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>>20912365
What makes a man moral in the first place?

>>20912370
Sustainability.

>>20912383
Care to further elaborate?

>>20912365
I want a girl to inject me with heroin.

>>20912390
Objectively there's just energy/matter and you can't deduce whether X energy is moral and Y energy immoral. It's a human construct. However humans themselves are energy (in a panpsychic sense). So technically objective morality does exist. Objective morality derived from the way energy self-reflects upon itself, and the way it categorizes forms of itself as either good or bad. So when you get to brass tacks, in humans, what is good can be generally interpreted as what allows the general form energy that is humanity, to prosper, spread and procreate, or just two of the three is enough. Life is a form of anti-entropic energy. So it is in this sense that e.g. murder is immoral. It is a spread of entropy in an anti-entropic system (civilization) consisting of anti-entropic localities (humans).

>>20912432
Holy fuck analytic philosophy is retarded lol. Unironically read Nietzsche.

I never tried it, only various analogues (3-meo, 3-ho,...). I think with pcp you have a substance that is very stimulating and also quite commonly induces psychotic breaks, while also often is used by people in already violent environments. That and anti-drug and anti-black sensationalism gives it the bad rep it has. So I would already disagree with the premise that pcp necessarily turns you immoral.
And also I don't think there is a moral man to begin with.

>>20912365
In what circumstances would PCP be considered immoral?

>>20912443
>>20912457
Thanks, OP here, I'll be honest I just wanted input from smart most likely (and most preferably) white men who have already done PCP whether it's safe to use it because I've been tempted lately. Thanks for the information. There was this rapper who chopped of his dick and balls on PCP and then jumped out of the window but survived. Various forms of self-injury or assault may occur. Even murder and/or suicide. I was also just wondering if a so-called strong, well-adjusted person can be distorted by the drug alone to end up very badly.
>>20912437
It's a combination of analytic and continental philosophy. Point one thing wrong.

Also how does the experience square against ketamine, dxm, lsd, weed or deliriants? In terms of sensation, hallucinations, emotional state, thoughts

>>20912432
Charity isn't sustainable

>>20912484
In the modern world, the task of charity is already accomplished through taxation.

>>20912464
>I was also just wondering if a so-called strong, well-adjusted person can be distorted by the drug alone to end up very badly.
Of course, you fucking idiot. What’s even your empirical criteria for a “strong, well-adjusted person“? Here’s another question for you : admitting that you have a way to tell beforehand who will stay Le Good Guy and who will turns Le Bad Guy while doing PCP, does your system still holds for any possible substance?

You seem very unqualified to write this book. PCP as an anesthetic that causes hallucinatory experiences. Watching some clips from the news is not a good indicator of what PCP really is.

>>20912365
>Can PCP turn a moral man immoral, or does it simply cause an immoral man to manifest himself?
This is a chicken and egg question at best. Good luck.

>>20912652
hmm
>>20912637
it will be just a paragraph in the book

>>20912365
>I am writing a book (a philosophical treatise)
>a book
>(a philosophical treatise)

no you aren't

>Have you ever used it?
Yes
>What does it feel like?
Generally speaking, drug experiences are highly individual and the actual qualities are ineffable. It's a highly effective NMDA antagonist, and it feels as such. Unlike other NMDA antagonists, PCP and friends have some weird downstream effects on your monoamine systems that provided an elevated level of arousal (I mean that in a medical sense, not sexual arousal). Mania is thrown around a lot and it's accurate, because you can be highly irritable. A few times I would be walking around and it would feel like the air was made out of ghostly elephant grass.
>How does it compare to ketamine
The phencyclidines all felt more "brittle" than ketamine, and not nearly as discoordinated or immobilizing. you're still flying-by-wire, but you can generally do a much better job of it.
>DXM
DXM is a rather unique drug. Doesn't really compare well to anything.
>LSD
Incomparable.
>Weed
The sensation is similar to a ridiculously high dosage of THC (as in a gram of wax done in as few hits as possible with zero tolerance). The mental space is completely different.
>Deliriants
Incomparable.

>>20912443
The analogues tend to be very close to Phencyclidine in my experience. Most noticeable difference is dosing and duration. I would not be able to identify which was which if I was dosed blind and not given access to a clock.

>>20913961
I know the standard shtick is "I wouldn't recommend it to anyone" but if someone had to take it, what would you prefer him to be like? How does mental strength and a sense of Self (in society) play into this?

i always wanted to try 2-OXO-PCP cause i heard its like half ketamine half strong opioid and you can nod on it

>>20914095
I don't recommend nor do I not recommend things. You're a big boy. I trust you can read scientific journals and user reports and engage in basic harm reduction practices. Drug stigma is tiresome.

>How does mental strength and a sense of Self (in society) play into this?
Rigid and inflexible personalities tend to do poorly with hallucinogens in general. That's about all that can be definitively said.

>>20912365
>Can PCP turn a moral man immoral, or does it simply cause an immoral man to manifest himself?

I'm skeptical of any approach that assumes there's an innate, concrete sense of morality shared across large swathes of people, so I think the question's a bit silly. Morality is so situationally and culturally embedded and people react to substances so differently, seems like there's too many factors in the mix to render any kind of concrete judgement in the way you're attempting to do. Drugs that render you virtually delusional would definitely impair moral decision-making, no need to binge datura or PCP to approach the subject philosophically. I also don't know why you would need to delineate between drugs or insanity if both undermine your agency as a rational actor, which is necessary for moral agency, and should be taken into account in any assessment of an individual's ethics.

>>20914338
>Rigid and inflexible personalities tend to do poorly with hallucinogens in general.
Could you expand upon this?

>>20914709
They make you feel weird in ways you probably could never expect, so you have to be able to roll with the punches

>>20914927
>They make you feel weird in ways you probably could never expect
Elaborate, with examples from your own experience, I'm eager to hear

>>20914939
>Generally speaking, drug experiences are highly individual and the actual qualities are ineffable.

>>20912432
Absolute nonsense. If morality is a human construct, and humans are "energy", and the "fact" that everything is objectively matter/energy, it does not follow in any reasonable sense that morality regains objectivity due to this.

In other words, if morality is a human construct, it does not at all even imply that the basest unit which composes humans (matter/energy according to you) retains any sense of something (morality) which was constructed by the sum of the parts. You seem to imply that humans and energy are essentially the same, but they aren't in any meaningful sense.

>>20915013
>morality regains objectivity due to this.
I didn't say that, I only said that it's objectively better for a state of energy organization, that is Humanity, which is a strongly anti-entropic force, not to devolve in its anti-entropic status, and that any such attempt at devolution is objectively worse for this state of energy organization

In simple terms, it's ultimately about whether you value Life in Life itself.

>>20915010
What has been your experience?

>>20915039
Typical of other NMDA antagonists but with better balance and (slightly better) spatial coordination and much greater ability and desire to move about coherently. In higher doses, irritability.
>what's that like
Only one way to find out.

>>20915117
Why do you think people would be led to self-injury, assault, murder and/or suicide? Rapper who chopped off his dick and balls while on PCP, then jumped out of a window to commit suicide (but he survived) said it all started shortly after ingesting PCP because everything started looking like a cartoon to him, including his life, everything became cartoonish and he was living out a cartoon's/fairy tale's role. that seems like dangerously (scarily) possible behavior

>>20915154
Are you talking about Big Lurch? Because that's not what he did. He killed his roommate and cannibalized her, using PCP as grounds for a (frankly hilarious) insanity defense.

Hippies were doing dumptrucks of the stuff in the 60s and 70s, and yet none of these horror stories ever have their roots in that period when usage was at its height. Apply critical thinking and read literature.

>>20915192
No I'm talking about Christ Bearer

>>20912365
>Can PCP turn a moral man immoral, or does it simply cause an immoral man to manifest himself?
No, PCP kills you.