/lit/ - Literature

>They seem more self-aware and more easily radicalized than millennials, yet most are lethargic and defeatist.
This is actually pretty spot on

>Would they take action for a sufficiently charismatic leader?
Absolutely, look at how they took to Andrew Tate, or really any of the surrogate father figure e-celebs (Jordan Peterson, Sam Hyde, John David Ebert, etc). It's clear that the zoomers are desperately looking for something to cling to and are grabbing hold of anybody they can.
Now, the zoomettes? No clue

>>20895147
Zoomers have a misplaced messiah complex. With Donald Trump having failed and turned to pure grifting, and with Putin’s Russia being consistently shown as both anti-white and incapable of posing a serious threat to the West, the hopium addicts have turned yellowed sclerae towards glorious Chairman Xi, who’ll karate-chop the gay unipolar world order.

>>20895161
>It's clear that the zoomers are desperately looking for something to cling to and are grabbing hold of anybody they can.
I’m glad other people are observing the same tendencies. I think the zoom zooms as a whole harbor a lot of latent revolutionary capacity. Whoever manages to tap into it successfully will have an enormous impact on the 21st c.

Every fiber of my being hopes you will succeed, OP. Zoomers are an untapped potential to challenge this unnatural state of things. Make it all burn!

you realize that you can only disseminate your tracts via tech?

and if you didn't, the pro-tech gang could spread far more propaganda using...tech?

I think their awareness comes from being so up close to the problems of today. Their parents still think their schools are teaching curriculums about calculus so we can fight communists but actually schools ARE teaching that outdated shit from the 50’s along with LGBTQIA+ authoritarian groupthink and any gaps are filled in with American Imperialism and all their classmates are immigrants from Mexico. Part of the problem is that they’ve only ever grown up In a culture of complete defeat and have never even seen movies, music, books etc that are even counter-cultural. They’ve been repressed by technocapital and have a hard time conceptualizing a world without their overlords. So while they’re the first line of people dealing with the financial/cultural problems of today they don’t even know how to dismantle it.

>>20895193
We live in a society. Imagine believing tools provided by tech aren’t already 100% compromised lmao.

>>20895193
>pro-tech gang could spread far more propaganda using...tech?
Yes that would be an enormous obstacle. My only hope is that anti-tech sentiment could take off as a sort of unstoppable collective psychosis. While anti-tech is a very rational position, I wouldn’t necessarily care whether or not the masses hold it for rational reasons

>>20895192
Thanks for the support, anon. I’m thinking of starting a TikTok for this purpose. I have aesthetic and personality traits that might help me, but I lack that talent for shameless self-promotion that allows people to make it big online

Gen Z seems to have the Gen X problem that spend all their time talking about doom and gloom and then sleep all day. Millenials will have to be whipping their lazy asses just to basically function on the plane of standard reality.

>>20895223
The problem is collective-anything is over. Modern people are completely alienated. I’ve already seen strains for this thought all over the United States in different forms. Self published book presses and off grid living are more popular than ever—the will is definitely there. The problem are the tools and infrastructure for any kind of cultural moment have been TOTALLY FUCKED. You can’t even have an art show without Facebook events organizing it, thousands of websites died to consolidate all information into about 5 tech companies apps that own not just all communication but all infrastructure. The viewership for FRIENDS was the last time that many eyeballs will be anywhere as everything has gone niche. That’s not an accident.

what does this crap have to do with literature?

>>20895247
>Millenials will have to be whipping their lazy asses just to basically function on the plane of standard reality.
Yes, but optimistically, that’s what could make them so prone to be weaponized against “standard reality”

>>20895274
The thread starts with >What are the best books
Can you even read a simple post midwit?

>>20895147
This post glows

>>20895274
Because I want to start a booktok page to target zoomies and I’m asking for recommendations

>>20895256
You’re probably right, desu, which is why I said that the only hope would be to spark something like a collective psychosis, beyond anyone’s control

>>20895300
>social media marketers wants recommendations for growth hacking tiktok
>but but i'll only be selling trad lifestyle products so it's different!
ok

>>20895205
Your post brings up two interesting points. First, the idea of zoomers living, essentially, in some kind of fallen, defeated world. I mean, look at the two events that bookend their generation: 9/11 on the one hand, and the absolute media shitstorm surrounding Trump's presidency on the other. I know the whole "end of history" idea is bullshit but look at it from the zoomers' perspective, from the culture they've grown up in. Second, the idea that they have not been exposed to anything counter cultural. I think this ties into the idea that it is impossible to have anything truly counter-cultural anymore because of the internet, and the zoomers were the first generation to grow up on the internet. The internet has, essentially, done two things: flattened everything and placed it on a grid, and localized everything. What I mean by "flatten" is that the internet has made everything local: there are no more true cultural hubs or centers; what I mean by "placed on a grid" is that almost everything has been made instantly accessible through the internet, as if a grid has been overlaid and coordinates assigned to almost everything culturally related.

>>20895338
Thanks for your response, I agree completely. The good news is that culture by its very nature, changes. No matter how much it’s flattened and hallowed out by modernity (right wingers call this globohomo( globalized homogenization) and left wingers call it neoliberalism) it can’t stagnate forever. It’s artificially being held back from developing, which is why every other day Anons love to post screenshots of publishers refusing to publish whites/males and the POC they DO publish actually just come from a very specific ideological class. Black female academics have completely erased black male academic points of view and theories. This is enforced among all cultural production not just publishing. Much like the French Revolution there are circles being formed outside of the institutions which is hilariously why the media shit their pants a few years ago about the “intellectual dark web” which was a ridiculous gang of faggots. How long it takes for culture to move on is anyones guess—anyone that tells you they know of an exit out of it his hellscape are selling snake oil. But we will come out, one way or another.

The Zionist "bottlenecking" of useful idiots is operating smoothly.

>>20895147
Bill Mollison and David Holmgren books

>>20895161
The zoomettes will flock to the red scare pod once they start cringing at the e-girl scene

>>20895421
>globohomo( globalized homogenization)
the homo means homosexual
FUCKING HELL

>>20897055
I was told otherwise

>>20895147
20 year old here. I've been shilling Guenon in an instagram gc for the last few months (mostly just because I find it a fun brand of shitposting) and it's actually been paying off kek, gotten a bunch of randos to start reading Crisis. You'd also be surprised how many zoomers are tedfags, met a surprising amount of Kaczynski sympathizers both online and irl on my campus

>>20895147
>>20895205
Idk I think there’s still counterculture but the problem is that it’s only online and the problem with counterculture online is that it doesn’t encourage you to do anything whatsoever. Just take pol for instance it’s just a bunch of “blackpilled” schizophrenics complaining online acting like men despite not doing anything real. Just waiting for collapse or keeping their beliefs hidden and living like a slave like everyone else. It’s honestly retarded, especially when you lack self awareness
>>20895338
Your right it’s just a sort of constant nihilism concerning the world at large. I think most people has kept their positive outlook by only focusing on their own life on the small scale and trying to make that best as possible (creating relationships disciplining yourself etc) because thankfully that’s still possible and there’s no reason to really care for the large scale because you can’t do anything about it, or at least that’s the perception.

bruh fr electricity deadass be like demonic and shit on god no cap lmao."

>>20895147
Why would you want this?

>>20895147
>>20895161

>>20895147
My manifesto. I am that leader.
>>20876337

>>20895147
The Bible

>>20895147
It depends if you want them to be brainwashed or if you want them to know things.

>>20895147
Stop LARPing and read Ellul.

>>20898322
Or, ya know, The Automatic Earth.
Ellul is a little dense and out of date. Essentially right, but we’re fifty years after the stagfaltion+labor surplus milestone of the early 1970s

It’s a bummer read too. Almost like “Capitalist Realism”. I would suggest, again, permaculture. You see what farmers are forced to do recently? The system is trying to cause a food shortage.

>>20895147
>radically traditionalist
I fucking hate tradcaths and muslim copers.

>>20895147
This is what radicalized me

>>20897560
Real hylic hours

>anti tech revolution
LOL, lmao even. You larpers never fail to crack me up. Go shit in the woods and die trying to eat poison berries.

>>20895193
No one said anything about not working within the system we're in retard. Your argument is like telling a Fascist there's a contradiction in his authoritarianism because was anti authority/state before he was in power.

>>20898558
If you were ever somehow able to take power people would simply use technology to overthrow you.

>>20898554
I will not be happy until everyone has to shit in the woods with me.

>>20898599
>someone wipes their butt with a leaf
>gets executed for using technology
>executioner gets executed for doing it with a rock (technology)

>>20897606
Write a book, nobody wants to read ten 4chan posts in a row to get your point. Put that shit in a google doc and post the link here instead of typing it out over and over

>>20897055
No it doesn't.

>>20898647
The conceptual cúcking on the right continues...

luddite and traditionalist microidentities are the ultimate proof of how paradoxically omnipotent videodrome is

>>20898615
He won't because he's too scared to get to the point and make his work neat and readable (in other words easily refutable). He'd rather pretend to be a schizo e-prophet with his little vanity project.

>>20898385
I'd be mad too if my parents named me "Smedley"

>>20897055
>the homo means homosexual
No it doesn't. It doesn't even mean that on /pol/, the slum-pit of autistic midwits you crawled out from and sincerely should return to.

>>20897055
>globohomo
>globo- (from the latin globus; a round object)
>-homo (from Ancient Greek ὁμο-; same, matching)
globohomo means testicles, matching round objects.

Just embrace Taoism. There is nothing to be said, done, understood or achieved outside of the way of the Tao.

>POL POL POL!
Meds now.
Globohomo is used to refer to global promotion of libtard politics, things like tranny flags atop government embassies... it never meant homogeneity... otherwise Chinese tourism would be among the biggest contributions to globohomo around.

>>20898715
I thought Taoism was a Luddite "nature-good-tech-bad" philosophy though?

>>20897606
Sorry, it is I

>>20898762
I mean of course, it would not be any good otherwise. Technology is a scam and a large-scale enslavement of the human race, you don't need to read Ellul to observe this fact. The Tao encompasses domains way beyond this mere state of things

>>20898781
Look up who wrote the guidelines of the Fourth Industrial Revolution lmao

>>20899027
How about you just say it.

>>20897051
>The zoomettes will flock to the red scare pod once they start cringing at the e-girl scene
No, the zoomettes will flock to me. That is why I will succeed where other trad-propagandists will fail.

Anti-tech reading only made me suicidal or at least increased my tendency towards suicidal thoughts. It's not unlike Marxist capitalism, wherein once you read the books, you start seeing the horrors of capital everywhere. Once you read enough, you start seeing the horrors of technology everywhere, and there is absolutely no escape.

Zoomers are self-radicalizing, don't focus on depth of message just focus on making an "experience" they like that also doesn't task them with too much. Remember these are people who want to read tweets about reading Nietzsche for ten years and never read Nietzsche. You need people with big personalities to influence them, don't go the PragerU route and try to get a bunch of bowtie boomers to push Reagan shit, that only worked on a generation of people willing to actually read Hayek and nostalgically watch Bill Buckley reruns. Now is the age of streamers having "debates." Five Nicholas Fuentes retards with no ideas who will eventually betray eachother and implode into scandals are superior to one extremely good thought and consistent leader, because thought leaders can always be isolated but Fuenteses can be bred in a lab and swapped out and the zoomer attention span won't even notice.

Get a bunch of manic excitable charismatic faggots and dominate them with money and patronage so they can never get cancelled (make it part of their contract that they can never mention their funding and have to just play up their teflon powers as mysterious), do it from behind the scenes to avoid any semblance of artificiality, and you can steer discourse whichever way you want

>>20899239
>Once you read enough, you start seeing the horrors of technology everywhere, and there is absolutely no escape.
That is not the fault of tech. That is the fault of the users. This is akin to blaming the gun for murders instead of the murderers. What anti-tech is asking for is to flee from power whenever it is possessed out of fear of potential evil instead of understanding how to use power responsibly.
And besides, the anti-tech stance is naive for the same reason the anarchist stance is naive. In the same way people want order and leadership, people also want power thus leading us back to technology regardless.

Like it or not, we're stuck with technology since no sane person would deliberately cast it away and make themselves weaker in the process. We just need a better philosophy for its development and use.

>>20895147
>to join an anti-tech, radically traditionalist uprising?
Literally just sit back and relax. Climate change means civilization is going to collapse by 2050. You will get your trad world. It's the rest of us who actually like civilization who are in trouble.

>>20899348
Rudolf Steiner and Nietzsche and Heidegger all make this point, that we have to integrate it a higher level and not just run away from it and that we are in the childhood of a later adulthood that will be able to handle it responsibly. But the question is how do we get to adulthood without destroying the planet in the meantime.

>>20899239
Check out How Green Were the Nazis?

>>20898723
>Globohomo is used to refer to global promotion of libtard politics
Libtard politics adopted fags and trannies recently, globohomo has been a thing before that. It was about 'spreading democracy' in the past, only recently it used trannies as a human shield.

>>20899360
I feel that what technology does is exacerbate our human flaws since these flaws are given more impact thanks to the added power we are given. So to fix our problems with technology, we have to fix ourselves.

Imo, sociopaths and mainly psychopaths are the biggest culprits of our techno problems since these kind of people thrive off exploitation, which is the biggest complaint most anti-tech people have. Unfortunately, when paired with Capitalism, these people are poised to be the most successful in our societies since they have no qualms with stepping and stabbing on the backs of others to have power over people and consequently power over technology since Capitalism itself is a massive king of the hill battle.
Maybe a new form of government could fix things.

>>20899348
It's not a matter of blame. It's a question of technology's ability to amplify power, the necessity of adopting technology for that reason, and its consequential pervasiveness Once the genie is let out of the bottle, there's no getting it back in.

>>20899360
The problem with all that is that it just may be that technology is an inherently value-eroding force so to even talk about what to do or how within that context is futile. There's a Satanism in the machine, or there isn't. It's could be a binary.

>>20895147
the absolute state of bate and tate

>>20897055
I had always thought it was a pun desu.
Everything, everywhere is homogenized into gay shit.

>>20899359
>climate change

Literally just read the book of Revelations senpai, don't go for ersatz eschatology made up by sociologists and enjoy life. Eat a steak, go for a drive, call your loved ones. Technology is good as it is, let's not let it become an impediment for our lives is all.

>>20899743
>Eat a steak, go for a drive
Imagine being able to afford beef and gas

>>20895147
Industrial Society and its Future by Theodore Kaczynski

>>20899264
Spot on, anon. One thing I have noticed that I would like to emphasize in regards to what you've said is that zoomers tend to be overly attached to text, as opposed to context. Texture is not given enough time to develop itself, via continual engagement with a particular entity. Rather, they flock from one object to another, without having developed a complete appreciation of their fancies.

>>20899612
Well if we both agree that the genie is out of the bottle, then what is you think can be done to mitigate tech's damage as we further develop it?

>>20899807
I think this is the best intro desu, especially given that zoomies don’t have much of an attention span. Eventually it would be best to transition them from mere anti-tech to full traditionalism, so they can have an idea of what a non-technological society could look and function

>>20897095
Also traditionalism is retarded, especially based on a specific time because it’s always romanticized. 1950s was degenerate (people only like it because of ads and autism) and medieval people were all fake Christians. Everyone hated the puritans for caring to much for the law everyone (seemingly) believed in.
Also traditionalism is nonsense in general because being traditional just for the sake of it being traditional is illogical and a waste of time.

Take what you think is right from it (practical, like religious law) if you want but taking all of it just because it’s traditional is silly.
Also retards will 100% miss my point here and just have an emotional reaction to what I say. Lol

>>20895161
Surprised you have no clue about girls.

>>20900114
> t. Doesn’t know what traditionalism is
How can you visit this board an not have at least a rudimentary understanding of Geunon and Evola?

Anti-tech is tight, radtrad is molten-brain tier

>>20900160
It’s very easy.
I’m criticizing what people describe as traditionalism on here (or there) anyway

>>20896211
take your meds tripchud

>>20900400
You used the 1950s as an example of a traditional society

>>20895147
some books about training, health and fitness unironically

>>20899188
I LOVE U POST MORE PLS

>>20895147
Late gen x/millenial here. Anti-Tech only works if all nations agree to de-industrialize, which is unrealistic and won't happen. All countries are concerned with power, first and foremost and do not want to appear weak to outsiders

>>20900751
Yes. This is why governments can not be trusted to make the necessary changes, even if it is clear that continuing down the current path will lead to civilizational and environmental collapse. This is why it is necessary to revolt.

>>20895193
The master's house will be undone by his own tools. This is Hegel 101.

>>20900455
So self-help books.

>>20901055
how do you revolt with no technology?

>>20901165
It is fairly easy to cause mass destruction without high technology. It’s been done many times.

>>20901185
sure, but how do you do it?
you would be outnumbered, severely outgunned, and likely susceptible to manipulation from government agencies. how could any grassroots movement overcome that especially with a stance that's so unique?

>>20895161
Yeah but that person has to be a zoomer himself. Millennials don’t have any actual interest in zoomers, only use them to their own benefit, to spread, like you yourself do, faggot, millennial magical thinking to their own benefit. Sell outs all of them. That’s why their mimed paternitas never sticks.
You lead brothers by example; your best interest is close to their self interest if not the same and is opposite to the bourgeoise values millennials still strife to capture. Accumulation of wealth, influence, recognition. The zoomer cares less about money, less about recognition or influence. It's the simple self assertion of being that zoomers want. Some way to say “I am” without a but to a person intent in hearing it, seeing another real human being, just a human being, with whom they can share this “I am”.
Zoomers trip and fall in this endeavour but they yet pursue it. This is no fad, no trend, no revolution. It’s a necessity for the human being born into a void world of technical ubiquity. You can’t go back and no one wants to go back. The circumstances are however unique to this moment and the world needs to change for the unilateral “I am” to sound at all, needs to be receptive for the “I am” to come to ear and senses.

>>20901392
Born in 1999, so I’m well-positioned as a sort of big bro zoomer
>t. OP

>>20901392
>The zoomer cares less about money, less about recognition or influence.
I’m not sure about this. Look at zoomer YouTube. Almost all of it is based around money—either giving away money, winning money through some ridiculous challenge, spending absurd amounts of money, etc. Mr. Beast is the most prominent example.

>>20895147
Maybe a key is SodaStream, that is, make them see how 99% of the tech they spend their time on is wasted or unecessary or an inferior version. Look at skills. All this tech you consume should be imbuing skill. You start to learn to cook, you learn real fast that a lot of bunk is out there.

>>20900443
What people perceive as a traditional society. I think it made it clear I don’t think it is

>>20899789
Imagine there's no heaven
It's easy if you try
No hell below us
Above us only sky
Imagine all the people
Living for today, I
Imagine there's no countries
It isn't hard to do
Nothing to kill or die for
And no religion too
Imagine all the people
Living life in peace
You may say I'm a dreamer
But I'm not the only one
I hope someday you'll join us
And the world will be as one
Imagine no possessions
I wonder if you can
No need for greed or hunger
A brotherhood of man
Imagine all the people
Sharing all the world, you
You may say I'm a dreamer
But I'm not the only one
I hope someday you'll join us
And the world will live as one

>>20895161
Yes, the great action of watching a grifter on tiktok. Revolution is immanent.

>>20895256
Correct, infrastructure is less romantic but far more important than shared literature when it comes to gaining power. The bottleneck to success of such an uprising becomes a technical and logistic problem instead of an ideological one. Not that there aren't ideological problems as well, writing a compelling founding text for your movement is going to be difficult when the zoomers know nothing but defeats and have had opportunities to really assert themselves (as others put very well). There will never be a zoomer Mein Kampf (a ridiculous phrase on its face) because there's no world war to enlist in, no political party to join that won't be instantly censored by faceless algorithms the moment it's conceived. There's no space for masculine self-assertion when everything about the environment the zoomers grew up in is pathetic, sanitized, childish, but still destructive. That lack of self-assertion, mostly due to the environment, prevents a founding text coming from the zoomers because a defeatist manifesto only about how bad things are isn't compelling or respectable. It would just come off as a sort of slave morality.

>>20895147
Being anti-tech can easily be construed, accurately or otherwise, as defeatist as well. You're acquiescing the power of technology and surrendering it to the powers that be. I fully understand the dangers of technology, but attacking it can easily fall into that rut I mentioned before of having no victories to inspire people to action.

One last point, the zoomers have a very idealistic mindset that often deals with abstractions and representations instead of their real world equivalents. Likely in part from the physical and ideal being separated from eachother due to the internet. As a result many of them fall into a mental trap where they think that ideologically defeating something, or proving its contradictions, is the same as taking power from it. Leading to many zoomers sitting on their laurels after they feel they've sufficiently BTFO technological society with facts and logic. This is a problem i'm sure every generation and political movement has had but it's especially strong with the zoomers.

>>20899893
A movement that recognizes and wants to limit the domination of technology over man would have to take power, but since it would require technology to do so it would need to harness its power without getting corrupted by it. Maintaining the same anti-tech sentiment from the start of the movement to the point that it takes power is a very tall order.

>>20900160
This isn’t a traditionalist board, chud. You’re part of a sometimes very loud minority. Also, that not how you greentext. If you identify as a millennial or a boomer just look for some krautchan like niche fag forum to post instead.

God this is the most fake and disgusting thread I‘ve seen in a while. A bunch of NPCs without connections or grasp on reality all pushing their agenda down the throat of people they ultimately dislike. Pathetic.
You should all kys and give this world a chance instead of working with this apologetic nonsense.

>>20901392
Zoomers are a dominant "Hero"/"Civic" generation in the Strauss-Howe generational model. Their childhood was marked by the 'Unraveling'-Turnings of climate change activism (e.g. An inconvenient truth in 2000), the decline of american hegemony (Rise of China, 9/11-Attacks), and the acceleration of end stage capitalism (2008 crisis, failed Obama healthcare reforms, Globalisation).
They are becoming young adults in a time of constant crisis (extreme weather events like forest fires in the Amazon, Australia, California <- climate change; Nato failure in Afghanistan <- 9/11; a global pandemic; supply chain shortages; civil unrest like the BLM and Jan 6th insurrection).
History is not cyclical, but similar circumstances affect people in similar ways. This nurture in turn shapes their ideals and by extension the way they act and the way the react to outside influences.

you need to understand that young zoomers are in large numbers looking up to people like andrew tate. whoever the equivalent grifter of your time was, you have to internalize he is not just some literally who, he is a posterchild for what is being cultivated in young men.

>>20903097
The hegemony of feminism in zoomzoom politics leaves zoomer boys purposely neglected. Those who haven't fallen for the feminism meme and many who have are alienated and attention starved, and will happily embrace the first man or ideology to unconditionally accept them. This is where the grifters and political extremism comes in.
>Feminism says my sex constitutes an original sin and that I should gtfo to make room for grills.
>JP, John Doyle, Andrew Tate, Dissident Right, whatever says boys are epic and needed more than ever
>Who do I like more?
If Hitler came back he would become incredibly popular just by acknowledging young male suffering without blaming it on young men.

>Hello, I'm a lazy faggot who can't bother to google shit or actually read books. Please spoonfeed me books so I can have an epic political movement

>>20897055
it means both you stupid midwit

>>20898723
there's an old webcomic where there's a racist old american guy who travels to other countries and has meaningful cultural experiences in each one and returns back to his home a changed man, and then there's a /pol/ edit where the guy is just walking through crowds of brown masses in every country and returns home and feels fully justified in his racism. I feel like that illustrates the concept pretty well.

>>20902429

>>20904760
You're talking about this one, yeah?

>>20895147
The only thing you're gonna radicalize with such blatantly memified language is a new algorithm.
Here's a very short essay on why you should mind your own business:
https://files.catbox.moe/9vhi8r.pdf

>>20895247
That just means zoomers have nothing to lose besides their comfort. Take away the comfort (which is already happening with economy getting nuked to shits) and you have clean sheet to indoctrinate.

>>20899743
>book of Revelations
A terribly written jewish book that snaked its way into the Bible? No one should read that drivel.

>>20902814
>There will never be a zoomer Mein Kampf (a ridiculous phrase on its face) because there's no world war to enlist in, no political party to join that won't be instantly censored by faceless algorithms the moment it's conceived. There's no space for masculine self-assertion when everything about the environment the zoomers grew up in is pathetic, sanitized, childish, but still destructive. That lack of self-assertion, mostly due to the environment, prevents a founding text coming from the zoomers because a defeatist manifesto only about how bad things are isn't compelling or respectable. It would just come off as a sort of slave morality.
shit's fucked innit