/lit/ - Literature

>>20980576
They can

>>20980580
They can't. Have you ever read anything written by a woman?

>OP btfo's himself with his own pic
silly man

>>20980587
they can

>>20980576
Haven't read the book but the TV series was pretty good. The guy who played Connell did a phenomenal job.

>>20980576
they don't know suffering thus can't know greatness

>>20980576
Theirs brain does not develop past 12 years of age

>>20980587
I ordered a copy of Frankenstein
Haven't read it yet but I've heard good things

Good ideas are storied in the balls.

>>20980606
They menstruate and some of them give birth and breastfeed

>>20980576
wtf but they told me ugly women could write? we've been bamboozled

Sally Rooney is sold as the "writer of the millennial generation" yet her characters feel completely alien to me. I relate better to Dostoevsky's schizos than to her characters. Doesn't necessarily say anything about the quality of her writing, it's just weird that she's supposed to be the writer that captures the experience of "my generation."

>>20980658
thanks for the blogpost anon

>>20980658
I don't think she was writing for the average schizo, anon. Most millennials watch netflix, go to the club every Friday, and some of the slightly more educated ones might have a degree in some meme field which allows them to fake some sort of superiority over the rest.

I’ve bought all of Sally Rooney’s books but I never read any of them.
I have no interest in women’s writing but I did want to financially support her due to her virulent anti-semitism

>>20980623
That was written by her father.

>>20980576
I'm reading beautiful world right now and this chick so badly wants to get railed stupid by conservative cock that I don't even know why you all dislike her so much.

Maybe more people would buy your books if you smiled, luv

>>20980629
>muh giving birth

I’ve taken shits bigger than most newborn babies. Women just love to complain.

>>20980800
You shit through your vagina and your shits are hard as rocks

>>20980576
They can

Try nonfiction from academic women, particularly works from before the rise of modern identity politics. Dry political historiology and what have you tends not to differ.

She’s a mediocre writer. She’s just a white woman, so she is having her 15 minutes of fame until the world realizes how cancerous libshit white women are

you reckon there's hair on her minge?

>>20980954
>libshit
You haven't read her.

Woolf, Duras, Lispector, Pizarnik.

>>20980959
You honestly think people here read

>>20980576
Women are interested in their social life.
Men are interested in ideas and things.
Simple as.

>>20980576
I found the amount of sexual energy in this book revolting so I never finished it.

There are barely any men that write good literature tbqh. It's not an easy thing to do well.

>>20980959
She’s a libshit and far from ever being a marxist and communist

>>20981143
Just because you say doesn't make it right

>>20980658
>Sally Rooney is sold as the "writer of the millennial generation"
because she's fucking terrible like your failed generation

>>20980658
She captures the experience of millennials on Twitter, which is the only subset of our demographic that the publishing world currently gives a shit about

>>20980576
I like Joan Didion and Virginia Woolf

she's the best writer of our time and people only hate on her because she's a marxist

Political works cannot be truly artistic. Critics may have changed their sensibilities after a century of liberal/leftist propaganda but it's still a fact. She's a fraud and should write twitter threads instead of novels since that's what half of her books are anyways. Oh and she's ugly as fuck

>>20981171
Just because you’re a recessed chin dullard who has not read a single real leftist in your life since you spend every waking second on twitter does not mean you are not retarded

None of you would be writing these comments if you could have sex.

>>20981233
Nice projection you virgin

>>20980587
They can. Yes.

>>20980954
Isn't she Irish?

>>20981242
Based

George Eliot

>>20981436
What about him?

>>20981376
Is this the "Irish people aren't white" meme? Is that what you're setting yourself up for here?

>>20981455
It's not a meme it was the official racist position until there was a pivot during the civil rights movement. Same thing happened with Italians.
Never forget.

>>20980752
>this chick so badly wants to get railed stupid by conservative cock
Evidence?

>>20980752
>Women pretend to have beliefs and values but it just ends up being an elaborate mate selection ritual
It's all so tiresome.

>>20980629
The shit i just took this morning was bigger than a baby
Get on my level, simp-cel.

>>20980658
There will never be good western millennial or zoomer artists. They have been destroyed by their environment.

>>20981675
Oh yes because we all know women need to do that to get laid

>>20981233
Leftists are just extremely dumb liberals. You have to be genuinely retarded to be a socialist or a communist.

Notice how this board is basically a nanny for a lot of boys.

>>20981746
liberals think capitalism can be reformed but it's leftists who are the dumb ones.

>>20981733
I’m going to be the great zoomer artist but you need to wait a few years

>>20981766
still better than any other board on this website

Have you ever considered that OP is part of a marketing team that is specifically using incel rage to boost sales?

>OP makes vaguely sexist general remark about women
>attaches jpg of Sally Rooney, or whatever flavour of the month writer they're trying to push into the zeitgeist
>obviously this is going to get more (you)s than any post actually discussing literature, and thus give Rooney free air-time

I'm sure I've seen her books irl, but it wasn't til I saw you retards posting her name and face everywhere talking about what a talentless hack she is that I noticed her books in book stores. There is a very specific breed of autist that will read (or at the very least buy) a book just to convince themselves it's bad. From what I can tell, that's most of the people who post in these threads.

Sure, it's fun to play along
Alas,
Good fun is never this
Evil

>>20981962
Would that work? There are like 40 people in this thread. Unless all of them are influential book reviewers or something why would it boost any sales

>>20981972
Also I think the majority of people here would not buy a book like this if they want to read it. Piracy exists

>>20981972
>>20981995
damage control is getting better these days. More subtle.

>>20981766
You're right, we really ought to spend more time out and about with sexless Marxists with sticks up their asses.

>>20980587
Some women can spin a good yarn as well as any man.

>>20982004
Or maybe OP is the author that wants an opinion form the people here or a "woke" YouTuber/tiktoker that wants to prove a point
If we want to create conspiracies there are an infinite of possibilities

you dont even have to stop hating women to recognize that they can write good literature.
i know that a lot of this is bait but damn god

>>20982035
>Women are capable of education, but they are not made for activities which demand a universal faculty such as the more advanced sciences, philosophy, and certain forms of artistic production... women regulate their actions not by the demands of universality but by arbitrary inclinations and opinions. ~ Hegel
They can write but they will never comprehend the deeper meaning of the words they write.

>>20982044
Have you tried reddit?

>>20982056
you share your understanding of women with most redditors, you're just honest about it.
real sexism requires you recognize women are people and that makes their fundamental evil all the worse

>>20980576
Look harder.

>>20980576
>>20980587
>>20980606
>>20980620
>>20982055
>>20982056
Wrong

>>20981734
No, they need to do that to get laid with Chad

>>20982066
Oh God, are we gatekeeping misogyny now?

>>20982055
I don't understand why people continue to quote men that lived in a time when social expectation towards a women where so demanding rarely a middle-class/high class woman would ever act freely and in a way that differ from the social norms imposed. And not because they were so stupid to not realize this but simple because if they didn't act a certain way they would be killed/put in mental hospitals etc.

Is like putting a rat in a cage and asking themselves why the rat is eating only the things the owner of the cage is feeding it

>>20982030
Oh, touched a nerved? What would the right do without the culture warriors like you who don't read and can only talk in catchphrases and buzzwords because you don't read.

>>20982102
I don’t think people in Hegel’s time would start killing women if they started writing good books or enjoying theatre plays

>>20982100
Yeah sure as if real Chads would get laid with someone that would make something as pathetic as that

>>20982105

>>20982107
I think that Hegel to say such things only met women who behaved in the expected way or in the way dictated by the society of the time.
If you forbid women to talk about politics and philosophy, obviously all they will talk about is more frivolous things like gossip. This does not mean that they are inherently frivolous and cannot be interested in more difficult topics, but you will agree with me about the fact that if you find yourself in an environments that prohibit study materials and conversations with other people who have more experience than you in certain subjects it is more difficult to be able to talk about certain difficult topics if not in a trivial and superficial way.
This is my point

>>20982084
Gross. Quit baiting me faggot.

>>20980576
They do.

>>20982102
>>20982138
The women you are thinking of are not women in the traditional sense. First of all, most of them are not attractive at all, which is a prerequisite for being considered a women. It's like a weak effemanite man will not be considered a man (especially by women) even though he's technically male. Most of those women will never have children. Some because they don't have normal maternal instincts, some because they are literally infertile (kind of nature's punishment for not acting according your sex).

Those men quoted talk about normal women. About attractive women, about the sweet, kind women. About the ones that make your head turn. About the ones that make you fall in love with them. The women you are talking about are just honorary women.

>>20982470
We found the beta male guys

>>20982495
yes u

>>20982138
This reminds me of the norwegian paradox, where they completely “un-gendered” education, trying to homogenise little boys and little girls as much as they could… Only for most girls to end up in typically female jobs such as nurse or secretary, while the men ended as engineers and other such typically male jobs. In fact, the sexual differentiation in career choices was even greater than before they started the experience.
Men and women are deeply different, on grounds other than education or social expectations.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gender-equality_paradox

>>20982470
But masculine (in personality, not looks) women are the best women, also the rarest of course.

>>20982572
It's not a paradox when you insist that despite your best efforts, social paradigms are still rubbing off on the kids. Ignoring the fact that homogenizing children leads to even greater gender inequality (somehow).

I like Rosemary's Baby
that is my response

>>20980576
Is there any of these alt-lit female authors I should read? Anything on the extreme or nihilist side?

>>20982815
Ottessa Moshfegh 100%

>>20982504
I didn't know I had a dick thanks for making me realise it

>>20982595
Young kids are really great at enforcing gender norms somehow

>>20982829
Your micropenis is still a dick, not a huge clit

>>20982842
Assigned the gender male by 4chan anon
I wish more FtM people knew it was that simple to change gender
Thank you for the laugh

>>20980576
Women are made for feels and fucks, not thoughts. Stop consuming gynocentric propaganda on social media and netflix, instead spend some time genuinely socializing with women (that includes having sex with them). Why do you expect them to write great literature when they have nothing but gossip and cock on their minds?
>b-but academia proved that women are perfect in every way!!
It’s just social engineering, gaslighting and propaganda

>>20982858
tits or gtfo

>>20982858
>I wish more FtM people knew it was that simple to change gender
That's what Schiller meant when he said "Alle Menschen werden Brüder"

>>20981766
Pacify muh dick.

>>20982864
Weren't your mom tits enough, anon?

>>20982868
Kek

>>20980576
At this point its not funny. Virginia wolf is one of the best writers in the english language . Pls can we stop with this bullshit.I come from /tv/ and at the day that godard dies they have 4 threads about white replacement and i return here and i see some other misogynist shit . Just read more.

>>20983026
Misogyny is just a part of the site culture, it's not going anywhere

>>20983047
Anon is gender neutral. Any attempt to subvert this will be refunded in full

>>20983063
Straight white mid 20's American male is implied though. Women don't use the internet.

>>20980580
Powerful....

>>20980658
That's just marketing, they will say anything. What else are they supposed to say about her.

>>20982470
>most of them are not attractive at all which is a prerequisite for being a woman

>>20980576
George Eliot was a genius. But then she did write under a man's name because she thought women couldn't write and didn't want to be associated with them so maybe not the best example

>>20983076

Rustled you...

>>20981244
dont complement me

>>20982102
Because the rat was put in that cage for a reason and men used to be honest with themselves about why it was there

>>20983578
A noose would complement you.

>>20983593
nooses cant talk you fucking retard

Margarat Atwood, Mary Shelley, Agatha Christe

I genuinely believe women to be subhuman inferiors and I still think there's some incredible female writers

Every female author I've read recently feels like a Joan Didion wannabe, from Sally Rooney to Otessa, it all feels like Joan Didion imitation

Age of Innocence by Edith Wharton is so mind bendingly good I almost can't believe a woman wrote it

>>20980576
They're made for birthing and raising children, so they're middling at best at everything else. It evens out. The only things they come remotely close to excelling in are adjacent to childbirth and child rearing, like being sexy, housecleaning, performing sex acts, domestic-scale administrative duties, and midwifery for example.

>>20982044
The real hot take is that writing is one of the only things women can be truly good at. There are hundreds of skills no woman will ever be world class at

Flannery O'Connor
Margaret Mitchell

>>20983635
Looks like the plot of Anna Karenina but worse.

>>20982470
I actually agree, just because youre biologically female doesnt mean youre a "woman". Not pushing any tranny agenda, but to become a woman in the proper sense you also have to act out proper femininity and have skills, both mental and acquired that go along with it. Obviously a part of it is stuff like good looks, good dress etc. If you dont put any effort into it then youre not female youre just a dog. (same goes for men obv)

>>20982102
Ovid stated that the reason women should not be given education equal to men is because then they use cold and logical systems to argue for a an emotional and illogical viewpoint. The example he used was a woman eloquently and with "proper" argumentation trying to defend her sexual relationship with her father. There needs to be no argumentation that this is wrong, but she does it anyway.

>>20983768
>If you dont put any effort into it then youre not female youre just a dog. (same goes for men obv)
Yes this is a fair point. There are a set of standards for men that if they don't meet, they are in some way less of a man, but there doesn't exist such standards for woman unless you transpose for example the so-called madonna/whore complex in place of that sort of structure.
I saw in a thread about Camille Paglia she talked about exactly this, how men can be unmanned but women have that freedom to break expectations without losing their womanhood. Unless, again, you consider that they do and it's called by a different name, for example that the label of slut/whore are in part connoting this.

Why can't OP make good threads

>>20983612
>I still think there's some incredible female writers

There are a few but they've been dead for almost a century. There are certainly none right now.

>>20982815
>>20982827
Thanks. Thoughts on her?
Any others?

>>20983954
I don't think there are incredible male writers alive right now either anon

>>20983980
I like to think there are, but they will only be discovered after their lifetime.

>>20983980
It's arguable but McCarthy and Pynchon. They're both certainly far beyond any living female author.

>>20980752
Why should that make me like her or her shitty books? These false equivalencies are so common and they're the dumbest shit ever but you keep repeating them like it really makes sense to you.

>>20981198
But I thought she's not a Marxist according to one of your butt buddy >>20981143, and another one >>20980752
says she's a crypto-conservative. Which one of you are lying to win an argument? Fess up, I want to know why you look so stupid.

You guys have that jpeg about how history's greatest writers have been gay with cute gay boy wojak??
Something that says all the great men have a homo tendency

>>20983483
She sounds hot

>>20980576

They can write good children's books (Beverly Cleary, SE Hinton, Lewis Carrol, JKR, etc) because they have the minds of children, but they can't get into the emotional depths of adults enough to make them interesting and they don't have the mental dedication to write a truly great book that will be remembered after they're gone. The best they can do is write Chicklit masquerading as high brow literature like the Austens.

>>20983768
>Ovid: woman shouldn't be educated
Interesting. Where did he say this?

Susanna Clarke
Alice Munro

>>20980576

You're a moron

Doris Lessing
Muriel Spark
Charlotte, Emily, and Anne Bronte
Harper Lee
Tove Ditlevsen
Jane Austen
Fay Weldon
Rita Mae Brown
Anais Nin
Mary Wollstonecraft
Maya Angelou
George Eliot
Syvia Plath
Mary Gaitskill
Andrea Levy
Cary Churchill
Gertrude Stein
Janet Lewis
Sarah Hall
Daphne Du Maurier
Lorraine Hansberry
Simone De Beauvoir
Simone Weil
Nina Raine
Eudora Welty
Virginia Woolf
Lynn Buckle

>>20984805
Not that anon, but Emily Bronte and George Eliot are the only good authors on that list, rest is below average in terms of quality.

>>20984526
> Lewis Carrol

>>20984828
Emily Bronte is vastly inferior to at least half of the names on that list, so I don't think you've read enough of them to pass sweeping judgment of that caliber.

>>20984848
Half the names of that list are 20th century millennial crap, so your taste in literature being absolute dogshit seems to be a higher possibility.

>>20984865
Thanks for confirming my notion. You tourists are easy to spot.

I have no idea who this is and I don't care. Like all writers published in the past 10 years, she's probably only published because she's a woman with connections who writes political bullshit. I bet her books contain le big bad nazis that get BTFO in imaginary conversations, cynical slutty female main characters who are self destructive but lack the self-awareness to see how awful they are, and tranny characters that are passed off as normal people. I know how much publishers love that bullshit.

>>20980576
The only reason /lit/ anons think women can't write good literature is because they haven't read Sigrid Undset yet.

However, it is correct that men on average are better at writing lit, though there are certainly some women who can do it.

This is partly because of IQ distribution; men tend to be either brilliant or retarded, with most being either high IQ or low IQ.

Women on the other hand are centralized near the middle of the IQ distribution--most of them are neither brilliant or completely braindead, just mid.

This leads also to fewer women caring about lofty artistic ideals or merit, so that most of them just want low-effort, easily-digestible genre fiction.

It's also why the best chess players are men.

(But seriously, read Undset. Start with the Tiinna Nunnally translation of Kristin Lavransdatter.)

>>20981480
proof that that was ever an official position?

>>20984929
whats up with the text formatting?

>>20985037
By default the text box on my screen is small unless I manually enlarge it, and it always looks cramped so I just start another line instinctively. It's only after I hit "Post" that I realize how it actually ends up looking, but I'm too tired to care.

>>20985042
Stupid lie won't hide your Reddit usage, you faggot.

>>20985050
ITT retards can't cope with line spacing

>>20983073
>straight
>white
lurk more

>>20985037
>>20985050
What's up with this useless policing shit? You don't even read.

>>20981852
No me

>>20985411
>>20985517
You've been outed and now you need to leave.

>>20982815
>Anything on the extreme or nihilist side?
None that are female

>>20980576
>>20980587
Alice Munro
Emily Dickinson
Elizabeth Bishop
Barbara Gowdy
Natsuo Kirino
et al

have sex, OP

>>20980606
>>20980620
>>20980732
imagine coping this hard
holy shit

>>20981480
Both Irish and Italians where considered officially white in the US hence why they where able to emigrate, it was fucking illegal for non-whites to emigrate en-masse you stupid troglodyte liberal scum-sucker.

>>20981656
I'm only 85 pages in, but so far
>male love interests are gruff blue collar man and suave religious yuppie
>female character enacts phone sex scene that is essentially her desire to be domesticated
>in between chapters, diatribes about how much the women hate their life and wish they could submit themselves to some higher cause
>one such diatribe complains that "no one appreciates beauty anymore," wants to ban plastics
I believe the irish phrase for this collection of literary elements is "gagging for it"

>>20985738
wait til you get to the end kek

>>20981242
truth

>>20981242
i just watched the video related to the screenshot, why did she do it? it's not funny and pretty tasteless.

>>20980587
This book was fantastic

I do like /lit/.
The internet sissy slap fights here are of way higher quality than the fucking retarded, gay 14 year old bullshit on /k/. I need to visit more often.

>>20980732
No, that's Anne Frank's Diary.

>>20980576
Women can write it's just worse than men's writing. There are some proper female authors (Flannery O'Connor, the Bronte sisters, Woolf etc.) but there aren't many of them, and they are of a lower quality than their male contemporaries.

>>20981734
No, but they need it to get laid with "le high value male" that they're hardwired to mate with.

>>20981143
>from ever being a marxist and communist
She describes herself as a marxist. Explicitly.

>>20980580
>They can

>>20984805
>Anne Bronte
garbage

>(((Levy)))
>(((Stein)))
>(((Weil)))

In general, all those cunts are shit apart from Woolf and Austen.

>>20980576
Incel thread

>>20981440
Retard

>>20986205
Well she's going about it in the most retarded way possible. She's 31, it's basically over for her. If she wanted to not be a useless femcel she would've had 3+ children already, instead of writing low-middlebrow novels sort of passive-aggressively complaining about the life she wakes up and chooses every day that's allegedly making her unhappy.

>>20986211
None of that is cringe, do you even read?

>>20986211
Rooney's style has a robotic quality to me. It's normal for college students to get into a little bit of a heated discussion now and then over drinks, but the way the political terminology is inserted is clumsy and makes the normal part feel artificial.
And aside from Bobbi being so clever that nobody at the table can contradict her, nobody even busts her balls? These are supposed to be educated people and there's no wit. I get that the point of this scene is characterization and Rooney is leading somewhere, it just feels unnatural. It's not deep on an idea level, and it's not interesting on a plot level. I can't see this leading anywhere except which of the characters will sleep with each other, and have that be a sort of refutation of what they think or believe. Except Rooney doesn't seem talented enough to know what to do with that, what the point of it is.

>>20984805
>"popular = good!!!"

>all the faggots ITT saying the like to read female authors

Ursula

>>20983587
This is why you are dying alone, never touched a woman, rejected by your own mother.

>>20980706
You are a good man but you must take care not to fall into the "enemy of my enemy" trap.

>>20986810
>I get that the point of this scene is characterization and Rooney is leading somewhere
That's the funniest part, she isn't. There's really no purpose to that scene other than the obvious "look how smart my pseudo sociological theories are!". This is Rooney peacocking.

>>20986649
You don't even realize you just outed yourself as a cringe shitwit yourself, don't you?

>>20986810
I think there's an extra dimension to this. The scene is not about the ideas discussed, but about how Bobbi's openly lesbian, and that's why the other characters (timid liberal humanists) are afraid to go in on her (become "heated", as you put it), since they're well aware such a move would be "punching downward" -- which she of course knows, and wears like a suit of armor. Making her some hideous dreadlocked crust-punk mutt creatura in the TV adaptation only reinforced this. Bobbi later seethes about the main character's older partner (a handsome actor), and not only because the former two were once romantically involved, but because the latter doesn't play by her Oppression Olympics rulebook, and she of course tries to tear him down and paint him as some sort of airheaded fuckboy.

>>20980576
Women do not exist or live in the reality that men do. They are sheltered, blinded by their ego, and led astray more so than any man could ever be. It's just in their nature. Nothing they produce will ever make real sense in a man's eyes. At best, you will get multiple ideas of what she intended but there is no single concrete form. Her mind is fractured and emotional. A woman would better understand, but she would still doubt her fellow female, knowing the failings of their gender intrinsically.

>>20985904
i have to read this for a class, is it actually good?

>>20987463
Consider yourself lucky. It's one of those books that gives you a sense of wonder and a want to explore around. It somewhat reminded me of the premise of the game Don't Starve, where you're a science-minded fellow trapped in a strange world with a tall, dark character pulling the strings, requiring you to explore around while staying alive to discover the secrets of the world.

>>20980580
They can but there is like 3 of them. If you got suggestions I'd love to know.

>>20981242
Why are you so obsessed with sex? Sex literally doesn't matter.

i read this book on a whim once called "drive your plow over the bones of the dead" by polish writer olga tokarczuk and it was and has remained one of my favorites. highly recommended

>>20981734
It's a group level evolutionary strategy to make men collectively work harder to get any woman at all. This ensures that women are getting dicked by guys who are more masculine and capable than they otherwise would be if women didn't have these preferences. It's not about a hookup culture that has only existed since the 1980s. It's about the conditions of human evolution.

>>20987645
What's it about?

>>20987645
Yeah ditto, don't just post without a synopsis, I'm fucking lazy and there's too much garbage out there to bother.

>>20988585
>>20988835
Not that guy but the synopsis on libgen is as follows:

With Drive Your Plow Over the Bones of the Dead, Man Booker International Prize-winner Olga Tokarczuk returns with a subversive, entertaining noir novel.
In a remote Polish village, Janina Duszejko, an eccentric woman in her sixties, recounts the events surrounding the disappearance of her two dogs. She is reclusive, preferring the company of animals to people; she’s unconventional, believing in the stars; and she is fond of the poetry of William Blake, from whose work the title of the book is taken. When members of a local hunting club are found murdered, Duszejko becomes involved in the investigation.
By no means a conventional crime story, this existential thriller by ‘one of Europe’s major humanist writers’ (Guardian) offers thought-provoking ideas on our perceptions of madness, injustice against marginalized people, animal rights, the hypocrisy of traditional religion, belief in predestination – and caused a genuine political uproar in Tokarczuk’s native Poland.

It also apparently won a nobel prize in literature.

>>20982084
Piece from "A Good Man Is Hard To Find", that was a good read, thanks for posting.

I'd warn for spoilers but it's 13 pages long.

>>20980623
>>20980732
Percy wrote it.

Sally Cooney the niiger

>>20985896
Link?

>>20988859

She won the Nobel more for The Books of Jacob which was not translated into English at the time. Still need to grab it now it is translated.

Drive Your Plow Over the Bones of the Dead is kino though. Schizo astrologer hermit woman decides to be come a detective. Very much about living outside society. It's the kind of shit /lit/ usually laps up

>>20988585
>>20988835
its about a woman who lives in this tiny town in poland where during the winter like 6 people live there. her best friend is a poet who is obsessed with translating william blake into polish. people start being killed in her villages and the villages around her and it looks like they've been killed by random acts of nature, which seems to be corroborated by the main character, an eccentric middle aged woman whose obsessed with astrology, named janina.

its been a while from when i read it but now i want to read it again trying to think of the plot

>>20982102
Your poor rat analogy unironically implies that women don't have agency.

>>20984805
only 3 good writers in that list. Plath, Woolf, Emily Bronte

>>20991865
There's no way you've read every writer on that list, so there's no way you can pass accurate judgement. You are not as smart as you think you are and you should stop posting. You're also stupid.

I bought some Haruki Murakami books years ago. I liked, only until recently i learned that Haruki is not womans name.

>>20992582
Don't worry, he's spiritually female

Lol at all the pseuds in this thread simping for Sally Rooney refusing to let the thread die.

>>20993314
don't know what you're talking about

>>20980576
women do not have strong abstract thinking skills and when they do they tend to be oriented towards the mundane or the low complexity issues which one does not need intense abstraction to resolve; women are one plastic surgery procedure and tit job away from losing all integrity; women are all mad that they didn't get fucked into disembodied states every second of the day when they were young; women envy penises because you can rape people with penises and people who have them are strong and control violence; women don't have to fight in wars, they have not collective racial memory of killing others; women are never adepts or mystics so their inner world tends to be dim, gloomy, shallow; women's prose is truly midwit, it never ascends to levels that even pseuds like Nabokov and Proust could manage; women are basically less likely to be geniuses and genius is practically the only way to produce good literature; women do not have a strong individualist inclination, in fact Ayn Rand, an ugly, unimaginative, banal, perpetually earthbound, flightless and weasel worded pseud is the only one ive seen have a "deep" thought to give about the sovereignty of the individual soul; women are afraid of making aggressive critiques of society and their own type; women are perpetually biologically bound to defend themselves and what they do, no woman would ever attack sex and marriage and feminism, there are a number of men who find organic life to be disgusting, its almost inevitable that female transhumanists like animals or that they think female sexuality is beautiful or that a tradfag woman loves being mother, they're incapable of misanthropy, true world-hate or the desire to annihilate the world; women have no understanding of destiny; women are hypergamous; women are lazy; women are emotional to a point of atrophying philosophical and intuitive tendencies, they're not intuitive at all, they're cthonic roiling cauldrons of other people's affects; women cannot affect without using a mediating pathway, they need some type of conduit or channel they're not strong enough to emit force themselves, so they'll use sex and violence to communicate instead in their writing (despite not understanding how sex works at all), no woman has ever properly understood sex they psychologize it into an alien torture ritual for themselves or some form of affirmation of their independence, they don't see the sexual act as truly debased like Men do, and as mentioned above they are incapable of understanding the purpose or impulses beneath hyper violence (hence violence is always a psychotic detachment from one's role in society; women's whole violence pathos is based in psychosis).

>>20980629
these things are a walk in the park and expected want to try again femcel

>>20993806
holy schizo

>>20980587
Of course, and (You) know that. The problem isn't women, it's modern women

They can't really think. They just appear to think.

>>20981962
They can have them for free
https://b-ok.cc/author/Sally%20Rooney

>>20980587
Anne Tyler
Alice Munro
Susanna Clarke

>>20988994
>retarded conspiracy theorist is retarded

>>20987560
Virginia Woolf is a brilliant writer and probably in your three already.

>>20986810
>And aside from Bobbi being so clever that nobody at the table can contradict her, nobody even busts her balls? These are supposed to be educated people and there's no wit. I get that the point of this scene is characterization and Rooney is leading somewhere, it just feels unnatural. It's not deep on an idea level, and it's not interesting on a plot level. I can't see this leading anywhere except which of the characters will sleep with each other, and have that be a sort of refutation of what they think or believe. Except Rooney doesn't seem talented enough to know what to do with that, what the point of it is.
Soap opera tier writing. The actual content ultimately boils down to something very lowbrow under the disguise of the opposite. I feel like that's the case with a lot of stuff these days.

>>20980623
It's garbage. Absolutely inept. The prose is inflated, and the narrative is needlessly nested like a Russian doll. It's geninely painful to read.
There's a reason why Percy Shelley wanted to fuck other women. His wife was fucking insufferable.

>>20987278
seethe and cope

>>20981733
There is also their inborn sense of entitlement, which means they expect praise and validation without ever making sacrifices or working hard.

>>20982138
>If you forbid women to talk about politics and philosophy, obviously all they will talk about is more frivolous things like gossip.
If you allow them to your nation/polity/state will descend into complete degeneracy and dysfunction (such as now) and would quickly have been overthrown by a less dysgenic force. By virtue of being physically and mentally weaker women are also morally inferior and more bestial.
>>20983813
>Unless, again, you consider that they do and it's called by a different name, for example that the label of slut/whore are in part connoting this.
This is part of the reason why there's a big push against "slutshaming" and becoming a slut has become normalized. It allows women to get away with pretty much anything without social repercussion, not just sexual freedoms. It eradicates all standards by granting them unconditional access to the self-affirmative identity of womanhood.

>>20994426
She's an ambitious and probably important writer, but reading her is like stabbing yourself in the eyes with a screwdriver. Her prose is some of the clumsiest ever written.

>>20988994
Percy had a better command of English.

>>20980629
https://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Johann_Christian_S%C3%BC%C3%9F

>>20984745

Men read for transcendence.

Women read for sexual and romantic satisfaction. That is, they consume the book, and after their refractory period ends they require another for sustenance. It could be the exact same book but with different character names and a different setting.
It does not matter to them, just as it does not matter to you how much your sandwich differs from day to day.

>>20994623
>just as it does not matter to you how much your sandwich differs from day to day
How fucking DARE you. I am a conoisseur of the sandwich, and it FUCKING matters.
Eating the same sandwich every day would be like fucking the same woman for the rest of your life - an intolerable constraint, the diet of a slave.

>>20981480
The Irish were able to become US citizens when citizenship was reserved for whites. They took part in pro-Confederate, anti-black Peaceful Protests in New York in the 1860s and were accepted by their fellow protesters as being white. In the early 20th century scientific racists like Madison Grant believed that the Irish were not only white but Nordic. The Nordicist inspired 1924 immigration act didn't discriminate against the Irish. The image that people like to post to "prove" that the Irish were considered non-white is actually satire intended to mock Nordicists. Social distance surveys from the early 20th century show that US whites had low social distance to the Irish but very high to blacks. Anti-Irish sentiment was religiously motivated.

>>20994614
Good writers.

>>20980576
I think ultimately they just lack some or all of that which is called "imagination". However, they are excellent at imitation, and therefore quite suited for producing scrupulous academic texts. It is not an indictment on women that they are not creators, since that has always been a domain of men. In short, women as the "second sex" are imitators of men by their very nature.

>>20994623
>It does not matter to them, just as it does not matter to you how much your sandwich differs from day to day.
If you live a lifetime of eating shitty sandwiches, I can understand the sentiment. However, I appreciate the finer details of sandwich construction and tend to be rather picky about how it's made. Sometimes I'll switch up the order of operations for different flavor and texture combinations, but ultimately there are narrow windows of perfection within these arrangements that must be respected in order to achieve pure sandwich bliss in every bite.

>>20994623
>Men read for transcendence.
You haven't been on /lit/ for long if you believe this.

>>20980576
>>20980580
>>20980587
ENTER

>>20980658
>I wonder how Salley Rooney is hailed as the writer of a generation, when I, a general weirdo on the margins of social normalcy, cannot personally relate to the depiction of the average 21st century millennial in her books.
This is the type of post that, for me, would have never made it past 3 seconds of critical self-reflection.

>>20999655
That's good.

>>20980658
she has an incredible grasp of the subtlety and mundane nature of love in a modern setting. of two people's life stories intertwining then untangling and eventually coming back together which strikes a deep chord with those who've experienced it.

the reason dostoyevskys schizos appeal to you is because you relate to them. its literally in the name, "normal people". if youre not a normal person a lot of the interest in the book will either bore you to sleep or totally go over your head.

tldr: >>20999859, said it far better

>>21001803
I think a basic amount of empathy should be enough to enjoy Rooney. A common experience shouldn't be a requirement of literature. Alas, these goobers can't view the world through anything but their chud tinted lens; their loss!

>>21002350
cant believe im saying this but the series is better.

>>20980576
Mary Shelley wrote a great book but it was inspired by the debauchery of the men in her life: her father and Byron.

>>20985727
Dilate, nonny

>>20980662
>on the reading board
>thinks three sentences is too long

>>20985727
>muh 50 women through history prove you wrong!!

>>20985730
Coping with what? With the fact that only a handful of women have written anything worthwile? I don't think I need to cope with that

>>20994623
I dunno I’m starting to think things like that are psyops. I can anecdotally attest that some women do like rape fantasies (and if you look at hentai and coomshit, men do too). But I think presenting it as a natural thing is the psyop. Smut peddlers and porn creators and the general amorphous collective of perverts with influence want people to like their weird fetishes so they tell people it is a general fact.
>I like rape so I’m gonna make up a study to show that women like rape fantasies and if they don’t they should
I get the same feeling from “white women crave bbc” or “white girls fuck dogs”. They don’t actually, the people who say the slogans just want them to so they repeat it until women start thinking “hm maybe I do want dog dick”

>>21002350
The irony. You first. Display endless empathy for the le chud incel dyosterovkekskeys if you want it back.

>>20980706
>virulent anti-semitism
link?

>reading fiction

>>21003833
your history books are fiction as well, Todd

>>20980662

Why do you niggas have to make everything a competition? Why can't we all get along and just enjoy the wonderful world of literature for what it has to offer?

>>21004050
I could've done this, but then white women and Jewish women took control of over 80% of the publishing industry, and are now actively excluding straight white males in favour of young college women.

This too, wouldn't be bad if it was college-educated women of a hundred years ago ... but no, it's 20yo gassed up midwit women that are striving to be "intellectual," but only have aesthetic tastes for fanfiction and gay romance novels.

So no, we can't get along. And you're the reason for it, not us. You started it, not us.

>>21004123
Nigga what?

I'm a 22 year old neet who's just learning to love reading again.

What am I specifically at fault for? If straight men are being excluded from publishing I agree that's fucked up and wrong.

But do you mean it's my fault? I started it? What I have possibly done when I haven't read a book that wasn't a manga in a decade, and am just starting to get my GED much less enter college?

I have done nothing but play viddygame most my life. What are you blaming me for?

>>21004123

Yeah but the emancipation of women and generally primitive social attitudes regarding sex and culture in America, the relative lack of steep social stratification and historical mythos compared to Europe or Asia. Where we are now was inevitable. In fact the lack of centralized power in this country means for certain it was inevitable. The only real source of influence for the past several decades was television and these people were just grubby business men and retards so it was never used for anything. The best we can hope for is a Jesus Christ tier socmedia Andrew Tate type freak who will entertain the entropy and wickedness out of the American spirit. But this seems unlikely, the worse a country gets the harder it is to disguise good as bad in order to even survive if you're a good person

>>20980576
We've known the reason for time immemorial.

>>21004123
So you're going to act just like a feminazi but on the other side of the table. Using the actions of a shitty movement as an excuse to be shitty to people who didn't do anything to you. You're using the same logic you decry others for.

You can't expect positive change if you're going to always going to be petty and resentful. Mistreatment of men won't stop by mistreating women. You'll only create more bitter misandrist that way, just like how misandrist create misogynists.

Nothing will change for the better if we don't try to act and treat one another better.

>>20994569
This is every member of the aristocracy since time immemorial. There are plenty of great millennial and zoomer artists who will never get the marketing opportunities to ever get recognised.

Just like with most recent time periods, a few disconnected schizos will be recognised decades after their deaths, so that, conveniently, jewish publishers don't have to pay them a dime in royalties.

Of course they can. It is just so rare you can spend your whole life without finding a woman with higher capabilities. Hegel never met a woman like that hence his negative outlook. Schopenhauer managed to find a woman like that late in life which changed his outlook from negative to a more nuanced one.

>>21004240
>Mistreatment of men won't stop by mistreating women.
It will stop when we start killing each other

>>21004475
Actually pretty based. Let's do it.

>>20980576
The only good book by a woman I've read is Wuthering Heights

>>21004973
What other women authors have you read?

>>20980576

>f3
>Weininger
>0 results

>>21004973
Read Frankenstein. It's pretty good.

>>20982138
>If you forbid women to talk about politics and philosophy, obviously all they will talk about is more frivolous things like gossip
Yes, they would do that, that's the main reason why women are retarded

>>20980576
Because you live in a misogynistic bubble

>>20993806
Women have better language skills based on data

>>20980576
they are activists for themselves

>>21006689
I can't think of any

>>21008186
>Weininger
Not a woman

>>21008453
>b-b-but the mean is higher for women
nobody near the mean has ever produced anything of artistic value

/r/redscarepod trannies in the thread tonight

>>20980576
sally is a silver spoon little cunt who got handed publishing deals on a silver platter. she probably sold her asshole to an old jew for the exchange. if she had to make it on her own no one would publish her because she writes midwit slop.

being female isn't her problem. being a small hat clan's selected puppet is.

I wonder, did all these women come in from those posts about /lit/'s top books?

>>20982827
>recommending the shock value jewess goblin unironically
sally might have bought her publishing deal by taking circumcised dick up her asshole but i don't know that even a disgusting, hideous jew would fuck moshfegh.

>>21010364
Shut up you stupid newfag. You are confusing Judaism with Zionism; Moshfegh does nothing to promote Jewish values, if anything she does the opposite. Back to /pol/ NOW. Won't tell you again.

>>21010371
you're confusing political judaism with ethnic judaism. posting on the internet won't grow your amputated dick back.

>>21010461
I'm not confusing anything retard. Using your own silly semantics I can tell you that Moshfegh is an ethnic Jew and behaves nothing like a political Jew.

Go back.

>>20980576
It’s biological. Simple as. Women are wired to nurture (and that’s a very good thing, we love women here).
There are exceptions since genetics are a crapshoot but for the most part their brains don’t work the same way as male brains.
And I want to make it clear that I am absolutely not calling women dumb, it’s silly to even compare men and women’s intellects because we’re wired to excel at different things.

>>21010486
I'm very aware she's an ethnic jew; that's why I dislike her. You will never be a woman.

Guess you'll haven't heard of Emily St. John Mandel!

>>21010507
Brings me back to why you're a /pol/ tourist. Your NPC brain is unable to make the distinction between Zionism and Judaism, and is unable to see why your mention of her ethnicity screams newfag trying to fit in.

Sally Rooney is more of a Jew than Moshfegh.

>>21010517
They're both jews and I therefore dislike them both. I also dislike trannies.

>>21010530
do you also dislike women? you're so based anon desu desu

>>21010538
trannies aren't women.

>>20981480
If Irish and Italians were considered non-white they wouldn't be freaking allowed into the country.

>>20980576
Too busy sucking dick