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It's heresy and jewish psyop

>>20935419
The truth is always controversial.

>>20935419
Read Aleister Crowley, GRS Mead, and Harold Bloom to differentiate between the pseuds and the anointed. I won't tell you which one is right.
But, to answer your question, it is the pneumatics and hylics who seethe at knowledge.

Because there's no such thing as 'Gnosticism.' It's a reconstructed religious tradition in the same way that paganism is.

>>20935624
It's not a religious tradition.

>>20935419
Are marxists gnostics?

>>20935644
If you ask Sloterdijk, yes. Marx just economizes alienation.

>>20935644
No, they are materialists, so they're inherently hylic.

>>20935644
No. Jungians are

>>20935645
It was just a passing thought but maybe there's something to it. Might have to go up or downstream of Marx himself. There's some elements of gnosticism in their materialist philosophy.
>>20935654
I think that's a fair assessment, they do have this weird gnostic obsession with the self and where Man has come from and a pseudo-religion where Man is God but can only realize this through an unexplainable Hegelian praxis to become Socialist Man/God. But I doubt many of the Marxists you could meet in 2022 ever think beyond the "please pay for me" part.

>>20935645
have you read his work on gnosticism?

>>20935687
After God? Yes. The actual book on it has yet to be translated.

>>20935682
>It was just a passing thought but maybe there's something to it.
There is. Like how Adorno, too, is minimally gnostic.

>>20935419
literally troon vegans

btw what's Bloom's take on this, did anybody read his out of print masterpiece?

>what if, the ""God"" in the old testament was actually a fucking retard
Yeah I can't see how that'd be offensive to anyone desu

>>20935699
Bloom was a gnosticboo. Dude wrote an unofficial sequel to Voyage to Arcturus for god's sake.

What's the deal with that picture, am I the lamb

>>20935690
What does he say in it? Do you consider him a gnostic?

>>20935736
Represents a lot of things, but to me it represents the rape of the light (Manichaeism)/the rape of Sophia (Sethianism)

>>20935419
It's counter-initiation and affirms evil. Vulgar occultists have corrupted genuine esotericism by enmeshment with gnosticism. From the perspective of neoplatonism, Plotinus refuted the gnostics but modern masons and others will equate the two. This is a deception.
tldr; gnosticism is /x/ tier

>>20935419
They hate their physical bodies. It was the gender dysphoria of the first millenium.

>>20935474
its mead isnt it?

Gnosticism hurts the feelings of authoritarian church slaves

>>20935632
Right.

>>20935796
I dare you to stop thinking about trannies for one full minute.

>>20935796
Gnosticism is more appropriately an ontological dysphoria. Gender dysphoria is ontic

>>20935419
ooo snap, I just did a sortes notepad.txt and posted about this, >>20936331

>>20935419
1) Is 'gnosis' really what the later christurd jews claimed it was? According to Irenaus, who made a Trumpism of being against 'gnosis', these were just normal Romans who didn't think Christians or Jews should be killed and who had tolerated them up until that point. They explain why 'doing good in the world' is more important than dying for some made-up god or made-up stories.

i.e., they were
>>20935654
>materialists


But ... probably they were queered in their brains as well as doubtlessly they were into Plato, as...

2) ....then again, Plotinus was around before Irenaus and mock the christian gnostics for inventing a god outside of reality; so perhaps the people Irenaus hated were worse than I described above.

3) 'knowing' is the scientific method of cause and proof; it's not magic unless you're a stupid person watching a doctor to doctor things and have a credulous and skittish disposition.

>>20935427
>>20935468
whereas these are the propaganda dichotomies.

>>20935474
>leister Crowley
also inspired by the propaganda dichotomies.


now let's consider how we can prove knowledge of a thing true or false; in material science, and let's consider a person or group who makes a custom out of nihilism towards material reality and turning sloth into a virtue.

"this slothfulness they demand be called 'the most noble worship'"
The Emperor

>>20935796
>>20935866
>der transvestischers
there is this, but the christians were also hateful of gender; women and mens bodies and advocated castration for themselves (emulating or carrying on the tradition of the priesthood of cybele) as a shortcut to purity.

Both were cracked in the noggin. And it's funny how crazy authoritarian cults always originate from hatred of ones own genitalia.

>>20935778
I don't see no red rockets going up that lamb's asshole. You could go on fur-affinity to get a much more accurate picture of what you describe IMO.

>>20936657
but they're eating the lambs butt and the lamb is giggling in delight, it's actually the literal hell where you're gay and into it.

from the chrustain perspective, i mean.

>>20935419
The Catholic menace defamed and demonized it.

>>20936671
>the lamb is giggling in delight,
Get your eyes checked.

>>20936689
my point stands. pun intended.

>>20935792
>It's counter-initiation and affirms evil
But what's wrong with it?

>>20936712
>sexualizing/trivializing the rape of the light
Many such cases.

>>20935419
The problem with Gnosticism is that it implies a dualism which is difficult to defend as metaphysically parsimonious. Therefore it is found as problematic by more or less the entire Western metaphysical tradition which has been about explicating the ultimate first principle that underlies reality. Basically, why two opposing fundamental principles of good/evil and/or matter/spirit? Why does two not collapse into one? Read Plotinus' Against the Gnostics on this point.

>>20935427
That's why people differentiate between OG Gnosticism like Marcionism and the latter heresies, since Marcionism goal was to separate Judaism from the Christian tradition if it killed him

>>20936916
Otto Weininger proposed gender dualism in regards to the material/mind-ideas distinction

>>20936916
Can big exist in a universe without small?

>>20936929
>OG Gnosticism like Marcionism
the irony is there would be no 'bible' without Marcion ... but Marcion wasn't a 'gnostic' but a Jew in the mold of Paul who'd recognized Pauls disgust at Judaism and Jesus representing it, but both still refused to throw off the Jewish theology.

>>20937008
Sure. The question is by what principle "big" and "small" are sustained. If you say by two separate principles, that begs explanation.

>>20936916
>Read Plotinus' Against the Gnostics on this point.

you got filtered, monist

>>20935419
>Why is gnosticism so controversial?
The truth is always controversial.

>>20937432
No, it doesn't, if the third between them is just a receptacle, chora, principle of containment or mixture. Not a unity into which both melt.

>>20936478
I will snap your scrawny pencil neck with one hand if you write like this again.

>>20936676
Because you are demonic.

>>20938774
How is gnosticism demonic?

>>20938784
Encourages partaking in magic, denies immanence.

>>20938989
And christianity affirms immanence?

>>20938989
Gnosis is a radically immanent experience. The Book of Jeu is the only explicitly magical gnostic text.

>>20935699
I dunno I follow Marcion and like big titty bitches and eat red meat. Sorry you had that experience

>>20938993
Yes, it's one of the defining aspects of the entire religion. God's creation is beautiful, but humans sully it, whereas a Gnostic view would hold humans are intrinsically good (holding the divine spark of the Monad within them) and the World is evil. The major difference between Satan and the Demiurge is that we choose to let Satan inside of us while the Demiurge holds sole responsibility for all of our suffering.

>>20939002
Our organs signify that the demons are already inside us, since they are borrowed from planetary stocks. The substance of the cosmos is evil, but its organization is not (in Manichaeism). Humans are intrinsically damned in Marcionism. You're shadowboxing the most Christianized schools of Gnosticism, ironically. Read more.

>>20935419
52 posts in and no one has said the answer so I'll say it:

Gnosticism essentially arose from people being perplexed by the God of the Old Testament (indifferent, wrathful) being so incredibly different than the God of the New Testament (unconditional forgiveness and love) and so some lay-literary/lay-philosophers came up with a lot of meta-textual explanations for why the "God of the material world" (i.e. Old Testament God) gave way to the "God of the spiritual world" (i.e. New Testament God).

Long story short, during the time of Gnosticism's rise, religion and law were one and the same and Gnosticism was seen as a sort of loop-hole for people to try and justify not following various laws (e.g. taxes and other sex cult stuff) under the premise they "connected hidden truths that weren't in the bible" and thus knew more about God than the executives in power.

They failed.

>>20939002
I thought you were referring to God being immanent to/in the world.

>>20938999
>Gnosis
Gnosis =/= Gnosticism.
>The Book of Jeu is the only explicitly magical gnostic text.
All Gnosticism is magical in the sense there's an artificial distinction between magic and miracles.
>>20939014
>Our organs signify that the demons are already inside us, since they are borrowed from planetary stocks.
Imagine even writing this bullshit at all.
>The substance of the cosmos is evil, but its organization is not (in Manichaeism).
The world existing to a stage a never-ending war between light and dark is just as much of a tacit admission to the idea that nature exists as an elaborate torture device all Gnostics subscribe to.
>Humans are intrinsically damned in Marcionism.
This is true, but Marcionism does tie into my other point very well. If I could back and change my post I would have probably wrote that mankind in Gnosticism is simply the unfortunate victims of an either foolish, destructive, legalistic, or even malevolent God.

>>20935624
That may be the case for some New Age types but people actually interested in the Gnostic worldview are interpreting the Christian Tradition rather than reconstructing a new one.

>>20939142
That's odd because most online Gnostics I encounter are radically monistic misotheists who deny the exist of any other than the one tyrannical one who created material existence

>>20935654
Materialism is the only non pseud answer

>>20939186
>Gnostics
>radically monistic misotheists who deny the exist of any other than the one tyrannical one who created material existence
How?

>>20935419
That image is funny when you consider that the poor defenceless lamb will have the last laugh and torture the wolves for ever and ever and ever
From the first moment of their damnation the teeth of the supernatural flames will tear into their flesh in a more horrible way than their wolf teeth ever could
The wolves will be transformed, pathetic, humiliated and incredulous as they whimper and cry from the suffering that they feel and surely must know will continue forever
Wolves crawled up into balls, trying to hide their eyes from the furnace but the flames go through their body and yet burn it nonetheless
Burning gibbering wolves and the triumphant Lamb in Heaven, howling and screams forevermore

>>20939319
cringe

>>20939319
It's ironic isn't it? That those who use their power over the weak in this realm will be utterly annihilated in the world to come. The Almighty LORD will spare neither age, sex, or condition, and will leave these wretched wolves to hang, burn, waste, boil, flay, strangle or have them buried alive, left at the hands of the Head of the Angelic rebel, whom was first thrust to that adamantine jail. That wicked fiend will rip up the stomachs and wombs of the women, and crush their infants’ heads against the walls. Or if the hellish canines are unsuitably fortunate, he will secretly use the poisonous cup, the strangulating cords, the steel of blade, or bullets, regardless of his agents honour, rank, dignity, or authority of the persons, as their reward for not completing their demonically-willed task. Beelzebub, the next in line, and loyal agent of Satan to whom he has dedicated his soul and corporeal powers, will thus cut off their hands and feet, and throat from ear to ear, have their bellies be opened, and sulphur burn therein, only to be followed by all the punishments that can be inflicted on them in that infernal pit of fire and brimstone. Their souls will be tortured by cacodemons in the eternal Tophet forever, ever-lasting without end.

>>20939319
>>20939405
HOLY BASED

>>20939319
>>20939405
Did you get your biblical teachings from Facebook comments?

>>20936916
Hello Eric

>>20939133
>Imagine even writing this bullshit at all.
Even the Hermetic texts agree. Ascending through the spheres is the same as giving back the patterns of existence that we accumulate as we fall.

Not only is the war not never-ending (Manichaeism has its own Judgment Day analogue), but you'll find the world conceptualized as a prison for demons almost as many times it is a prison for the soul. I'd say in Manichaeism it is both.

>>20935419
Top grade schizo x tier philosophy

https://adolfstalin.substack.com/p/a-short-piece-on-thelogical-epistemology

>>20936916
This is the same guy who keeps using parsimonious to describe metaphysical systems lel

>>20938765
You'd have trouble, I'm 6'5, 230, good shape and know to blind and maim a man within the first few moments of an altercation.

Get the delusion out of your head that,
1) brain is separate from brawn

and that,
2) my cock isn't your ultimate goal
3) you would do time just to experience this

In addition,

You offered no refutation to the case/s made in (whatever shit i said originally), so thanks for confirming my arguments and being so true by proxy.

Also, you might be interested to learn that I advocate the wearing of lie detectors and electric shocks for telling lies at any point in time and criminal charges following. You might be momentarily captivated by the thought that when you run into a fella like me and you're asked whether you'd like to be a fake-woman for him, you won't be able to lie about it.

>>20935792
>Plotinus refuted the gnostics
There is no such thing as "refuting" a system of metaphysics. Stop parroting this fucking phrase. Gnosticism isn't a fucking science. You can't eliminate its viability by using a few choice words. This is such a weak appeal to authority.
>This heckin greek philosopher said X and totally heckin REFUTED this system of philosophy!!!!!!!!!
Do you realize how retarded this sounds?

>>20939133
"theurs no su fing as skiens, BROTHER HURRDURR, theur is GOD-PUBA and then theur is SKIENTSIS whur people do DEMON-WTCH-SKIENS and SAT*N DELODES THUR MINDS WITH FALSE-HOLY-WISDUMB"

now suck my tiny tiny balls, brother hurdur

Why is the idea that a world full of niggers, kikes, every single organism competing in a fuck,kill and eat fest can be called evil is so controversial to some? Do you people leave your homes? Maybe it's just me living in a south american shithole but I'm perplexed at this faggy "life is beautiful" shit.

>>20940397
lol read my earlier replies, dipfuck,

Plotinus was talking to Christians and Jews about the mental retardation of inventing a god who existed outside of reality, as it would obviously mean their focus was not on anything 'in' reality and would be wasting their time on nihilism or solipism, as we would call it now.

Gnosis is just a fucked up way of saying "knowing" which is scientific method.

as i said,
>>20936478
>3) 'knowing' is the scientific method of cause and proof; it's not magic unless you're a stupid person watching a doctor to doctor things and have a credulous and skittish disposition.

then read this: >>20940400


Contemporary and later Gosticism is a trick or misconception to keep you fucking stupid toward the material reality where any and all knowledge is derived.

>>20940408
>"life is beautiful"
conquering an enemy in war and eating his wife and adult son while he watches, then taking to stars and colonizing the kuiper belt is beautiful.

or it can be.

it really depends whether you're man enough to follow a better man who'll show you how to achieve these things.

>>20940388
ABSOLUTE DELUSION

>>20940428
What is even being man enough? I had to claw my way in life because again I was born in a shithole. If it were for me, I would fucking nuke the entire world, this shit is not worth it. Although I a agree most people are unsufferable normalniggers who have to be purged.

>>20940408
Life isn't beautiful. The world is.

>>20935419
Christianity hates philosophies and religions that actually make sense and are logically consistent.

>>20940443
I don't understand how a world where you can shit out a tapeworm can be beautiful.

>>20940435
let's test it. I'm happy to do this to you and you're happy to submit to it, I presume. I mean, you refuse to martial your society to defeat an opponent, so you've already submitted to it.. as far as i can see..

>>20940436
hello again friend

>>20940454
it's not necessarily 'beautiful' but it is hilarious.
Chrysippus.

true wisdom.

>>20940435
aaaaaaaaaaaaah but it's all fake isn't it? On the screen you pretend your opponent is whatever is comfortable. You're not operating in reality if your starting point is to dismiss the notion that (whatever shit i said) couldn't have come from somebody like this, because it did.

Now, who is meeting the fears of the world with their eyes open, my fellow human? Come, take this flint spear I have made and let us ascend the tree and kill the big bird for its eggs.

LEST YE PERISH EATING BERRIES IN THIS STERILE BOX THAT YE CALLETH 'EDEN'

>>20940428
>conan larp
>40K cringe

>>20940455
Hi fren, I am likely not the anon you are thinking about (I mostly lurk on /lit/) but still, henlo.

>>20940454
That's what makes life not beautiful. You shat it out.

>>20935419
I think the best way to describe why it touches people to the quick is the duality it sets up between what you could call ontological monarchy, and ontological anarchy (or anarcho-democracy or something of that nature), taking these not as perfectly analogical terms but good enough for the sake of discussion.

In Gnostic lore (which has quite a few close parallels to the conspiratorial worldview, although not necessarily necessarily in a negative or positive sense, just putting it out there), the evil forces which enslave humanity are themselves intrinsically hidden and secretive, but have worked to shape all of humanity and the world from behind the scenes and replace authentic spiritual revelation, insight, and inspiration with spurious but finely crafted replicas of these.

As an example, in Gnosticism, the Church, in its true sense as “the Bride of Christ,” or anyone analogically taking part in the “Body of Christ” — a more democratic, revolutionary conception — has been replaced by the historico-political-militaristic entity as of the Roman Catholic Church (which is a conspiratorial view, clearly). What started as something IN this world but not OF it, and not chasing after temporal power and even in some cases inevitably rebelling against it or provoking its ire, itself became a maximum focus of temporal power. The Romans who persecuted Christ and His followers became the Roman Catholics who persecuted heretics and led to the horrors of the Inquisition.

There are “Gnostic” subtexts, if you want to call it that, even in mainstream Christianity. The archons I referred to as the sinister forces corrupting humanity, and their ringleader, the Demiurge, is not much different from the Lucifer/Satan/demons mythos, and St. Paul even has a famous saying in which he refers to “rulers” (lit. archons in Greek) in a similar sense as the Gnostics did.

>For we wrestle not against flesh and blood, but against principalities, against powers, against the rulers of the darkness of this world, against spiritual wickedness in high places.
Ephesians 6:12

In three separate chapters of the Book of John, Satan is referred to as the prince of this world (John 12:31, John 14:30, 16:11). Also, the subtexts of theosis or the unio mystica which can also be found in mainstream forms of Christianity, from Eastern Orthodox theology to St. Paul’s claim that “it is not I who lives, but Christ through me,” are simply made even more explicit in Gnosticism, in the vein of Vedantic treatises of the unity of Atman with Brahman, the Sufi mystical system of fana (dissolution) and subsequent baqa (permanence, abiding in) Allah, and the like.

>>20940511
>henlo
henlo discipulus

>>20940505
O' anon, O' you x

Don't you get that a common gang of blacks vs. [you] proves my point also? baka

Reader, learn from this persons mistake. This now very dead and chewed person.

>>20940543
>The Romans who persecuted Christ and His followers became the Roman Catholics who persecuted heretics and led to the horrors of the Inquisition.
Note: this is not an exact and literal equivalence but a spiritual one. They didn’t literally become them but they were alike, the persecuted became the persecutors, so to speak.
__

Paradoxically, this focus on the unio mystica/attainment of gnosis which led to a higher state of the human soul, manifested in the wide range of Gnostic sects and belief-systems as either radical hedonism and antinomianism (“Since we are already one with Him, why do we need strict disciplines?”), or, conversely, as radical asceticism and world-denial in the vein of the Christian hermits and Desert Fathers (“Since the Nous, the divine spark of the Logos or God within us, is trapped in this prison of the flesh and cannot be adequately experienced without struggle against this flesh and separation from the corruption of this world, we must therefore take on this ascetic way of life”).

Another way its been put is also that, despite that Gnosticism does have a moral system close to mainstream Christianity, with an intuitive distinction between good and evil, the focus on Gnosticism is not so much on a heavy fear-and-reward-based, guilt-and-pride-based, moral system of sin and repentance, but one closer to Eastern philosophical and religious systems about illusion and enlightenment (an insight Pagels made). In fact, in the original Greek, the famous word “repentance” of the New Testament, is actually “metanoia,” as mystics and scholars have made much of, meaning more like a transformation of or going beyond (meta-) the mind (nous as the root-word of -noia).

>>20935419
Because only the truth hurts

>>20940569
>>20940543
So to give an answer to OP’s question, it essentially “flips the whole board game over” (or even table, if you will, using a NT-inspired analogy), of the debate, “Which is the truest, most accurate form of Christianity?” with the answer: “Direct mystical experience, the spreading of love and wisdom in a Christlike life, is itself the answer, and this can paradoxically either be veiled by or conveyed by any societal manifestation of or interpretation of Christianity.” In other words, it’s not a matter of doing some bullshit analytical process with one’s brain and “choosing” (often mechanistically and automatically, in a way determined by social conditioning) whether it’s the Greek Orthodox Church, the Eastern Orthodox Church, the Roman Catholics, the Lutherans or the Calvinists or even the Quakers as the perfect complete form of Christianity, but a direct seeing in the heart and mind of the truth of Christianity without a necessary need for mediation by a manmade hierarchy. This clearly riles people up because it seems to be blasphemy or outrageous pride, or even like a paradoxical setup of a new esoteric hierarchy in the form of “Gnosticism” itself, although this is actually a term later applied by scholars and detractors to a wide ranging movement which didn’t explicitly call itself “Gnosticism” but rather simply considered themselves Christian mystics; but you could also see it, conversely, as an attempted democratizing of mysticism.

>>20940592
you tell that Jew, my fellow Jew.

>>20940628
Good posts.

>>20940642
>everything is a Jewish psyop because I don't read
Shut up faggot

>>20940670
>>everything is a Jewish psyop because I don't read
>Shut up faggot
t'was merely pointing out that gnostic christians vs. not gnostic christian have both been brainwashed by the original lie of jewish theological constructs.

pick up a science pamphlet and learn something worth Gnowing, you little poppet you.

>>20935419
because it's basically le bible is le fantasy but this fantasy story which is even more ridiculous is le real

>>20940707
"i believe it BECAUSE it's absurd!"
some saint whose name i've happily forgotten

>>20940683
Gnosticism's temperamental ancestor is Orphism.

>>20940710
"i believe it BECAUSE science said so!"
millennials

>>20940746
"I'm going mock idiots following a dogma from a perceived authority figure in the form of a book and not notice a trace of the irony in my doing so!"
post-millennial religionist

>>20940725
I think you'll find it's the Scientific Method, and that the other mysticism guff was already refuted 'before' it became a dark age canard.

>>20939319
Sounds like a massive cope desu

>>20939319
>That image is funny when you consider that the poor defenceless lamb will have the last laugh and torture the wolves for ever and ever and ever
peace and love exposed as pure unmitigated YET COMPELTELY IMPOTENT rage.

>image funny
this funnier: >>20936712

>>20940753
"I'm going mock idiots following a dogma from a perceived authority figure in the form of social media backed by corporations and conglomerates and not notice a trace of the irony in my doing so!"
post-millennial atheist

>>20940885
nah, non-sequitur, you broke the chain, dwayne. it don' fuckin connect =/= thred reck'd.

Don't you want to admit that this one was true? Totally is. I agree with you that the people who say "MUH SCIeNTH" and treat it in the exact same manner as a bible-thumping are both culturally and mentally identical to the bible-thumper - but that means you're both wrong and wrong for the same reason.

>>20940753
pure holy this.

>>20939263
Just a general observation. I'm not saying they're right.

>>20940746
Which kind of millenials? pre, post or amillenials? Har har

>>20935419
because it is a bastardization of philosophy and theology that should have never been made, it guts both and presents you with a moronic interpretation that misleads you from the path it plagiarized

>>20941144
Transvaluation =/= plagiarization

>>20941161
>a moronic interpretation
yes

>>20939319
Go knock on doors

>>20941168
Hmm, something tells me you don't know what you're talking about.

>>20941175
must be because i am a golem who hasn't achieved the fabled gnosis of the legendary plagiarism of enlightenment of theology via philosophical mindset that allows one to see things clearly, verily that is impossible without being indoctrinated into a cult

how much masonic jizz did you have to guzzle before the robed faggot told you the obvious?

>>20939319
Werent those wolves created by the Lamb though?

>>20941182
Lame drivel, and a lowercasefag too. You'll look back on these days and cringe

>>20941224
whatever you say wanna be mason

>>20935419
>sees thread
>googles gnosticism
>le dead religion

Who cares? Aren't the surviving religions filled with enough bullshit already?

>>20941242
Take a look in the mirror.

>>20935419
BLACKED

>>20935427
fpbp

>>20935427
>jewish psyop
>is literally depicting the jewish god as the devil

>>20939002
>God's creation is beautiful
This is where the argument falls apart though, it just isn't, it's a fucking nightmare and it's impossible to argue that humans are responsible for all of its terribleness

You can try to argue that the Fall just magically made everything shitty and totally different from how it was created, but at that point a) the current cosmos no longer bears any resemblance to the one created by God, effectively veering into Gnosticism anyway and b) God's creation was apparently so poorly-designed that it completely fell apart due to the error of a single sentient dirt-man

>>20939319
Oh God, Nietzsche really was right all along about Christianity, wasn't he

>>20941248
no u

>>20941553
It's myopic. How can one man's moral failure drag the entire universe into kill or be killed?

>>20941557
We will see in 50 years, if christianity is still not the leading religion, ruling over the entire world

>>20935427
>gnosticism
imagine pretending Christianity was not a psy-op by Jews to weaken the Romans. Gnosticism was the original Christianity that was meant to destroy Jewish myth.