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>That being the case, the self-styled 'exact' sciences of the moderns, to the extent that they make use of statistics and go so far as to extract from them predictions for the future {relying always on the supposed identicality of the facts taken into account, whether past or future), are really no more than mere 'conjectural' sciences, to use an expression freely employed by the promoters of a kind of modern astrology dubbed 'scientific'; and in employing this term they admit more freely than many other people what their astrology really consists in, for it certainly has only the vaguest and most remote connection, perhaps no more than that of a common terminology, with the true traditional astrology of the ancients, which is today as completely lost as all other knowledge of the same order.

Is there any book which claims to present Astrology from a traditional point of view?

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>> No.20975456

>>20975441
The Picatrix or anything from the Renaissance and earlier.

>> No.20975461

>>20975441
God i love him so much

>> No.20975466

new link
https://discord.gg/8XPKZHKj

>> No.20975481

>>20975441
Astrology is a modern invention of the Theosophists, and that's why there's no direct lineage of it into antiquity regardless of whatever claims they claim.
It's the same with the crystals scam. People must be desperate to fall for all those kinds of things.
The stars are there for three purposes; navigation, decoration, and missiles to throw at devils.

>> No.20975504

>>20975481
that's not true, there is also vedic astrology in india and has nothing to do with theosophy and occultism

>> No.20975507

>>20975481
Um who is Ptolemy then?

>> No.20975619

>>20975441
>also, join our server
>https://discord.gg/haENNtqq
no

>> No.20975864

>>20975441
stop posting the discord server link in the OP
post it in the third or fourth post or something

it's too forced

>> No.20976286

>>20975441
Yes, 'The Real Astrology' by John Frawley, he presents the traditional weltanschauung in which astrology was developed and even mentions Guénon and other 'traditionalists'.
And it's no just theory, he goes into practice as well.

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>It may be remarked incidentally that the contentions of philosophers are often much more justifiable when they are arguing against other philosophers than when they pass on to expound their own views, and as each one generally sees fairly clearly the defects of the others, they more or less destroy one another mutually. Thus it is that Bergson, if one takes the trouble to rectify his mistakes in terminology, gives a good demonstration of the faults of rationalism (which, so far from being one with 'intellectualism', is on the contrary its negation) and of the insufficiences of reason, but he is no less wrong in his own turn when, to fill the gap thus created, he probes the 'infra-rational' instead of lifting his gaze towards the 'supra-rational' (and this is why his philosophy is just as individualistic and ignores the supra-individual order just as completely as that of his rivals).

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20976969

I just put together my 6 month Hindu learning plan
Got so much to get through holy shit
Didn't realize the Mahapuranas were so damn long

Here is more or less the people I'm hitting that was recommended in the Yoga Sutras introduction by Edwin Bryant
>Vyasa
>Shankara
>Vacaspati Misra
>Vijnanabhiksu
>Ramananda Sarasvati
>Hariharananda Aryanya

all while going to a yoga studio multiple times a week

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20976971

>>20976969
but we're going to make it
and get redpilled as hell

for a proper foundation must be laid before diving into shingon

>> No.20976989

I was also thinking how it's kind of inevitable for shankara and advaita to dominate a place like like /lit/

Eventually though, later this decade, a Western form of it will dominate /lit/, likely in the form of Catholicism and Rama Coomaraswamy types, as it is more accessible than Hinduism.

Screencap this prophecy

>> No.20977485

>>20976286
Seconding 'The Real Astrology'. It was very eye opening when I read it. Frawley discusses how the traditional science of astrology became lost and replaced with bastardizations like sun signs, horoscopes, and star reading. He also does not spare an opportunity to dab on new agers and modern astrologers. I picked up 'The Horary Textbook' by Frawley so I can start studying it, and it turns out to be a logically rigorous science with math, where you get clear straight forward answers to questions, unlike modern horoscopes where it's nothing but vague feel good answers. Luckily, the calculations aren't that complex. You can just consult an ephemeris for planet positions, and all you have to do is convert your timezone to GMT and the lat/long in the chart to your position. Or you can just use software to make it even easier.

>> No.20978002

>>20975461
Why? He has nothing important to say

>> No.20978671

>>20976989
just screw abrahamism, is retarded and it turns people into larpers

>> No.20978687

>>20978002
He's one of the only writers with anything remotely important to say in the past 200 years.

>> No.20978713

>>20977485
yeah, by far the best astrology book
>and it turns out to be a logically rigorous science with math, where you get clear straight forward answers to questions,
this
the real difference is when you look at astrology from a traditional (symbolical) worldview, because thats how it was developed

some books recommended by frawley (not all of them related to astrology)
https://www.johnfrawley.com/recommended-reading

>> No.20978748

>>20976989
its just a question of time
the buddhists are losing territory and influence and the proponents of the aparabrahman (neoplatonists, sufis, mystics, etc) cannot ever recover themselves in face of Pure metaphysics (advaita)

as for abrahamism, its too late, the cycle of monotheistic religions is coming to its end

OM TAT SAT

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20978873

>>20978671
>>20978748
>as for abrahamism, its too late
Just in time for MOSHIACH

>> No.20978885

>>20978748
We need the neoplatonic - esoteric buddhist alliance

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20979988

>>20975441
Why the long face?

>> No.20980811

what do you goys think of vegetarianism

>> No.20980823

>>20980811
I have an aversion to the idea that there are so many conscious beings which all exist in a sense to be gutted and consumed. It's machine-like and subhuman. At the same time, meat is nearly essential for proper bodily functioning and can only be averted by undertaking equally as artificial and contrived means. What did Guenon think of it? I don't recall reading anything from him about it, except I know somewhere that he does consider all animals conscious in a similar (although not exactly the same) way as man.

>> No.20980845

>>20980823
>meat is nearly essential for proper bodily functioning
luv me bacon
>What did Guenon think of it?
quick search in the archives doesn't show much at all. he equates vegetarianism to Anglo-Saxon moralism (he was talking about Theosophy) but doesn't go any further.

>> No.20981031

>>20980845
The Anglo-Saxon moralism answer doesn't stick with me, if that's really his entire answer (from memory he was only replying to a particular rationale for vegetarianism). Hygiene with respect to food (not culinary hygiene as we know it, but what is chosen to be consumed) is a large part of both the Laws of Manu and other important traditional texts. Which includes not only when you should eat, but what.

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>>20981031
I agree, it's a minor irrelevant comment that should be ignored
>Laws of Manu
the only bit of dietary info I remember from LoM is you can't be Twice Born and eat mushrooms or something

>> No.20981063

>>20980811
Yoga: non-violence is in the first limb, it’s often understood as implying vegetarianism

Ayurveda:
Meat is not sattvic for the body and mind. Dairy is seen in a positive light, but it’s speaking of dairy from cows living normal cow lives, not factory cows and pasteurized shit.

Conclusion: veganism is the way, unless you have access to high quality, fresh, raw dairy from loved cows

>> No.20981431

>>20978885
that would be an interesting allience
from a doctirnal point of view, both of them follow the same path, overcoming the trap of phenomena through virtue
and metaphysically both of them represent the opposite sides of the same coin: how to concile the dichotomy betwen being and becoming, in Plato's doctrine that's the relation: To Hen/ahoristos dyas and in buddhist abidharma, the doctrine of momentariness, maybe there's a way to mix the two