/lit/ - Literature

First for no one. Enjoy the thread, guys.

>>20977550
So we've come to people not checking catalogs for generals.

Second for Xianxia.

>>20977550
bump

>>20977550
That’s a pretty neat image.

>>20977617
Holy fuck you are one dumb fuck sunnauvabitch. The last thread had 400+ replies you don't need to bump.

First for sucking R. Scott Bakker's fat veiny cock

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>>20977651
which side mogs?

>>20977742
A lot of those guys are moderates and not left/right wing in any real sense

>>20977742
For me this is Goodkind, Wolfe, & Howard vs. Gorge Fartin. Not a hard decision even though I do love me some nipples and nuncles.

>>20977782
Goodkind
>Dedicated To the people in the United States Intelligence Community, who, for decades, have valiantly fought to preserve life and liberty, while being ridiculed, condemned, demonized, and shackled by the jackals of evil.
We are reaching levels of BASED previously considered impossible.

>>20977815
Lol uh oh, nah I don't have anything to say about that I'm just saying I read Sword of Truth

Able keeps beating the shit out of people and taking their stuff.

>>20977742
Bakker transcends both sides, he even transcends the based and unbased/pozzed and non-pozzed labels, he rules supreme over it all

Hey you guys wanna read my fantasy novel/s? Gonna publish with Amazon sometime in the next few months when I have covers done and I'm sure I've finally found every little typo that spellcheck doesn't catch.

>>20978179
Post an extract. What is it about?

>>20977742
Dumb question.

>>20978164
bakker is trash

>>20978110
Having read a few of Wolfe's books, I'm convinced most of his protagonists are on the autism spectrum. Able especially so.

>>20977815
The CIA niggers glow in the dark. You can see them if you're driving. You just run them over, that's what you do.

>>20977773
Not to mention plenty of them lived and wrote in times when these terms weren't even really applicable or were significantly different from current (mostly shitty and grossly incorrect) connotations

>>20978252
No, not really. Not according to this general's opinion.

>>20978415
Silmarillion is far harder to get into than the others in that block. It reads like a history textbook comprised of mostly made up names and words.

>>20978415
It was put up there right at the start of making that chart so that Bakkerfags would shut the fuck up and leave the chart with a chance of goign anywhere. It's still a shit chart though.

>>20978415
Very good chart. Thank you for sharing.

>>20978431
You sound resentful.

>>20978415
I nominate Game of Thrones to be moved to A3 because of the number of named characters who have to be reminded using the appendices until everybody clicks into place.
Name of the Wind should be put into D2 then.
Surely Wheel of Time is perfectly middling and belongs in B?
Neuromancer honestly should be S tier based on how seminal it is.

>>20978461
>Surely Wheel of Time is perfectly middling and belongs in B?
This one surely takes the cake.

>>20978415
This general has no communal chart-related opinion.

>>20978487
Lurk moar.

>>20978468
I get that you might not like him or he doesn't hold up or whatever. I dropped the series after book 2. But the guy was the benchmark in high fantasy for years. The chart has him on a level with Sword of Truth, Shannara, and Lord Foul's Bane and that's inaccurate.

>>20978489
This general has zero chart-related communal opinion and all of your newfag squeals will never change this.
Post that strawpoll so I can laugh at you and the pathetic low-functioning B* spammer.

>>20978494
>the chart has him on a level with sword of truth, shannara, and lord foul's bane and that's inaccurate
You're right, the waste of time should be much lower.

>>20978499
Lurk moar.

>>20978507
Oh, is newfag not even aware of that chart? What a surprise!

>>20978494
You would require the entire alphabet to rank everything properly. Having that said, the Wheel of Time is still below average.

>>20978509
Lurk moar.

>>20978499
You mean this one?

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>>20978529
No Gu Zhen Ren.

>>20978435
just FYI, the guy who made the chart didn't even read 20% of the books on it, placement was decided by who can shitpost the best and shill his favourite series the hardest
doesn't mean most placements aren't right, but there are a few that are retardedly wrong
t. was here when it was made

>>20978550
Don't care.

>>20977742
I haven't used my sffg memes in years.

>>20977742

I didn't realise just how much I preferred small scale stories until I read this.
>the universe has been waiting for you for more millions of years than you could even imagine. You've been hurtling towards this event since before the beginning of time. It's yours alone. You're the only one that can do what needs to be done, and it's the most important thing that will ever happen

read cradle

>>20978621
Thanks, but no thanks.

Just picked up a used copy of this, anyone here read it? Looks like it could be good from the brief description I read.

>>20978760
I have it lying around somewhere, post your first impressions when you start it.

>>20978762
will do

>>20978621
I did. I have no desire to red more in the series.

>>20978619
Polgara is based tho

Should I reread LOTR (I read it once like 5 years ago or more, don't remember much of the stuff that wasn't in the movies) or instead read The Silmarillion for the first time?

>>20979039
Silmarillion then Hobbit then LOTR.

>>18607384
I wonder how disappointed this dude is if he still shows up every few months, only to further cultivate his contempt upon seeing the same shit-stained walls of /sffg/.

>>20979050
No need to samefag all the way to 2021.

>>20979039
Once you get to the Council of Elrond, LOTR is a cracking good story. The Silmarillion is more like a history textbook. You've gotta be pretty highly motivated to plow through the Silmarillion.

>>20978619
>the universe has been waiting for you for more millions of years than you could even imagine. You've been hurtling towards this event since before the beginning of time. It's yours alone. You're the only one that can do what needs to be done, and it's the most important thing that will ever happen
I need to know what I stand to win

>>20978415
Reminds me >>20975482

>>20978529
110 angloids need to be purged from this thread.

>>20979097
>LOTR is a cracking good story.
>>20979274

>“After Jaime had made his confession, to drive home the lesson, Lord Tywin brought my wife in and gave her to his guards. They paid her fair enough. A silver for each man, how many whores command that high a price? He sat me down in the corner of the barracks and bade me watch, and at the end she had so many silvers the coins were slipping through her fingers and rolling on the floor, she…” The smoke was stinging his eyes. Tyrion cleared his throat and turned away from the fire, to gaze out into darkness. “Lord Tywin had me go last,” he said in a quiet voice. “And he gave me a gold coin to pay her, because I was a Lannister, and worth more.”
>"My giant of Lannister, I love you so."
>This time he dreamed he was at a feast, a victory feast in some great hall. He had a high seat on the dais, and men were lifting their goblets and hailing him as hero. Marillion was there, the singer who’d journeyed with them through the Mountains of the Moon. He played his woodharp and sang of the Imp’s daring deeds. Even his father was smiling with approval. When the song was over, Jaime rose from his place, commanded Tyrion to kneel, and touched him first on one shoulder and then on the other with his golden sword, and he rose up a knight. Shae was waiting to embrace him. She took him by the hand, laughing and teasing, calling him her giant of Lannister.
>“You ask that? You, who killed your mother to come into the world? You are an ill-made, devious, disobedient, spiteful little creature full of envy, lust, and low cunning."
>For hands of gold are always cold, but a woman's hands are warm.
>"He used to make me tell him how big he was. My giant, I had to call him, my giant of Lannister." Oswald Kettleblack was the first to laugh. Boros and Meryn joined in, then Cersei, Ser Loras, and more lords and ladies than he could count. The sudden gale of mirth made the rafters ring and shook the Iron Throne. It's true," Shae protested. "My giant of Lannister." The laughter swelled twice as loud. Their mouths were twisted in merriment, their bellies shook. Some laughed so hard that snot flew from their nostrils.
>“Did you ever like it?” “Did you ever like my touch?.” “More than anything,” she said, “my giant of Lannister.”
>"Wherever whores go."
>Sansa, Shae, all my women ... Tysha was the only one who ever loved me. Where do whores go?
>"I love you, Tyrion. I love your lips. I love your voice, and the words you say to me, and how you treat me gentle. I love your face."
Tyrion's chapters hurt on a re-read

>>20979284
fuck off to >>>/tv/ got normalfag. This is a LitRPG/Xianxia thread now. ANGLOIDS GET OUT.

>>20979289
It’s pretty sad that you waste you life away just shitting up a general, especially at this time of day. I hope you do something with your life.

>>20979295
Posting GoT excerpts and your undying love for the most boring angloid walk through the english country side simulator shits up the thread far more than any amount of webnovel ever could.

>>20977550
Area X: The Southern Reach Trilogy - Jeff VanderMeer (2014)

This edition has a few changes, as explained in this interview:
JV: I did cut about three pages from Authority and trim some other sections a tad in anticipation of a continuous read from those who pick up the omnibus. I also altered just a couple of little things in Annihilation and Acceptance for continuity reasons.
https://weirdfictionreview.com/2014/11/weirdness-in-the-southern-reach/

As I finished each book of this trilogy I wrote about it, rather than writing about the entire trilogy at once. I was surprised about how what I thought about the series changed in the days that followed after I finished. My feelings on it have greatly benefitted from it being a group read and the longer duration that it's been between finishing it and posting. What I think about it now is far less harsh, though not any more favorable. So, mostly a matter of tone. I've left what I originally wrote at the time, since it's a reflection of how I felt immediately after reading. I've replaced the preface I originally wrote with this one, because it was far too angry. The only part I'll reuse is this excerpt: It's like a puzzle where every piece is blank and then after you put it all together, you draw on it to create your own meaning.

Annihilation
This is the sort of story where everything is genericized, which for the characters also makes them also dehumanized. That was surely the intention, but it's not a style that I prefer. Stories like this require a lot of suspension of disbelief for their initial premise, let alone everything else that follows.

The most significant problem for me with this is the lack of believability. It was like someone telling me a very goal-oriented fictional story that's very convenient. The protagonist was like a puppet being strung along. It was if she had no greater purpose than for the plot to be revealed. None of the characters held any interest to me, which severely lessened how engaged I could be.

Throughout the entire book the most recurrent feeling I had was how distant and clinical everything felt. As I read it was like, ah, so that's what's happened. I had a sense of almost complete indifference, even more so than how the protagonist seemed to feel. I wasn't able to bring myself to care about any of it. I seemed to be able to tell which parts were meant to be emotionally resonant, but they were entirely muted for me.

Maybe the book's spooky ambience and a few scary scenes, which to me weren't really presented that way, again it all felt very mechanical, were enough to delight many readers. For me though it was though everything were just going through the motions and had minimal redeeming value. Once again though, my reactions are an outlier, in their intensity at least.
Rating: 2/5

>>20979318
Authority
Authority was surprisingly far less bothersome. The narrative didn't cause me to have a cascade of negative emotions and I didn't have a cavalcade of concerns about how it was presented. This book shows that the concern isn't only about Area X itself, but what its effect is on the world outside the area. In terms of the setting, this expansion presents a different side of the horrors that are to come. The protagonist is once again only a device to reveal the plot, but I didn't mind it as much. That he is as such was far better integrated into the narrative this time.

As a continuation of the first book, it probably does leave a lot to desired, as it's not like the first at all. This chronologically takes place after the first book, but I don't know that it would make a huge difference to read this one as the first instead. Since then it'd be like, "Oh so, that's what happened to all the characters and what was going on." There have been plenty of prequels like that. I can understand those who believe nothing outside of Area X matters, though I disagree.

The first book is adventure, exploration, mystery, and terrors. This second is being stymied by bureaucracy, navigating office politics, and being continuously undermined at any given moment by everything and everyone. The Shadowy Governmental Organization may only be so because in the shadows no one can see how decrepit it's become. For me this was more a comedy, maybe even a satire or parody, than anything else. The Weird is present, but everyone would prefer not to see it, and mostly manage not to, consciously anyway. It does take a toll on the mind though.
Rating: 3/5

Acceptance
This third book is about how events came to be and the search for answers, if not closure. The answers may not exist, and if they do, they may not be found, and if they are, they may be beyond comprehension. Regardless, there isn't any other option. One can only do as one can.

Much of the narrative takes place before the first book. Much also takes place after the second book. This sort of nonlinear storytelling was required because if were told chronologically the appropriate context wouldn't be available and also because there would be far less mystery. There is far less action than the first book and it doesn't have what I saw as the comedic elements of the second book. There's not much to recommend it aside from continuing to be in the weird atmosphere and better understanding the lives of a few characters.

There may be a fourth book, or even a fifth. The author has indicated as such. As to when they'd be a released, from what I saw the fourth may be released in 2024 or 2025. That is assuming they ever are. It's possible that I'll read them, if only because I wonder how much more of a mess it may become. It's more likely though that I won't care enough and any residual feeling will have dissipated.
Rating: 2/5

>>20979113
Your get to be king, keep the sword of power, and hump the ginger dryad princess

>>20979318
>>20979323
Why not publish your review to someplace where people give a fuck and post a link, dumb tripnigger.

>>20977742
you are missing someone

>>20979262
Any sigs?

>>20979318
I need to reread these books. I really enjoyed reading them, but I don't feel like I fully GOT them. That happens to me a lot; my first time through a book it's like I just skim the surface, and it takes a reread for me to really immerse myself in it.

>Read the Hobbit
>Get to the Troll chapter
>Realize how familiar the Trolls seem to be

Are the Trolls just fantasy evil Norf FC?

>>20979538
>Read the Hobbit
It's fucking boring as fuck
>Read LOTR
It's fucking boring as fuck

Why do angloids constantly shill this shit?

>>20979430
Here's a link:
>>/lit/?task=search2&ghost=&search_tripcode=sffg

I also post them to Goodreads which adds them to activity feed of everyone who is friends with me or follows my account. The group, which is linked in the OP, is set to private to conceal the members. I'm the founder and friends with most in the group, so linking my account would be too revealing of the membership. That's why it says Placeholder Account for moderator.

>>20979617
>warosu
Dead link in 5 years brainlet.

>>20979507
I don't think they are really meant to be understood. To know something is to destroy the allure of its mystery. I think that would harm enjoyment when the entire point is the mystery.

>>20979617
UHHHHHHHHHHHHH
>personal insult
These shitposters aren't looking for a genuine discourse, autist. They don't come here to discuss books that they've read. Stop feeding their behavior, dum-dum
>t. autist

>>20979632
>They don't come here to discuss books that they've read.
Posting reviews is not discussion, again if you can't self-host your reviews on a git server you shouldn't be writing them, as you have a room temperature IQ

>>20979622
That doesn't really matter. As I said, it's also on GR and saved to my computer. May as well say, "why post on 4chan when the site may not exist 5 years from now?". It's just a matter of convience.

>>20979637
>>20979638
Goodreads will pack up shop and sell all their data when it becomes economically viable to do so. The retards that post on that site, yourself included, will be up shits creak. Luckily, nothing of value will be lost.

>>20979638
Christ, it's obvious he's just shitposting and using you to derail the thread, stop being such a retard and don't reply to him.

>autist doesn't stop feeding
sasuga
god i hate this fucking general

>>20979648
>Christ, it's obvious he's just shitposting and using you to derail the thread, stop being such a retard and don't reply to him.

>>20979627
I definitely think the novels have aspects of that. They're weird for the sake of being weird, which is not a bad thing in this case. But I want to reread them anyway to really soak in the weird.

Read more sci-fi and/or fantasy that has shit like pic related.

Which aesthetic of LOTR should I buy? Left or right?

>>20979632
The purpose isn't for the anon I'm replying to specifically. It's just an excuse to post an explanation for everyone else.

>>20979637
I agree, it isn't. I discuss without the tripcode on. Thanks, what you had to say made me smile.

>>20979642
Indeed, nothing will be lost because it's easy to export. Sell to whom? It's owned by Amazon and they don't like to share data with anyone else

>>20979648
Yes, I'm aware, as you ought to be of yourself, which I assume you are, so we have a nice little game going here.

>>20979664
>It's owned by Amazon and they don't like to share data with anyone else
You say this like you are proud. Pathetic.

>>20979664
So you do t care, fine fuck it, might as well not post anything in this thread if you’re just going to keep on feeding the troll like a fucking dumbass.

>>20979657
He has others Weird novels as well and there are other Weird authors. Why not something you haven't read instead?

>>20979661
Angloid cease the shill.

>>20979664
>Yes, I'm aware, as you ought to be of yourself, which I assume you are, so we have a nice little game going here.
What game, I'm literally telling to not reply to a shitposter who seems adamant on ruining this general. But its obvious you don't give a damn, so I won't bother. w

>>20979678
Touch grass.

>>20979673
I enjoy rereading. It's like snuggling up under a weighted blanket. I'm rereading Anathem right now.

>>20979678
Yev is genuinely autistic and likely doesn't understand the social dynamic, as this has occurred many times in the past. Which is as harmful as the shitstirrer, providing a willful audience each time they decide to act up and throw a tantrum.

>>20979678
>>20979693
>NOOOO I can't shill top 100 list novels constantly, the thread is being derailed
(you)

>>20979693
I understand, I just don't care because I'm here for my own amusement.

>>20979613
>Hobbit
>boring
You are right about LOTR, but Hobbit is just nonstop action from start to finish.

>>20979712
If by action you mean a walk through the English countryside (pre reintroduction of wild animals), then sure.

>>>/t/1171330

ULTIMATE COLOSSAL CALIBRE SCIENCE FICTION AND FANTASY COLLECTION THREAD #4

>>20979737
Libgen still exists, you tard. Not going to seed your shit.

>>20979737
piracy is for fags

>>20979737
Not a poorfag, so I’ll just buy my books.

>>20979747
>piracy
Don't release your shit publicly if you don't want people to read it.

Keeps getting hidden by bs, so I'll just post it again.
>Has anything surpassed Eragon? I stopped finishing books because nothing I found ever came close. The only thing that would make it better is if he was fucking his prepubescent dragon. So I guess, does anyone have any recommendations of books like Eragon with small dragon-partner sex scenes

>>20979795
Take the hint, nobody gives a damn about your stupid request.

>>20979798
>I speak for everyone in the thread when I say...
Fuck off retard, nobody gives a shit about your discord club.

>>20979795
>>20979800
He's right >>20979798

>>20977742
Who is the one on the right wearing the Christian Death shirt and denim jacket?

>>20979808
>Yeah reply to that guy and tell him I'm right, oh shit brb I need to groom the kids in the minecraft discord I mod.

>>20979813
An author.

>>20979813
Karl Edward Wagner you fucking brainlet retard learn to use RIS dumbfuck nignog

This thread has just been terrible so far. .

>>20979839
NYPA retard.

>>20977742
political tendencies in their lives or in their books; or both?

>>20979846
Should just be lives, Politics in fantasy makes it shit very easily

>>20979839
>This thread has just been terrible so far.
The last few threads were superb, to the point I thought /sffg/ had a turn around. Should have known better.

>>20979693
>Yev
Who?

>>20979884
Discord troon shit, ignore it.

>>20979737
Have a bump for an invaluable resource.

Why didn't anyone read the final two Dune books?

>>20979894
Why do you keep asking retarded question? No one knows and no one will ever know.

>>20979892
That's not how it works.

>>20979723
>f by action you mean a walk through the English countryside (pre reintroduction of wild animals), then sure.
After they leave the Shire, pretty much every chapter thrusts Bilbo in a new life-threatening situation. You have occasional breathers like arriving at Rivendell, but on the whole, chapters where Bilbo is in mortal peril outnumber those where he is not.

>>20979901
You know he doesn’t care, right?

>>20979901
It's written about as scary as a game of peekaboo
>>20979908
Correct, the hobbit is extremely boring, as is all angloid shit.

Your favorite author will never have people dedicated to researching their works.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tolkien_research

>>20979901
"-oid" is a great indicator that somebody arrived here (to 4chan) around or after 2019 and should be ignored.

>>20979927
Okay, don't know why you're trying to stir up problems.

>>20979927
It's extremely dull and pretty sad honestly to waste your life "researching" this shit.
I've had way more fun reading random webnovels than any angloid trash.
Reminder that Tolkien popularized very few fantasy concepts and created none.

>>20979894
Because somebody did
Which means that it can't be anybody.
Heretics and Chapterhouse are really fun books, but they suffer from needing one or two more books to finish a trilogy or quadrology; like God Emperor finish the Paul Atreides line of questions.
And since B. Herbert and KJ Andersen turned out to be incapable, we just have to suffer.

I bought too many books over a short span of time and am now having trouble deciding which series to start. The Dying earth, Hyperion or Book of the new sun.

>>20979959
I refuse to believe some could buy books, yet are incapable of deciding on their own which to read.

>>20979939
I've never read Tolkien. I wanted the (You)s.

>>20979968
>I've never read Tolien
Good on you, it's a waste of time. Even if he did popularize some shit (very debatable, obviously) Modern authors are thousands of times better and are much more readable.

>>20979884
sffg tripcode, owner of the mega in the op, founder of the goodreads group in the op, and other things.

>>20979979
>Still no Xianxia in the mega
Pozzed.

>>20979956
Are you sure they needed more sequels? I have a feeling Frank wouldn't have written them even if he lived just to spite his fans. I doubt he really wanted to write sequels to the 1st book, but he wanted to make sure people won't venerate Paul.
>>20979959
Read Hyperion first since it's the weakest of the three series. It's not bad, just not as amazing as New Sun or witty as Dying Earth. Earth was destroyed a long time ago during the events of Hyperion. Then move on to the New Sun and finish with Dying Earth.

>>20979986
>More hugo award shilling.
It's like you are actually getting paid to shit up the thread

>>20979985
There's a few books in the gamelit/progression/Isekai chart and maybe the self-published. If someone makes one and I know about it, or someone uploads it, then it'll be there. Feel free to make one yourself.

>>20980007
OK, but Xianxia quality is determined solely by chapter count. The higher, the better. Be warned.

>>20979996
Hugo used to mean something decades ago, but I wasn't even thinking about that while writing my post. You sound paranoid, friend.

>author foreword of my latest book rips on the Hugo, specifically Barnes and Noble
heh

>>20980016
Just scroll through the last 2 threads, every single book won a hugo award or was part of a series that had a hugo award, this is not organic.

>>20979986
>but he wanted to make sure people won't venerate Paul.
I can't fault him for that. But that isn't why he wrote Heretic or Chapterhouse.

>>20979986
>Hyperion
>Pages 482
Is this a book or a pamphlet? I think this isn't even long enough to get to the 5th stage, QI condensation. What could possibly happen in such a small amount of pages.

>>20980028
Maybe you should start shilling Nebula or Clarke books then, so that people can at least hear about them.
>>20980032
Aye. Their meaning is contained in a single quote.
>>20980037
Only half of the story. It's a duology. Two duologies if you count Endymion.

>>20980028
>anons talk about the same few popular books
>The Hugo Award, a popularity contest awards winners to the most popular books at the time
Obviously there's going to be a lot of overlap.

>>20979752
don't steal books if you want writers to keep writing them

Just finished this.
I liked it. Pretty good read even though Mieville runs every sentence through a thesaurus.
8/10

Don't want to jump into the next book straight away, so what are some good weird fantasy books to read next?

>>20979894
Heretics and Chapterhouse are my favorite part of the series.

>>20980059
Dumb Angloid, how can I steal something that was released publicly.

>>20980062
>runs every sentence through a thesaurus.
Instant drop, might as well write your shit in ancient greek if you want to act smart.

>>20980068
it wasn't released publicly. it was sold for a fair price.

>>20980075
To members of the public, who then put the book that they own on the internet.

>>20980074
You sound like an absolute brainlet.

>>20980079
illegally and immorally

Any fantasy/medieval mystery books?
Something like thief(video game) or attack on titan(manga)

>>20980059
>We heckin need the government to create a protected author class, otherwise people just won't write books. Despite all historic and current evidence to the contrary.
Just make your customers sign an NDA and stop with the commie nonsense.
>>20980094
>Heh, I googled the unused word.
Elitists are the biggest retards on the planet.

>>20980119
Most of what Sanderson has written has some level of mystery to be solved.
Most of Pratchett's City watch books are essentially humorous fantasy murder mysteries.

Authors should be paid for writing books, not for selling them. Why should an author's pay depend on a publisher's ability to market and sell a book?
If booksellers want to make money, they should offer a premium experience. In fact, some of them do; this is why public domain books are still sold (including the bible, perennial best-seller).

>>20980126
>Authors should be paid for writing books
Authors should not be paid for writing books as that adds no value to society.
>not for selling them
They should be paid for selling them as it lets people decide the value of their book
>Why should an author's pay depend on a publisher's ability to market and sell a book?
Because the author chose to use that publisher
>If booksellers want to make money, they should offer a premium experience.
No shit. If by premium experience you mean, what the customers want i.e. high quality materials/printing etc.

>>20980126

if the author is dead then i will pirate his book. if he is alive then i will pirate it, if i enjoy it and will read it a second time then i will pay for it. simple as

>>20980122
we don't need to. we already have copyright law. had it since the 16th century.

>>20980126
>Why should an author's pay depend on a publisher's ability to market and sell a book?
First, you would need to look at who owns the publishing houses.

>>20980165
Oooh, I know this one! Is it da joos? It's da joos, right?

>>20980163
>We already have communism, why do we need freedom
ISHYGDDT

>>20980167
Actually, publishing companies seem to be surprisingly unzogged, in terms of ownership.

>>20980171
copyright law, one of the foundations of a market economy, is communism. IS IT OPPOSITE DAY!?

>>20980241
>copyright law, one of the foundations of a market economy
Good joke.

>>20979660
please provide good examples.

>>20979333
I'll take the barefoot ginger gf

Sanderson-sama, I kneel

>>20980493
Why you expected mitosis, cozy and an extinction event, and you got Qanon, 4d chess, KILLING HASSAN PIKER IN REAL LIFE, and cannibalism?

The major problem with this thread is adherence to a dead genre. Cultivation and LitRPG has revolutionized fantasy and chuds like Sanderson and Bakker are still riding around in horse and buggy refusing to modernize.

>>20980493
I love how these are getting really schizo

>>20980557
True aaaaaaaaaaaand... Yeah, that's pretty true. That's true and- yeah that's true. That's true. That's true- That's pretty true. That's pretty true, I mean- inhales ... That's true. Yeah. That's true. Uhm- That's true. That's fuckin' true. Uhm... That's how it is dude.

>>20978415
>LeGuin's trash
>S tier
ror
rumao

>>20980604
Do you not see Tolkiens trash in S and Eragon in D, the list is probably backwards. Eragon had the goat magic system.

Am I the only one who thinks Dark Souls will be to future fantasy authors what LOTR was to previous generations? The game is just so huge.

>>20980608
Yes, because it's literally just a berserk ripoff

>>20980611
Not exactly true. The world of Dark Souls is way more complex. The similarities are largely superficial. Game owes more to old timey jrpgs than anything else.

>>20980617
Tell me you haven't read Berserk without telling me you haven't read Berserk

>>20979959
The Dying Earth easily.
Book of the New Sun is alright but does have a tendency to appeal to people who read more into it than what is there. (and caters to that with it's narration)
Hyperion is imo a waste of time. The only good thing about it is the cover image of the Shrike.

>>20979959
Just read LitRPG/Xianxia webnovels they are way better than books written decades ago by literal whos?

>>20980557
Sanderson is a literal paid shill. He wrote too Novellas for a fucking phone game.

I think people are underestimating the role AI plays in modern reading. I have a script that uses an ML database to remove all woke pandering (minorities, strong women, non-white skin, progressivism etc.)
while keeping the novel's structure sound.

>>20980649
>Author being hired to write for an IP makes him a shill

>>20980666
By definition.

>>20980643
Man you're really seething about webnovels huh.

>>20980689
huh huh huh huh huh fuck you stupid nerd I'll stuff you in a garbage can and throw you in the river.

>>20977742
While 'llI rep my boy Laird Barron any day I have to go with right wing simply because you put Bakker on the left.

>>20980689
He's been spamming this shit, at least in my timezone, since 10 Am. It's 6:30 Pm now. I don't know how someone can just throw away a day like that.

>>20980711
Central Standard Time, possibly Chicago.

>>20980689
>>20980711
Yup, why would I want authors who self censor just to appease woke retards or whatever the fuck the American/Angloid Public think morals are this week.

https://strawpoll.com/polls/xVg7dVX5GZr

New poll. Vote.

>>20980729
No xianxia author's biased and shitty poll. Do you live in a megacity perhaps?

>>20980729
No.

>>20980711
>I don't know how someone can just throw away a day like that.
Just report his spam/low-effort posts, no reason why you should let that shit go uncheck.

>>20980729
Holy fuck there are actually retards voting for Tolkien. Are those the only books you've ever read? Try reading something else baby ducks.
>>20980737
^

>>20980731
I don't know any xianxia authors

>play bideo gam
>normalfags talking about rangs of power
>don't understand how inaccurate headcanon (i.e., black orcs/elves) can be bad
wew lads
>>20980729
Nah. Strawpoll is notoriously easy to rig, and we already have a notorious spamming shitposter who is known to destroy anything it touches.

>>20980740
I know you don't, you should try reading instead of shilling nyt best sellers scholastic edition.
https://www.novelupdates.com/
https://www.scribblehub.com/
https://www.royalroad.com/home
http://9front.org/

>>20980747
Im not a chink. I don't find chink shit appealing. Fuck off.

>>20980755
Yet you only read city dwelling bugman top 50 novels. Curious.

>>20979959
dont listen to this fag >>20980625 Hyperion is also great.

>>20980760
I chose the "other" option. Go ahead and cry about it.

>>20980766
Again (>>20980037) how so?

>>20980769
What are you asking? Why it's good?

>>20980766
>Hyperion is also great.
The book or the full cantos?

>>20980739
Imagine not having read any book published in the last 70 years. That is the average+2sd tolkienfag.

>>20980711
>since 10 Am. It's 6:30 Pm now
Ah, so he has no life.

>>20980777
Hyperion and the Fall of Hyperion. As another anon said earlier, it's either a duology (or two duologies put together, if you count Endymion). Personally I read up to Fall of Hyperion because everyone says Endymion sucks, including a lot of Simmons fans.

>>20980780
Since 1955 to 2022 tolkienfags have still yet to read any other books.

>>20980777
Not him, but I quit before starting Endymion or whatever its called. I sat through the flying ship made from a tree gliding on an ocean of grass, I put up with the computer AI Keats subplot but I called it quits when the big bads what was it again? The Ousters? Anyway, once it turned out that the Ouster attack fleet was just a hologram or some shit and that the real Ousters were just space hippy mutants with butterfly wings and shit I dropped it cold.

Hyperion is so full of stupid shit, Jesus Christ. It becomes insufferable.

>>20980755
this

>>20980789
I'll be the faggot who says the two Endymion books are better, on the whole, than the two Hyperion books. The Rise of Endymion is one of two novels that have ever made me cry.

>>20980822
No they didn't you faggot shill.

>>20980664
Automatically? I don't believe you.

>>20980822
UNDERAGE ZERO-G SEX
QUOTING NEWTON EQUATIONS
NANOMACHINES, SON

>>20980827
>automatically
That's what scripts are for. If you have the dataset, it's no more complicated than
https://twitter.com/vandalibm/status/1569383039892873219

>>20980833
That's standard deep fake. I don't believe how you could edit out "woke" themes from a book automatically.

>>20980464
No

>>20980850
Basically you mark a bunch of novels as progressive I got a thousand from goodreads by looking a feminist and troon rec pages. Then by hand, I marked ~10k sentences that I don't want to read by hand. Then I went through paired them with edited sentences, for example (The man was black, The man was white.)
Then I used gpt-3 database api to build a database and look for similar sentences from the same books to the ones I marked
The ones I marked will have 100% rating and the gpt-3 added ones can range from 70% to 100%, in reality its 70% lower bound to 96% unless it's an exact copy of one of my marked sentences.
It also generates the edited sentences, I generated 90K sentences and checked most of the pairs to see if I liked the changes. After editing 10K more sentences, almost all the generated pairs were satisfactory.
Then I just run the api on the book, it adds the pairs to the database and the script just finds the left sentence and replaces it with the right sentence in the pair in the base txt file of whatever format is being used. txt, pdf, some epubs, djvu, .

>>20980913
yawn bullshit yawn

It's amazing how little book discussion has actually happened this thread.

>>20980920
>Nothing ever happens, I just have to accept woke tyranny because I have no choice. I am powerless to do anything about it.
You are weak. I suggest you read at least 300 chapters of Xianxia a day.

If you want a good Simmons book read Song of Kali. I'll be honest though, it took me my second readthrough to enjoy it.

He does spend a large amount of time on the whole "haha, stinky poopoo... peepee. Garbage, garbage designated shitting street etc.

>>20980945
The Terror is Dan Simmons' best book and I'm tired of pretending it's not.

>>20980928
One fag seems determined to shit up the thread since the morning if one anon is telling the truth.

>>20980928
Over a day and still no discussion replies to my post. I hate myself for frequenting this general and I especially hate how there is nowhere else to discuss books.

>>20980968
Start a discussion, don't cry that no one starts one when all you have done is complain that there isn't one currently

>>20980973
I did, you stupid faggot. I've brought up the book series I've been reading on multiple occasions throughout the past couple of weeks and if I'm lucky, I get one genuine reply.
Every time with you retarded newfags.

>>20980981
Bring it up again, right now.

>>20980729
voted other, for clark smith

>>20980957
Tv show ruined it for me.

>>20981036
Why? I thought the TV show was really good.

>>20980981
I engage when I see comments about books I know, I don't when I see comments about books I don't. Sometimes I get replies when I give my opinions on books, sometimes I don't.

It is what it is bro

>>20980981
People come here to discuss books?

>>20980981
>>20981133
The main problem is that you have shitposters derailing the threads, and idiots who reply to them. The second problem is that maybe no one has read a particular book therefore just ignores posts that bring them up.

>>20981259
I know. It's frustrating. You got an autist earlier who admits he responds to shitposters for his "personal amusement". Just goddamn tired of mid/low-functioning autists and sociopaths destroying every community.

>>20981283
Why are you exempt?

>>20981295
>misquoting this hard

There exist anons who live to complain. If the problems were every fixed they would be very upset and either create new problems to complain about, yes complaining about themselves, or leave to find elsewhere to complain about.

>>20978415
Easy reading, S tier
The Book Of Wonder
Earthsea
Haven’t read either of these.
Are these two books good recommendations?

>>20981306
How dare anons complain about off-topic posting.

>>20981321
This

>>20981321
Complaining only worsens the problem. The only effect it has is to make you feel better about yourself. The reports exist for this. Let's pretend you're a reasonable anon and that by telling you this you don't complain again in the future, thus giving this post a net positive by having reduced bad posting. No further responses will be forthcoming. Please reflect on your behavior. Thank you.

>>20981359
>The reports exist for this.
Problem with this, very few, if any, anos do this.

>>20981359
Ah, a newfag who believes that mods 1) do their jobs adequately and 2) aren't newfags themselves.
sasug
Please reflect on your behavior. Thank you.

>>20981375
Calling everyone a newfag because they disagree with you is idiotic, not to mention counterproductive

>>20981375
They dealt with that Xianxia/anglo spammer. Don't know what you're talking about.

>>20981380
Thinking that mods = gods is prime newfag behavior, yes.

>>20981380
This is something a newfag would say, but as an oldfag I recognize the irony here

>>20981384
>They dealt with that Xianxia/anglo spammer
Sad he got replace by a fag that just spams newfag.

>>20981384
>They dealt with that Xianxia/anglo spammer
I did notice that a few post were deleted, and he suddenly went quiet, just thought he fucked off or something.

>>20981384
Wow! They dealt with one (1) spammer! That definitely cures a decade of idiotic mod behavior. It's okay that they let the *spammer do his thing for going on two fucking years, though. Got me there, newtrash.

>>20981430
Shame they can deal with you or your incessant bitching.

>>20979039
read Children of Hurin.

>>20981434
Is widdo babby newfag upset that someone doesn't tolerate his off-topic newfagism? I bet if you find a mirror, you'll discover somebody who gives a shit :)

>>20981306
>There exist anons who live to complain.
I don't they even care about the thread, with how quickly they just spam newfag at everything and everyone, I just think they're just one of many shitters.

>>20981463
Real mature, anon, really show me how you actually care about /sffg/ and not using this to derail the thread even further.

Are Berserk and Second Apocalypse the only TRUE dark fantasy series?

>>20981506
No, don’t be a fucking retard.

>>20981510
Name one (1)

>>20981506
>Berserk
It's a manga, why the fuck do you keep bringing it up here? Fuck off back to /a/.

>>20981524
Why do you faggots keep bringing chink shit and webnovels here?

>>20981497
You're right, anon. I should shut my mouth, bend over, and gape my anus the SPLIT SECOND a newfag shitposter decides to post ITT about anything other than book discussion.

>>20981513
Kane by Karl Edward Wagner. You should really read more.

>>20981527
Because those are book? And not manga? Are you still hung up by that?

>>20981554
Berserk is more /lit/erature than your chinkshit will ever be, cuck.

>>20981556
Is that why it’s gets laughed at whenever someone posts it on other threads?

>>20981560
Cope

>>20980608
Yes, dark souls and berserk got me into fantasy. I always thought lotr was hokey and lame (until recently) and now I've become very interested in fantasy lit.

>>20981513
Faerie Tale by Raymond Feist
The Sandman by Neil Gaiman

>>20981307
>Are these two books good recommendations?
Earthsea is extremely good and worth reading.

>>20981307
Earthsea is only worth reading as a child.

>>20981595
I do keep hearing good things abou tale Guin.
>>20981600
Yeah, but you could say that about every fantasy book in existence

>>20981606
Back to outerlit with you!

>>20981606
>Yeah, but you could say that about every fantasy book in existence
Ignore him, and read Le Guin if you have the time, she's one of the few genre writers that has any literary merit whatsoever, that much can't be denied.

Ok I finished hate-reading this
Was it better than the first like everyone said? Yes, much. But I still hate books that have stupid class systems like this series does, I hate how everyone quotes latin, military doesn't do that now, why would they do that in the future? It comes off extremely performative. Pretty predictable too.

>>20981619
Does it move away from the hunger games from the first book?

>>20981506
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8zaQ4p2slxo

>>20981634
Yeh it becomes an actual story instead of a single hunger games battle royal but
I still didn't like it that much

>>20981646
Maybe I’ll pick it up later.

>>20981691
I don't recommend it

>>20981700
Meh, I don’t care, it was on my list anyways.

>>20981703
Don't do it

>>20981618
She and Wolfe were friends when they were alive, maybe it’s worth looking into it. Not to mention the acclaim she has.

>>>/x/32861180
thoughts?

>>20979507
It was intentional because the alien is very alien. It's described as light, more like an intelligent technology than a creature. I think what it basically tells you in the story is that the alien was created to preserve the life of the species that made it. So when it comes to Earth, it's trying to preserve the life it finds, but it's operating from its perspective which doesn't necessarily have our comfort in mind, so horrific things happen. And most of the confusing stuff is the author obfuscating straightforward explanations.

>>20981739
Nobody cares about what you post outside of /sffg/. I also think no one even cares what you post here to begin with.

>>20979661
Left 100 percent

>>20981714
>She and Wolfe were friends when they were alive

>>20981743
Thanks.

>>20981534
I've heard Kane recommended as being similar to Conan. Is that true?

Finding sff comfy after a few years of reading almost nothing but literary fiction. Currently enjoying Void Star and Titus Groan. Two very atmospheric novels.

>>20981783
Yes

>>20981747
Thanks for the bump, paranoid psychotic.

>>20981796
Read lord of the rings for max comfiness.

>>20981739
The premise is broadly true, but the examples are dumb and uncreative.

I know this is a fat chance but are there any monster taming novels, sort of like Pokemon or monster rancher
Not "raising baby dragon" shit though

ok, I just finished blindsight by your recommendation.
It was mid.
I think the problem I have with these kinds of books, is that they cover a lot of the same concepts as other sci-fi novels. Like pondering what is consciousness. And turing tests. And the ship of theseus. And so on. This is just that done again.

And also similar to other sci-fi novels, they build up to these alien encounters, promising so much more than they can possibly deliver on. It spends half the book building up to the aliens, and then they're kind of a let down. The second half of the book is analyzing the aliens, and making overt connections between them and the various afflictions the characters have. The whole time, the story is leading you on like something amazing is going to be revealed. The when it gets to the end, it just subverts your expectations with... nothing. "Fuck you, read the sequel", I guess.

There was stuff of significance implied at the end. But whatever the implications were, they flew over my fucking head. And the book wasn't going to explain it. So by the end, I started checking out, as the plot was slipping out of my grasp, and I wasn't certain why events were happening. The stuff the book did bother to explain felt incomplete. Like I was only getting half of the picture.

I would describe this book as a failed orgasm. You edge and edge and build up to something great. Only for it to get ruined around the climax. And it's like, I want to keep going to find some kind of satisfaction, but now I'm angry at the book for denying me the satisfaction.

>>20981848
That's exactly what it is
You've fully understood
It's memed for a reason

>>20981837
I read the trilogy for the first time since childhood in 2016 and The Hobbit a year ago. I've been thinking about the trilogy again or The Silmarillion or Beren and Luthien.

>>20981859
I see.
Well to add: the reason I say it subverts expectations, because the typical narrative would force Siri Keeton into overcoming whatever blocks he had. And then he would turn into a living super computer, and would analyze the aliens in such a way that gave the team the upper hand. But instead the author goes the opposite direction. Forcing Siri into a humanity reboot, resulting him in becoming useless. He couldn't analyze with the same efficiency anymore. He curled up into his emotions. Offering no real solution to anything. He just observed like he was meant to do. Except he was relatively more empathetic now than before? What was the reason for that? So he can be more convincing should he return to earth? I just don't get it. Especially since the book make a big deal about asking what human consciousness was useful for. Why ask such a lofty question, and then offer no answers? Just to leave us hanging? Is it supposed to be profound?

>>20981883
One other thing. A positive thing. It was no Seveneves. God, I still remember the waste of time Seveneves was. At least Blindsight got to the fucking point. There's no fat in the book. And I liked their little rag tag crew. The concept of resurrecting vampires is cool.

>>20981883
>Why ask such a lofty question, and then offer no answers? Just to leave us hanging? Is it supposed to be profound?
Basically, which is why I ignore any genre book that tries to be philosophical, at best, you'll get a basic bitch introduction of the philosophy the author is peddling, at worst, you'll just get an author who only put philosophy in their books to appear smart while only having a superficial understanding.

>>20980802
I really liked the Ousters. They're humans evolved to live in spaceships. They attach cybernetic limbs to their bodies ranging from monkey tails to angelic wings. They go around space with a bunch of ships inlcuding literal space forests! They also speak in a creepy language described as high-pitched Middle English spoken backwards.

>>20981892
>genre book that tries to be philosophical
Never saw the appeal of those books, I just ignore them.

>>20981848
Would you recommend it.

>>20981848
>doesn't like a book because what it does has already been done by other books as well
That's... not really a slight against Blindsight, though.

>>20981987
I mean, sure I guess. If you're new to sci-fi. Or you just can't get enough of these familiar sci-fi concepts. They book is written well enough. It couldn't have let me down, if it didn't build up my expectations first. There is good here.

>>20981997
As the biologist Robert Cunningham would say: It's all about degrees.

>>20981999
Is it hard sci-fi or soft sci-fi? I prefer hard sci-fi.

>>20982011
I don't know the difference. However, everything sounded plausible to me. I never felt like they were just doing space-magic. The depiction of Earth in the future was fairly realistic.

>>20982016
Hard sci-fi is known for its concern for scientific accuracy and logic. An example would be Schild's Ladder by Greg Egan.

>>20982025
>Greg Egan
Good authors, shame he doesn’t get recognition

>>20982027
He's my all-time favorite sci-fi author.

>>20982025
Hard scifi is just adding more references to contemporary scientific hypotheticals to their space magic.

>>20981848
>x idea has been done before
yeah no shit, ideas are fucking everywhere and so cheap people give them out for free
what is important is how well these ideas are executed and fleshed out, not the ideas themselves
blindsight is goat, you got filtered

>>20982025
>Hard sci-fi is known for its concern for scientific accuracy and logic.
ok, but I couldn't tell you what's accurate, because I'm not a rocket scientist. I don't know what traveling space actually entails. I can only tell you that to me, a lot of the projections of future technology sounded plausible.
-Gene manipulation to fix health issues with kids. As common as getting a booster shot. If you didn't get them, then you're a weirdo.
-Manipulation of the brain to assist in therapy. Altering ones emotional state, or simply changing their preferences in things.
-VR to help people escape the real world. A simulated world so rich, that people can live any way they want.
-Population decline, as simulated partners make real partners less a priority.

But I couldn't tell you if putting people into a dehydrated cryogentic sleep is effective for long distant travel through space. Sounds good enough to me though.
Also, vampires are real. But he explains it with a bunch of technobabble. Something about long lost species that interbred with humans. And then recent discoveries made it possible to recreate vampires from the human genome. It was enough for me to suspend disbelief.

Honestly: the book had a lot in common with the game 999. Are you guys familiar with that game? 9 hours, 9 persons, 9 doors. The scenario is similar, the topics are similar. They even talk about the ship of Theseus and the Chinese room in 999. 999 was more thrilling though.

>>20982059
Most hard sci-fi are written by mathematician, and people written by the space scientific community.

>Xeelee Sequence #4: Ring
Is this faggot Baxter trying to tie up the first book into the ending now? I'm really getting sick of his writing, the story structure is repetitive, the characters are all the same, and the plot is contrived.
I did like some parts though, cool concepts as always and some cool images. I imagine every time it mentions the Xeelee there's some kind of title drop and fade to black with a strange noise, like I imagined with Shakara in it's comic.
Anyway, still another 60 pages to go, and still no charged black hole like I was promised. Maybe it'll be in one of the side stories.

New thread
>>20982423

>>20981506