/lit/ - Literature

>>20982423
Hum first hum first

Water sleeps

Is Circe any good? I heard it's a feminist novel about turning men into pigs which is turning me off, but the whole 'living alone in solitude' sounds comfy.

which side mogs?

TWI up to 6.62ish
I finally got around to going back and reading the Daquin game arc and the two following Baleros interludes.
I've gotta say I'm growing fond of the students' squad. I was really not feeling it at the beginning, just another group of characters that I wouldn't hear more of for 2000+ pages, but after skipping said chapters and just getting my fill of Izril and Chandrar, I'm starting to warm up to Baleros, although I'm still a bit torn up on its Earther group. Feels like they've stagnated a bit, although I think I have myself to blame for that. Their set up made me think that their group would have a more litRPG-ish progress like the first Laken chapters to break up a bit from the more regular fantasy style from the rest of the chapters.

A few more notes from last time I posted (after the witch arc I think?):
-Finally got some insight into Peril as a character and a bit of his ambitions, I think I kinda see where it's going with his parallels to Pisces, him staying his disciple for a while but eventually confronting him and proving with the power of friendship or some shit that there's another way and that Necromacy can become respected/tolerated or something of that note. I'm quite worried about Pisces and what's gonna happen when everyone inevitably ends up finding out. I like how he humbled a bit after the Montressa encounter and the shopping trip with Selys, hope they can patch things out and see more of the real Pisces that keeps hiding behind his (now broken) mask.
-Toren has FINALLY heard about Erin being alive. I have a feeling it's gonna end terribly for her but it should make for some interesting developments. I wonder if their two personalities will split, fuse and make a full character or something similar? I'm kinda fond of the female persona.
-Last batch of Chandrar chapters were really enjoyable. The climax of Tiqr's war was a bit anticlimatic, but the future involvement of Illivere seems like it's gonna be interesting. Khelt is a really fun addition, the portrayal of Necromacy in a somewhat positive light for a change was nice and King Fetohep is a cool character.

Overall, it feels like some plotlines are gonna start to intersect a bit soon, people are moving and meeting, big players getting more involved, looking forward to it. I only hope we get some more Terandria soon, seems like a kino continent.

>>20982497
Bakker transcends both sides and he rules supreme above them all

bakker is fedoracore wish fulfillment

>>20982523
Who's the character in the pic ?

>>20982794
bakker is trash

I know this is a fat chance but are there any monster taming novels, sort of like Pokemon or monster rancher
Not "raising baby dragon" shit though

>>20982423
the perspective feels wonky

>>20982990
I can’t think of anything good

>>20982972
I think it's just concept art, pretty sure I got it from here
Here's the artist
https://www.artstation.com/artwork/mqBgPv

The third book in the Locked Tomb series is out today. Anybody planning on reading it? I thought the first two were good.

>>20983089
I have about as much respect for Gideon the Ninth as I do for the dogshit on my shoe. It is reddit. It is video game hot pocket. It is capeshit. It is cheeto dust. I'm literally screaming right now and slamming my arms down on my desk just thinking about it. It is the most depraved video game infantilized manchild degeneracy. It is saturday morning cartoon. It is non-neurotypicality. It is memes. It is video game. It is tarantino. It is imdb.
It is coca-cola puberty. it is axe body spray. it is a white stain on boxer shorts. it is arri alexa hot dog caffeine on disney channel.

>>20982299
How do you feel about my waifu, Spinner-of-Rope? Ring was cool. The best part was that wild-ass journey to the Attractor.
What do you mean by charged black hole?
Also HUGE Xeelee: Redemption spoilers for the series: There is an on-screen Xeelee shown

>>20983089
I'll be reading it, but my expectations are lowered.

>>20983194
How come?

>>20983089
>Anybody planning on reading it
No. The entire series is woke garbage.
>I thought the first two were good.
You're like all the other faggots continuously shilling this shit. Read a real book.

My SFF TBR for the Month of September

Salamandastron by Brian Jacques
Shadow & Claw by Gene Wolf
The Gunslinger by Stephen King

So far I am enjoying the Gunslinger more than I thought I would. Anons spit on King daily and I don't anybody irl that is a fan of his but he is good at keeping the reader engaged and riddled with anxiety.

I am literally only reading Wolfe for the threads. I have been listening to the Redwall series on audio at work again and its even better now as an adult.

I went to the kid's section of the library and found some Discworld books.
Started with "Guard!" and quite liked it. Will continue reading the City watch series.
It is very important for my wellbeing that you dont laugh.

>>20983256
Gunslinger is great if you're into it, but The Drawing of the Three is where the story really takes off. It's one of my favorite novels of all time.

>>20983256
>tfw never talked to the megane with big tits in HS english 15 years ago who was reading Dark Tower

>>20983089
I still have to read the first one, so if I like it I'll probably read the rest. How many books are supposed to be in the series?

i'm about to read the rhythm of war after avoiding it for almost 2 years, i just hope it wont be as bad as i think it will be

>>20983089
eventually, but my autism only allows me to buy paperbacks
when I was reading The Expanse, the paperback released the same day in Germany (in english) and I would order that, but no such luck for The Locked Tomb

>>20983089
Harrow a cute!

>>20983302
I don't know. For a couple of years it was described as the "Locked Room Trilogy" and the third book was supposed to be called Alecto the Ninth, but then the write was like "wait no" and it became the "Locked Room Series," so maybe it's open-ended now.

>>20983233
I didn't appreciate the style of the second book.

>>20983384
That's fair. I think I actually enjoyed the second book more than the first one.

>>20983285
I read Guards! Guards! last week and I thought it was very alright. The bit where the dragon wants a big pile of gold like Smaug but has to make do with whatever it can get was amusing if not outright funny. I think I'm too much of a chud to get how having some scheming Machiavellian guy in charge playing all the different guilds and public services against each other is better than having a rightful king.

>>20983089
I've read the first one and haven't gotten around to the second. I didn't dislike Gideon, but it felt weird because... It's functionally a story where the protagonist matters very little. Gideon is basically a bit part in a grander story she doesn't actually care much for, which is interesting in a way, but combine that with Gideon having a vow of silence for much of the book, it makes the POV character feel almost pointless.

>>20983338
Yeah I remembered hearing it was a trilogy before so I wasn't sure if the plan changed or something

>>20982497
right wing of course. Gene Wolfe and Frank Herbert and Lovecraft cannot be topped by anyone on the left.

>>20983089
You need to go back.

>>20982423
I got banned from r/Kingkillerchronicles. Not even sure what I did to set them off

>>20983453
You should go back.

>>20982497
could someone please provide a legend with the names of all the authors? for example, no idea who the writer is in between Robert Jordan and Robert E. Howard. No idea who is between Howard and Wolfe on the right (white hair black eyebrows), or who the dudes between Lovecraft and Herbert are. No, I don't feel like clipping each and reverse image searching these all.

>>20983453
>too hard for reddit
>too soft for 4ch
This is you.

>>20983453
what were you doing there in the first place? Slothfuss is a terrible writer.

>>20983489
>who the dudes between Lovecraft and Herbert are
Clockwise starting from top left, that's CS Lewis (I think), ER Eddison, and Terry Goodkind.
The other guys I'm not sure although white hair dark eyebrows guy's name is on the tip of my tongue, I've seen him.

>>20982990
sounds like there is an opportunity for a grimdark pokemon fantasy series...

>>20982883
sure, for cucks I suppose. He is more of a mashup of LOTR, Dune, and the Crusades with philosophy sprinkled throughout for flavor. If that doesn't sound cool to you, than I guess you're a brainlet.

>>20983489
>>20983516
>white hair dark eyebrows guy's name
Fritz Leiber. Guy to the left of Wolfe is Heinlein, you didn't ask but I didn't know.

>>20983532
Fritz Leiber, got it thanks

>>20983545
The guy in top middle seems familiar too, I feel like he must be relatively young cause the photo doesn't look old and he's not yet middle age in it.

>>20982523
sounds in line with my views at the time. and if i'm not mistaken you're in for a cool stretch of chapters.

>>20983555
I'm really curious who the younger authors are in the middle top and bottom of the right wing area are. I'm sick of all the subversion you find in Abercrombie and Bakker. Some straight stories would be nice for once.

>>20983570
I don't see any young men other than the one I can't identify in the top middle. Tolkien and Karl Wagner are below him but they're dead.

>>20983516
ER Eddison and Terry Goodkind, thank you.

>>20983576
yeah my mistake, I had thought Terry Goodkind's photo was of a younger man given the long hair.

What's your favorite take on magic from all the books you've read, /sffg/? I kind of like Earthsea - at least the first three books, I don't remember the ones after - and the way it worked there. I especially liked the school of Roke.

>>20983744
Nobody's going to know what I'm talking about, but Larry Niven wrote a series of stories in a world where magic is a natural resource that can be depleted. A wizard created an artifact that had an enchantment on it that would just spin it faster and faster until it used up all the mana in the area, thereby ending any other spells or enchantments around. I thought it was pretty clever.

What are some books that are similar in content to the Silmarillion but written in a traditional style?

>>20983788
Magic Goes Away?

>>20983089
Post free link

>>20983489
>>20983516
>>20983532
>>20983545
>>20983555
>>20983570
>>20983576
>>20983598
im pretty sure right side consists of tolkien, herbert, karl edward wanger, vox day, r e howard, fritz leiber, edgar rice burroughs, wolfe, er eddison, lovecraft, the guy who wrote the wizards first rule novels or whatever, and heinlein
left side i know less of, although i recognise abercrombie, laird barron, moorcock, martin, le guin and bakker

>>20983803
It's pozzed shit you don't want it.

>>20983799
Yup, though there were short stories in the same world too. I think one of them was titled "What Good is a Glass Dagger?"

Discuss

>>20983806
Vox Day, thank you. And I mistook Ed Burroughs for CS Lewis.
The bottom row on left are Asimov, Ligotti, Mieville. Then with the people you named plus Rothfuss at top right, the only one left I can't name is the bald guy with glasses and lavender shirt.
But you could put a lot more people on the left. More than you could add to the right, probably, stack it to show the discrepancy.

>>20983815
Didn't Wizard Knight used to be on this chart? Not complaining, just curious about how that argument went down.

read cradle

>dat feel when everyone online is suddenly shilling the Dandelion Dynasty
Is it actually any good or just "muh non-huwhite author" craze?

>>20983815
I'll discuss the ones I've read.
>Randidly Ghosthound: Utterly mediocre, plodding and boring, somehow manages to be about nothing, only saving factor is Randidly himself is kind of a fun dork protagonist
>Reincarnated As A Farmer: Fun enough for what it is, protagonist just constantly does his best to avoid farming and tries to game the system, which actually works out, plot is a bit "stuff just kinda happening" though
>Mother of Learning: Arc 1 is a plodding mess, Arc 2 is decent but suffers from Zorian refusing to interact with people for more than a couple loops, Arc 3 is actually pretty well put-together, if a little rushed through, but it involves a proper dynamic with the cast instead of just Zorian being himself and it's a decent enough dynamic at that
>Defiance of the Fall: Starts off okay, pretty strong world-building but characters let it down immensely, Zac is just utterly bland and boring
>Tower of Somnus: It's fine, it's not that good, it has a decent enough concept but it almost feels like the two 'halves' of the book don't really correlate at all, so you have the LitRPG stuff in her dreams and then the real world stuff and they're only linked by her abilities
>Primal Hunter: Overall pretty good so far, a bit basic but Jake is a solid enough protagonist and it has relatively good characters beside him, world-building is as bare-bones as you can get and the system is really boringly done
>Full Murderhobo: A more comedic one, some of the jokes fall flat due to being memes that're out-dated even by the publishing, but it's fun to see "Castaway but it's a LitRPG" go down in the first book, though Luke as a protagonist is actually the least interesting of the four main characters
And that's it from that chart. I know of a few of them, and have some on my "maybe will read eventually" list, but , eh, we'll see.

>>20983853
Everyone online meaning reddit and twitter?

>>20983853
only if by everyone you mean petrik leo

>>20983853
>muh non-huwhite author
I've actually noticed this becoming a trend as well. Ken Liu, Fonda Lee, R.F. Kuang, etc. Kinda uncomfortable to be honest.

>>20982497
Al Capone wrote fantasy books?

I am banned on r/Kingkillerchronicles

>>20983845
Isekaicels couldn't handle an actual classic

>>20982423
Should I read the entire Watts' Rifters trilogy?
I've just finished Starfish and loved it but I've heard that the other two books are crap. I have a very long reading list so I'd rather not waste too much time on mediocre shit. Are any other Watts' books worthwhile? Except Firefall, I've read it already.

gay necromancers on a planet

>>20983942
I liked the first two books.

>>20983933
I'm not planning on reading gamelit/progression, but it's funny cause I can see how Wizard Knight does have game-like progression. Able is constantly getting power-ups and party members every step of the way.

>>20983942
Why does she wear the burger shirt?

>>20983991
The gist of Nona is apparently that she's basically the protagonist of a book that she's NOT in. She's the protaognist of a schmaltzy YA novel about growing up while she's in a shitty dystopian sci-fi novel.

>>20983939
>but I've heard that the other two books are crap
Who says that? I'll fight them on the side of the street.

>>20982423
Zendegi - Greg Egan (2010)

The most important thing to know coming into this, especially if you've only read Egan's most popular novels, is that you ought adjust your expectations. This is a small scale character focused novel where the scientific ideas serve more for the character's story than the other way around. There are two POVs. One is a 46 year old Australian male journalist and the other is an 25 year old Iranian female researcher whose mother fled with her from Iran. The first third from his perspective is a political thriller about an Iranian revolution in 2012 that overthrows the theocracy. From hers it's scientific research and trying to decide to the course of her life. The synopsis for this book leaked shortly before Egan went on a research trip to Iran and he was concerned that the government wouldn't look kindly on an author whose book included the overthrow of their government, but nothing came of it. The latter two thirds are a near-future speculative fiction character drama, which from his perspective have a focus on parenting, mortality, and social mores. From hers it's developing better proxies (NPCs) for Zendegi-ye-Behtar (Better Life), their spherical VR rigs and gaming platform, and the ethics involved with doing so.

At the end of the first chapter, a character tells the protagonist: "...if we spend all our time gazing at the wonders ahead without remembering where we’re standing right now, we’re going to trip and fall flat on our faces, over and over again." This is foreshadowing for the rest of the novel and a cautionary warning, which the book as a whole could be also considered as. There is considerable criticism leveled against various futurists, who aren't named, but two seem evident to me. Those two being Ray Kurzweil and his arguably religious reverence for the Singularity and Aubrey de Grey's supplement regimen.

There's a scene of a person buying a Salman Rushdie book in Farsi in Iran without any problems, which considering the recent attempted assassination of Rushdie by an Iranian, brought a different perspective of that scene for me. There are also extended VR scenes of historical fantasy, which I understood the purpose of, but even so, weren't really to my preference. There are a few, mostly superficial, similarities with the ongoing TV series Pantheon, which is based on some of Ken Liu's short fiction.

I've seen several write that the ending feels abrupt and unfinished, which is because it is, for the ideas at least. The story that Egan wanted to tell about the character's lives though seems finished though to me. Egan later wrote three stories for the ideas in Zendegi though, which are: Bit Players, 3-adica, and Instantiation. Even though this isn't what Egan usually writes, let alone what most of his readers may want, it was a worthwhile look at a near future that may have went for too much for naturalism, especially the arbitrary procession of life events.

Rating: 3.5/5

>>20983909
Robert E Howard was Al Capone's pen name. He created Conan the Barbarian.

>>20983939
I think they are great if you like darker scifi and the idea that we aren't really as "conscious" as we think we are.

>>20983853
It's one of my personal favorite series.
Is it any good for you? Probably not with that prejudicial attitude.

>>20983832
that is steve erickson, malazan author and bakker lover (he pushed to get bakker published)

>>20984074
The only novel Greg Egan wrote that didn't bore me completely is Permutation City.

>>20983815
>Vigils justice was pretty alright, if a tad predictable. I knew who the monster was by the second attack. That said I’m a huge sucker for witcher style monster hunting, so that scratches an itch for me.
>Herald of Shalia was pretty good coomercore. Think it’s about run it’s course now. Good use of humor.
>Paranoid mage needs to stop pretending and just go full magical Uncle Ted already
>Primal hunter is painfully, utterly bland.
>Randidily Ghosthound somehow makes apocalypse fiction boring, and only gets bearable once the mc leaves earth.
>Kairos is pretty alright, but nothing special, if you’re a Greek myth fetishist try it.
>Worth the candle is fun but the author/mc thinks he’s about 300% more intelligent than he actually is
>solo leveling is cheap korean wish fulfillment. Go read the webtoon if you absolutely must read it, at least the art is good.
>Mother of learning refuses to learn how to pace an arc and instead always takes half a book to get interesting.

I’ve read most books on this list so If you have a question about a specific one feel free to ask.

>>20984207
I thought Permutation City was just okay. I had a problem buying into the whole "and then infinite computing!" aspect of it. And I bounced of Schild's Ladder. Maybe his stuff just isn't for me.

>>20984208
What's the best one on that chart?

>>20983815
>Gold is Might
>Matthew Peed
>Gold liquid on the cover
That is either a horribly unfortunate confluence or the author is doing some magical realm stuff.

>>20984215
Yep, all authors are not for everyone. When you find an author you love, you will know it as everything just clicks with you and you can't stop reading. Just move on to the next author, life is too short to force yourself to love something.

>>20984216
Vigils Justice, Mother of Learning, and if you don’t mind a borderline parody, Oh great I was reincarnated as a farmer. I’d say that’s the top three imo.

>>20984234
I haven't read Vigil's Justice, and MoL I generally agree with you on, pacing is off as hell, but it's solid enough by the end of things. Farmer was... I dunno, it felt like it wasn't really 'about' anything in a way? Like I didn't really care about Arnold enough to see what he was doing. The book timeskips too much for me to really settle in on him as a character. Have a favourite that's not on the chart, out of curiosity?

/lit/ is a slow board, you guys don’t need to keep posting every two or three minutes just to have some forced discussion, no one can post for an hour and this thread will be at page 4/5.

>>20984122
That's rite. I'm a fucking racist.

>>20979039
The Silmarillion and LOTR are interdependent and indivisible to each other. He wanted to publish them together. Tolkien said in Letter 131.

>>20984243
Yeah, but zoomers need /sffg/ to be on page 1 for some reason. Don't know why, not a zoomer, but they need it on page 1.

>>20984240
Wraiths Haunt is a really good isekai, imo. Too bad the author disappeared at the height of his popularity and hasn’t been heard from since.

>don’t worry. I know it sucks to be left on a cliffhanger it won’t be long!
>last message: 2 years 6 months ago.

>>20984243
Let people talk, jeez.

>>20984243
>>20984259
Zoomers come from faster boards, and don’t understand that /lit/ is inherently a slow thread to begin with.

>>20984269
>and don’t understand that /lit/ is inherently a slow thread to begin with.
It's because their attention span is fucked due to overindulgence on social media, and other various distractions on their phones.

>>20984243
>People are discussing things how dare they

>>20984207
I'd say that's his best novel, yeah.

>>20984215
If it isn't, it isn't, but I think Schild's Ladder was a bad choice for a second novel.

what are some slice of life /sffg/? like the lit equivalent of an indie drama in film? like two aliens on a spaceship and the whole story is about their breakup, or a wizard struggling with being old and lonely in his tower. stuff like that. no saving the world or winning a war or whatever. do stories like this exist?

>>20984303
Yes, they do in various degrees and ways. But, even so it may not be want you want, or would even like. It's much easier to with with other mediums because prose doesn't lend itself well to episodic nature.

>>20984087
Those years spent on an island suffering cognitive deficiencies from ""syphilis""
in reality, he just wanted some peace and quiet to write

>>20984303
Shadow of the Torturer

>>20984303
Yes they do.
There is an entire genre about slice of life stuff.
Read more.

>>20984313
>>20984317
any recommendations?
>>20984316
obviously I’ve heard of BotNS, but haven’t read it. I’ll check it out anon

>>20984316
>>20984321
BOTNS is pseudo intellectal midwit trash
the only people pushing this drivel are retards who think wolfe and vance invented the dying earth genre and tradcath retards

>>20984321
SF Novels
China Mountain Zhang
Station Eleven
Bannerless

I'd say it's more in short fiction though.

For fantasy novels, I don't have interest in it, but a recent popular one is Legends and Lattes.

Again, this may not be what you want though.

>>20984316
tried to read this several times but was too hard for me

>>20983815
thats an impressive amount of shit

>>20984321
I'm half-joking about BotNS being slice-of-life. But in Shadow of the Torturer at least there's no grand mission. A common complaint about the plot is how "things just happen", or "he's just wandering around". It's close enough and to me that's funny because it's considered to be complicated in some ways and of high quality.

>>20984339
Or also I don't have interest in, probably anything by Becky Chambers, but I haven't read them.

I also remembered this:
>>/lit/thread/S19834669#p19839572

>>20984323
look at this dude

20984344
Here is your (you)

>>20984339
>>20984358
Thanks anon I will look through these and see if something looks good.

>>20984284
>Schild's Ladder was a bad choice for a second novel
What would you recommend instead?

>>20984365
BOTNS is babbys first dying earth novel. it's trash, worse than trash, it's trash that pretends its intellectual and thus has gained a huge amount of midwit pseud followers.

>phone butt-dials and opens lit twice today on its app
>never happened before
god i hate this general
I WANT OUT
I WANT TO ESCAPE
I'm nearly 50% through my book and despite it being the author's first self-published novel, it has so far exceeded my expectations as far as the plot moving along, although at sometimes a glacial speed barricaded by the purplest prose. I hope the ending is satisfactory and I hope the next books actually come out. Like the author said, he'll be 70 when it's over.
>>20984207
I read the first book of the Orthogonal trilogy and it's one of my ideal stories but damn, it was too hard for me to continue.

>>20984393
Axiomatic, his first collection, if you read short fiction. In terms of novels, it depends on what you want. Diaspora is science heavy and of cosmic matters later on. Quarantine is about metaphysics later on and is a bit of an investigative thriller. Distress is a SF mystery thriller about The Theory of Everything. I haven't read all of his novels. More detail here:
>>/lit/?task=search2&ghost=yes&search_text=greg+egan&search_subject=&search_username=&search_tripcode=sffg&search_email=&search_filename=&search_datefrom=&search_dateto=&search_op=all&search_del=dontcare&search_int=dontcare&search_ord=old&search_capcode=all&search_res=post

>>20984381
If you want more detail of the SF Novels I've written about those as well.

>>20984440
I'll probably start on Orthogonal later this month since I'm going chronological through his novels now. May read his novella before that though.

>>20984456
His collection Luminous is great too. I believe I've read his collection Oceanic but I don't remember anything and I thought Instantiation was far too overtly political.

>>20984412
Do you have a criticism with actual substance?

>>20984474
Looking at the average BOTNS fan is criticism enough

>>20984467
That's an odd time to start thinking that since to me has been from the beginning and in each collection. Do you remember what was too political?

>>20984478
Is it hard for you to articulate a statement that goes beyond calling it "trash" ?

>>20984601
No, but I know you’re a retard who can’t ignore me.

>>20984303
>>20984358
The Fountains of Paradise by Arthur C. Clarke might be exactly what I’m looking for. Not sure “slice of life” exactly describes it but it is apparently just about one guys objective to build a space elevator, not about saving the world or whatever. I think I’ll give this a read.

>>20982423
What does /lit/ think of "the Culture" series and "the Children of Time"? How does it compare to Revelation Space for an example?

>>20982982
Those who rule are not like those who drool

>>20984243
Now that you mention it, I did notice that people here weren't letting the thread reach page 2 for some reason. Or if it did reach page 2, they'll just post meaningless things like >>20984225

Personally, I never understood this obsession with being on the front page. Like what does it do to them? Give them a dopamine hit or something? Don't know why people can't just take it slow. But I supposed that's the mind of these new zoomer users, an enigma with no answer.

>>20984315
More likely than you think.

>>20984613
Do you want to be ignored?

>>20984663
The better question: Why are you still replying to him?

>>20984648
I read Consider Phlebas and to be honest I didn't think it was that shit-hot. People say The Player of Games is a zillion times better but I haven't gotten around to it yet.

>>20984654
>Personally, I never understood this obsession with being on the front page. Like what does it do to them? Give them a dopamine hit or something? Don't know why people can't just take it slow. But I supposed that's the mind of these new zoomer users, an enigma with no answer.
I honestly think it's just TikTok, youtube, and other various video hosting services that rotted their brains.

>>20984654
>>20984744
Front page means it’s active, therefore, worth bumping in their mind. You see this shit on other boards slower than /lit/. Where it takes days for a thread to be bumped off.

>>20984751
I don't go to other boards, /lit/ is the slowest board I go to, but if that's true, then that's some real mental illness.

>>20984766
>then that's some real mental illness.
You’re on 4chan, the users are bound to be mentally Ill or just plain retarded like this guy >>20984601 who can’t ignore a guy that’s just shitposting.

>>20984751
>>20984766
>>20984770
You guys ever think it's just bots? Some of the posts don't even sound like they were made by a person, like this one >>20983939 How can you read one book, love it, yet for unknown reasons don't continue to read the rest.

>>20984744
>I honestly think it's just TikTok, youtube, and other various video hosting services that rotted their brains.
/lit/ got a reputation as the "smart board" so drooling crossborders started browsing here thinking it would make them smart by proxy. It's why you see them posting non-stop.

>>20984795
Not going to deny that’s a possibility, but that doesn’t explain why they have a constant need to be in the front page.

>>20984795
>/lit/ got a reputation as the "smart board"
never understood why it even got that reputation in the first place, old /lit/ was above average at best. Now it's just a sad shell of its former self.

Ahh yes, the science fiction and fantasy general, otherwise known as "the toilet of the literature board" how is everyone today? Still won't shut up about Bakker I see.

Excellent.

>/lit/ got a reputation as the "smart board"

lmfao, WHEN?

>>20984243
>nooooooo stop discussing in the thread !!

>>20984836
Zoomer, can you please tell us why you need /sffg/ to be on page 1?

>>20984839
>nooooooo stop discussing in the thread !!

>>20984842
You’re being extremely uncooperative

>>20984856
Thanks for the bump

>>20984839
Not him, but I just think they don't know /lit/ is a slow board at all. That would explain their behavior.

>>20984856
They always do that when people take notice of their behavior and posting pattern. It's pointless to ask for their help.

>>20984873
>>20984867
You're genuinely just upset that people are discussing and posting in a thread? People just talk, you know. It's a thing that happens.

>>20984877
>You're genuinely just upset that people are discussing and posting in a thread? People just talk, you know. It's a thing that happens.
No, not mad, and I know people discuss here, even if it happens rarely, but the way you zoomers discuss is so artificial, and at times, forced, that I can't help but wonder why? Why are you doing it?

>>20984887
It's more artificial than the thousandth discussion about Wolfe or Bakker?

>>20984339
>>20984456
>China Mountain Zhang
>If you want more detail of the SF Novels I've written about those as well.
yes I would be interested in what you or any other anons thought about this one.

>>20984896
Believe it or not, yes. Which is why I'm intrigued in the first place. Don't take it wrong, I know only the bakkerspammer/shitposter is the only one that brings up Bakker, but that issue can be resolves, and has been resolved in the past, if people just report him. But with you zoomers, its something else entirely.

>>20983939

its good schizo schlock but its ruined slightly by the fact that one of the sci fi gimmicks got disproven by science.

>>20984896
>It's more artificial than the thousandth discussion about Wolfe or Bakker?
It becomes noticeable when one of you fags are talking in circle about something you've discuss in length in the pass. So yes.

>>20982423
I’m on Time of Contempt now, and after 50+++ pages describing what everyone is wearing and women being catty to each other at a party I refuse to believe that Sapkowski is not at least bisexual.

>>20984920
The only zoomer that I know that talks in circles is that fag who hates Zach or whatever and brings it up whenever he has a chance. Like my guy, just drop the fucking story if that’s all you ever gonna do is bitch about the same thing.

>>20984930
>The only zoomer that I know that talks in circles is that fag who hates Zach
Is he still here? I filtered him because he often went on like a ten or so post spiel when an anon vaguely compliment that character. Got tiresome real fast.

>>20984953
Yeah, more or less.

>>20984909
>>/lit/thread/S17736871#p17739035

Here's one other, from the most prolific long-form reviewer in the /sffg/ Goodreads group.
https://www.goodreads.com/review/show/2271254977

For more search the archive with the book title.

>>20985002
>>>/lit/thread/S17736871#p17739035
> !SFFG.n1h7M
isn't he a shitposter, rather not take his opinion after that.

>>20985002
awesome. thank you based anon

Rec spoopy fantasy and sci-fi.

>>20985025
Check the charts in the OP

>>20985032
No.

>>20985077
Then you don’t really care.

>>20984786
>You guys ever think it's just bots?
At first no, since I had no reason to believe it was bots, but now? Definitely.

>>20985006
Aren't we all, you included?

>>20984877
You should really work on your reading comprehension if you think he’s mad.

>>20982982
Your plebeian rhetoric only empowers us.

>>20985081
No.

>>20985107
No

>>20985112
Get a life, and stop wasting your life away.

>>20985112
You're replying to someone who probably doesn't know what "plebeian" and "rhetoric" means.

>>20985121
Does it trouble you that that was my first post in this thread?

>>20984208
>Herald of Shalia was pretty good coomercore. Think it’s about run it’s course now. Good use of humor.
AudioBook four is finally out. I wonder when the couple will publish book 6?

>>20985131
More troubled by the fact that someone would waste away their life just shitposting

>>20985025
>>20985077
>>20985114
Why'd you even ask if you didn't care?

>>20982423

my bruthers in literature I'm just discovering Asimov and its making me coooom

anyone know where I can find the James delotel reading of Foundation and Earth??? Lots of Larry McKeever online but I love James Delotel's readings of Asimov.

>>20985139
One post is hardly enough to be considered as a waste of my life's time.

Can the same be said for you?

>>20985138
I feel like they’ve burned out on it. The excitement is gone. Each book has less happen than the last.

>>20985143
I do care; I just don't like you.

No-God when bros?

>>20985158
If you care then check the archive

>>20985158
Holy cringe.

>>20985148
I started the series because someone in here posted the excerpt where the elf called him a dog fucker, and the protagonist just revel in his degeneration.

Bakker never dies!

>>20985145
Try google.

>>20985185
That’s a really good bit they do a couple times.

>>20985191
Have you seen the later pictures of him?
He aged like MacGyver after Stargate

>>20985220
he blew up like a balloon?

Imagine not reading Sword & Sorcery.

>“Fat butt birds are coming!”
>“Quick, quick, prepare for defense!”
>“Everyone, don’t panic, our Combat Beast Envoys have not arrived yet.”
>At this moment, Mountain Cliff City was filled with voices and extreme vigilance.
>The fat butt bird group made shriek noises as they flew towards the top of Mountain Cliff City.
>They had a crown on their heads, their bodies were covered in messy feathers, their bodies were fat, they had especially large butts.
>Within the bird group, there was a bird king that was twice the size of an ordinary fat butt bird. It flew on top of Mountain Cliff City as it looked down, its butt moved with force as it squeezed, a lump of bird shit fell down immediately.
>This bird shit was smelly and dark, it was huge, about the size of a hut, falling from the sky.
>Swoosh—!
>Boom!
>The bird shit fell with increasing speed, there was a sharp sound as it crashed down, destroying a segment of the city walls.
>Fortunately, there were not many people around, few got injured.
>Swoosh swoosh swoosh!
>Boom boom boom!
>The bird king’s attack started the offensive streak of the bird group, lumps of bird shit started to fall from the sky, crashing on Mountain Cliff City.
>At once, it was as if the sky started to rain heavily.
>But this rain contained peculiar raindrops, they were oversized bird shit.
>A large number of houses collapsed as they got crushed, the walkway, gardens, fountains, and even the City Lord statue at the center of the city got mercilessly covered in bird shit.
Why did you guys meme me into reading this?

>>20985355
To teach you not to fall for memes. This is truly valuable life lesson. Cherish that we care to educate you for free.

>>20984303
>This Used to be About Dungeons is a comfy slice-of-life adventuring story that occasionally features dungeons. Updates Tuesdays and Thursdays.

>Mostly it's about walking in the woods with a friend, looking for mushrooms to put in your soup, or haggling with the guy selling squash, or taking care of a neglected garden. It's putting some jam on shortbread biscuits. And yes, sometimes you go down into the dungeons with your friends, and you kill monsters there, or disarm traps, but when you come out, you realize you've found the perfect magic item to give to one of the local kids that helped you out when your cat was sick. Look, the dungeons are always going to be there, and sometimes you need to make a journey to one of the Spirit Gates, or make a pilgrimage with the local Cleric of Symmetry to a holy shrine. Your tour through the local dungeons can wait. You'll have rivalries with other groups, and find some dungeon eggs that need to be carefully incubated in case they turn out to be something valuable, and help a friend to build a fishing weir. There's a big world out there, a mostly tame place with lots of magic, and even more to do and see. Join me, won't you?

>>20985355
>Why did you guys meme me into reading this?
Why'd you read something people here recommended?

>>20985419
>pages: 2,568
god damn.
what do you like about this one anon?

>>20983447
Frank Herbert was an environmentalist though. A modern Ameritard 'right winger' would flip his shit at that.

>>20985483
It's almost as if whoever made that image doesn't know jack shit about the authors.

>>20984657
There is a reason Conan doesn't have a tax policy.

>>20985025
BleakWarrior

>>20985484
or political alignments. There really are 4 political alignments, and you can have intersections of 2:
x axis: left/right (liberal/conservative)
y axis: authoritative/libertarian (totalitarian/anarchic)

>>20985484
Which is why this image exist.

>>20985491
I'm the one who brought that book here.

>>20985513
It's sad to see a lot of zoomers turn into that image, they are so young and the internet and the media already rotted their brains.

>>20985513
Sounds about right.

>>20985534
What zoomers? Just fucking /pol/tards who can’t stay in their containment board.

I'm sorry /sffg/ but i can't pretend anymore, i love fantasy written by women authors.

>>20985518
You really weren't. I was. I was probably too bitter when I wrote this though.
>>/lit/?task=search2&ghost=&search_text=bleakwarrior&search_subject=&search_username=&search_tripcode=&search_email=&search_filename=&search_datefrom=&search_dateto=&search_op=all&search_del=dontcare&search_int=dontcare&search_ord=old&search_capcode=all&search_res=post

>>20985589
>2021
The Bakkershitposting has been going on for years...

>>20985599
It started long before that.

>>20985599
Yes, we fucking know, stop bringing it up already.

>>20985607
Shut up, slut.

>>20985576
Okay? Are you that pathetic that you need approval of anonymous people?

>>20985599
this
Bakkerposting was a thing since 2019

>>2399797
heh

>>20985491
>>20985589
I tried to read this, but my assessment is much the same as yours. Too whacky and edgy for the sake of being whacky and edgy. Reads almost like a parody of those types of novels.

>>20985576
You actually let the retards here influence what you read?

>>20985635
It reads like a parody but seemed to be dead serious to me. The only reasons I finished it were because it isn't that long and because it was such a mess that I couldn't help myself. It isn't only 1/5 or less because it was just really bad, but not anything worse than that. The only thing I felt afterwards was a sense of wondering why the author thought this was a good idea.

>>20985661
Some people are that indecisive, anon. Don't be surprised.

>>20982423
What should I read next if I loved Childhood's End and Speaker For The Dead?

>>20985700
Whatever you like.

>>20985700
I’m sure if you can think it over for a few minutes, you can decide on your own.

>>20985707
>>20985703
I've been reading philosophy for the last 10 years... I'm very out of touch with sci-fi. Just curious what anons would suggest.

>>20985713
I suggest checking the charts in the mega folder.

>>20985713

/sffg/ isn't a real general, it's a discord-tier echochamber. nothing talked about in these threads is representative of the actual sci-fi scene. I would suggest that you pick up Ted Chiang's latest anthology; Exhalation.

Very little good work has been published in the last decade.

>>20985713
>Just curious what anons would suggest.
Only you know what you want in sci-fi, so how about you do that.

>>20985724
>actual sci-fi scene
Elaborate.

>>20985736
What is there to elaborate? Can’t you understand those words?

>>20985741
Define your vague phrase and statement, dum dum.

>>20985746
Fucking moron.

>>20985752
sasuga, newfag

It always astounds me to see idiots reply to shitposter expecting anything but a shitpost response.

Reading dungeon crawler carl, the humor is a bit too forced but there's a certain joy in litrpg, it's one of the few fantasy types you can viscerally experience because you've grinded exp and mapped character builds in PoE too

>>20985724
Thanks for the honest answer about this general... didn't realize /sffg/ was a containment thread. :\

>>20985756
If I could have read his mind to have understood his vague statement, I could have learned that he was a shitposter too. Sadly, I do not have such an ability.

>>20985700
>Speaker for the Dead
Everyone always cites Ender's Game but I thought Speaker had a lot more depth. I'd suggest The Diamond Age by Neal Stephenson, Stations of the Tide by Michael Swanwick, or if you want to go retro instead of forward then Lord of Light by Roger Zelazny

>>20983853
>>20984122
Would I like this if I hate niggers? Honest question

>>20985576
Those books are awful. Such a waste of good covers

>>20985805
Go back to /pol/.

>>20985700
ummm more Arthur C Clarke or Orson Scott Card? Other than that, The Three Body Problem gives me those vibes.

>>20985815
Dragon prince was and still is, Kino.

>>20985576
You have to turn in your Incel card now

>>20985795
His hostile posts should have tipped you off.

>>20985890
But I agree with the discord statement and he did recommend a book, that at least isn't one of the ~15 series constantly circlejerked. The next two? Sure.

>>20985894
Pretty sure that was a different anon who recommended the books.

>>20984243
>/lit/ is a slow board, you guys don’t need to keep posting every two or three minutes just to have some forced discussion, no one can post for an hour and this thread will be at page 4/5.
Fucking hell, somebody finally said it.

>>20985700
Can you be honest with you, are you being serious when you make posts like this?

>>20985264
>Sword & Sorcery
It's usually shit.

Who is the PKD of fantasy?
Extensive writing, ideas guy and a mystical bent

>>20985977
Ursula Le Guin

>>20985998
Oh really?
I've only read Earthsea so far
What else is worth reading from her fantasy?

>>20985973
You are gay.

>>20985796

You are better than this place. Find somewhere else to discuss your passions.

>>20986005
The Wind's Twelve Quarters

>>20986005
Forgot to mention The Beginning Place

>>20985977
Also forgot to mention, but read The Lathe of Heaven. It was Le Guin's tribute to PKD.

>>20985977
>>20985977
>Who is the PKD of fantasy?
Someone mention Le Guin, and she might be your best bet, though if you want books that have a PKD feel towards them, I can give 3. They're not fantasy.

Blueprints to the AfterLife by Ryan Boudinot
Last Week's Apocalypse by Douglas Lain
Wonderland gambit trilogy by Chalker

>>20985576
>I'm sorry /sffg/ but i can't pretend anymore, i love fantasy written by women authors.
Why were you pretending to hate them? Not like we care who you are.

>>20982497
Right, not even a contest.

>>20986007
Jesus Christ fuck you, give me a fucking break you stupid fuck. you're a stupid whore.

>>20986042
He’s right, you’re wasting talent here. Go find a online forum that discusses books.

>>20985977
Read the Radix tetrad.

>>20986062
No

>>20986062
Why do you keep shilling that garbage?

>>20985513
It’s real depressing how true this is. The fuck happen.

>>20985355
What’s the name of this so I can ignore it.

>>20982491
My wife thought it was boring. Same with that gay achilles shit.

>>20986120
What bout you?

>>20986006
Name one good modern sword and sorcery

>>20985825
>Orson Scott Card
Who?

>>20985485
Because no one bit autist care about tax policies?

>>20986203
The guy who wrote Ender's Game

>>20982423
Should I read part 2 or read a better Sci fi novel?

>>20986255
finish what you started

>>20986250
That was him? I know him more from his fantasy novel, The Tales of Alvin Maker

>>20986262
>That was him?
Yes, that's literally his Magnus opus and got turn into a movie.

>>20986263
I don’t read a lot, and I prefer fantasy over sci-fi,

>>20986266
And I prefer horror over any other genre, doesn't mean I don't know what authors wrote. Also, you could have just used google.

>>20986268
Why use google when I can others just answer my question?

>>20986280
Why are you like this.

>>20985264
Meh, never got the appeal, very few catch my attention, but nothing more than that.

>>20983797
Earthsea

>>20982990
I can’t think of anything good

>>20985796
Why are you here, anon? You're wasting your time here.

>>20986102
The election happen.

>>20985470
It’s long.

>>20985355
>Why did you guys meme me into reading this?
Why did you read it? I really don't read anything people here recommend.

>>20985171
It’s shit.

>>20986339
but is it any good?

>>20986373
Read it and find out if it interest you. It’s obvious you’re curious about it.

>>20986376
He won't read it, they never do.

Why? Why do you niggers talk about the same shit over and over ad nauseum? Can't you just... shut up or change the subject just ONCE?

I don't care about Sanderson or Bakker.. I know you think it's funny but it really isn't. Please PLEASE just shut the fuck up.

>>20986391
No one mention sanderson once you retard. Read the thread before making a dumbass post.

>>20986391
Do you even read the thread or do you bitch without knowing anything?

>>20986393
Oh, it's coming. I know it is.

>>20986391
>>20986397
How about you talk about what you read and be the change instead of just throwing a bitchfit.

>>20986402
He won’t. He’ll just continue bitching since that all he does.

>>20986402
I just started reading treasure island. I'm not that far in but it looks like it's going to be a good read.

>>20986411
Kinda got that feeling, but hope it’ll be different.

>>20986415
>it's going to be a good read.
Yeah, no shit, its a classic for a reason.

>>20986268
I should really get around to reading dark tower.

>>20986436
You should, it's really good.

>>20986415
Is that really you have to say?

>>20986255
Just read it.

>>20984274
This.

>>20986007
cute

>>20984323
filtered

>>20985220
You’re a liar

>>20985661
I have stopped reading female authors years before I started browsing this site

Can anyone recommend me the best Elric release in english? Possibly some huge collection in one volume.
I've already read most of the stories.

New thread
>>20986550