/lit/ - Literature

>>20951021
Because the roles became reversed, tool became master and man became tool.
Obsession with techne leads to the death of SOVL

>>20951021
Lmao, what a thread

>>20951021
because he was too stupid to use it /thread

>>20951021
It’s ruined us. It’s in all the books.

>>20951021
Because he realized early on that technique would become the dominant milieu of the modern era. Here's an early article that summarizes his views on technique.
https://ellul.org/wp-content/uploads/2015/08/Elluls-1962-Article1.pdf

>>20951301
nice share anon, thanks.

any chance you know the original title in french? cant find it...

>>20951021
He's a dog, that's why. Domesticated and castrated. Technique benefits the wild man.

>>20951301
>>20952036
Don't read it, he's a castrated dog going on about morals, trying to castrate others.

>>20951021
Stop spamming this seething propagandized machine

>>20951021
>why did he hate technique so much?
It makes humans stupid. Now in the age of technical society, people see all problems they have as technical problems that can be solved by some technology. This is how absurd humans have become.

>>20952036
I think it was sent directly to the translator who was also translating Technological Society. and later published in the magazine. It was for the Encyclopaedia Britannica Conference on the Technological Order, 1962.

>>20954179
yeah, I saw that on the site. Thanks anyway again for the share, this woke in me the interest i had in his work.

Bump because he is worth reading.

Heres an intreview:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=01H5-s0bS-I

>>20952182
propagandized is defined as to "promote or publicize a particular cause, organization, or view, especially in a biased or misleading way," and to that respect, I share your sentiment.

>>20951021
dumb boomer malding cus the he cant grasp the maccies self service kiosks

Have here a couple of introductory books

https://archive.org/details/introducingjacqu0000unse/

http://library.lol/main/352A1C6BBCE459842DC04AF030908629

>>20951021
Think about it. Technique ruined fiction. Now every movie and every tv show is a soulless crashgrab shitted out by an algorithm to tick all the boxes on a list and grab as many eyeballs as possible.

>>20954258
the entertainment industry was made for women and women do not care about quality
SIMPLE AS

this has nothing to with power. Atheists are retarded to tie everything to fucking power.

>>20952133
I'll read it just to spite you. There's nothing wrong with someone being morally sound.

>>20951021
I thought that was Monsieur Hire for a second.

ELLUL

>>20951021
Who?

>>20951062
That's so dumb. The point of technique is that it, unlike the tool of old, doesn't require a master. You cannot "use" technique, it uses you.

>>20951055
fpbp

technique =/= technology

>>20951055
>>20952636
>>20957367
Sounds based, I should read him.

>>20958401
technology is the word used by normies, but technique should be really used

>>20951021
Wagner's critique of Mode (fashion) and the mechanical in his prose works and Der Ring des Nibelungen significantly precede 20th century criticisms of Technik. And is, contrary to what many say, not a 'merely' 19th century investigation of the subject.

WARNING: Ellul mixes his description of technique with his moralizing judgements about it.

His work is of course not useless because the first task is an important necessity for all industrial societies, but the second one is dangerous because some people might take those judgments for facts, embracing them uncritically almost as a religion, which can lead them into extremist actions based on judgements they dont even understand or see as such.

If you want to moralize about technique fine, that is something you can do for yourself and with those who share that tendency, but dont confuse that with the need to understand how technical development radically changes how human groups organize socially and relate to their immediate environments.

If you read this guy try to keep in mind a distinction he himself made of his works, dividing them into sociological and theological ones.

To give some perspective, you could compare his work on Technological Society with Polanyi's The Great Transformation, not so much in the arguments but in the questions and distinctions they make.


Just try to be critical about what you read and dont think that just because an idea is printed or widely recognized it is a statement of fact.

>>20958558
two different concepts
t. Spengler, On Technique.

>>20954225
>Born January 6, 1912
Do you know what a boomer is, zoomer?

>>20958401
this.

It is not the first time that bad translations confuse english readers of french authors.

>>20952109
>>20952133
>Grug, get the headsmashing-rock, that's the guy over there!!
>Heh, inferior coping grugcel would never smash my superior head in with a rock. He will surely see the ligh-ACK!

>>20951021
Explain?

>>20961500
check the thread.

>>20959821
no that's atheist's mental gymnastic. technique is the historical word. Technology, especially in french is just the usual anglicized word pushed by merchants and their bureaucrats and their academics.

https://books.google.com/ngrams/graph?content=technique%2C+technology&year_start=1800&year_end=2019&corpus=en-2019&smoothing=3

https://books.google.com/ngrams/graph?content=technique%2Ctechnologie&year_start=1800&year_end=2019&corpus=fr-2019&smoothing=3

>>20951301
>>Because he realized early on that technique would become the dominant milieu of the modern era. Here's an early article that summarizes his views on technique.
that's pretty shallow. The whole bourgeois revolutions were based on modernizing techniques. And nowadays, since science stagnates a lot, technology is stale too and now the bureaucrats can't flood the plebeans with cheap goods deeply enhancing their lives so they start wondering if democracy is not in danger lol