increasingly more hostile to it.

And I think he succeeded. While the rest of the internet burns down around us 4chan remains but it's NOT because "durr the sites not that important dude" or "duhh it's too big to fail brah". There's such an insane amount of people and organizations that would love to see this place levelled to dust. You're insane to think otherwise.

No.

The reason the site is still up is because moot worked his ass off to come up with some insane plans to ensure its protection. It also meant he had to walk away from his favourite creation that he loved and believed in no matter what. Even while everyone on here was dragging him and calling him names and saying they hated him and were glad he was leaving the site. Secretly he was doing what he had to so we'd all be able to shitpost forever.

Cheers moot

>this thread
>139 replies

>>20990847
>moot worked his ass off
Didn't he half-vandalize /pol/ just before leaving? Every post had cuck automatically appended to it, or something like that.

>>20989954
I WANT DADDY NICK LAND TO IMPREGNATE MY ASSHOLE WITH HIS HYPERSPERM

>>20990881
He put flags and IDs on the board. Something else too I forget what exactly it was but it was only for like a day

>>20989954
Where is the picture of Guénon (pbuh) ?

Kino

>>20990881

Here's the difference between moot and anyone else. Anyone else would have just deleted /pol/ instead of adding a silly word filter. moot actually did that once before with /r9k/ and he was honestly completely justified in that. The board had turned into one of the worst cesspools on the site. It would later go on to create Wizard-chan, which then lead to 8 chan. /r9k/ was genuinely the breeding ground that created spree killers like Alek Minassian.

And yet, you know what moot did? He undeleted /r9k/ and he apologized. He said despite him disliking the board and what it had become he was wrong to have taken it away from the people who called it home. moot is 100 times the bigger man than just about anyone else on this site and I refuse to see his name slandered. I don't know what anyone here ever did to deserve someone as magnanimous as moot. It's almost impossible to find someone today who will actually fight to defend free speech the way he did. moot was one in a million.

>>20990404
Alright you convinced me. I’m never frogposting or jakposting on /lit/ again because I actually like this board. I’m still going to shit up /f*t/ though.

>>20990014
As a Kekistani I no longer feel safe on this sub.

10/10 thread

>>20990958
We should watch each other's back

>>20990988
On some other board.

We need... More frogs?

>>20989959
fpbp

>>20991035
In your windpipes

NO
MORE
FROGS

>>20989954
>>20989954
>>20989954
Can someone tell me why I need it start with the Greeks, I’m a brainlet

All I want to do is read fiction

>>20991050
My god... How can you say such a thing... *sniff*

>>20989954
That Greeks chart is garbage

>>20991084
It's actually the Greeks themselves shilling their old stuff to stay relevant.

>>20991035
We need more cats.

>>20990134
>political connotations
It's just a funny frog from reddit/twitch unless you're a californian journalist.

>>20990847
As I see it there are numerous fallacies employed in your argumentation.

You subtly equivocate between “deplatforming” as it relates to figures being removed from YouTube, Twitter, and other social media sites (or even university campuses) and “deplatforming” as it relates to a website being taken down from the internet. It is indeed true that the leftist mob is in control of the major tech companies and the universities, and it is true that they regularly deplatform right-wing views. However their power wanes significantly when we talk about websites being taken down. They could ban Alex Jones from all the major social media sites, but they couldn’t take down his website entirely. Of course they’re not completely powerless in this regard: as you mention, they delisted the Daily Stormer from Google search engine. But notice: their power is much much weaker here. Delisting is a weaker form of censorship than removal, and many far-right websites (Gab, Occidental Obersver, various blogs, etc.) are not de-listed at all. The only way they can persecute any website is to use media to pressure ISPs and web server providers, but nothing prevents a renegade provider (in Russia usually) from hosting the site. So we need to be circumspect in our appraisals of the left’s power in this regard.

Secondly, there’s an equivocation between KiwiFarms/8cham and 4chan. The worst examples you could think of on 4chan are “the Fappening” and GamerGate (which was actually banned on 4chan), whereas on 8cham you have terrorists planning for months in a single thread about how they’re going to carry out their plans and actually doing it, and in KiwiFarms you have threads dedicated to doxxing and harassing people into suicide. Yes, 4chan has some dark elements and a lot of racism, but you won’t find something like that here because it’s not so dedicated to free speech as the others are. This is a good thing in my estimation because freedom rarely breeds virtue.

So in summary:
1) the left isn’t so powerful to shut down any website they please. Only websites engaged in actual harassment of individuals will be persecuted, but even then it’s impossible to remove them entirely as evidenced by the fact that both KiwiFarms and 8cham still exist.
2) 4chan simply isn’t as chaotic as those other websites. They took the ideal of 4chan too far and they were persecuted not for being right wing but for hosting discussions leading to actual real world terrorism.

>>20991376
>4chan simply isn’t as chaotic as those other websites. They took the ideal of 4chan too far and they were persecuted not for being right wing but for hosting discussions leading to actual real world terrorism.
This is true. Any group derivative of some other organic social group is like that original group on steroids simply due to the nature of the people its likely to attract and what they already value (an image/aesthetic) as opposed to what the people in the group that formed organically valued (an ideal such as free speech.)

>>20990066
>/vt/rannies looking down on any other board
you are beneath even /v/

>>20990021
accfag your spamming doesn't mean shit.

>>20990881
He took the captcha off for free speech. It's not his fault so many people wanted to repeatedly rape /pol/ until it was as retarded as /b/ in the Billy Mays phase; it's /pol/'s fault for repeatedly asking for it and then expecting us to act like heterosexual moralfags.

>>20991188

>>20989954
This doesn't seem right, laughing girls meme?

>>20990881
should have been shut down like he promised

>>20990911
how come when I do that w*men just call me creepy...

Why would any alphabet boy "negotiate" with moot? Why would they need to? Why would he ever even have the chance to "make a deal"? Why is it so hard to post any remotely convincing evidence of these shaggy dog explanations? Why haven't you taken your meds?

>>20991820

>>20989959
I don't want to sound racist, but it's the best book I've ever read.

bobo website though

>>20991970
you just sound like an idiot

and all racists are idiots soooooo

เยาวชน

>>20990911
Things like this remind me of why I don't dip into the normienet. Also based digits of never forgetting. Checked.

>see this
>look through it
>dozens of pages with identical filenames
>realize it's literally just 2-3 anti-nietzsche shitposters who have been here years spamming the same images

goddamn this is interesting, reveals the pathetic lives of some people so clearly

>>20991124
I need to know how this image came into existence? is it an AI filter? art? text-to-picture generator? truly astonishing

>>20990847
>>20990778
>>20990774
>>20990633
you're sooo close to getting it.
you ever notice how many school shooters (or shooters in general) in the USA browse 4chan? the power and influence of media (especially social media) is incalculable. 4chan in general attracts depressed outcasts, incels, and generally mentally unwell people. these people themselves aren't dangerous. but give them a platform (which they already have), an idea, and a little nudge, and suddenly you have a very large amount of brainwashed individuals that share the extremist views you planted in them.

this is why 4chan hasn't been dismantled yet. it's a tool that can be used to create the most powerful weapon of all: an idea. look at the influence of qanon, or the 2016 elections.

so i'll ask you, who's doing the 'little nudge', and planting these ideas? here's a hint: moot sold 4chan to them. you've already mentioned them.

>>20992328
https://desuarchive.org/g/thread/88601331

>>20992467
holy cuacamole, batman! we're entering a completely new age of shitposting. with no hint for outsiders an AI image may provoke a memory of an old meme or give you PTSD straight away. soon you can write a few sentences about your specific fetish and an artificial intelligence will fully automatically animate your absolute dream porn. we're on the verge of greatness. I've seen Tokio painted in the style of Monet by an app, or a washing mashine by pseudo-Dennis-Hopper. My hopes are up.

>>20989954
And other boards think this is the "smart" one.

>>20992467
Amazing thread, the future is bright.

>>20992587
>619 CotC
>gardnerposting easily top ten
a disappinted but not surprised Pepe catures my personal state of emotions surprisingly well

>>20992464
hiro?

>>20990026
Speed is actually super hard to lethally overdose on. I figure he's being kept in some kind of black site in Zhejiang Province or something

>>20992615
KEK

>>20991970
Racist? There’s nothing racist about F Gardner.

compared to other boards, /lit/ has fewer reaction pics, fewer memes that work outside this very board, and overall it feels like there seems to be an iron fence around this asylum. you hear people mention /lit/ on youtube, twitter, or tictoc in a way people talk about a glory hole in a fine Italian restaurant. everybody knows it's there, but nobody uses it, wink wink. Pepe, once declared an alt right symbol by Hilary Clinton by ignorance, works as a scarecrow in this Malaysian basket weaving forum. If anything Pepe is a symbol for autism.

consurrecturam

>>20989968
That’s pretty crazy to think about. F Gardner is ridiculously popular here somehow.

>>20993212
This board was responsible for memeing his books onto Goodreads. Look up any horror title on Goodreads and you’ll get recommended Call of the Crocodile.

>>20990086

>>20989954
>>/lit/reports/image-reposts
The top lel trollface hasn't been in use since 2014 and is still one of the most re-posted pictures. Time goes by fast.
I like Pepe and Wojack a lot, just as Gigachad, and almost all the other major memes of the last 10 years. To be fair I also enjoyed the ragecomics before that a lot and I'm optimistically looking forward to future memes. I don't think that anime memes in general will make a comeback as default memes, even if Japan is going to publish new worthwhile animes in larger quantities, something it hasn't done for more than 10 years.

>>20993182
>/lit/ has fewer reaction pics, fewer memes that work outside this very board,
Do you even check the catalog?

>>20993553
yep, currently 80% inside jokes you couldn't even explain to outsiders in less than two minutes. when I wanna farm fresh reaction pics I find /lit/ is barren while even /vg/ presents some new shit.

sneed

>>20995349
What was the name of the show that the guy who burst out laughing at this formerly Chuck's meme started with? I never seriously watched them much

>>20995367
simpson

>>20993491
/sp/ still posts le troll face but only ironically

>>20995402
That's what they were watching. The 58th season of the Simpsons. Dull as toast, and out of nowhere one of the guys gets the dirty joke. c'mon