/lit/ - Literature

https://www.amazon.com/Iron-Widow-Xiran-Jay-Zhao-ebook/dp/B091QF1WNX

Reading the reviews, it is clear that they/them Xiran Jay Zhao is one of the top writers in Canada at only 18 years old. Can we dig into this novel and find some of the best parts? I think we could learn a lot from it.

>>20914116
i've never read any of these authors
i wanted to be a writer too, goddamnit
fml

>>20914116
Lol real Canadian culture will die when the last Silent Gen writers die. Say what you will about Atwood she at least grew up when Canada still had a somewhat distinct culture and not just preening about how progressive and international we are compared to Americans

>>20914116
>Nothing but gooks, injuns, niggers and women
Let me guess, they all write about the immigrant experience or identity or some shit.
This country's a joke.

>>20914137
Back to /pol/, chud.

>>20914116
>Xiran Jay Zhao
>Cheluchi Onyemelukwe-Onuobia
Pic very much related.

>>20914303
Xiran is a they/them, only 18 and has sold more books than all of /lit/ combined

>Sheung-King is currently working on his second book, a collection of stories exploring transnational identity, postcolonial spaces, disembodied states of consciousness and the datafication of human behaviour.
>Her debut novel, The Immortal King Rao, which explores technological capitalism, was published in 2022. It will be followed by a short story collection, This is Salvaged, in 2023.
>Parker's latest and third novel, What We Both Know, tackles toxic masculinity, aging and dysfunctional family dynamics.
>Their latest poetry collection, Plenitude, contemplates how we might build a more humane future without cops, bosses, prisons and the oppressive regulation of gender and desire.
>Everyone in This Room Will Someday Be Dead, her debut novel, follows the misadventures of Gilda, a 20-something atheist who is hired at a local Catholic church to replace their recently deceased receptionist.
>Her latest, Buffalo is the New Buffalo, is a collection of speculative fiction that reshapes familiar sci-fi tropes through a Métis worldview.
>His latest collection of poetry is Each One a Furnace, which explores immigration and transience through the imagery of migratory birds.
>Swollening is their first full-length collection, which contemplates the intersection of queerness and illness.
>We, Jane, her debut novel, is about a young woman named Marthe, who ends up befriending an older woman while living in Montreal. She learns how the woman used to help young folks in rural Newfoundland get abortions, and the two return to the island to continue the effort.
Who's fucking reading this drivel?

>>20914116
The real question is who will they pick for next year's list? How can they conceivably take it further?

>>20914359
Sounds like someone is jealous.

Work harder, maybe your writing will be good enough for this list someday.

>>20914363
>Work harder, maybe your writing will be good enough for this list someday.
1 out of 30 is a straight white male. Technically you aren't wrong, his odds aren't 0%, but they aren't high either.

>>20914401
Which one?

>>20914126
Avatar: The Last Airbender ruined an entire generation.

>>20914402
3rd to last one I think.
And I guess I'm assuming he is straight, but he's the only white man who doesn't use special pronouns and he wrote a viking YA story.
I

>>20914425
Token white guy, is his book any good?

>>20914116
Holy fuck I hope Pierre Poilievre isn't lying when he says he'll cut funding to this piece of trash news site

>Nothing but identity politics and YA shit
Who was the last Canadian writer that had anything to say? George Grant? Marshall Mcluhan? Adrian Arcand?

Sad how Canadians produce great hockey players and most of the men outside the lax and hockey bros are sissy faggots

>>20914126
I will never forgive the chinese for ruining Vancouver.

>>20914755
Remember when Jason Bryan predicted the dating shitshow back in 2013?

https://www.amazon.ca/City-Singles-Jason-Bryan/dp/0991825705

Read the reviews, what a loser!

Remember when Jason Bryan wrote about the death of Vancouver the the massive rise of crime that everyone seems to ignore?

shitkick.ca

Canada is completely falling apart.
>paramedic shortage, kids dying
>ferries don't run on time
>insane cost of living
>students living in homeless shetlers
>forced fake COVID vaccination
If you speak out, you are banned and silenced everywhere.
>seek help
Yes, I am seeking help. Does anyone else see how fucked my home town is? Does anyone else see that our leaders obviously have no fucks to give about this country?

https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCiOn4sEuNqFLxk8CbwFqZMg/videos

We can afford 100 million for fags, yet this festering open wound is allowed to not only continue, BUT TO THRIVE!
>you're a schizo!
Sure, if noticing the brutal conditions that our nation subsidizes makes me a schizo, I happily accept that label. Shit is like a nightmare by design and nothing in our culture reflects the failures of our nation. It is deliberate at this point and if you don't speak up you're part of the problem.

>>20915053
One of the worst countries in the west bar none. This stinking shit hole is unbearable especially in the cities.

>>20914359
Hmm I dunno if I should try and compete in this market by writing a novel about residential schools and work in the holocaust somehow, or if I should self publish pulp and smut.

>>20915180
215 indian children were tortured and murdered by white people.

I think we should sit quietly and listen. Then we should do the work to understand how we can give reparations for the damage our skin colour has done to POC, LGBT, immigrants, indigenous, etc etc

>>20915187
Almost got me.

>>20915187
they found roots, not red nigger

What kinds of grants/ sinecures are these people getting, or is it just a bunch of publicity fluff?

>>20914359
>explores immigration and transience through the imagery of migratory birds
This one sounds cool though

>>20915336
>What kinds of grants/ sinecures are these people getting
All of them

Nice commie psy op, but just because you find some buried rocks and logs with a LIDAR doesn't mean we're going to acknowledge a make believe genocide

>>20914755
Me in like 2 years watch me bro

I'm close to finishing the definitive novella on living in Vancouver and it's environs. Don't worry, Canakino will be back on the menu for the first time since Richler.

>>20914116
>https://www.cbc.ca/books/the-cbc-books-writers-to-watch-list-30-canadian-writers-on-the-rise-in-2022-1.6533649
This is so hyper-Christian, giving the abominations of the earth their seats in high places. Jesus would be cooming in his pints right now: Look how the mighty have fallen!

>>20915850
The fuck are you talking about, you faggot?

>>20916130
It's obvious what he's talking about, you retard. He's well read and I appreciate his contribution.

>>20916198
How are any of them "hyper-christian"?

>>20916200
Oh, so you do know what he was saying, and you disagree with it, but you're too lazy to articulate your disagreement. How about fuck you, goof.

>>20914755
Bear

>>20914116

Everything good or even noticeable out of Canada comes from Québec. They have no culture, everything you think about when you think of that country is from the french.
They are the descendant of malding english loyalists. The little talent that emerges from its english roots simply flee to the USA.
It has the worst identity of any country on earth. I said my piece.

>>20915850
Excuse me, but in Canada, the true Canadians are the immigrants.

>>20917197
Quebec is just as, if not more pozzed than the rest of Canada. Montreal is the faggot capital of the North.

>>20915850
This is the resukt of the de-Christianization of Canadian socirty, you dense faggot

>>20915850
You LARPagans always act like you aren't the biggest bunch of faggots. Canada has been de-Christianizing itself from since the 70s. That's why globohomo has taken root to the extent that it has.

>>20914359
>shaun king

He's at it again

Ah yes, the world famous Canadian author. Born in China, currently living in Los Angeles, they went to university at Simon Fraser and own a high-rise in Vancouver where they spend the summer, occasionally anyways.

Writing about such distinctly Canadian topics as the immigrant experience in New York and Beijing high society drama, Xi Obasanjo Fakir Li Raj (they/them) has beautifully captured the Canadian experience in xir's debut novel, which is set to release in 2025

>>20915087
Canada used to be the best country in the world to live in.
Now we rank dead last in nearly every OECD statistic there is.
It's laughable that this has happened to such a once promising place.

>>20917197
>The little talent that emerges from its english roots simply flee to the USA.
disregarding the rest of that bullshit, this is the real problem.
Canadian brain drain is fucking insane, anyone with half a mind will gladly be scooped up by the US because they can make $30 000 more in the same position and not even have to work as hard.
All the immigrants that come here to study just take their degrees and go home and all the immigrants that aren't educated simply live off the fat of the government.
Seriously not a good system.

>>20918010
My alma mater is involved in one of the extensive government subsidy programs that "educate" foreign students for free. In 2 years of doing Chem lab work, I have seen more plagiarized assignments from Chinese students than in the rest of my life combined.

>>20914116
all canadian art is state sponsored garbage. so much so that it gets funding as a matter of national security.
it's fun to make retards here fall for memes but just avoid this psyopped trash at all costs.

>>20914670
national media isn't necessarily bad, but the cbc effectively killed all local news outlets. even the other big names are barely watched now. 20-30 years ago all small cities (<100,000) had their own news station.

>>20914459
He's Canadian and he writes YA fiction.

>>20918075
>>20914425
this guy seems kinda based.
I think I'll read his book.

>>20914116
>canada has writers
huh i would've thought they were too busy sucking neoliberalism straight out of tredeau's asshole like it was nigger semen

>>20917984
Tbh it was always a house of cards. Official bilingualism killed any chance for Canadian global success by filling our bureaucracy and federal government with a bilingual elite totally disconnected from the values of normal people. The "deep state," as one might call it, is worse here than even the USA. The societal decay we've seen in the past ten years were basically inevitable.

>>20918121
Read about single-member plurality voting and the Canadian voting demographics before you sling mud at us for liking Canadian politics. Nothing short of nuclear weapons can stop obese middle aged women, who only watch tv and read listicle articles about the British royal family, from voting for whoever's laws are the most permissive. As a result of that situation, we have added a high volume of voters to the pool from third world countries who are here under the premise that votes for leftist parties erode Canadian white racism and make Canada more multicultural.
As a final comedic touch, all of the parties are moving to implement all of the same changes. Harper, for example, put the cart before the horse and opened the gates to mass immigration under the premise that it's good for the economy.

>>20914116
Canada appears to me like an economic area, rather than a nation. A group of people who try to be more progressive than Americans, but are heavily influenced by everything American. Canadian leaders seem to be dead-set on increasing net immigration figures to astronomical figures. The authentic Anglo-Canadian culture probably died in the 90s, silently. The French Canadians are probably fairing a bit better.

>>20917984
>>20918140
Tell me more about the decay. I'm interested.

>>20918121
read grant's lament for a nation and then put us out of our misery

>>20918552
It isn't complicated, really. The bureaucracy expands, the private sector contracts, standard of living declines and the cost of living increases. The state controls the failed socioeconomic striver addicts by giving them what has historically been a privilege of the native americans: carte blanche to commit property crimes against everyone else. As the wheel spins, the natives just get angrier.

>>20918552
The biggest thing was that while many other countries resisted being injected with experimental nigger juice, this country LAPPED IT UP in a major way, every single tom dick and nigger got vaxxed up to 4 times, its sick. There is no hope here, people will never revolt.

>>20915850
This is explicitly anti-Christian, you retard. Canada lost it's traditional Christianity after the war just like Europe did, and this is the result.

>>20917764
More Canadian than you, chud. Sounds like you're upset that they're a dignified author and you're a nobody on 4chan.

>>20918140
The Shitkickers is coming true every single day in Canada...

https://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/calgary/brett-davidson-miklic-szabo-random-inglewood-attack-1.6567015

Guy who randomly murdered this man was from Vancouver... catch and release... he fled to Calgary and murdered a random stranger. Your average normie thinks shit is so safe in this country, just like that dude murdered on his walk to work this summer in Vancouver, another totally random attack:

https://globalnews.ca/news/9000579/vancouver-random-fatal-stabbing-justin-mohrmann/

Any Canadian writer who dares to speak out about the slide of our nation and our collective values ends up like Jason Bryan... banned from social media, totally unable to get his message out to the population other than standing in front of liquor stores holding cardboard signs!

>>20918543
Vancouver's culture, having grown up here in the 80's and 90's, was pretty much totally wiped clean from about... 2010-2015. I was born and raised at 308 West 22nd. Shit was so fucking KINO growing up and my teenage years, early 20's were amazing. In the 00's, you could tell things started feeling... odd... the culture was becoming, how do I say, self-destructive?

After about 2008 the nose of the Canadian plane began to go into the nose-dive.
>where are we at in 2022?
We are pointing straight down at the speed of fucking sound. Vancouver is a wretched wasteland.

>>20918958
I never took the poison jab, however, now I'm banned from all social media for being outspoken about never taking it and encouraging others to not take the bullshit clot shot.

Growing up in Vancouver and trading Atari, Amiga, and early PC games with my friends with our XTs, 286s, and 386s was so awesome. One of our buddy's parents bought a $10,000 dollar 486 when they first came out and we all went over to play the most earliest Doom. God life in Vancouver in the 90's was so fucking nice bros, could talk for hours about all the fun shit there was to do and absolutely ZERO social justice / gay / racial / -phobia shit.

>>20919099
Traditional Christianity is not Christianity but the Church ruling society through obscurantism. "The meek will inherit the earth." That's Christianity.

Once everyone stared reading the bible, that's when the real problems arised. Why? Because Christianity is the celebration of mediocrity.

>>20919308
Also just wanted to add... as far as I'm aware, there is no TV / Books / Movies about this time of Vancouver's history. We had some of the best nightlife, jobs paid well, housing was cheap, food was cheap... it was such a good life and in 2022 it looks like we have thrown all the good of Vancouver away and imported all of the worst of globohomo. I visited the downtown core a couple months ago and it was beyond disgusting, much, much worse than before COVID.

Funny how our literature is so completely divorced from reality in this country.

>>20919308
>>20919324
Hell ya man I grew up in a small town in Ontario and it was good living, we never heard a God damn thing about gay rights or niggers once. Now look.

>>20919321
Arent you in another thread saying the exact same thing? HAHAHAH holy fuck, what you get raped as a child or something? Fucking faggot.

>>20919321
People only started reading the Bible in the 60s? You're either lying or you're a faggot. Either way, people like you are the problem. Attacking the one thing holding up the west.

>>20919369
>>20919356
You dumb fucking boomers, things started going to shit in the 1800s after everyone started reading the bible. Jesus is dead, and his teachings are lies, that's the first things you need to accept.

>>20919356
>>20919369

Not sure why people are attacking each other in a thread discussing how far we've fallen, and continue to fall as our entire entertainment and cultural industries are totally pozzed.

>>20919386
>Jesus is dead, and his teachings are lies, that's the first things you need to accept.

>>20919389
Because secular utopianism and globohomo is the reason we've fallen. Read "Lament for a Nation".

>>20919386
t. vile nigger lover

>>20919394
Okay I'll check it out. I grew up going to Church until I was 12 and my parents divorced. I enjoyed Church immensely.

>>20919390
Jesus is the secret of the Jews. They control you through him.

>>20919400

>>20919400
you just sound sad

>>20919397
>>20919398
>>20919394

>>20919406
Jesus was killed because he was a degenerate cult leader. He was the Charlie Manson of his day. That's who you worship.

Paul invented everything else.

>>20919420
>literally paraphrasing the talmud

>>20919408

>>20918552
Massively expanding bureaucracy with no growth in the wealth of Canadians. Back in the 90s our GDP per capita went stagnant because overspending in the 80s required us to cut services. At least 80s overspending produced an economic boom for a period of time, this is just an expanding bureaucracy. Pretty much all growth in Canada in the past 4 years has been in government sectors.

To add to it much of Canada's economy is controlled by a series of oligopolies, most notably in dairy and telecom. The government justifies their existence because they delusionally believe it keeps American culture creep out. Industries that aren't controlled by colluding oligopolies cozy with the government are getting raped by the green transition like oil and auto manufacturing. The result of all this is that everything is of substandard value and much more expensive than you would get in the US.

The massively bloated regulatory state combined with mass migration has made housing completely unaffordable in southern Ontario and the area around Vancouver. More than half of English Canada lives in these places. The only two provinces where things are still affordable and the economy is growing, Alberta and Saskatchewan, are being promised more environmental regulations to kill their economies in the future.

Strict regulatory control over telecom has destroyed Canadian creativity. Basically everything is requred to devote a alrge portion of their content, through a retardedly complicated formula, to "Canadian content." This elevates Canadian television, music, and literature with little if any literary value. Occasionally some good stuff slips through the sea of garbage, but for the most part anyone of creative value goes to America.

All of this is protected by an activist supreme court where every single justice is leftist because supreme court nominations are filtered through a cartel of leftist lawyers.

Canada's only competitive advantage given all this is that Canadians are more educated than basically anywhere else in the world creating a society full of retarded undergrads who think believing whatever the experts say is critical thinking.

>>20919443
Excellent summary. I'd like to add the colossal failure of the Fast Ferries that were sold for pennies on the dollar.

Glenn Clark's house in Burnaby had so many nice renos and cool cars in the driveway around the time of the Fast Ferries:

https://www.theglobeandmail.com/news/national/bc-admits-failure-puts-fast-ferries-up-for-sale/article4161516/
(22 year old article)

I knew a girl who lived on his block back in the day and her parents were livid that Glenn was clearly getting shit given to him under the table for favours and his immediate family were beyond loaded. Also you could have an entire post talking about all the scam companies on Alberni street in Vancouver... or how Jenny Kwan got caught taking 35,000 from an organization designed to help the poor... of course she kept her job.

https://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/british-columbia/ndp-mla-jenny-kwan-repaying-35k-for-europe-disney-trips-1.2581899

You could endlessly post about how fucked this place is!

>>20919443
>Saskatchewan
>Still affordable and the economy is growing

Count us out. The GDP increase from the oil extraction has gone to a small number of executives who bought property in Kelowna. All other "expansion" is from a precipitous increase in the number of minimum wage foreign workers. There is no more skilled work to be done here than there was before.

>>20919443
One more thing I'll add to this that I mentioned before is that official bilingualism has been extraordinarily corrosive to the democratic system to the point where I think you could hardly even call it a democracy. Being fluent in both English and French is a prerequisite to serving in any serious position in the national bureaucracy, military, or major Canadian corporations. The vast majority of these bilingual Canadians live in or around Toronto, Ottawa, Montreal, and Quebec City. Most people in most of the country are excluded from ever participating in this system in a serious manner leaving the entire bureacracy not just in the hands of the type of people who want to be bureacrats, but people from a few specific eastern ctiies with shitty eastern big city attitudes. Half of them are Quebecers too which brings in corruption and general anti-English Canadian values.

>>20914116
Nothing promoted by those fags at the CBC, that’s for sure.

>>20919546
>>20919443
Thank youuu, gotta memorize these details so i can wake people the fuckkk uppp

>>20919546
>>20919560
Back 10+ years ago there was a local drunk at my favourite pub who said that Canada is going to be forever ruled by the "Laurentian elites" that run the country. He was kicked out of the pub several times for going on rants that BC didn't even matter, and will never matter, because on election day the federal party will already win before our votes are even counted. Still remember that guy bitching so hard about the country and 10+ years ago I wasn't nearly as redpilled.

>>20919580
We will all end up him at this rate lmfao

>>20919580
Senate is even more ridiculous. Quebec and the Maritimes are about a quarter of the Canadian population but get about half the senate seats.

>>20919443
> That litany of boomer complaints from ~2000s.
lol. The quip about Alberta and Sask just tops it off. Bet our a regular on /k/anada, right?

>>20919800
You do know Quebec is for the abolition of the Federal Senate, right? The were the first to abolish their own.

>>20919958
These aren't boomer complaints from the mid 2000s. The housing crisis is a product that began coming to fruition in the past 15 years. Half a million public sector jobs have been created since February 2020 and less than a fifth of that in the private sector. Canadian GDP per capita has been declining since 2011.

The erosion of rights with the cooperation of the courts and the bureaucracy has worsened rapidly over the past few years. It was possible specifically because the whole Canadian political system is designed to centralize power in the hands of a tiny bilingual elite living along the St. Lawrence River with progressive social values mixed with high tory paternalism and Quebecois corruption.

>>20919965
I was just using it as an example of how lopsided the seats are.

>>20920014
>These aren't boomer complaints from the mid 2000s
They sure fucking are. I spent a decade in Red Deer in the early 2000s and those were the weekly complaint points brought up by every conservative news outlet.
>>20920014
>he whole Canadian political system is designed to centralize power in the hands of a tiny bilingual elite living along the St. Lawrence River
I mean, if you by "bilingual" and "living along the St. Lawrence river you mean "Westmount & Toronto" then you arent wrong.

>>20920141
Nobody here asked for novel causes of Canadian decline.

>>20919546
You guys should have given Quebec independence,both sides would be better off.

>>20920151
You misdiagnosed the problem then. The twin source of the issue was running a policy of Great Replacement the second Brits took over, therefore 100% justifying any and all forms of rebellion against your authority, and simultaneously setting up Canada as the City of London Corporation redux with Toronto being the UK and everyone else being the cunts being exploited.

>>20920192
Remember when they called "the great replacement" a conspiracy theory yet state-funded media literally laughs about it in your face...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Wb55teb1gJ0

>>20920396
A Québécois should never deny the possibility of a Great Replacement, given we are all brought up with stories of Lord Elgin's letter in History classes, where he literally states French-Canadian will be replaced within 2 generations.
> Cue the next 300 years of treating us barely (and I mean by the slightest possible margin) better than burgers treated nignogs, then they buy in their own propaganda and start opening up access to higher federal positions, despite their own support base getting more and more fractured, and now act all hurt when we use said access to our advantage.

>>20920427
Given this is /lit/ wanna post a link to his letter?

>>20914116
As a pajeet is it worth it to immigrate to Canada? It can't be worse than this shithole.

>>20920431
> Elgin
Sorry, it was Durham.
> I entertain no doubts as to the national character which must be given to Lower Canada; it must be that of the British Empire; that of the majority of the population of British America; that of the great race which must in the lapse of no long period of time be predominant over the whole North American Continent. Without effecting the change so rapidly or so roughly as to shock the feelings and trample on the welfare of the existing generation, it must henceforth be the first and steady purpose of the British Government to establish an English population, with English laws and language, in this Province, and to trust its government to none but a decidedly English Legislature"
Whole text here
https://www.originalsources.com/Document.aspx?DocID=LL8VSP9R6AQN34C

>>20920520
Please don't, we have more than enough of you here already.

>>20920534
One more won't make a difference. Im just worried if there is a future there. All these posts paint a bleak picture

>>20914116
>ttps://www.cbc.ca/books/the-cbc-books-writers-to-watch-list-30-canadian-writers-on-the-rise-in-2022-1.6533649
>Andrew David MacDonald
holy based

>>20920545
I mean, the lists themselves arent representative of the issues we are facing right now, that's why I commented a lot of it was boomer complaints circa 2000. Believing in 2022 that Big Dairy controls the government, when Saudi and Chinese Big Real Estate has so very clearly taken over since ~2010... lol.
It's just typical Alberta-Saskatchewan-Manitoba seething. Albertans are the best Canadians to be around, but holy fuck do they lack any political understanding of the country they are in.

>>20917497
Globohomo is secularized Christian ethics. Christianity obliterated authentic tradition, as it was intended to do just like Judaism and Islam were in their turn, and as a result of what you call "de-Christianizing" what is left isn't what you want to believe is 'paganism' but merely Reform Christianity. It can't be paganism, because paganism is, as you point out, non-existent to the point of being make believe. It can't be anything other than the dregs of Christianity after the wine has been poured out. It's your slave morality taken to its logical conclusion.
You want to put the wine back in the skin? Why wasn't your religion strong enough to survive? Where were you?

>>20920545
Do you ever stop and think that if so many of you come here, it will not be the country that you wanted to come to, and will be more like your own country that you want to leave?

>>20920583
> it will not be the country that you wanted to come to, and will be more like your own country that you want to leave?

This is blatantly untrue. Geography, population, history, economics, geopolitical situation are all different. Only thing concerning is pajeets bringing their shitty pajeet attitude, which I agree is a problem. I mean this is one of the reasons why I want to leave in the first place.

>>20920579
>Globohomo is secularized Christian ethics. Christianity obliterated authentic tradition
This is a larpagan/moldbergian cope. Faggy politics and Christianity exist independently of each other. The traditional Catholic and Orthodox Churches, as well as the "high" Protestant churches value sanctity, light, cleansing fire and so on, just looking at one of their cathedrals should be enough to confirm that. That's why the armies of Satan fight so hard to paint it as the opposite

>>20920598
He's got a point, tho. There are material factors which determines why we are successful or not as a society, and the makeup of our population is a major part of that.
Pajeets alone have probably tripled the cost of road policing and alcoholock services in Ontario, for example.

>>20920583
>Do you ever stop and think
No they don’t, that’s one of the appealing things about them for politicians and businessmen. They are just clever enough to receive and follow multi-step orders, but neither clever nor bold enough to question or disobey. In effect they are the Trusties of this zogged out prison planet. In brave new world terms they are a nation of Betas (in terms of character— of course many of them, particularly in more dravidian castes, are better suited to labor than management)

>>20920614
Lol an elder scrolls cathedral? You're baiting right? Look I'm sure a more articulate Christian could make some arguments against me and you aren't him, but we're not going to convince each other anyway. I posted some of my basic opinions on the matter so you hopefully understand better the 'larpagan' perspective since there's generally a lot of confusion around it.

>>20920598
True, it do be colder here.

>>20920621
I'd expect most would assimilate into Canadian "culture" within 2 generations. But yeah FOAB, especially those from poorer backgrounds may cause problems.

>>20920655
Your ignorance regarding this matter is made apparent by your quip on dravidians, who irl happen to perform better in high brow fields.

>>20920671
Yeah that's another thing. I may have to spend a few months there first and see if the cold wrecks my immune system

>>20920673
>I'd expect most would assimilate into Canadian "culture" within 2 generations
It really depends on the person and people we are talking about. I've met 2nd generation Africans (Cote D'Ivoire) who were 100% integrated and assimilated, and at the same time Haitians remains Haitians even after the 3rd gen. Indians are pretty close-knit, I would expect them to ghettoify themselves.
Also really fucking bellicose people. Not my fault their pronunciation is such shit and we have to ask them to speak more clearly, they dont need to get so aggressive every fucking time.

>>20920695
>and see if the cold wrecks my immune system
Jesus fuck how weak are you?
The cold gives us strenght. It's one of the few good things about this country.

>>20920673
>I'd expect most would assimilate into Canadian "culture" within 2 generations
So you think people can assimilate into a culture which is so tenuous that you put it in quotation marks because you either don't know what it is or don't believe it exists. That's insanity and you are functioning on a very low level. Race is culture. Race is the most important issue that supersedes all others barring matters of food security and etc. But I guess I can't single you out on that because it's not just you, almost nobody understands it.

>>20920673
>dravidians, who irl happen to perform better in high brow fields.
t. toddy-maker

Guy Gabriel Kay.
How did Canada used to differ to the USA? What made it unique in a way that's now been lost?

>>20914116
if you just killed every wh1t3 eurocanadian, like, if there was a wh1t3 eurocanadian genocaide, i'm sure canada could become a literary capital of the world. wh1t3 eurocanadians are too busy smoking meth, being illiterate, committing hate crimes, and r@p1ng little boys, then blaming foreigners who aren't completely degenerate pieces of worthless subhuman shit for what they did wrong

>>20920696
>Also really fucking bellicose people.
Hmm. That's interesting. I'd expect them to be meeker in a foreign land.

>Not my fault their pronunciation is such shit and we have to ask them to speak more clearly, they dont need to get so aggressive every fucking time.

This reminds me how my siblings and myself would make fun of american/british accents for being convoluted and incognizable when we were children. I still think that Indian accents are clearer if the speaker knows how to speak english(and that's a big if)

>>20920709
I think they'll assimilate into whatever the current trend is. Which seems to be total subservience to globohomo consumerist neoliberalism at this point.

>Race is culture
Lmao. Have you ever been to Europe.

>>20920777
And I should care about the travel vlogs of some 19th century literary who because?

>>20920817
>Hmm. That's interesting. I'd expect them to be meeker in a foreign land
They dont act at all like they are in a foreign land. I work for public security, every end of summer/fall we get bombarded by calls because pajeets randomly decide to assemble 300 of themselves in a park and start fireworks at midnight, the lines immediately becomes red because folks think there are shootings... and we are under instruction not to intervene because they get too aggressive when we send the patrol car around.
Really a fucking shitty people, the less interactions I have with them the better.

>>20920850
>every end of summer/fall we get bombarded by calls because pajeets randomly decide to assemble 300 of themselves in a park and start fireworks at midnight,

Hahahahaha
Holy shit I can vividly visualise the ruckus and the aftermath. This is indeed pajeet behaviour. Do they jump traffic lights as well?

>>20920931
>Do they jump traffic lights as well?
All the time. All road/traffic laws are purely suggestions for Pajeets.

>>20918934
>the private sector contracts
The private sector has been doing nothing but expanding, at the detriment of our nation

>>20918934
>The state controls the failed socioeconomic striver addicts by giving them what has historically been a privilege of the native americans: carte blanche to commit property crimes against everyone else
Could you explain this more? Any examples? I'm not Canadian so not too sure what you're talking about

>>20919290
>Shit was so fucking KINO growing up and my teenage years,
Any videos or pictures from the time? I'm interested in nostalgic anglo-kino cities

>>20920598
>This is blatantly untrue. Geography, population, history, economics, geopolitical situation are all different.
That is what people said about mass immigration to the UK, come to some of our major cities - go to East London and see how wrong you are. You are unfortunately naive.

>>20922098
It isn't hyperbole when I say some areas are unrecognisable from how they looked circa 50 years ago.

>>20920817
>I'd expect them to be meeker in a foreign land.
Are you genuinely retarded or do you not listen to any of the current politican discussion in the western world regarding migration? In most English speaking countries they can get away with loads of shit, any standards or expectation of integration into the host culture hasn't been demanded for 20 or 30 years or so

>>20920817
>>Race is culture
>Lmao. Have you ever been to Europe.
Have you ever been to a multicultural school? The differences between different Europeans are smaller than the differences between Africans and Europeans, or Indians and Europeans. In reality the poster you replied to correct in a way - when you get lots of different races living together.

>>20922098
London has been a shithole before. This is nothing new.

>>20922113
I mean I still don't understand why they allow this in the first place. Is the labour shortage and population ageing really that bad out there?

>>20922126
The poster I replied to tried to imply that the ontological essence of culture lies in race, which is bullshit. This is nothing more than coincidental correlation

>>20922044
I have a video from when I hosted a vodka taste-test party from before there were smartphones... it is shocking to watch in 2022

>>20919546
Good, Quebec is the only part of Canada with a genuine identity. The "trucker" Anglo right are just American larpers who forget our nation is based on peace, order and good government. Instead of making government good again, they just want to be Republicans.

>>20922380
Quebec hasn't had a real identity since that faggoty quiet revolution. Quebec was the first pozzed province.

>>20922380
Good government!
>looks around at the decline of the last 10 years
Holy fuck...

>>20922380
Your "good government" must mean "governing in whatever way is good for the government themselves". The only people in Canada whose standard of living is not declining are people who work in the public sector and people who live off of their investments.

>>20922416
>>20922431
Holy fuck trucker reading comprehension.
Nothing in the post indicates that the current government is good.

What is this, /pol/?

Get the fuck off of my board

>>20922467
Did you read the CBC link on the 30 authors?

>>20920695
They're saying this winter will be cold as tits and some provinces may have to go into "hibernation". Stay in pakistan please and thank you.

>>20922217
>London has been a shithole before. This is nothing new.
No, it wasn't in many places where it is now. And my entire point is that it isn't just London. Where are you from?

>>20922217
>This is nothing more than coincidental correlation
No it isn't, read my post again.

>>20922380
>peace, order and good government
Meaningless buzzwords , all successful governments are built on this.
>>20922461
Learn to write and present your ideas coherently then, you retard.

>>20922217
>London has been a shithole before. This is nothing new.
Yeah I'm sure if Dehli was 20% Han Chinese and 20% European you'd love it, if you are the poster from India.

You entirely missed my point, which was that immigration in large enough numbers changes areas enough that they are quite similar to the countries of origin of the immigrant groups. I can list of tens or hundreds of examples in the UK.

>>20922660
>Meaningless buzzwords
It's a famous phrase from the British North America Act. Do you also need "hewers of wood and drawers of water" explained? Do you know anything about this country's history?
The "truckers" love of American flags and 1776, seemingly not realizing our forebears fought against that, suggest not.

>>20922380
The way you people insult other posters yet come out with such meaningless rubbish is astounding.

>American larpers
American larpers vs 3rd world immigrants and liberal elites, who wins? 'Good governance' (lol) isn't coming back, your country is undergoing relative decline.

True Canadian conservatism died with this man.

>>20922682
I don't care about 'larping truckers', the rest of your nation is heavily influenced by the US too. Look at your retarded politicians and how they seek to outdo even Americans with progressive identity politics. Anyone who isnt Americanised is probably someone who speaks little English lol

>>20922696
And culture with this man...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TVY8LoM47xI&list=PLC0A10D3D67C6EA0E&ab_channel=MoonfirespamAM

>>20922682
The people, culture and values your nation was founded on is/are dying or are gone.

You are Americanised, politics is controlled by liberal oligarchs and voters influenced by stupid identity politics, and the Anglo-Canadian and Franco-Canadian populations are shrinking relative to an increasing immigrant population. Theres no point lecturing me on things that are so far gone now,

>>20922720
It feels bizarre to have witnessed such a slide in the last 20 years.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4YLrZ23KtKc

Even back in only 2012 you could walk this neighbourhood without too much worry. There were still places to visit down here like some of the hidden bars and kitschy shops.

In 2022, this place is a war zone and anyone can get robbed, assaulted, or even murdered in broad daylight.

>>20922720
>You are Americanised, politics is controlled by liberal oligarchs and voters influenced by stupid identity politics, and the Anglo-Canadian and Franco-Canadian populations are shrinking relative to an increasing immigrant population.
As opposed to where exactly in the Western world?
Jesus fuck I love these cunts dog piling with arguments that applies to just about everyone in this day and age...
>>20922380
>Quebec is the only part of Canada with a genuine identity.
Quebecois here, that is simply not true. The contrast is perhaps sharper between Quebec and the RoC but it isn't that they don't have a culture. Just like everywhere if you base yourself on the lowest common denominator you are going to be confronted with retards, this isn't different in Quebec or in Kitchener. Like I said before in this thread I stayed 10 years in Red Deer, Albertans and Great Plains Canucks are different from us and different from Ontarians and seemingly different from BC folks.
See >>20922405. "They don't have a genuine culture" means "they don't have a culture I like" or "I know shit about their culture". Culturally, the Quiet Revolution was almost exclusively an artistic movement, but it corresponded to the same moment as the Sexual Revolution, so... Politically it just meant modernizing our healthcare and education system to the standards of the time.

>>20923324
Quebec culture is literally just being a bunch of leftists about everything except language. You used to have a strong Catholic identity, but now you're just french neoliberals with the highest suicide rate bellow the arctic.

>"le based Quebec" meme

>>20920673
Look at it this way, let's say 9/10 Indians in India were replaced with people from another race. Let's say Chinese. They are fully 'assimilated' to the culture, and just as Indian as you are in every way - what they read, what they eat, their language, their religion - other than the fact that they are Chinese.
Are they Indian??? Is the culture still Indian or did it change???

>>20923515
This does not happen tho. Modern immigration is an international real estate transaction, nothing else. People no longer have strong inclinations to adapt to the culture they are immigrating into. Those 9/10 chinese would change the cultural landscape of India irremediably. Although from Indian to Chinese that's really a lateral move.

Wallowing in collective misery is fun and everything, but has anyone ever noticed how William Henry Drummond's "the voyageur" is set to the rythm of a sailor shanty? I'm pretty sure Sam Rodgers has a couple of songs with exactly the same structure.

>>20920777
kino

>>20923688
>the rythm of a sailor shanty?
it alternates between basic “ballad” quatrains and some bouncier quatrain that I don’t know the name of. I would say this is typical of folk music in general, not just sailor stuff
>Sam Rodgers
Do you mean Stan Rogers?