/lit/ - Literature

>>20957545
Cioran is so fucking cringe. I can't think of any other writer who tries as hard to be edgy as he does.

>>20957545
that might be the dumbest thing i've ever read
pure black african nations rape an obscene amount. i guess they're having a golden age

>>20957644
It’s working for the Muslims.

I don't know.

>>20957644
Apples and oranges. But Cioran is dumb because sexual violence is still a massive epidemic in our society, if you Believe Woman, which I of course do.

>>20957744
based, take this gold kind stranger

>>20957545

I am also reading through Short History of Decay, anon, almost at the same pace you are. Taking my time, savoring the remarks.

Certain of the items and passages in it are clearly adapted from either Heights (of despair) but particularly Tears and Saints. Basically Cioran realizes that he can repeat or re-work the same ideas for his new French audience without embarassment. In All Gall is Divided, even two of my favorite bits (about astronomers who give no fucks about "leaving their mark" in history and just waiting to die in a grave) were previously from Tears and Saints.

The most gratifying thing thus far overall is the explicit anti-Christianity. He tempers it a bit in places, but the best parts are when he goes full edgy teenager.

>>20957545
based y'know

>>20957744
I was the target of a rape accusation. No thanks

Is that the guy from Eraserhead

>>20957880
No that's Lynch himself

>>20957871
Did you do it

>>20957885
Yes.

>>20957986
Based

>>20957545
when people say gay shit like this it encourages my inner redditor to yell out SOURCE?!

motherfuckers will just say anything and face no consequences for their caterwauling.

>>20958013

It's definitely true of America.

>>20958013
>Only the organic and existential thinker is capable of this kind of seriousness, because truth for him is alive, born from inner agony and organic disorder rather than useless speculation. Out of the shadow of the abstract man, who thinks for the pleasure of thinking, emerges the organic man, who thinks because of a vital imbalance, and who is beyond science and art. I like thought which preserves a whiff of flesh and blood, and I prefer a thousand times an idea rising from sexual tension or nervous depression to an empty abstraction. Haven't people learned yet that the time of superficial intellectual games is over, that agony is infinitely more important than syllogism, that a cry of despair is more revealing than the most subtle thought, and that tears always have deeper roots than smiles? Why don't we want to acknowledge the exclusive value of live truths, of truths born in us and revealing a reality proper only to us?
That’s my source.

>>20958048
>dude you don't get it i'm like, above the discourse and the reason i'm advocating rape is because i'm honest with myself and reality and this comes from a place of neurosis and not something gay like cold academia

okay whatever that's still stupid for plenty of gay reasons but the bigger point is the redditors are right and i prefer the naive rationalism of STEMcels which produces iPhones and dialysis machines over some continental philosopher faggots justifying rape with sophistry.

>>20958091
You write like a low test s oyboy fag.

>>20958136
good. i will be s*y if it means my enemy, the eternal french pedophile philosopher archetype, is vanquished. in the end, the anglo STEM autism which demands proof is a greater good than shit like cioran. you don't get to choose your family, as they say.

>>20958147
Actually based.

>>20958147
Choke on the plastic, anglo tranny. French bulls will inherit the Earth.

>>20957545
>EE
>considers rape an essential part of human existence
Seems about right. When are we going to build a wall in the middle of Europe to keep these barbarians outside the gates?

>>20958048
>feels over reals
No thanks
>>20958459
Hate that I laughed at this.
>>20957545
Not lit and insanely stupid for a myriad of reasons.

>a nation which no longer rapes

find one you dumb faggot, in the history of mankind or even in this very instant

>no i meant metaph-

*blasts you in the forehead with a Beeman Marksman Laserhawk slingshot ending your life*

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>>20958575
He is parroting Nietzsche, nothing much. If you think that he is endorsing rape then improve your reading comprehension.

>They return to the innocent conscience of the wild beast, as exultant monsters, who perhaps go away having committed a hideous succession of murder, arson, rape and torture, in a mood of bravado and spiritual equilibrium as though they had simply played a student’s prank, [...] At the centre of all these noble races [...] the beast must out again, must return to the wild. It was the noble races which left the concept of ‘barbarian’ in their traces wherever they went; even their highest culture betrays the fact that they were conscious of this and indeed proud of it

Genealogy of Morality

>>20958587
>If you think that he is endorsing rape then improve your reading comprehension.

if you think that is the point of why people don't like his rape apologetics in this thread then improve your reading comprehension

>>20958604
That's a diagnosis rather than endorsement. Are you American by any chance?

>>20957545
sweden must be the least decadent country then

>>20957744
Edit: Thanks for the gold kind stranger

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>>20957545
you tell me
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vTIIMJ9tUc8

>>20957562
>writing about rape is edgy
Non lol.

>>20957545
The seethe shows he hits the mark.

So we need more rape? Cioran barely even had sex except that one chick.

I'd argue a culture which produces philosophers like Emil is one in serious cultural decline

>>20958800
No shit he's talking about the decline constantly

>>20957644
dumb retard learn to read

>>20958804
Imma read him then

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>>20958575
theres rape as exception and rape as a rule, theres "rape" like fucking a heavily intoxicated chick and theres rape like holding the raped ones family at gunpoint while you desecrate the raped, or irrecersible try subway rape, culture of gang rape etc. Are you really going to say that europeans are as represented in the latter category as russians, arabs and blacks, in the current era? In Talibans afghanistan, basically everyone rapes, basically everyone is misogynist etc.

He doesnt bother to express this in detail because if you made provisiond for everuthing the book would be stylistically bad but this is what he means. Black people rise in all european statistics, hence theyre more vital.

>>20958955
>tl;dr ON A LARGE SCALE
is the key word

>>20958800
He was literally a fascist monster in his youth. Which he regretted called it the blind idealism if his youth.

>A millennium of warfare consolidated the West; a century of “psychology” has ripped it to tatters.

Cioran, All Gall is Divided

>>20957545
sounds mighty gay desu

>>20957545
what if he was raped

>>20959109
he’d say “thanks for the gold kind stranger”

What the fuck does this even mean

>>20959401
sad edgelord wants to make a splash. it means: “I am offensive”

>>20959407
if that would be true, this would be a far more prominent theme in the book in question. instead, it's just one short segment among many.

>>20958048
Based.

>>20959401
The founders of most major city nations were all accused of rape. King David of Israel, Romulus of Rome, and Theseus of Athens were all accused of rape. Rape is something peculiar when you stop talking about bodily integrity and start examining it as a violent forcing of being into the world. Bodily integrity exists but the idea of being molested or hit is nothing compared to a baby conceived from rape because what it is is putting an ideology above life itself. Cioran is fundamentally correct in a pagan way and so he's not totally correct because Christianity knows and would say the number of celibates is the health of the nation. Now let me turn this schizo post up to a ten: consensual extramarital sex does not exist. It's all rape of one another via the knife of sin, but the realest analysis is that rape is actually wrong not because of its acts itself but because of it being outside of marriage. You can, of course, violate and be disgusting to one's wife but if one refuses to divorce and loves their wife, what occurs is something analogous to murder to sacrifice and rape to marriage, whereby the woman no longer is a woman but a being factory, one whose life force is totally given and vulnerable to create and nurture life itself. In the same way men secretly crave for a beliefset to totally fertilize them, women want a man to totally fertilize them. The dominatrix is the inversion of this for men and the feminist enabler for women.

>>20959494
Interesting.

>>20959401
>>20959494
To totally hammer this home: men believe, in the darkness of their souls, that they want to be a hero via power but in the light of their heart they crave martyrdom. For women, they fantasize, pretty much universally, of a type of soft gang rape, but really they crave giving birth to Christ and because they cannot truly do this they are fundamentally bittered and resentful and thus why the final task of a woman is to reoncile the faith in goodness of her womb itself in the abstract. That is, women must believe in the redemability of her offspring and when that happens her womb becomes "unlocked." This is what all fantasies point to, the moment when a man or woman dogmatically submits to a divine doctrine unto death and thereby they submit to the creation of itself. The final fantasy is not to have another mother but to open the gates of heaven and the doors of the womb in one motion. This is the sacred vision for the laity not given celibacy as a grace.

God bless. A blessed feast day of our Immaculate Mother, the Virgin St. Mary, blessings upon her name White as the fire is quenching and the songs are eternal.

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>>20959519
Based.
Anymore thoughts on this?

>>20959532
The motion is an opening. Forgiveness opens your soul to the world because nothing can hurt you anymore as you stand with the singular thought that cures and conquers the world, "I forgive you." And in that motion the need for anything is totally disolved as it is not conquerable to this singular moment of grace. The goal all men have in a wife is a quasi divine and quasi mortal vision, for the pagan, a harem or sex slave is the only thing a wife can or should be, but for the Christian a woman is something pure and nearly sacred in her unsayable dogmatism, which is that she opens up this plane of feeling or birth which can be felt, as if its a golden web or gauze of goodness, and entering into that and creating in that is the urge of Christened before the world. In short, a woman creates the souls named by God and the namer of the worlds and the maker of the former two. The vision is resplendent but only in truly looking into the ideal of the Church as our Mother can motherhood in this world actually be conceptualized and its awesome and beautiful power be endured.

>>20959569
Thanks

>>20959587
Np

>>20957545
india no. 1 country share with friends and family

Ennui of Conquerors
>Paris weighed on Napoleon, by his own admission, like a “leaden garment": for which ten million men were to die. This is the balance sheet of the mal du siède when a René on horseback becomes its agent. Born of the idleness of the eighteenth-century salons, this disease, in the indolence of an over-lucid aristocracy, extended its ravages deep into the countryside: peasants were to pay with their blood for a mode of sensibility alien to their nature and, with them, a whole continent. The exceptional natures in which Ennui insinuated itself, horrified by any one place and obsessed by a perpetual elsewhere, exploited the enthusiasm of the nations only to multiply their graveyards. This condottière who wept over Werther and Ossian, this Obermann who projected his void into space and who, according to Josephine, was capable of no more than a few moments of abandon, had as his unavowed mission to depopulate the earth. The dreaming conqueror is the greatest calamity for men; they are no less eager to idolize him, fascinated as they are by distorted projects, ruinous ideals, unhealthy ambitions. No reasonable being was ever the object of worship, left a name, or marked a single event with his individual stamp. Imperturbable before a precise conception or a transparent idol, the mob is roused by the unverifiable, by false mysteries. Who ever died in the name of rigor? Each generation raises monuments to the executioners of the one which preceded it. It is nonetheless true that the victims were willing enough to be immolated once they believed in glory, in that victory of one man alone, that defeat of all. . . .
Humanity adores only those who cause it to perish. Reigns in which citizens died in their sleep do not figure in history, nor the wise prince, inveterately scorned by his subjects; the crowd loves the fictive, even at its expense, the scandal of behavior constituting the web of human curiosity and the underground current of every event. The unfaithful woman and the cuckold provide comedy and tragedy, even the epic, the quasi-totality of their motifs. Since virtue has neither biography nor charm, from the Iliad to vaudeville, only the luster of dishonor has entertained and intrigued. Hence it is quite natural that humanity should have offered itself up to the conquerors, that it should seek to be trampled underfoot, that a nation without tyrants should never be talked about, that the sum of iniquities a people commits should be the sole index of its presence and of its vitality. A nation which no longer rapes is in its decadence; the number of rapes reveals its instincts, and its future. Find out in which war it has stopped practicing, on a large scale, this variety of crime: you will have found the first symbol of its decline; find out at what moment love has become for a nation a ceremonial, and the bed a condition of orgasm, and you will identify the beginning of its deficiencies and the end of its barbaric inheritance.

>>20959711
>Universal history: history of Evil. Take away the disasters from human evolution and you might as well conceive of nature without seasons. If you have not contributed to a catastrophe, you will vanish without a trace. We interest others by the misfortune we spread around us. “I never made anyone suffer!"—an exclamation forever alien to a creature of flesh and blood. When we feel enthusiasm for a character of the past, or the present, we unconsciously ask ourselves: “For how many people was he the cause of disaster?” Who knows if each of us doesn’t aspire to the privilege of killing all his kind? But this privilege is assigned to very few, and never integrally: this restriction alone explains why the earth is still inhabited. Indirect murderers, we constitute an inert mass, a multitude of objects confronting Time’s true subjects, the great criminals who came to something.
But we can take comfort: our descendants, remote or immediate, will avenge us. For it is not difficult to imagine the moment when men will cut each other’s throats out of disgust with themselves, when Ennui will get the best of their prejudices and their diffidences, when they will run out into the street to slake their thirst for blood, and when the destructive dream prolonged for so many generations will become the universal reality. . . .

Cioran, A Short History of Decay

Whole essay for the context

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>>20957545
All opinions on his writing aside, I've always found his hairdo in this picture great. Too bad I'm too bald to get one myself.

I read on the Heights of Despair and loved it because of it's explosive energy and it's anger, it isn't a philosophy book, it's more like poetry. He doesn't bother backing up his claims, he only puts his thoughts into words and he contradicts himself constantly and obviously doesn't care. Then I tried reading Short History of Decay and while I found a lot of the writing very interesting, it was a real bummer going from the youthful rage of Heights of Despair to the overly academic writing of Decay in which he is constantly referring classical literature for no clear reason other than just seeming literate.

>>20960346
thanks

>>20960412
Felt this too, although I still thought Cioran was a great writer in both.

>>20957644
>pure black african nations rape an obscene amount. i guess they're having a golden age
Yeah. Compare their birthrates to Europeans; Europeans are fucked; decadent scum.

>>20958091
Why does rape need any justification?

>>20960730
dilate

>>20959109
He has a rape fantasy

>>20958976
>fascist monster

>>20957545
Why was he so based?

>>20957562
>Cioran is so fucking cringe.
fpbp

>>20961467
>Why was he so based?
Romanians are undersocialized and high in machiavellianism and when the smartest 95th percentile of them are able to resist their genetic imperative of stealing catalytic converters, they can produce valuable ideas because they're not afraid of being rude to women

>>20961542
Kek

>>20958703
I really appreciate your edits, I get, like, fantom like syndrome by reading it edit by edit like I was the one there getting all those likes and it makes me feel really good. thank you friend.

>>20958048
Goddamn I love this man. Ecclesiastes ended philosophy, but Cioran got the pleasure of shitting on its grave.

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>>20959519
What zero pussy does to a mf

>itt: rape is reddit

>>20963093
Are you a woman by chance?

>>20963622
Nah
Just dabbing on guys that literally went schizophrenic sue to their lack of getting pussy

>>20963627
huh weird - I have a wife and was a sex addict

>>20963645
One form of mental illness traded for another
All the same to me

>>20963650
>mental illness
Being insulted by someone who believes in the mass applicability of pyschology is actually a compliment.

>>20963704
>x is actually y because I don't like it

>>20963707
Do you actually really think I dislike pyschology as a field for my dislike of it?

>>20958587
He's indeed not endorsing rape, which is why he's a pathetic dumb little cunt. Never write provocatively what could be phrased *accurately*.

>>20959721
Lol I like this sadfuck although I think he's looking at a truth from the wrong angle

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>>20963627
How's 10th grade going, Tyler?

>>20959494
>Christianity knows and would say the number of celibates is the health of the nation
But they breed third worlders like they're playing Monster Rancher

>>20964079
>He's indeed not endorsing rape,
Where? Read this >>20959711 essay for context

>>20964164
Faggot

>>20958703
Still one of the best pastas

>>20964263
>But they breed third worlders like they're playing Monster Rancher
They just donate food and then population grows to demand it. I'm cautiously optimistic about Africa - it looks like India about 100 years ago.

>>20958048
Based

>>20957545
What do you think the Hecking Based Ciorino would have to say about the long lost, forbidden rite of Saying the N-Word in Public?

>>20965544
I’m not sure what he thought about niggers, but given that he was an aesthete with fascistic tendencies he probably would have supported it.

>>20957670
correlation does not imply causation.

>>20965620
lol thanks man, I think you're probably right. Also, I'm confused because the older I get the more I associate aesthetes and aesthetics with right-leaning ideology, but are there left-leaning aesthetes? Or is the realm of aesthetics basically conservative?

>>20965659
to elaborate, the thought I have is that "The Left" generally tend to use aesthetics as a means to enforce and propagate their ideology, so often times their work is said to be "meaningful" or "full of commentary" or "critical" , whereas "The Right" are basically trying to make the world itself aesthetic, and their ideology serves their purpose of making the world "beautiful" or "more perfect", which I guess is basically just the meme of feels over reals. I think there's a lot of truth to that meme though. Am I completely misunderstanding aesthetics and how it connects to ideology though?

>>20959519
>men believe, in the darkness of their souls, that they want to be a hero via power but in the light of their heart they crave martyrdom. For women, they fantasize, pretty much universally, of a type of soft gang rape, but really they crave giving birth to Christ and because they cannot truly do this they are fundamentally bittered and resentful and thus why the final task of a woman is to reoncile the faith in goodness of her womb itself in the abstract.
Nice.

>>20961542
>when the smartest 95th percentile of them are able to resist their genetic imperative of stealing catalytic converters
Fucking lost

>>20965659
>are there left-leaning aesthetes
Yes, sadly they are the majority in modern art.
>>20965684
I think it can go both ways. Marxists, for instance, will cite capitalism as having a degenerative force on art due to its focus on profit over aesthetics. This is also why capitalist countries tend to destroy culture and race: their interest is in quantity rather than quality. However, communist ideology itself is hyper-quantitative because of its preoccupation with economic modes of production rather than organic aestheticism. The fascist, on the other hand, is fundamentally an aesthete in that he treats his people as a clay ready to be shaped into a mighty statue no matter the cost.

>>20958587
> If you think that he is endorsing rape then improve your reading comprehension
«A nation which no longer rapes is in its decadence»

>>20965924
The fascist, on the other hand, is fundamentally an aesthete in that he treats his people as a clay ready to be shaped into a mighty statue no matter the cost.

But, my friend, a statue is fundamentally inert, and only takes on life in the eye of the beholder, it has no real action, no real meaning. We can look at it from our vantage point in the future and observe it in its act of storming a beach or lifting a boulder with idealized, fully-flexed shoulders, but all of that was in the past, done and finished, and what we see is only that act perpetually frozen in time, devoid of all vigor. Also, Junger wasn't a fascist.

>>20966145
shit, my bad I meant to greentext what you said:
>The fascist, on the other hand, is fundamentally an aesthete in that he treats his people as a clay ready to be shaped into a mighty statue no matter the cost.

>>20966145
>no real action, no real meaning
I would argue that there is no such thing. There is only action and meaning as they are for me, and I apply my own values to things according to my taste.

Let's rebuild western civilization guys!
>https://youtu.be/Ij1ZLvbcpCI

>>20964762
In the US slaves were more like hobby pets, but anyway you are delusional unto insanity.

>>20966074
>«A nation which no longer rapes is in its decadence»
And? Where he is saying that a nation should start raping? Nietzsche said that here >>20958587and he said it explicitly

>>20957562
Fpbp

>>20958587
>HURR, HE IS PARROTING NIETZSCHE
>in a god damn line referencing the nation state
>because Nietzsche was all about the nation state
Dedicate yourself to the western canon, return when you have read at least 500 books.

>>20967828
Oh you retarded faggot

>"Exactly the opposite is true of the noble one who conceives the basic idea ‘good’ by himself, in advance and spontaneously, and only then creates a notion of ‘bad’! This ‘bad’ of noble origin and that ‘evil’ from the cauldron of unassuaged hatred – the first is an afterthought, an aside, a complementary colour, whilst the other is the original, the beginning, the actual deed in the conception of slave morality – how different are the two words ‘bad’ and ‘evil’, although both seem to be the opposite for the same concept, ‘good’! But it is not the same concept ‘good’; on the contrary, one should ask who is actually evil in the sense of the morality of ressentiment. The stern reply is: precisely the ‘good’ person of the other morality, the noble, powerful, dominating one, but re-touched, re-interpreted and reviewed through the poisonous eye of ressentiment. Here there is one point we would be the last to deny: anyone who came to know these ‘good ones’ as enemies came to know nothing but ‘evil enemies’, and the same people who are so strongly held in check by custom, respect, habit, gratitude and even more through spying on one another and through peer-group jealousy, who, on the other hand, behave towards one another by showing such resourcefulness in consideration, self-control, delicacy, loyalty, pride and friendship, – they are not much better than uncaged beasts of prey in the world outside where the strange, the foreign, begin. There they enjoy freedom from every social constraint, in the wilderness they compensate for the tension which is caused by being closed in and fenced in by the peace of the community for so long, they return to the innocent conscience of the wild beast, as exultant monsters, who perhaps go away having committed a hideous succession of murder, arson, rape and torture, in a mood of bravado and spiritual equilibrium as though they had simply played a student’s prank, convinced that poets will now have something to sing about and celebrate for quite some time. At the centre of all these noble races we cannot fail to see the beast of prey, the magnificent blond beast avidly prowling round for spoil and victory; this hidden centre needs release from time to time, the beast must out again, must return to the wild: – Roman, Arabian, Germanic, Japanese nobility, Homeric heroes, Scandinavian Vikings – in this requirement they are all alike. It was the noble races which left the concept of ‘barbarian’ in their traces wherever they went; even their highest culture betrays the fact that they were conscious of this and indeed proud of it"

(from "Nietzsche: On the Genealogy of Morality and Other Writings: 'On the Genealogy of Morality' and Other Writings (Cambridge Texts in the History of Political Thought)" by Friedrich Nietzsche, Keith Ansell-Pearson, Carol Diethe)